This Guy Healed Knee Arthritis *Without* Surgery (& Chest-Pressed 555lbs For 14 Reps) – Cellular Hydration Secrets With John Jubilee

Ben Greenfield

My name is Ben Greenfield, and on this episode of the Boundless Life podcast,

John Jubilee

I learned at a young age you can't buy your health. So I began this health journey when I was about 27 years old. For 10 years, I tried everything, and I was 20 pounds dehydrated. Now the dilemma became: How do you actually get that hydration inside the cells, and so I basically created a protocol for myself to follow steady, healthy habits that we teach in this protocol, and I just live it as an example.

Ben Greenfield

Welcome to the Boundless Life with me, your host Ben Greenfield. I'm a personal trainer, exercise physiologist, and nutritionist, and I'm passionate about helping you discover unparalleled levels of health, fitness, longevity, and beyond. My podcast guest today is kind of a crazy guy, John Jubilee. He has a chest press world record of 555 pounds for 14 reps. He had bone on bone in his knees and figured out how to basically regrow his cartilage using the tactics that we talk about on today's show. And he is kind of an expert on what he calls intracellular hydration. This one's interesting. All the show notes are going to be at bengreenfieldlife.com/jubilee. Let's go talk with John. John, you actually I think were introduced to me by a guy whose podcast I've done a couple of times down in Vegas. His name's Sean Kelly, and he's like, dude, you got to check out this guy John. He's got a great story and some really, really interesting and novel thoughts, particularly around the concept of cellular hydration. I'm like, okay, great. You know, there's going to be another guy talking about drinking water and electrolytes, and I kind of stalked you a little bit and listened to some other interviews that you've done and checked out your website. You have a pretty unique approach, man. So I'm stoked to get into

John Jubilee

it. Yeah, Well, it was game changer for me, that's for sure. But more importantly, you know, at this point in time, you know, I think we're you know we're in the 10s of 1000s, 5060, 70,000, you know, you know people's lives that we've been able to impact with this breakthrough science. And interestingly, yeah, every everybody is drinking more water, right? They're doing they're doing that, you know. And as a scientist, I always ask people a question: How's that working for you? That's not really working for people. You know, they can drink all the water they want, but you know, I like to keep things simple for people, Ben. And and I say, you know, look at your look at your cells. You know, your cells basically are as hard as a glass marble. You know, once you get past about 35 years old, oxidative stress and just the cellular transformation that happens in a cell, it's it gets hard like a glass marble. And so all that water is really just bouncing off. Those supplements are bouncing off. I call that expensive pee. It's like it's like just not getting in there.

Ben Greenfield

All right, get into that a little bit for me. Like the link between age and this glass marble effect that you describe. Like I don't know if you mean that like literally if you could enlarge a cell and like tap it with a hammer, if it literally be like harder, or if you're just using like like a metaphor, but I'd love to hear your description of like this link between age and cellular hydration and this this so-called glass marble effect.

John Jubilee

Yeah, Well, and really, you know, unfortunately, because of all the you know the seed oils and you know the 510, 2030, ingredients they put in every type of food now. You know all of those are also like hardeners to a cell. You know a cell has two membranes around it, and so it's already tough enough because it's being protected by two membranes. But then when you start putting all of these, you know artificial ingredients, you know, and man-made things in there. They basically, you know, it's it's no different than when they put a hardener in paint. You know, they put a hardener, you know, in you know glue. All these things. It's basically the same thing is happening to our cells. And so, yes, they really are. You know, it's just like a marble. You know, so your supplements hit it, your water hits it. It just bouncing, it's bouncing off of that thing.

Ben Greenfield

So, so you mean like like kind of the concept that something like a rancid, let's say heavily fried oil, might be the actual fatty acid that is used to comprise something like the cell membrane, and in that case, you have either a dysfunctional or a porous cell membrane that doesn't function properly in terms of like nutrients and minerals going in and out of the cell.

John Jubilee

Well, exactly right. The number one thing a human. Body's designed to do is survive, and so all of those cells, you know, are like danger, danger. Red lights are going off, you know, as all these artificial ingredients are coming. You know, they're saying, "Hey, let's not let that stuff in. And as that happens, and again, that the age is decreasing. You know, you got young kids now. You know, think about it. In my generation, there wasn't there wasn't anybody that had diabetes. You know, as a kid, and now it's it's an epidemic.

Ben Greenfield

Diabetes, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, obesity,

John Jubilee

obesity. Yep. Hey, nobody was fat. Nobody was fat when I was in. You know, there there was always one fat kid in the whole school. You know, there was one back kid in the whole school, and so all of those are new things, really, to this generation. And by the way, that's part of what you know, Sean Kelly, you know, brought up. You know, he's a he's a younger guy, of course, and you know, and I asked him, what's the what's the biggest challenges of your generation? And I was shocked when he said that about one in three are on an antidepressant or anti-anxiety medication already, and they have low testosterone levels. They have no sex drive, and of course, all of that-the root cause of all of those issues-and 99% of issues is cellular dehydration. It's the dehydration. So everyone's heard of inflammation, right? They've all heard of inflammation, and they know inflammation is a problem. But do you know that inflammation cannot exist where there is cellular hydration? They cannot coexist. Like you walk into a dark room and turn the light on, darkness is gone. You put cellular hydration in a body, inflammation is gone. And if I can just give people a word picture here, because again, I love to make things simple for people. Think about the word inflammation in flames in flames. So basically, inflammation is like it's like a wild forest fire. You know, California, we have a lot of fires out here. It's like a wild California forest fire. That's what inflammation is. And when all those flames are going on in your body, and they're not supposed to be there, the body goes into survival mode, and it takes what little hydration you do have in your cells, like the fire department. You know, in the old days, they just you know get the bucket line going. It takes the buckets of water out of your cells to try to fight the inflammation, but of course, it's not doing anything. Those little buckets of water on a forest fire, and that's, but that's how the body gets dehydrated at the cellular level. Once we have inflammation, the body automatically is going to go into cellular dehydration.

Ben Greenfield

Yeah, that kind of makes sense, especially when you look at the link between like inflammation and say free radical production, because you know if if you look at water, it's not necessarily like there's a fire in your cells, and the water is literally dosing the fire. But water gets split into well, like hydrogen. So like two water molecules would get split into four hydrogens, a couple oxygens, and four electrons. And then those electrons can be used as a sort of electron acceptor or as a way to fuel the electron transport chain a way that might upregulate energy and fight inflammation. So it makes sense what you're saying, but I think the issue, from what I understand, as far as like your core model is that the water is not getting into the cells, or the cells are improperly hydrated, and I want to hear a little bit more about like how you'd fix that. But I actually want to rewind first. I'm very curious, like what actually got you into this? Like, what was the light bulb moment when it comes to the idea of cellular hydration being the root cause of a lot of the stuff you talk about?

John Jubilee

No, that's a that's a great question, and really, Ben, where this came from is my own personal pain and my own personal health journey. So I was a very successful banker. I had over 100 bank branches when I was 30 years old, and was very financially successful. And however, I learned at a young age you can't buy your health, and so I played a lot of sports when I was younger, you know, football, basketball, and played a lot of street ball also, and I had no cartilage left in my knees.

Ben Greenfield

Asphalt's pretty unforgiving, man.

John Jubilee

Right, it's brutally unforgiving, and so I had no cartilage left in my knees. So I began this health journey when I was about 27 years old, you know, to try to do the right thing. So I drank a gallon of water a day, like they say to do. I drank the gallon of water, you know. I did the low carb, no carb, you know, all those things. Today they call it the keto diet. Back then they call it the Atkins diet. I tried all that stuff for 10 years. I tried everything, and after that, 10 years, and I was spending $1,000 a month on supplements. So I was taking my supplements, you know, doing my hour of cardio a day, lifting weights, drinking a gallon of water, and still I had high blood pressure. I had hypertension. You know, I my waist was about 10 inches too big, you know. Thankfully, I wore suits every day, so it hit pretty good. But the worst thing, Ben, was that bone on bone. You know, that's painful every step of your life. And by the

Ben Greenfield

way, just interrupt real quick. Trust me, I know because I've had bone on bone in both of my knees in the past, I've addressed it in some ways that are, I think, maybe different than your protocol. Specifically, I kind of went the stem cell route, but, but yeah, like to anybody who hasn't experienced like what it feels like to not actually have the cartilage there, it literally feels like you have like a little cut inside you, but it's not a cut you can put a bandaid on.

John Jubilee

Yep, right, every step, step of pain, and so in that pain, you know, I got frustrated, and I said, "Hey, I'm going to go do my own research here. And I'm not a smart guy, Ben, but I'm a gifted guy. You know, I was born with a photographic memory. I tested out of 12 years of college math in 45 minutes. I just have a unique processor, and so I took those God given gifts to research science, anatomy, biology, and I started finding all this, you know, medical research that's been done. But nobody ever really connected these dots quite in this way because, you know, I'm a bottom line kind of guy, and I just skip to the bottom. And so I went to the bottom line and said, "Well, wait a minute. We're basically like a big bag of water and cells, and it makes sense to me that if my cells are healthy, everything's going to be healthy. And how do you make a cell healthy? Oh, well, you have to hydrate it. Now, this a really interesting part. So I call all my doctors, and I said, "Hey, how hydrated am I? And I got the same answer from every one of them. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Doctors don't measure hydration. It's the most important health marker in the human body. It's more important than our A1C, than triglycerides, than cholesterol. It's our most important health marker. And I thought, well, this crazy. Well, I'm going to measure it, so I start going online. This 1997, by the way. It cost $11,000 in 1997 to buy a device to measure my cellular hydration.

Ben Greenfield

Okay, and I'm I'm assuming like you're talking about something more advanced than like a urinalysis stick that shows you like specific gravity and pH and like the color of your urine. You you must be alluding to something more advanced than that.

John Jubilee

Yeah, the key is you know. And by the way, even today, the device that measures the best for intracellular and extracellular hydration, which as you know are two different measurements. That device is $31,000.

Ben Greenfield

Real quick, are you talking about? You say the device, because I think the only device I've seen that might be what you're talking about is I've been in a medical clinic before where they have an in-body analysis that measures phase angle and cellular hydration. So, so you're talking about something like that?

John Jubilee

Yeah. So that technology in 1997, the closest thing they had to it was $11,000. I measured my cellular hydration, and now remember, I'm drinking a gallon of water a day for 10 years, and I was 20 pounds dehydrated. 20. A gallon of water weighs 8.3 pounds, so I was more than two gallons low of what I should have been in my cells. So even though that was, you know, very frustrating, of thinking, "Are you kidding me? I'm drinking a gallon of water a day, and I am 20 pounds low on hydration. Then if I'm dehydrated, everybody has to be dehydrated, and I was taking all my supplements, $1,000 a month in supplements. But the good news was, at least I was onto something, and I recognized, okay, you know, this it. You know, now, now the dilemma became: how do you actually get that hydration inside the cells? And so I basically created a protocol for myself to follow that would be transformative to those cellular membranes to basically convert those from being hard as glass marble to porous like a sponge, and lo and behold, it worked. So I gained 20 pounds of intracellular hydration. I also I also gained 15 to 20 pounds of lean muscle. By the way, during this, you know, I went through this for about one year. By the way, a little less than a year, about 10 months. So 10 months I'm doing this protocol, and now by the way, Ben, it's gotten. You know, I have an 88-day protocol that I put people on. You know, because that's one of the cellular cycles of a human body is 88 days, and so I tell people, look, just do this, follow this for 88 days, and here's what's going to happen to you. You're going to gain your inner cellular hydration. You're going to gain lean muscle. Of course, you know muscle 75% water. So, so you are naturally going to gain your lean muscle when you're gaining your intracellular hydration. You're going to lose visceral and subcutaneous fat if you have fat to lose. You know, about 75% of our clients they want to lose fat. 25% are elite. You know, they're like you. They're great athletes. They're muscular, but they'll also increase their strength 50% in 88 days by just doing this protocol. Because when you like you were breaking it down, it's a power of a hydrogen bomb inside your muscle when you push more intracellular hydration in there. So you can't help but get stronger. And the fourth promise is they will improve and or reverse any stated health or medical condition that they have, and the reason I can guarantee those four things, Ben, is the first 11 years, 11 years when I was helping people, I stayed in banking, by the way, but I would I would spend you know eight hours a day helping people with their health, just as a noble cause. This was my pure passion.

Ben Greenfield

God, when did you sleep between banking and eight hours a day?

John Jubilee

You know what? Now I only had to spend a couple hours a day. I had a big team, so I spent about two hours a day in banking. I spent eight hours a day helping people for 11 years, but in 11 years, this these were the results. Every person reversed whatever their health condition was: autoimmune disorders, spinal stenosis, rheumatoid arthritis, bone on bone in their knee, their hip, their shoulder, Lyme's disease, Crohn's disease. You name it, it reversed. And the other thing was, though, everyone hit these markers because I was measuring everybody. Everybody gained their cellular hydration, they gained lean muscle, and by the way, the average person just in 88 days lost 40 pounds of fat without losing one drop of water or one ounce of muscle.

Ben Greenfield

I have a lot of questions. So, so 88 days. You said that's something like a cellular. Did you say like a cellular turnover cycle or something along those lines?

John Jubilee

Well, as you know, you know there's multiple cellular cycles in the body. Some of them are seven-year cycles, but 88 days is one cellular cycle, and that's the one I focus on.

Ben Greenfield

And what do you mean when you say cellular cycle?

John Jubilee

That's a cycle that it takes for cells to transform from being marbles to sponges.

Ben Greenfield

I got you. So you're not necessarily talking about like the formation of new cells as much as a change in the cell membrane.

John Jubilee

Correct.

Ben Greenfield

Okay, got it. All right. So obviously, I would imagine there's kind of like a strategy here, and kind of like I mentioned in the introduction, I thought maybe when I listened to a few interviews with you that you were just like kind of like a minerals electrolytes type of guy, and and you'd probably agree with me that minerals and electrolytes are important, but what are you doing beyond just like that basic strategy that a lot of people will recommend when it comes to cellular hydration.

John Jubilee

Yeah. Well, again, I listen. I am for all of those things, but my experience is, you know, nobody is going to gain their intracellular hydration no matter what minerals, what electrolytes, what supplements you know that they're taking. So again, now now my experiences with 10s of 1000s of documented you know cases, and we are fully medically approved. By the way, you know HSA, FSA, care credit, you know all of that.

Ben Greenfield

By the way, when you say we, your company is called Energize Health, right?

John Jubilee

Correct. And and we have hundreds of doctors that have been through our protocol, more than 1000 nurses, and they say they say you guys crack the code. You guys crack the code. They said, you know what? We went to med school for 12 years. They taught us to treat a symptom, but you guys are going to the root cause. You know, this mind-boggling. I wish I would have learned this in med school. There's a doctor on the front of my website. Dr. Brian Taylor had irreversible kidney disease. Six doctors told him he can only manage it and just try to slow it down. And this guy heard me speak in Las Vegas, Nevada. Came up to me and he said, "You know, I'm, I'm really disturbed hearing you make these these bold claims. And I said, "Well, Doctor Taylor, I'm not making any claim. I'm only sharing empirical evidence of real clients and real results. I make no claims whatsoever. He said, "Well, you probably tell me you could reverse my." Irreversible kidney failure, and I said, "Well, Doctor Taylor, we're standing in Las Vegas. I'll tell you what, I'll bet you a million dollars we can reverse it. He said, "Well, he said I'm not going to bet you a million dollars, but I am going to do your program. He said, "But he goes, but I really believe you're going to have to refund my money. He said because I just can't believe six doctors can be wrong, and whatever your 88-day protocol is, you really think this can reverse it? Well, he's on the front of my website, and his words, not mine, he said, I cannot explain medically how this reversed, but it absolutely reversed.

Ben Greenfield

You're telling people to do more than just drink more water. I realize, like, you have a program, you sell access to it. You don't have to like give away all the secrets here, but I would love to hear at least a few of the strategies, like what you can share as far as what you do.

John Jubilee

Absolutely, and it really is. It's you know, it's 12 specific things in a sequence with an interval that we basically become the health GPS. Turn right, turn left, go straight. We give people very specific steps. And look, the first three steps. I hope everyone's already doing these three steps. But the first eight steps. The first eight steps that we share, someone like you, you're probably already doing the eight steps.

Ben Greenfield

Maybe so.

John Jubilee

So what we call our elite, our elite people do it for the last four steps. So I have NBA NBA players. I have professional football players, professional baseball players. I have bodybuilders, and I'm talking, you know, top world champion weightlifters. Those guys do it because they want to optimize, you know, their best, and everyone's going to be optimized, you know, through cellular health. But the first three steps for everyone is water walk nutrition. You know, you're not going to get hydrated by drinking water, but you can't get hydrated without it. You know, so you at least have to develop a healthy habit of drinking your water, so that down the road, when you're on step seven through 12, and that cell starts transforming like a sponge, now that hydration can get in, and not only does hydration get in, Ben, but it pushes out all the inflammation and all the toxins out of the body.

Ben Greenfield

And and by the way, John, do you nerd out on like, you know, like alkaline water or structured water or reverse osmosis? Like like, do you wind up making a specific recommendation on the type of water?

John Jubilee

Absolutely not.

Ben Greenfield

Okay,

John Jubilee

absolutely not. And you'll get a kick out of this. I was invited to the United Nations, to the Special Chamber of the United Nations for a science and wealth summit. I sat beside Dr. Piracone and Steve Forbes. You know, Steve Forbes was there to talk about wealth, and I'm there to talk about science. And when Dr. Piracone heard me share, he wanted to partner with me on his hydrogen water company. He said, "Oh my gosh, no one in the world knows the science that you're talking about. He said, "We need to partner. He said, "I've already put $10 million into this hydrogen water, and I'll partner with you. And I just smiled at him and put my hand on his shoulder and said, "Doctor Piracone, there's nothing magical about your water. You know, your water is not going to penetrate a cell any better than tap water. It's not the water; it's the cell. And I'll share one other quick story just to validate the science. I had the top guys in the world of the Kangen water machine come to my house for three hours and go through their whole thing. And when they got done, Ben, I said, "Hey, would you guys mind if I measured your hydration?

Ben Greenfield

The ultimate test.

John Jubilee

They said, "Well, well, yeah, you could measure our hydration. I said, "Okay, well, how long you been drinking this reverse osmosis ionized water? They said 10 years. I said, "How much do you drink? Two gallons a day. I said, "Wow, that's impressive. I measured their hydration. They were 12 and 15 pounds low on their hydration. When

Ben Greenfield

you say you measured their hydration, were you doing like a phase angle measurement?

John Jubilee

Yeah. So the device that I have that I give to all my clients, is within 1% accuracy of the in body. So it's not 100, but it's 99. It's close enough. It's close enough to get a good measurement.

Ben Greenfield

Are you able to share which device you use?

John Jubilee

Yes. So it's a very specific Renfo. Now, now I'll just share with the audience here. I ordered devices from all over the world, and I compared them all to the $30,000 in body device. And fascinatingly, it was alarming that there were devices Ben that were off by 20 to 30% I'm talking devices that cost $300. And they were ridiculously, you know, far off. But there is there is a Renfo device, you know, and I'll be happy to, you know, that we'll we share it with everybody. By the way, we FedEx all of our clients. You know, one of them.

Ben Greenfield

Did you say Renfo, like R E N F O?

John Jubilee

R E N P H O. I'll I'll

Ben Greenfield

put a link in the show notes. By the way, people listening, the show notes are at bengreenfieldlife.com/jubilee, John's last name, but I'll I'll include that info. So use the Renfo on these guys. You did the phase angle measurement, and they were like multiple gallons off. Yeah,

John Jubilee

no, they're they're all completely dehydrated at two gallons a day of reverse osmosis ionized water, and then of course I got on there and showed them. You know, I'm 20 pounds more hydrated, and I drink way less water. You know, once you get hydrated, you know, you don't even have to drink a gallon a day to stay hydrated. It's like filling up a glass. Once you fill up your glass and your cells are hydrated, you don't have to drink, you know, crazy water like that, you can drink a reasonable amount and stay completely hydrated. I'm 62, by the way. 60 is perfect for a man. 55 is perfect for a woman, but there is no magic water. And and Ben, I'm I'm going to share it because it's just real science. So I heard all these people saying how horrible tap water is, and I thought, you know, I'm completely hydrated. I'm super healthy. My immune system is super boosted and optimized because of this cellular health. I haven't been sick for 29 years, and I thought I'm going to try drinking tap water and see if it does anything to me. So I drank tap water for one year, for two years, for three years, it smells bad, it tastes bad. I drank it for three years, and guess what? I never got sick one day, and I stayed completely hydrated.

Ben Greenfield

And part of that, by the way, might depend on your municipality. Like, it kind of goes both ways. A lot of fancy bottled water is just tap water, and like for example, I lived in Spokane, Washington, for a while. I'm in a well now, but like that was a city that actually didn't fluoridate their water and had decent tap water measurement. I think there are like levels of cleanliness in tap water. Like from what I understand, for example, like Los Angeles is supposed to be not that great. I don't know what you were drinking, but basically, it sounds to me like you're saying, like just drinking fancy filtered structured water, whatever, is not the number one key to cellular hydration.

John Jubilee

And that's all. That's all I'm saying to people. Don't get hung up on the water. Focus on the cell. Focus on the cell. So, so your water, and look, just like right now, you know, you're you're you're taking a walk, which I love. That

Ben Greenfield

I walk for almost all my podcasts right now.

John Jubilee

I love it. I love it. So people need to get their self in motion. You know, there's a scientific principle that an object in motion tends to stay in motion. And so think about it. People get older. What do they do? They stop moving as much as they used to move, so it is key to get yourself moving. And so, I recommend first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, get up, get up, and get moving. And I will share one of our little secrets, you know, here here with people. So, so lean in, guys. This a secret. So, when you're out there on your walk, get up on the balls of your feet for a minute. Get up on the balls of your feet for a minute, and then walk for five minutes, and then get up on the balls of your feet for another minute, and then walk for five minutes, and get up on the balls of your feet. Your calf muscles are your second and third heart, and it total it dynamically enhances the circulation. Dynamically enhances it because now you're getting that full circulation that you're supposed to have, and you're getting you know 10 times better the blood flow just by getting up on the balls of your feet.

Ben Greenfield

Yeah, and and you're you're spot on. There was even a study a couple years ago that found that seated calf raises, literally like activating the soleus muscle, even if you're on an airplane, reduce blood sugar. Like just that mild pumping of the calves. I'm gonna one up you though, John. I went on a walk this morning. I try and finish the last five minutes of any walk that I go on walking backwards. It's kind of like an old like knee protection, proprioceptive awareness, like tibialis training technique. So I'm not only on the walk on the balls of your feet bandwagon, but also walk backwards sometimes.

John Jubilee

Well, see, that's why Ben, you would be in our elite program because

Ben Greenfield

I can walk backwards.

John Jubilee

We teach those principles in the elite program,

Ben Greenfield

okay, cool people,

John Jubilee

but we're trying to reach the masses first, right? We want to reach the masses that we, you know, look. 70% of Americans are 30 pounds or more overweight. We have the highest drug use. America uses 75% of the world's pharmaceutical drugs. We are the. Crazy, craziest pill popping nation on the planet, and so we're trying to help people, and we've helped 10s of 1000s get off all their medication, lose all their fat, you know, have their best health, and again, that that's what the masses need. So the guys, the water, get your walk in, getting up on the balls of your feet, and then on your nutrition, I say keep it simple out of the gate. And by simple, just cut out two things. Just two things. Just cut out your sugar. Cut out your white flour. When white flour touches human saliva, turns into pure table sugar, and that's going to turn off your fat burning switch and do some other really negative things. But if you'll just start with the basic, just okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna eat food I love, but I'm just gonna cut out sugar and white flour. Those are three keys that every person can do today. You can implement those three things today.

Ben Greenfield

And and of course, I don't I don't want you to give away all the secrets because I know you make a living by teaching this stuff to people on your website, but I have on good authority. I think as I heard you talking about on a podcast, and we briefly emailed about it, that you're a fan of MSM, which is like a sulfur-based compound. I actually even like started putting a little like like a quarter of a teaspoon into my glass of water in the morning. That that's kind of like a part of your program, yeah. It is,

John Jubilee

but I want to encourage people this before you spend money on MSM. Open up your cell so you can get the efficacy, the benefit of the MSM. And the reason I am an absolute 30-year advocate of MSM, and again, I'm going to tell people though, you know, before you, you know, before a million people go out and buy it, it's not going to help you if you don't open up your cell like sponge. But when you're doing that, let me tell you something: the water you're drinking every day, Ben. You said you have a well, right? Yep. All well water on the planet Earth is preloaded with MSM. Every stream, every natural water supply on the planet Earth. When God made water, He did not make H 2o. Water is not H 2o. Not God water. God water is H 2o M S M. There is no natural water on the planet Earth that does not have methyl sulfonate methane in it, and I say, if God put that in His recipe, we should not be taking it out. But every municipality in the world takes MSM out of the water because it is sulfur base, so it has a bitter taste to it and it has a smell to it, and people don't want that in their water. I

Ben Greenfield

think I think it's in some like if I go to my wife's parents' house and take a shower there, you can smell the sulfur. I don't know if some municipalities differ in terms of the methyl sulfonyl methane that they do or don't take out of the water, but do you think it's a pretty good sign? Like if you smell the water and it's sulfurous. That what you're smelling is MSM. It is

John Jubilee

if it's natural water. I guarantee you, every municipality is taking it out. Yeah, they're they're taking it out for sure, and maybe for other reasons, not just because it smells and tastes bad, but they're taking it out because it's super healthy for us. I mean, think about it. If if God made water that way, that means since we were babies, we're supposed to be drinking MSM every day of our life. We're supposed to be bathing in it, absorbing it through our skin. It is an incredible anti-inflammatory, and I do recommend it to everybody. Everybody should be on MSM, and everyone should get healthy cells that will absorb MSM. And and Ben, can people just hear us, or can they see us?

Ben Greenfield

They can see us.

John Jubilee

Okay. So look, guys, if if you could see me, you know, look, I'm an all natural guy. I'm no testosterone. I'm no peptides. I'm no HGH. I don't have any fillers, you know, in my face.

Ben Greenfield

You don't have any gray hair.

John Jubilee

I don't have gray hair.

Ben Greenfield

Wait, as a as a as a part of this spiel, John, tell people how old you are.

John Jubilee

6565, years old.

Ben Greenfield

I'm not blowing smoke. You look like you're 40.

John Jubilee

Well, thank you. And guess look, and that happens to me everywhere I go. I get carded. People people say, "No blanket way. Let me see your driver's license. And I and I love to show them to say, "Hey, guess what, guys? Don't be a hater because I'm a grape, not a raisin. You know, Ben, what's the difference between a grape and a raisin? It's hydration. It's hydration, and that's what I tell people. They're like, "Man, I can't believe your skin. I go, "Dude, I'm just a I'm just a grape. That's all. I got some hydration in there. And think about when you see little old people. Why do they become little old people? Do you guys know people shrink? People literally shrink 2345, inches. They shrink. Why? Because they're shriveling up like a raisin, because they lost their hydration. Ben, do you know I have clients that grow? I have clients that grow.

Ben Greenfield

Do you think that's because of like osteoblastic actual bone growth activity, or do you think it's like they're kind of like plumping up? You know, in terms of like you know, you mentioned the muscle containing 75% water, basically almost like expansion of the muscles, and therefore expansion of the of the skin, and so almost like a slight, yeah, like raising the grape effect.

John Jubilee

I'm not plump. I'm plumping them up in a healthy way. I don't want people thinking that as fat, right? They're losing their fat, but their spine that shriveled up and decompressed, the inflammation is gone, and they stretch back out, and that's where they're growing. It's because their spine got compressed. Because

Ben Greenfield

there could be an effect on disc hydration, right?

John Jubilee

That's exactly right. So people don't realize how much hydration, how how powerful it is in the disc. That's why people with 2030-year, neck and back pain reverse it on this protocol because they get their healthy disc hydration in there, and it decompresses the spine, and those nerve endings are released, and the pain is gone.

Ben Greenfield

That's often a much better strategy than back surgery. So, so you're 65. I got to ask you this, because you also look like you're you're somewhat jaxed. Do you lift weights?

John Jubilee

I lift weights twice a week for about 30 minutes. I lift weights twice a week for about 30 minutes. And again, I really I'm not a weightlifter, Ben. I'm not a weightlifter, but I but I am a believer in resistance training because, as you know, just recently in the last couple years, every study on longevity says longevity is tied to pretty much one thing: strength. The stronger you are, the longer and better, higher quality of life that you're going to live. And so, you know, again, I'm I'm not a weightlifter. You know, 3030 minutes, four days a week. You know that I'm doing you know chest and back and bicep and tricep. But I will say something interesting. I read a scripture in the Bible, Deuteronomy 3325, in 1997, and it said, "As your years are, so shall your strength be. And I thought, well, that's interesting. Looks like we're supposed to get stronger as we get older, and so I kind of just set a little goal for myself to gain one pound on my bench press. I thought I'm going to try to gain one pound a month.

Ben Greenfield

One pound a month. This like the old Greek mythological tale of the guy who lifts the calf every day, right?

John Jubilee

Yeah, but this really happened. One

Ben Greenfield

pound a month isn't very much. Like, when did you start doing that?

John Jubilee

No, in 1997. So I could bench press 200 pounds twice.

Ben Greenfield

Okay,

John Jubilee

and I just said, "Hey, I'm just going to try to increase a pound a month. Like that's so easy, right? It's such a small amount of weight, but it's that was 1997, man. That was 29, 29 years ago. And interestingly, you know, I've done it. You know, I've I've done it. Now, once I got once I got over about 350 pounds on my bench press, you know, I did go to a hammer strength because you know most people don't realize because they don't have those problem. But do you know the bar buckles? You know, it gets a wobble to it once you get over about 350 pounds, and you could tweak your shoulder. So once I got over about 350, then I started going to the hammer strength, you know, for my my heavier, because it still is a free weight machine, by the way.

Ben Greenfield

Oh yeah, totally. Hammer hammer strengths are great. Yeah, I consider that to be functional training. So, what'd you get up to on bench press?

John Jubilee

555, 14 reps.

Ben Greenfield

No, 14 reps.

John Jubilee

14 reps.

Ben Greenfield

555 is a freaking one RM for most people. You you 14 reps.

John Jubilee

I did 14 reps, and Gold Gold Jim said it was a world record. I got a certified world record.

Ben Greenfield

Holy moly! How old were you when you did that?

John Jubilee

63.

Ben Greenfield

No way! Wow! I don't know if that's a testament to your program or your genetics or maybe both, but that's pretty impressive.

John Jubilee

Definitely not my genetics because again, I mean, I I've never looked this good in my whole life, not even in my 20s, and never been this strong. I totally attribute it 100% to cellular hydration and just those steady, healthy habits that we teach in this protocol. And I just live it as an example. Did you ever have bone on bone? Oh, 100% Both of my knees, man. If I walked into your house, you could hear me walking in. You know, snap, crackle, pop. Snap, crackle, pop. You know, my my bankers affectionately called me mr. Rice Krispies because when I walked into a board meeting, I'd be snap, crackling, and popping.

Ben Greenfield

Yeah, it's called it's called called crepitus in sports medicine. How is it now?

John Jubilee

Smooth as silk. I can, I for fun go to a football stadium and I run to the top and I run to the bottom. You know, I run across the bleachers for one hour, up and down for an hour. Smooth as silk, like a high school kid.

Ben Greenfield

Wow, you know, I haven't done a phase angle measurement in a while. The last in body that I did, I was pretty decent. I had bone on bone. It was worse in my left knee. I did get a stem cell infusion in that left knee. I rucked with 60 pounds straight uphill and then straight back downhill this morning, and I've been doing that three times a week: tennis twice a week, pickleball twice a week, and technically, the last doctor who looked at both my knee MRI said I had full blown arthritis in both knees. Now, I don't know how much of your program I'm like accidentally doing. Some of the things you've mentioned, I definitely do. You talked about walking, nutrition, water. I have the well water, and my other house was well as well. So I guess I was getting MSM before I was even adding it to the water. But in terms of your own program, you know, like benching what you bench and doing what you do, and having the silky smooth knees. Are there any other like insider tips or secrets that you can share with people?

John Jubilee

Yeah, I'll I'll love to share one people don't think about, which is cellular trauma. So you know people don't stop and think about you know the fact that you know we are a triune being. You know we are a spirit. We have a soul. We live in a body, and all three have to be healthy to truly have real health. Real health. So we've all heard of you know health experts. They drop dead at 70 years old, just like everybody else. You know, Well, why? They were eating perfect diets. They're training perfectly. How do they drop dead at 70 years old? Well, because they never dealt with their cellular trauma. So, people, if if your parents have had a there's a study called the ACE study, and you could go online. It's just ACE, and you could take this test. It'll take one minute, but you go through this test, Ben. Of you know, did you have alcoholic in your family, or your parents get a divorce, or there's some kind of abuse there. You know, just a list of 10 things, and then you give yourself the score for your life. But then it's one thing to get the score; it's another thing to deal with that cellular trauma. So my wife and I both had, you know, horrific cellular trauma, you know, from and most of it comes from our childhood, by the way. But then we just grow up and we just kind of stuff it in the closet. We don't deal with it. So you know, both of my brothers, I had two brothers. Both of my brothers were murdered. You know, I was in 20 life and death circumstances when I was growing up. I grew up hard, you know, in some very traumatic situations, and then of course, when someone murders your brother, you want to kill that person, you know. So now you have this bitterness, this anger, this hatred, resentment, you know, that you lost your brothers. So I had to personally deal with that kind of trauma. My wife was sexually abused for seven years of her her life, from like five to 13 years old, and so she had all of this horrific cellular trauma. But because we have dealt with that ourselves in our own life, we help our clients to hey, we say, look, this not about just you know, drinking some water and doing some exercise and doing a diet. No, we got to go deep. What's really in there? If you want to really be healthy, you've got to have a healthy mind and a healthy spirit. And you're only going to have a healthy mind and spirit if you deal with the cellular trauma of your life.

Ben Greenfield

Is part of that for you tied to any type of religious practice or or spiritual practice?

John Jubilee

Well, for me personally, it is. For me personally, it is. Now we don't we don't make it a mandatory part of them, you know, doing necessarily what we did. You know, I personally had an encounter with Jesus Christ. You know, when I was 11 years old, and I did not grow up in a church family at all. My family was not religious and didn't go to church. We didn't have a Bible in our house, and but I had a supernatural encounter at 11 years old, and I really believe that's what caused me to make different decisions. You know, I never drank alcohol or did a drug, or you know, I didn't make the same choices my brothers, you know, made. But I love my brothers. I have empathy for them because we grew up so hard; they were just trying to mask their pain, you know, that they had. But yes, for me personally, I would 100% say my faith and my relationship with Jesus. Jesus Christ was a big part of me dealing with my cellular trauma, being able to release and forgive, and get that out of myself at the cellular level.

Ben Greenfield

Yeah, I think that's the power of. I'm a Christian. I think that's the power of Christianity. Is you, you, you can basically lay all your guilt and shame and fear and regrets at the feet of Jesus Christ, and as long as you believe that He was a deity and He became a human and He died for your sins, it's literally that simple. A lot of people think there's all these hoops you have to jump through. It's like no, you actually just pray and believe, and that's it. Obviously, the difficult part about that is it takes faith and it feels a little bit woo woo and magical, but that's what faith is. So that's super cool that you've that you've kind of locked that in as something that's helped you with the cellular trauma. The program, like the Energize Health program, you said 88 days, so it's kind of like the journey for people is they they join on a website or something like that and they get a series of modules or videos.

John Jubilee

Yeah, so they all start out with just a breakthrough call. They get on, they talk to somebody. I have no salespeople in my company, but I just have real people. You know, some of them are 20 and 30 year nurses. Ben, that they they quit nursing after they experience this. They said, "Hey, I got into nursing to make people healthy, and this really makes people healthy. You know, truly at the cellular level. And so, so then once they decide to enter into the 88 day program, every day they have a video of Chelsea and I. And you guys, my who's

Ben Greenfield

Chelsea?

John Jubilee

Chelsea's my wife. Chelsea. Chelsea's my wife, Ben, and my wife is brilliant, and she's funny, and she's so fun. She makes science entertaining. So every day there's a daily video of myself and Chelsea. You have a coaching call, you know, once a week. Every Tuesday night, Chelsea and I also do a large coaching call, so everybody gets us every day, and then they get us once a week, and then they have a coach, you know, that they're meeting with once a week as well to keep them on track. And again, most of the people they only need the 88 days, but if they're like me and they have a more serious issue, then we just call it doing another round. So they'll do another round of the 88 days for me to completely rebuild my cartilage. You know that was three rounds. That was three rounds, three and a half rounds to do that. But but you can attest, right? If it took if it took you less than a year to get back, and by the way, I have two and a half centimeters of cartilage. I have no arthritis in my body anywhere. It's worth it,

Ben Greenfield

right? Better than a knee replacement.

John Jubilee

Yeah. So 29 years later, I've got these perfect knees. I never had to have a knee replacement, and so, so it really is a lifetime program. So people have access to us for a lifetime on their Tuesday night coaching call and all their resources. It really is a lifetime program.

Ben Greenfield

Well, I will. I know you gave me like a discount code and stuff that people could use, so I'll put all that at bengreenfieldlife.com/jubilee. It's such a cool story and something that just flies under the radar. I know when it comes to the idea of things like you know walking and MSM and you know your nutrition protocol, the avoidance of sugar. It's it's a it's super interesting. I find it fascinating, and I know that a lot of people who are steeped in allopathic medicine might find it hard to believe. But you got a lot of testimonials, man. So you're doing something right.

John Jubilee

Well, again, that's the joy of our life is 10s of 1000s of people. And if you go research us online at the Better Business Bureau or Trustpilot, any of those things, you'll pretty much see this.

Ben Greenfield

I know. I tried because I wanted to find out if you were a kook before I interviewed you, and you actually like. It's very difficult to dig up anything bad about your program. So, so that convinced me to have you on the show. Actually,

John Jubilee

well, hey, I'll I'll one up you. It's impossible. There's not one negative comment out there.

Ben Greenfield

Yeah, yeah. There's

John Jubilee

not one negative comment out there. People say it sounded too good to be true, but it changed my life because that's all we do, Ben. Is we it's the joy of our life to get to share with people. Hey, here's something that's it's simple and it's sustainable. It'll really last you for your whole whole life, and we have a lot of joy helping people to get healthy and never get sick again and get off all those meds.

Ben Greenfield

Well, folks, bengreenfieldlife.com/jubilee is John's last name, J U B I L E E. His program, as you can see, if you're watching the video, the sign behind him is Energized Health, and if you want to check it out, check out the show notes. I'll link to all John's stuff. John, thanks for doing this, man.

John Jubilee

Hey, thank you, brother. Honored, honored to be here, Ben, and. I love it, man! That you did a walk the whole time. Way to go!

Ben Greenfield

Gotta, gotta follow your rules, baby. All right, cool. Thanks for doing this, man. All right, folks. Thanks for watching. Do you want free access to comprehensive show notes, my weekly roundup newsletter, cutting edge research and articles, top recommendations from me for everything that you need to hack your life and a whole lot more. Check out bengreenfieldlife.com. It's all there. Bengreenfieldlife.com. See you over there. Most of you who listen don't subscribe, like, or rate this show. If you're one of those people who do, then huge thank you. But here's why it's important to subscribe, like, and/or rate this show. If you do that, that means we get more eyeballs, we get higher rankings, and the bigger the Ben Greenfield Life Show gets, the bigger and better the guests get, and the better the content I'm able to deliver to you. So hit subscribe, leave a ranking, leave a review if you got a little extra time. It means way more than you might think. Thank you so much.