[Transcript] – Deuterium Demystified: Everything You Need To Know About Deuterium Depleted Water (DDW), How To Lower Deuterium & Much More!

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[00:00:00] Introduction

[00:00:50] Podcast Sponsors

[00:03:05] Podcast and Guest Introduction

[00:07:32] What is deuterium?

[00:10:24] Deleterious Effects of Deuterium on The Mitochondria and Cells

[00:14:14] Why Present Levels of Deuterium in The Modernized Environment Are Problematic

[00:19:33] Lifestyle Practices That Have Led to Increased Deuterium Levels

[00:24:46] Podcast Sponsors

[00:27:28] The Best Way to Test One's Deuterium Levels

[00:33:16] Why companies sell deuterium-depleted water when we possess the ability to make it ourselves?

[00:39:40] The mask that Hollywood stars use to increase their tolerance to Co2 while exercising

[00:42:00] Other blood biomarkers that correlate to deuterium levels

[00:44:16] Why the Center for Deuterium Depletion doesn't advocate drinking DDW as a permanent solution?

[00:48:47] How DDW is made and manufactured?

[00:50:17] Dietary adjustments to decrease deuterium levels

[00:55:15] Reaching the DD Centers and Having the Lifestyle

[00:59:57] End of Podcast

Ben:  On this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness Podcast.

Que:  Electromotive forces are what's important inside your cell and not gravity. And so, it makes you really change the physical nature of what that cell is.

Anne:  And that's what we want to do. We want to make our own deuterium-depleted metabolic water so we're not so reliant on other forms of water.

Que:  Because that's the difference between being healthy and sick is your ability to deplete deuterium and be able to make the energy as quickly as you can.

Ben:  Health, performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show.

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Well, welcome, folks. I have gotten a lot of questions about this stuff called deuterium-depleted water or DDW. So, I decided to go to L.A. and actually visit a center that specializes in deuterium-depleted water and all manner of things related to using deuterium-depleted water to address health conditions, and also address deuterium buildup in people's bodies. And if you have absolutely no clue what that means, and if deuterium sounds like something Marvin, the Martian, from the old Looney Tunes cartoons would have used to power his spaceship, then have no fear because my guests on today's show are going to fill us in on all things deuterium. They're from the Center for Deuterium Depletion in Los Angeles. And I'm going to link to their center and everything we talked about in the shownotes today, which are going to be at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/ddwpodcast. That's BenGreenfieldFitness.com/ddwpodcast.

Now, before we jump in, I want to introduce my guests. So, my first guest on this podcast is Dr. Anne Cooper. Anne earned her doctorate in chiropractic from Cleveland Chiropractic College. And since then, it has been involved in functional medicine. She has a master's degree in acupuncture and traditional Chinese medicine, and she has a host of credentials. She's a licensed esthetician, if I'm pronouncing that properly. She's certified in clinical nutrition, applied kinesiology, functional medicine, energetic medicine, herbal medicine. And her day to day involves training, communicating with patients, with chiropractors, with naturopaths, with acupuncturists, herbalists, nutritionists. She is also very well-versed in this concept of deuterium-depleted water.

My other guest is Dr. Que Collins. And Que Collins is a leading scientist. Am I pronouncing your first name correctly, by the way?

Que:  I liked it. You're going with the Spanish version, Que.

Ben:  Que. Que. Okay, Que. So, Que Collins. He's a scientist, a leading scientist in the realm of developing nutritional and metabolic therapies to treat cancer in people and in pets. He has a Ph.D. in clinical immunology on MS, and oncotherapeutics, and MA, and experimental pathology, and BS in cancer epidemiology. And he is the co-founder of the Cignature Health Metabolic Clinic. Is that correct?

Que:  Correct.

Ben:  Okay. And that's the first clinic in the world to use deuterium and deuterium tracing technologies to help people with metabolic disorders, like cancer and diabetes and autoimmune disorders. And he's also involved with the KetoPet Sanctuary, which is a big ranch outside of Austin that uses the ketogenic diet to care for dogs, particularly dogs that have cancer. And he's also the principal investigator for the Epigenix Foundation, which is a not-for-profit organization created by a couple of friends of mine, Tom Bilyeu and Ron Penna of Quest Nutrition to promote research to prevent disease and maximize quality of life and improve physical performance.

And so, between Que and Anne, I feel like I've got a pretty good firepower of knowledge here to delve into all things deuterium. So, we are passing the mic, we're passing the mic. I'm recording this show while I'm on the road, so Que and Anne, both between them, have one mic. And I'm selfish, I've got my own personal mic. And so, they're going to be passing the mic back and forth and filling us in on deuterium, and that's exactly where I want to start. Which of you would like to fill me in on what deuterium is? Anne, you raised your hand?

Anne:  Yes, I raised my hand.

Ben:  Or kindly volunteered by Que?

Anne:  All right. So, this new word that you're likely hearing is deuterium. Deuterium is a form of hydrogen. The difference between hydrogen and deuterium is that deuterium has an extra neutron, which makes that atom twice as big and twice as heavy. Since water is made of hydrogens and oxygen, deuterium can replace regular hydrogens to make water–the difference is there's called heavy water. Meaning, the size and the weight of the deuterium atom can have a lot of effects when we overloaded with deuterium loaded water. On a cellular level, it does affect our mitochondria, the size and the weight of the deuterium. So, we have been studying and focusing on deuterium and we've come up with tests to measure deuterium levels, and we just really want to share our knowledge with the world so that they can understand what deuterium is and how it can impact or affect negatively our health.

Ben:  Now, to my understanding, the mitochondria to a certain extent produce ATP by passing electrons through a gradient within the mitochondrial electron transport chain. And part of that gradient is dependent upon hydrogen ions.

Anne:  Yes.

Ben:  And from the very little that I know about deuterium, apparently, it gums up the machinery so to speak because the deuterium is so large compared to the hydrogen for that specific part of mitochondrial energy production.

Anne:  Exactly. On a physical level, that's correct. Inside our mitochondria, we have many thousands of nanomotors. We call them tiny motors, and they are rotating about 9,000 rpm, faster than a Corvette engine. And as they're rotating, they're producing the ATP, which is our cellular energy. However, we've also learned once we all studied the Krebs cycle or the TCA cycle, which is occurring inside the mitochondria, it has various steps. And along those steps, hydrogens are being replaced by deuterium levels if there was an overload of deuterium in there. So, our body has many natural mechanisms in place to protect our body from those deuterium taking over the hydrogen spots. We've also learned that it's really a hydrogen recycling plant. Meaning, we actually make our own deuterium-depleted metabolic water inside the mitochondria.

Ben:  When you say “we've learned”, or I guess since you're Australian, “we've learnt,” what do you mean? Who's learned? Where's the research on this? Where has this been viewed in terms of a laboratory setting or in terms of actually assessing this going on on a cellular level?

Que:  Yeah. So, this is interesting. There's been four Nobel Prizes given for this. The last one was two years ago on the nanomotor itself. The first one given in 1937 for one of the pathways. So, not only exists, but we've published over 100 papers, which a lot deal with how these things work. The biggest contribution I think that we're able to move this forward is that it's not a discussion within the scientific world about deuterium and how it works, but what we're being able to divide inventing these new tests to measure deuterium inside the body.

Now, we can take it to that level of understanding what it means clinically. And we weren't able to do that before. So, there's a lot of papers published on it in every place from Hungary, from Gábor Somlyai, which is one of the founders of the center. And of course László Boros, another founder, and I do believe that those two will end up getting the Nobel Prize, and I'm not kidding when I say this, for their discoveries because it's so important to metabolism and how metabolism works. It's fundamental. László was very into it first, just looking at metabolism.

And we've actually started as a metabolic lab just looking at how glucose metabolism work. And then lo and behold, over the years, we've understood more and more and more about how metabolism works and how deuterium is the fundamental part of this. He actually even talked about electron transport chain. And the interesting thing about this is this is all connected. Everything is connected so precisely. So, when these nanomotors break from high deuterium levels, it even stops electron transport chain and you start to get this buildup of charge inside the cell. So, it's always good. Everything is connected.

Ben:  What would that buildup of charge actually cause in terms of downstream deleterious effects?

Que:  Well, we believe one of the things is it messes with cell integrity and membrane integrity. The other thing it does, it changes the electromotive constant of that cell. And I'm hopeful to talk about how electromotive forces are what's important inside your cell and not gravity. And so, it makes you really change the physical nature of what that cell is.

Ben:  Is there anything else that deuterium does? I mean, could it build up in joints or brain tissue? Like, is it just the mitochondria thing?

Que:  No. Indeed, this is what's so amazing. Think of the hydrogens as the things that hold everything together. There's nothing in your body that's not held together by hydrogen or hydrogen clouds. So, it's just like having Lincoln Logs or Erector Set. When you replace the hydrogen with the deuterium, it starts to change a three-dimensional structure of all things. And so, when we look at diabetes and we think of insulin, and then receptor is not working, it's because deuterium has changed the shape of that molecule and it no longer fits that key, that lock and key.

We have also seen that allergies and autoimmunity is related to deuterium because it changes the structure of that bone or changes the structure of that piece of muscle or thyroid and your body sees it as being formed because it's got the same components, but the three-dimensional structure is different, and that's what immunology is. Immunology recognizes simply three-dimensional structures.

Ben:  Wow. Where's this dirty little bastard coming from, this deuterium? Yeah. I'm sure people want to know how they're getting exposed to this.

Anne:  Yes. I would like to point out that as hydrogen, deuterium is natural. It occurs naturally in our environment. There's just many, many more hydrogens than there are deuterium. In fact, there's around 150 deuterium atoms to 1 million hydrogen atoms. So, it's natural. It is not a toxin, and it is required to a certain point. But to answer your question, the dirty little nasty thing, which is natural and we need it, has increased in our environment very, very much over time, but more particularly over the last few decades. It's more heavily in our foods.

Deuterium is heavier in carbohydrates. So, sugars and starchy foods, and it's just in our atmosphere more, and it's in our water. It's really increased in our drinking water. In fact, it's–I don't know if I want to say it's almost impossible to find undeuterium loaded water on planet Earth anymore.

Ben:  Now, is this like radiation from post-industrialization or the Fukushima disaster? Is this like herbicides and pesticides? Because I've heard of that before. What is it that changed that would be–is it that we have an increasing knowledge of the awareness of deuterium that we're diagnosing as more as if that it's actually like there's more of it?

Que:  There's actually more of it. Even the simple things like climate change and the warming of the planet is allowing most of the–deuterium was sequestered in ice and in the polar ice caps, and that's where it was a lot lower 50,000, 60,000 years ago or anything that Anne just brought over the table.

Ben:  What is this ball that you just brought over the table?

Anne:  It's called the zebra stone and this is the real thing but at 600 million years old.

Ben:  That stone is?

Anne:  Yeah.

Que:  And if you look in this stone, it's so old. This is before we had a lot of oxygen on the planet, and it's also before when deuterium was all trapped. And so, the deuterium levels in this is a lot different from the deuterium levels that we have today.

Ben:  You mean it's lower?

Que:  It is different. Again, it is different. One of the ways they measure ice–when they measure ice, you always seem to take the big cores out. They actually measure the deuterium inside that ice to see how old it is. And so, it's not carbon dating, it's actually deuterium dating that you use. But deuterium has gotten to our–not only has it gone up because of the processed foods and things that we eat now but–and like you were talking about the glyphosates and all these things are synthetically made. And when they're synthetically made, they're made with hydrogen molecules–or excuse me, atoms.

But they use deuterium because deuterium is heavier and easier and cheaper to get. And so, that's the things they combine on these glyphosates, and that's what ends up being the thing that–it poisons a plant because it is that concentration. It's able to actually act as a poison. Oh, and GMO foods. So, deuterium is fantastic and it's needed as Anne said because it makes things grow, because it keeps your DNA open and it allows proliferation to continue. So, when you see GMO foods, the reason GMO foods grow faster is because they have a lot of deuterium in them, and that's the reason that we go away and say they're not grateful.

Ben:  How does the deuterium get there? Is it the process of genetic modification?

Que:  It's the process of genetic modifications and they're being able to have a plant that they didn't select for, but it was the selection process did it to where it has more deuterium built within the structure of that plant.

Ben:  Okay. Has somebody done this? Has somebody taken like GMO fruits and vegetables and non-organic versus organic produce and measured the levels of deuterium?

Que:  Yes, we have. We were going to publish a paper on it now. But yes, there is an incredible difference between the two. And then it also, you got to remember, it also differs from all over the world, right? So, you can get an apple in one place, an apple in another place, has different deuterium levels because the deuterium levels are different across the planet. They're highest, they're lowest in the North and South Poles, highest at the equator, lower in higher elevations, and higher in lower elevations.

Anne:  Deuterium is heavier. So, it's too heavy to float that high. So, when you're living in a higher elevation, you're not at least breathing in so much deuterium, which doesn't mean everybody has to leave the beach. You can still enjoy where you live. We just give you, and not just deuterium-depleted water, but you really focus on various deuterium-depleting modalities, which are lifestyle to manage people's deuterium levels. We just have techniques to get it down quickly. So, there've been people's own natural mechanisms for managing deuterium can kick back in again. They've just been overloaded and we're losing that function, but we're here to help people get it into a good place, but along the way, to also teach them that you can manage this yourself and really have the power for the rest of your life to manage your own deuterium levels without needing us.

Ben:  Yeah. And I want to get to some of the things that you could do to lower it, but that kind of begs the question like in addition to consumption of GMO foods or foods that have lots of herbicides and pesticides on them, are there in addition to that lifestyle practices that we're engaged in now that we weren't so much some time ago that would also lead to higher levels of deuterium, like anything related to breathing, sleep, sunlight, like any of these type of things?

Que:  Yes, yeah. What we really love is everything you do is a deuterium-depletion–it revolves around that. And so, that's why we're so excited about being here. So, things like biggest problems that were the basic problems are lack of sleep and not getting enough deep and REM sleep. Obvious.

Ben:  Why? What happens during sleep that we deplete deuterium?

Que:  That's when you get rid of deuterium during deep and REM sleep.

Ben:  Is that related to the glymphatic drainage thing?

Que:  Well, the glymphatic drainage part is one of them. The glymphatic drained is it allows you to get rid of the waste. But when you don't have enough energy, that's when it stops opening, and that's why you see a lot of problems when you have like glioblastomas and a lot of traumatic brain injury. There's not enough energy to open up the glymphatics or the lymphatics. And so, you see they start to see metastasis and things like that.

Anne:  REM sleep.

Que:  Yeah. And REM sleep is very important because REM sleep is where you burn up all the carbs, and you go into ketosis at night. So, it's so very important.

Ben:  That's interesting because a lot of people are super focused right now on deep sleep. “What can I do to increase deep sleep? My deep sleep percentages aren't high.” And I've said this before. It's like don't discount the importance of REM sleep, but I didn't realize that about what occurs during REM sleep in terms of–how did you describe it? Not deuterium depletion but it's the —

Que:  REM sleep's responsibility to put you into ketosis.

Ben:  Yeah, ketosis, yeah. So, substrate utilization shifts when you're in REM sleep?

Que:  Yes. And that's the reason you'll see a person that's on a ketogenic diet doesn't need as much REM sleep.

Ben:  Interesting.

Que:  So, these are all the kind of things that you can put together.

Ben:  That's fascinating.

Que:  You can start [00:21:46] ______. Therefore, a person that's really doing a keto-type diet was very tight. They don't need to sleep as much because they don't need as many REM cycles to get the carbs and to get the ketosis. They're already there. So, a lot more goes in a deep sleep and repairing. And that's why it's a very, very anti-aging diet.

Ben:  But it seems like it'd be difficult to–people do like indirect calorimetry tests, whether in a sleep lab to measure the substrate utilization during sleep or something like that?

Que:  Well, that's one of the things we did before. Again, using carbon 13 glucose, we can measure metabolic pathways.

Ben:  Oh, yeah. Okay.

Que:  But we can actually also now look at just the–and it's what's great about the Oura ring and the Fitbit watch. You can see some incredible things using these tools and then comparing heart rate variability. We do all of these things according to what your deuterium levels are, and we can change those things around. You can lower and raise your deuterium levels and change your sleep just by itself. It's just so easy, but sleep, breathing, as you've mentioned. Breathing is another thing that we've lost as a culture or as a people. What I mean by that is we now breathe faster. We breathe through our chest instead through our diaphragm, and oxygen is so very important because the oxygen goes into your tissues, binds deuterium first, and removes it from your body. So, it's the whole idea between breathing is so important.

Ben:  Yeah. And oxygen won't get into the tissues unless there's a certain level of carbon dioxide present. This is, for example, related to Patrick McKeown's teachings and the oxygen advantage, or Anders Olsson is another good author in this area. If your exhale is very short and shallow and you don't have these long relaxed exhales, you're breathing off a lot of carbon dioxide. And when you retain carbon dioxide, the oxygen dissociates more readily into the tissues. So, theoretically, that could be kind of like a deuterium depletion strategy?

Que:  Very good. Well, Ben's going to put us out of business already. Yes, it's one of our basic things that we're teaching you with the mask. We have a special mask that we've made of how to retrain and to be able to swallow that little piece of carbon dioxide, and that's going to allow you now to be able to release oxygen to your tissues. And we're able to measure it simply by how long you can hold your breath on exhale.

Ben:  Wow.

Que:  It's very [00:24:14] ______.

Ben:  Yeah. That hold your breath on exhale. That's Patrick McKeown‘s–he calls it a CP test.

Que:  Yes, control–yeah.

Ben:  Yeah, control pause.

Que:  And so, all these things that people are doing, it's what we're so excited about. Well, we say we don't invent anything, we just make everything that's invented better.

Ben:  What's a good score that you like if somebody just does a passive exhale on holds?

Que:  A minimum of 45 seconds, yeah. And then when you get to over 60 seconds, you're superhuman. That's really fantastic. But we don't see that. The average person is below 30. It's not good.

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And that's not a forceful exhale, it's a passive exhale. And you also can't hack it. You can't do like a breath up beforehand because–I mean, when you breathe up, you can hold on longer.

Anne:  We've made videos for our clients so that they can really learn how to measure it properly and to do it properly.

Ben:  And by the way, even though I'll link to it at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/ddwpodcast, what is the link for the Deuterium Depletion Center?

Anne:  DD Centers.

Ben:  DD Centers, okay, at ddcenters.com. Now, before somebody begins the type of deuterium-depletion protocols that you guys utilize, and we already talked a little about sleep and breathwork, but I want to talk about some of the other things you guys do. I would assume you need to test somehow, like test what your deuterium is. And I went to your website before this. I know this is a bunch of tests, like an air test, food test, water test. What is the best way to test and why are there so many different kinds of tests?

Anne:  The first test that we do is called the D-Terminator test, and it comprises of two tests, which is–one is called the breathy where we collect the condensation that's coming out of the heart and lungs, the chest area, and we'll measure the deuterium and that's essentially what's in your tissues. And then we'll either also measure the saliva or urine, and that's an indication of how well or unwell somebody is able to remove or deplete their own deuterium level. So, we're always comparing those together.

Ben:  Okay.

Anne:  And the others are a lot of our clients like to test their well water. So, they'll send us a sample of their well water so that they know what they're consuming, and then we can help them work with that by incorporating or diluting that with some deuterium-depleted water so it gets to the level that's–

Ben:  Why just well water?

Anne:  A lot of our clients have wells.

Ben:  Okay.

Anne:  But a lot of people like to test whatever water they like to drink.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. Have you tested like major brands like Gerolsteiner and Pellegrino and some of these folks?

Anne:  We've tested many, many, yeah.

Ben:  Or any of them like low in deuterium or really high in deuterium?

Anne:  Some are higher than others, but sadly, it's pretty hard to find low deuterium water around commercially or naturally.

Ben:  Okay. So, you can test for water. You can test your own breath for your levels of deuterium. And what else?

Anne:  A lot of people like to send in foods that they like to eat to find out if that's okay, like some people have a protein shake that they love and they don't want to give it up and they want to drink it every day so just [00:29:52] ______.

Ben:  Please don't tell me ribeye steaks have a lot of deuterium.

Anne:  No. What's important about–

Que:  It is.

Anne:  Yeah. What's important about and what's great that you do is you hunt your own meat is the fat content of the animal has to be low or the whole part of it. The animal has to have eaten naturally because if they've been fed corn or soy, which is high in deuterium, that meat and fat is going to be high in deuterium.

Ben:  What about grains?

Anne:  Grains, in general, are high in deuterium. So, we stay away from grains and we make–do I say something? High fat. I mean, the more fat that you consume, the more of your own metabolic water you will make. And now you understand all of the other reasons metabolically for consuming fats. But we talk about the camel, that's fat on their humps. It's not water because they are deuterium-depleted animals. They convert that fat to their own metabolic water so they don't need to consume water. It will get them through the desert. And that's what we want to do. We want to make our own deuterium-depleted metabolic water so we're not so reliant on other forms of water.

Ben:  That would be via beta-oxidation or the burning of fats as a fuel. A metabolic byproduct of that is going to be your own water that is low in deuterium?

Que:  Right. Every time you make ATP, you make metabolic water. And as a matter of fact, you make about–I know this is going to blow your mind. You almost make 1,700 liters of metabolic water a day. You just use it and continue really just this nuclear part sub. It's really what you are. So, you just use it, use it, use it and recycle, recycle, recycle. If an athlete or some are professional Olympic athletes, they're making 3,000 liters per day, and we can make those calculations. So, that's what the tests are for. An important thing I want to stress is that D-Terminator test is very important because it allows you–

Ben:  The D-Terminator test is the one you breathe to determine your own levels?

Que:  Yeah. You really breathe into it to see what's in your tissue and you're able to use saliva or urine to see what's in your garbage, what you're casting off. The difference between those is what tells you if you're healthy or not. Not the level, but the difference because it tells you if you're still able to deplete deuterium, the D factor, and that's the important part. So, there are a lot of tests that are out there just measuring saliva and/or measuring–and we invented these two, or measuring blood spots. We invented all these things, or we're the first people to use them if we didn't invent them. The problem with those, it doesn't tell you anything. Again, it's like wondering what's in your refrigerator, so you're going to go to the garbage to see what's in your refrigerator. It just doesn't work.

Ben:  What do you mean it doesn't tell you anything?

Que:  Because it simply tells you how much garbage, how much is being excreted, not how well you can excrete.

Ben:  Okay. I got it.

Que:  And so, indeed, people always ask, “Well, how –” It's called a deuterium NV (ph), how low should I be or where should–and it's really more complicated. The important thing is can you deplete it? Because that's the difference between being healthy and sick, between being young and old, between being a great athlete and not being a great athlete is your ability to deplete deuterium and be able to make the energy as quickly as you can.

Ben:  When you talk about ketosis or high-level fat burning, being something that allows us to produce our own deuterium-depleted water and how good sleep and good REM sleep, good sleep hygiene could help that, avoiding GMO and herbicide laid in produce and foods could do that. And then also proper breathing patterns could do that. Why do people sell deuterium-depleted water if we can just make it ourselves?

Que:  Well, we invented deuterium-depleted water because it was really from a standpoint of cancer, and what it was for [00:33:52] ______ cancer patient. When you're a cancer patient, you're the most metabolically challenged you can. You have two type of metabolisms going on. You have a metabolism for normal cells and a metabolism for cancer cells. So, that deuterium-depleted water is fantastic on making enormous cells healthier and making your cancer cells more dysfunctional. So, that's the reason we really started with it.

However, it is a great biohacking tool. There's no doubt about it for the short-term, but what we try to tell people is that's not the right biohacking tool. It's enough to get you down into the zone that you want to be in, but then now let's fix the things that you need to fix. As you said, let's do some cold thermogenesis, let's do red light. I mean, my shout out to Joovv. Let's do red light. Let's go to OsteoStrong and work on the mitochondria in your bones. These are the things that make you superhuman and give you boundless energy as you like to say, not the water. The water is just a tool, a short-term tool to get you where you want to be. Now, what you really want to do, I see that look on your face, and it's also to eat correctly so your body starts to make more of the water. So, you don't need as much.

Ben:  Okay. Why would it be so effective for cancer?

Que:  Yeah. It's effective for cancer for several reasons. One is that cancer is simply a normal cell. People always get this kind of twisted. It's a normal cell with the different metabolism. And one of the problems, the major problem is that the deuterium gets into the DNA and doesn't allow the DNA to fold anymore. So, now, the DNA is able to replicate and replicate and replicate. And you also, as it goes on further, the cancer cells can't use the TCA cycle anymore. And that's the reason we talk about the–as we always talk about eating no sugars because the cancer cells require those sugars, but constantly don't use the TCA cycle.

So, by using deuterium-depleted water, what you're able to do is jimmy the system to where even that sugar and those bad things now are more deuterium-depleted, and therefore, it gets into the DNA, into the ribose. And it changes that DNA so that DNA now shuts down and becomes a normal cell that can go through apoptosis. We always tell our clients we're happy to–what we do is make a cancer patient well and we make the cancer cells sick, and that's our goal.

Ben:  What are some of the other things you guys do for cancer?

Que:  So, we really work on everything. We really work on mitochondria. That's really what we do, but we have super friends after that. And what we mean by that, we have a lot of published papers where we've shown how ketogenic diets and deuterium depletion or deuterium-depleted water allows things like chemo and radiation to work much more effectively. We just met with the hyperthermia center in Santa Monica. And so, it's going to make what they do better. It makes all these things do better for two reasons. One, because people have a lot more energy, their immune system is working a lot better, you're optimized. Even though you're supposed to be sick, you're optimized. And therefore, you have the resiliency to actually stand the treatments that all these other things are going to do, whether it's cancer or diabetes or anything.

Ben:  I don't know there was a hyperthermia center in Santa Monica.

Que:  The biggest one in the country.

Ben:  That's painful. I did that one time in Switzerland, the hyperthermic chamber, to induce that fever that would be used to kill cancer cells. It's horribly uncomfortable.

Que:  Yeah. What's great is it's a completely different technique here.

Ben:  Okay.

Que:  And the technique here use ultrasound to focus it. It's really, really–

Ben:  Okay. So, they're just targeting the tumor itself?

Que:  Yeah. And it's really great. I mean, in a combination with what we do, it's fantastic.

Ben:  Okay. Got it. So, did you want to say something, Anne?

Anne:  Well, by the way, you are a very big instructor of deuterium depletion. You did ask what's changed over the last few years. Since I guess the '60s when both parents went to work, all the fast foods and the convenience foods with margarine and all that came in as with the rising rates of cancer, and Alzheimer's, and diabetes. But I do feel like people have much more low-grade chronic stress that's impeding them from having that REM sleep. So, it is multifactorial why it's risen, but I know that you're teaching a lot of things like being back in nature, which we've gotten so far from working in offices and things like that. So, most of the things that you're teaching are really helping people to deplete their own deuterium–

Ben:  Grounding, earthing, sunlight, swimming in the ocean.

Anne:  Yeah. We essentially work with air, food, water, sunshine, and natural therapies like being outdoors, food brought at sunshine, and appropriate exercise. And the other ones are thought processes. So, we have people listen to a lot of meditation tapes and things like that. And the other one is support systems from your family and friends that they're not going to handicap your progress.

Ben:  What do you mean air?

Anne:  Air is where we utilize the mask, which particularly while you're consuming the water, you will be capturing your own exhale, which will be less, low in deuterium.

Ben:  Oh, that's the carbon dioxide you're talking about?

Anne:  And then you'll accumulate some of your own carbon dioxide to trigger your hemoglobin to release more oxygen to your tissues. And we also teach them the breathing techniques.

Ben:  A couple of years ago, I tweeted about a study that they did on that training mask, like the one that looks like Bane from Batman that these Hollywood celebs still use, to train for the movies where it'll look kind of badass during the workouts. And the thing gets some flak because it's not truly altitude that it's simulating. I think they even changed the name from elevation training mask to training mask. But the study was looking at the CO2 trapped in the dead space in that mask. And the fact that you actually increased tolerance to CO2 and acidosis when you re-breathe when you're wearing that mask during exercise your exhale. Is that kind of similar, like something you could do at home?

Que:  Yes. We actually have a patent on that. That's one of the things that we did come up with. But yes, that's exactly it. What's so neat about it, most people don't understand that each night that you sleep, depending on where you live, you breathe in anywhere from a half-liter to liter and a half of water out the of environment, out of the air.

Anne:  Especially in the Irelands, Hawaii, and if you're living in a very humid environment, we have a lot of Houston and [00:40:27] ______.

Que:  So, by using this mask, but we're able to do because when you become deuterium-depleted, it's going to go from say 151 parts per million down to below 130. So, you're actually drinking deuterium-depleted water while you're asleep.

Ben:  That's pretty cool.

Que:  So, these are the kind of things we've come up with.

Ben:  Now, you're talking about PPM, the parts per million, is that when you do a test what you're measuring, parts per million deuterium?

Que:  Yes.

Ben:  So, what are you looking for?

Que:  So, again, we will say this, is that as long as you deplete it, you're cool. But if we see people that are above 155 in their tissues or above 150 in their tissues, we tell them to go to their doctor because they have metabolic dysfunction. They need to go see what's going on. Again, we're not doctors, at least we don't treat patients, but we actually want them go to see somebody about a disease.

Now, what we see with our healthier patients anywhere from–if you're an athlete, they can be down in mid-summer, or like in mid-season, they could be running in the '90s. But the average person, they're in the mid-130s. But then what you want to be able to do, what we're teaching them, and Dr. Cooper is really good at this, is that they should periodically–it's almost like you periodically drop down for a while to optimize their body and get it going. And then they can get that big depletion factor, a defector, and then go and have your cake.

Ben:  Not to throw you too much of a curveball, I don't know if you know the answer to this, but let's say somebody's high in deuterium. Are there other blood biomarkers that tend to also trend high in correlation to that, like CRP or liver enzymes? Are they like that?

Que:  So, yes. One of the things we do when we use our–we have markers that we call our mitochondrial health markers. And so, CRP, we see the HRV changes. We see changes in ceruloplasmin and iron. We see changes in the ratio of lymphocytes with the macrophages. All of these things do change, but there are all signs–what modern science thinks of it is, or modern medicine thinks of it is a sign of disease. But what we're trying to tell, it's really a sign of high deuterium levels because if we change those deuterium levels, those markers will change. And in time, the disease will start to take care of itself again because you have more energy because your biomolecules are shaped the right way, because you're now an ass-kicking power machine.

Ben:  So, arguably, if you have like low HRV, high hsCRP and other markers of inflammation, white blood cell dysfunction, iron dysfunction, and other markers of inflammation, possibly even like gastric inflammation like lactoferrin or something like that, you could probably hazard a guess that you are high in deuterium?

Que:  There is very little doubt about it. The question is where–and it could be tissue-specific. Again, the arm, the one we use as a marker for tissues, right? In other words, it measures what's in the heart and cardiac–in the heart and lung. But you can also have deuterium levels in different places, and that's when we have an MRI where people can go to see the clouds that are in their body. But there's no doubt about that. You cannot have inflammation without having had high deuterium levels. It can't work that way.

Ben:  Okay. Got it. That's the second time you've used the word clouds. You said hydrogen clouds a while ago. You just now said you look in the clouds and tissue. What do you mean when you say clouds?

Anne:  Oh, it's just the type of MRI that we use. It's specific enough that you can actually visually see the clouds of deuterium.

Ben:  Okay. So, they'll show up as like white patches and white specks?

Anne:  It's all white.

Ben:  Okay. Interesting. So, this whole idea of deuterium-depleted water, I've had it, some of my friends has it before. They'll hand me a bottle and be like, “Drink slow.” That's a $12.16, [00:44:26] ______ bottle of water you got there. And I've heard other people talk about deuterium-depleted water generators. I interviewed Robert Slovak. Really good podcast we did on water. He's very bullish on DW and this idea of buying bottled DDW or using a DDW generator to make it. When it comes to deuterium-depleted water, is it really that simple? You just drink the deuterium-depleted water and your deuterium levels go down?

Anne:  We actually don't encourage that for anybody because it's really about doing all of the modules together, like one plus one equals five. We don't want people to use water, deuterium-depleted water as a crutch. We don't want people reliant upon it forever. That's a very expensive way to go. We use it initially and it's always determined via the information that we take from the clients and which PPM is most appropriate for them, and how much they need to consume, and for how long their protocol is, because eventually, we want them doing all of the other components because you're going to make water from the foods and the liquids that you consume, and the oxygens are going to come from the breathing technique.

We encourage people to make their own deuterium-depleted water. Eventually, people are not consuming so much water. Man wasn't running around with water everywhere, but then they would have been eaten at the watering hole. They ate their organs and the fat first and they were just built the way they're supposed to be built so they're not weak. They don't require to consume much water. And that's what happens with our clients. Over time, first changes and they don't need to consume so much water at all.

Ben:  Now, how much water from the get-go initially would you be drinking? Like, every glass of water you drink is deuterium-depleted water, you're kind of supplementing the water intake with DDW.

Que:  Yeah. And again, it's all protocol-specific. It's really almost like DEFCON approach. And we have everything calculated for DD use. In other words, we know by your body size, the body fat how many deuterium depletion units are in the water that you need to drink. And so, we can make those calculations very precise. However, if it's for athletes or wellness, it doesn't have to be as tight because first of all, you're not as broken as a person that has stage four cancer. And a person with stage four cancer, all their water is going to come in as deuterium-depleted. For another person who is just a wellness warrior or a weekend warrior or just wants the optimized thing, then what we want to do is simply get them down. It might not take as much water, but get them down to the range to where their body kicks in and they start to see improvements, whatever improvements they decide it's going to be.

Ben:  So, somebody could order D-Terminator test from you guys, find out their levels, and then you're going to email them or get on the phone with them and tell them how much DDW that they could drink to lower their levels?

Que:  Yeah. We actually–what we call our personal health detective. They'll go through, answer some questions. It will figure out the perfect things for them, including modules and sunlight, trying to fix not on the health style but also the physical things they do and emotional things that they carry with them. We fix all those components and tell them what their protocol should be, and then we measure as they go using the D-Terminator, whether there's relationship between the deuterium levels they have now versus the benefits they're seeing.

Ben:  And how often do you test? Like, how soon do you see responses?

Que:  Well, you can drop deuterium levels within two weeks from the water. However, it takes really about four weeks at a minimum before you're seeing biological effects of that. And more importantly, a person like you or a person that's an athlete and does all the things they're doing, you may not even feel the difference. People ask me that all the time. Well, I didn't feel anything. Your body is a person that [00:48:24] ______ decides what to do with their energy, and it may be that it's rebuilding, it may be that you now can use your lactic acid much better. That's what we found in our athletes, and so you don't get as tired. So, it is really just the idea that you know it's–this is not a question on if it's helping or not. It's just you have to determine what that help is.

Ben:  Okay. How is this stuff made, this deuterium-depleted water?

Que:  Deuterium-depleted water, there's a variety of ways it can be made. The most common one is on a distillation tower that's about a 70-foot tall and it's multiple distillations. It's hundreds and thousands. It's very electricity and power consumption-wise, but you're really depleting off the–you're really causing steam to rise and you're capturing the steam and then freezing it and turning it into deuterium-depleted water.

Ben:  Where are these towers?

Que:  The one that we use more is Preventa, and that's in Hungary, but they're all over the world.

Ben:  Why did you go all the way over there? There's nothing in the U.S.?

Que:  There's nothing in the United States yet.

Ben:  Why not?

Que:  Well, the reason that this became big was because it was from communist countries that had nuclear power plants where they were making nuclear bombs. And so, they were making deuterium water to make bombs. And so, a lot of the water that you're getting over here from Russia, and Japan, from China, that's really where those waters are coming from is decommissioned sites that made other isotopes.

Ben:  Interesting.

Que:  The one that we use from Hungary, from Preventa, is a GMP facility, which is they actually invented it to make deuterium-depleted water as a drug. So, it's approved by the FDA as a drug at least to go into trials.

Ben:  Now, turning from water to food, obviously, we talked about how GMO and herbicide or pesticide-laden foods are higher in deuterium, but kind of similar to the concept of like drinking deuterium-depleted water to lower deuterium levels. Are there certain foods, whether those are herbs or spices or fringe Amazonian superfoods or anything like that that could lower deuterium?

Anne:  Yes. On the herbalist, they're green plants. Essentially, the chloroplast in the green plant is the mitochondria of that plant. So, as our body does, it's always trying to protect ourselves from the deuterium getting in by pushing it away. The chloroplast pushes the deuterium away from the green part of the plant. It does push it into the fruit and into the roots. So, therefore, they are higher in deuterium, but green plants, in general, are low in deuterium. So, we educate our patients about which foods are high and which are low in deuterium, high-fat diet from natural food sources. We go through a whole consult with them and we've made videos for them to have at hand that they can check in on at any time.

Ben:  So, the primary thing is dark green plants, or I suppose even like algae like chlorella or spirulina? Because those have a lot of chlorophyll, right?

Anne:  Yes. To stay away from the roots and also the underground vegetables. They're very starchy. The reason sugar really is bad for us is it's high in deuterium.

Ben:  Really? Because most of my carbs are like pumpkin, squash, sweet potato–

Anne:  Pumpkin does above the ground.

Ben: –purple potato, yam, stuff like that.

Anne:  Yeah. We would take out in the beginning anyway until we test your defector to see how well you can handle these things.

Ben:  And is it because those foods are high in deuterium or because those foods are high in sugar?

Anne:  Sugar is high in deuterium.

Ben:  Now, what about if you're an athlete and you're burning that sugar? Because I was like, if I were to cut that stuff out of my diet, all my glycolytic workouts would just go to pot.

Que:  And that's so important because we have a lot of professional athletes and Olympic athletes. So, indeed, we start talking about different things is how you handle those things metabolically, right? It's not a cancer patient. Metabolically, the reason you put them in is to burn it. Now, you even make metabolic water from glucose. You just don't make as much as you make from fat. So, that's the important part. You use a high-fat diet so you can make more metabolic water or more ATP.

Ben:  Yeah, because that glucose from those underground storage organs in an athlete is pretty transient. I mean, it's essentially filling a glycolytic sink in the muscle in the liver. It has a very short live time in the bloodstream.

Que:  Yeah. And it's the same as water for athletes. We make a really big thing about our clients not drinking water, but athletes need to drink a lot of water. That water never gets into your mitochondria. It's used to dissipate heat. It doesn't get inside you. So, all your mitochondria filled up with metabolic water and feeding your body, and the other water is just on the outside in that garbage just to dissipate heat. So, it's cool there, but it doesn't make a lot of sense for people that aren't athletes to be drinking four and five gallons of water a day. It just doesn't make any sense.

Ben:  Have you guys ever tested anybody who's following this new carnivore diet fad because they're not eating a lot of green plants.

Que:  Well, we're actually right now doing a carnivore salad with Paul Saladino.

Ben:  Oh, really?

Que:  Yeah.

Ben:  You're having results yet?

Anne:  Well, even in our own stuff here, we have the best results from them. One is a carnivore and one is a vegetarian, and they both came to us with a lot of ailments and they are so happy. They have completely transformed their health. It can be a vegan diet. It can be any kind of diet as long as they understand the deuterium load. We just educate them so that eventually, they can think for themselves. And initially, we keep them in a deuterium-depleted diet closely until their own natural mechanisms for removing–you can have a cheesecake or whatever later on, not in huge amounts, but that's because your body can now handle it. For your children, children and teenagers need deuterium to grow. So, after the growth spurt, you're not going to go up anymore. We don't want things growing out but [00:54:26] ______.

Ben:  Yeah. [00:54:27] _______ my friends who have their kids in like a strict ketotic diet are doing like day-long water fasts.

Anne:  No, no.

Ben:  You might be inducing good knowledge of some spiritual discipline in your child, but they also might get their growth stunted, and yeah, have a low bone density by the time they're 20.

Anne:  Yeah.

Ben:  Yeah.

Anne:  So, that's our job is just to educate people with all of these things. So, they can understand it and they have this knowledge that it makes sense to them that they think in this lifestyle way, they're always thinking, “Oh, that's going to do this.” We really just make the correlation between deuterium and the ability of your cells to make energy. And most people get it pretty quickly. You need cellular energy to perform all of the trillions of things like growing your hair and your heart beating. When you can relate it to what they want to happen in their body, it's on the forefront of their brain.

Ben:  And DD Centers or DDW Centers?

Que:  DD Centers.

Ben:  At DD Centers, if somebody gets tested–so they go to your website, they get tested, and then is there like a program that they sign up for to go through with you to lower their deuterium levels? And what's that look like? Is it phone coaching or emails, or what happens?

Anne:  Initially, they have a phone consultation with me. The cancer patients speak with Dr. Que and we go over all the modules. We learn about them so we can tailor it to them. And essentially, we set them off where they're pretty good to go. We give them this knowledge and a lot of them can learn how to live this lifestyle. But Dr. Que has been focusing most of his time lately on patient portal.

Que:  I think it's what you want to talk about. The neat thing is that we've really taken that biohacking attitude and we measure everything so that each patient gets their own portal. And with that portal, we capture all their data, not only their laboratory data and clinical data, but even health style and lifestyle data to see if there's any relationship between–there's dysfunction or the function and their deuterium levels and how they're living. And they can compare that to other patients and see what that other patient or clients, whether all the clients are eating or what the other clients, what exercises they're using. And we can explain to them why this works and may work for them. So, it's really growing. It hasn't been done before so we're pretty excited. Right now, we use it as a clinical tool ourselves as a way to look at it, but we're actually opening up so our clients can see it. So, everything is data, everything. I'm taking guesses. This is all data-driven and you get to see it.

Ben:  Yeah. I appreciate that. It's a good approach. Before I decided to come over here and record this podcast, I went to your guys' website and looked into what you're doing. And I do appreciate how, A, it's very lifestyle and natural living base, but then also pretty research-driven and this isn't just stuff you're pulling out your butt.

Que:  Yeah. We always say this is more of a hobby and a mission force and not a business. And so, it's not about what we sell, but we're really doing–I guess if we're selling anything, we're trying to sell health and lifestyle because I've been doing this 35 years. It's the closest I've ever come to saying if we do this right, we can cut down on the names–let people have better lives, cut down on cancer, diabetes, obesity, all of these things, the calamities we're fighting. If people understood this and understood just this basic easy to understand concepts, the world would be a lot better off.

Anne:  I'll say this for him. He spent his entire life researching and his goal was to really help ameliorate all these problems that people are going through. But what I would say great about Dr. Que is he's a serious Western scientist. He was vice president of a pharmaceutical company that made chemotherapy drugs. So, for people who have received this horrible, scary diagnosis, they're lost, they're getting advice or suggestions from everywhere, they don't have the knowledge or the scientific background to make these decisions. So, it's nice to have someone who can go through them, the Western medicine, all the things, and all of the other things that they can do that many people don't even know about to help them along this with good scientific validation and knowledge, and they can really put things together from both aspects.

Ben:  Yeah. I dig it. Well, folks, if you're listening in, you can go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com/ddwpodcast. I will link to everything that Que and Anne and I talked about, and then you can also check out their center at ddcenters.com. I'll link to that in the shownotes as well. And hopefully, if you're listening in, you now have a pretty decent working knowledge of this whole hard to pronounce D word that everybody seems to be talking about with increased frequency these days. So, Que, Anne, thanks so much for coming on the show.

Anne:  It's really enjoyable. Thank you so much. And yes, a lot of great questions that is now able to be shared. Thank you.

Ben:  I try my best.

Que:  Again, I want to say that I've been waiting for this because we've always–Liz is a big fan, and so–home-schools and everything. So, you guys are like [00:59:32] ______. So, we're very excited she came and I hope that people understand. We try to keep it simple, but any questions they have, just ask us right here.

Ben:  Cool. Yeah. Leave your comments, your questions, your feedback in the shownotes at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/ddwpodcast, and until next time. I'm Ben along with Que and Anne from ddcenters.com. Thanks for listening in.

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Deuterium Depleted Water (DDW) is a topic that has been increasingly mentioned on my podcast, particularly with guests of late, including Dr. Thomas Cowan, Ian Mitchell, Robert Slovak, and many others. 

But I've never done a podcast dedicated to DDW, so I decided it was high time I got some of the world's leading experts on the show: the good folks from The Center For Deuterium Depletion in Los Angeles, where I traveled to record this podcast episode.

The Center for Deuterium Depletion's mission is to promote deuterium depletion research and therapies to prevent or ameliorate disease, maximize quality of life, and improve personal performance.

Deuterium is a naturally occurring element. You acquire deuterium through the food you eat, the liquids you drink, and the air you breathe. Your body's ability to deplete deuterium decreases with weight gain, age, illness, and lack of quality sleep. Deuterium is a rare type of hydrogen; only 155 out of every million hydrogens are deuterium. Its nucleus contains a proton and a neutron, which makes it twice the mass (weight/size) of regular hydrogen. My guests on this show believe deuterium in tissue should not exceed 130 ppm (parts per million) and they base this value on the deuterium levels found in a broad number of plants, animals that are grass-fed, and the food products of grass-fed animals—butter, milk, tallow, etc.

Unfortunately, many people are now saturated with deuterium, and this is affecting their mental and physical performance. On today's show, you'll learn exactly why that is, and what you can do about it from my guests, Dr. Anne Cooper and Dr. Que Collins.

A native of Australia, Dr. Anne Cooper, D.C., LAc. earned her Doctorate in Chiropractic from Cleveland Chiropractic College, graduating with Honors in 1997, while on the Dean’s list and winning the Charles Gibson award for clinical excellence. Her growing commitment to total health and innovative healing therapies led her to continue on with over 20 years post-doctoral experience in functional medicine and to a master's degree in acupuncture and traditional Chinese medicine, graduating with highest honors in 2011. Early in her career, as a celebrity aesthetician, working with great beauties such as Ava Gabor, she realized that where there is beauty, there MUST be health and that health must be established on a very deep cellular level. Anne's credentials:

  • Master’s in Acupuncture & Traditional Chinese Medicine (Highest Honors)
  • Doctorate of Chiropractic (Honors)
  • Charles Gibson Clinic Entrance Award
  • Licensed Aesthetician
  • Certifications: Clinical Nutrition, Applied Kinesiology, Functional Medicine,  Energetic Medicine, Herbal Medicine

Dr. Cooper manages Cignature Health's patients and guides their day-to-day therapy. She also is our healthcare professional liaison and helps them implement our protocols and services into their practices. Her expertise as both an experienced natural and functional medicine practitioner helps bridge any communication gap between our principal and chief scientists training in allopathic medicine and the training received by chiropractors, naturopaths, acupuncturists, herbalists, nutritionists, etc.

Dr. Que Collins is a leading scientist when it comes to developing and applying nutrition and metabolic therapies to treat cancer in people and pets. Dr. Collins' credentials:

  • Ph.D., Clinical Immunology
  • M.S., Oncotherapeutics
  • M.A., Experimental Pathology
  • B.S., Poverty Health Care and Cancer Epidemiology

He is a co-founder and principal investigator at Cignature Health Metabolic Clinic—the first clinic in the world to use deuterium and tracer technologies to describe and follow the health status of patients with metabolic disorders such as cancer, diabetes, and autoimmune disorders. Epigenix Foundation, a not-for-profit organization created by the founders of Quest Nutrition promotes research to prevent and ameliorate disease, maximize quality of life, and improve personal performance. He is also co-founder and principal investigator of Ketopet Sanctuary, a 53-acre ranch outside Austin, Texas that uses the ketogenic diet and other metabolic therapies with and without standard of care to treat dogs with naturally occurring cancers.

During our discussion, you'll discover:

-What exactly deuterium is…7:30

  • A form of hydrogen
  • Deuterium has an extra which makes it twice as big and twice as heavy
  • Deleterious effects on our mitochondria when present in water
    • Produces ATP; depending on hydrogen ions
    • Deuterium “gums up the machine” due to its size
    • Hydrogen atoms are replaced by deuterium when deuterium is present
    • We actually make deuterium depleted metabolic water inside our mitochondria

-Deleterious effects of deuterium on the mitochondria and cells…10:30

  • Clinical tests showing its effects on the mitochondria/metabolism are fairly recent
  • Deuterium stops up the electrode transport chain; results in excessive energy within the cells
  • Affects cell integrity
  • Changes electromotive constant of cells
  • Bottom line: Hydrogen holds us together; the size and density of deuterium changes the whole structure inside our cells

-Why present levels of deuterium in the modernized environment are problematic…14:15

  • While deuterium is a natural and essential element, its presence has increased in the modernized environment: foods, atmosphere, water
  • Climate change has released deuterium previously stored in ice caps
  • Ice is dated by measuring the deuterium level (deuterium dating)
  • Processed, synthetically made foods increase glyphosate
  • GMO foods possess high amounts of deuterium
  • Deuterium levels in food will vary based on where it's grown (highest in the equator and in low elevations)

-Lifestyle practices that have led to increased deuterium levels…19:45

  • Lack of sleep, particularly deep REM sleep
    • REM sleep we burn up carbs, go into ketosis
    • Someone on a ketogenic diet doesn't need as much REM sleep as someone who isn't
  • Breathing: fast, through the chest vs. diaphragm

-The best way to test one's deuterium levels…28:00

  • D-Terminator test (condensation from lungs)
    • Saliva and urine
  • Water sources: well or municipal
  • Major water brands typically have high deuterium levels
  • Animals that are fed corn and soy will have high deuterium in their meat
  • Grains, in general, are high in deuterium

-Why companies sell deuterium-depleted water when we possess the ability to make it ourselves…33:30

  • It's a short-term biohacking tool
  • DDW was originally formulated for cancer patients
    • A cancerous cell is simply a normal cell with a different metabolism
    • Deuterium gets into the DNA and is not allowed to fold
    • Cancer cells can't use the TCA cycle
    • Bottom line: DDW makes cancerous cells dysfunctional and supports healthy cells
  • Primary therapies: Air, food, water, sunshine, natural therapies, appropriate exercise, thought processes, support from family and friends

-The mask that Hollywood stars use to increase their tolerance to Co2 while exercising…39:45

  • We breathe in 0.5 to 1 liter of water while we sleep (especially in humid or tropical climates)
  • Mask allows you to drink DDW while you sleep

-Other blood biomarkers that correlate to deuterium levels…42:10

  • Mitochondrial health markers: CRP, HRV, iron, and more
  • Modern medicine views it as a sign of disease; it's actually a sign of high deuterium levels

-Why the Center for Deuterium Depletion doesn't advocate drinking DDW as a permanent solution…44:15

  • DDW shouldn't be used as a “crutch”
  • It's a holistic approach, of which water is merely a component
  • The amount of DDW a person should consume is protocol-specific (cancer patient vs. a wellness warrior)
  • DDU: deuterium depletion unit
  • Deuterium levels can be dropped in 2 weeks with water alone; takes longer for more comprehensive results

-How DDW is made and manufactured…48:45

  • Distillation tower (capturing steam, freezing, extracting deuterium)
  • Became necessary in communist countries where deuterium rich water was used to make bombs

-Dietary adjustments to decrease deuterium levels…50:30

  • Green plants are lower in deuterium than fruits
  • Algae and spirulina contain high chlorophyll amounts
  • Roots and underground veggies are very starchy
  • Your metabolic response will help determine your needs
  • No diet is better than the other, so long as you understand the deuterium load in it and adjust appropriately
  • Think “lifestyle” vs. diet, water consumption, etc.

-And much more…

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Resources from this episode:

Center for Deuterium Depletion website

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  1. Tommy says:

    Ben, doesn’t frolov’s breathing device help as well? Also if you have any thoughts on “divinia” water and “watt-ahh” from aquanew water company.

    Also for the breathing technique to deplete deuterium, doesn’t hyperbaric oxygen therapy do the job and may i say faster and more efficiently as it delivers oxygen to the tissues therefore binding to deuterium and extracting it from your body?

    Also since what you teach and do (how you live) is ideal for deuterium depletion, it would have been nice if you did an mri and dererminator test on youself, so to show us if you are depleting deuterium and don’t need to drink the depleted water and just need to continue doing what you already are doing.

    Thank you for everything

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