[Transcript] – Unleashing The Phenomenon Of Using Sound & Music For Performance, Recovery, Healing & More.

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Podcast from https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2016/07/how-to-use-wholetones-music/

[0:20] Surprise Gift Boxes

[0:58] Ben's Carrot and Warrior Bar Snack/Onnit

[2:12] Cricket Protein Bars

[3:39] Harry’s Razors

[5:09] Introduction

[6:43] The book “The Sound of Healing”

[ 7:51] Wholetones Music

[10:44] Michael's Background in Music

[13:56] When Michael Began To Delve Into Frequencies

[15:42] The Standard Vibrations Per Second

[18:56] Frequencies and Mind Control

[24:28] How Michael Realized 440 Hz was not the Ideal Frequency

[28:06] The Basis of the 444 Hz

[31:01] How Different Frequencies Affect Different Organ Function

[34:23] All about Chroma

[45:34] Analog vs. Digital

[54:09] Best Way To Use The Wholetones CDs

[57:47] Michael’s take on Tuning Forks

[1:06:06] End of Podcast

Ben:  Hey.  What's up?  It's Ben Greenfield.  Today's podcast is not our usual Wednesday Q&A podcast.  Instead, it is a podcast about one of my favorite little pet topics: how music, sound, and frequencies affect the human body and brain.  You're gonna dig this one.

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In this episode of The Ben Greenfield Fitness Show:

“She said, ‘Listen.  I've had rheumatoid arthritis for 10 years.  I'm a nurse at Tampa General.  Somebody told me about your wholetonesmusic.com.  So I went on there and I listened to a sample one time, went to bed, woke up in the morning.  I didn't feel any pain in my body for the first time.  I thought it was a fluke that was two months ago.'  ‘My doctor,' she said, ‘told me that I had no more rheumatoid arthritis.'  “There's a Canadian man and his wife right now that have cleaned copious amounts of polluted water by using 528 with a frequency generator and 20,000 Watts of power.”

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Ben:  Hey, folks.  It's Ben Greenfield, and I've got a quick question for you.  When was the last time you listened to music, or a podcast, or white noise, or binaural beats, or any other form of audio?  And I'm curious if you ever gave thought, any thought at all, to the frequency of the actual wavelengths of sound in that audio.  Because until recently, I really didn't think too much about the actual frequency, or the vibration of sound, or anything like that?  I would just focus on the content of the sound itself and I didn't really have any clue that frequencies of sound, frequencies of music, and things like.  The frequencies of the piano that my kids practice every day up on the balcony, or the guitar and the ukulele that I practice most days of the week can actually affect things like cognitive function, and heart health, and liver, and kidneys, and digestion, and drive, and mood, and a whole lot of other stuff.

So I was at a health summit a couple of months ago and someone gave me this book called “The Sound of Healing”, and it was written by this guy named Michael Tyrrell.  The person that gave me that book also gave me this handful of CDs that Michael recorded, and the CDs are called Wholetones CDs.  And on the CD cover, it's actually described as music that heals, repairs, and protects against disease.  So I'm always skeptical when I see stuff like that, but I was curious.  So I sat down, it was actually on the airplane ride home, and I read this entire “Sound of Healing” book.  I dig music.  I love audio.  I grew up playing the violin.  I come from a very musical family, you know, my sister is a jazz musician, and all my siblings play in bands, and I played in a rock band until about six years ago.

So, I was really drawn to some of the information in this book.  And I also started listening to these CDs, these CDs called Wholetones CDs, while I was driving, and I convinced my massage therapist to put the massage table like right in the middle of two sets of speakers, and like blast my body with these CDs while I was getting a massage, and I started putting the music in my sauna.  And every time I'd finish one of these CDs, and each of the different CDs is targeted for like a specific body function, like stress, or liver health, or cardiovascular function, things like that.  Every time I'd finished listening one of the CDs, I had this feeling I don't usually get when I listen to music, like elation, and satisfaction, and again at the risk of sounding really woo-woo, just like peace, basically.  So I even downloaded a digital tuning app just off of the iTunes App Store, and I retuned my guitar, and I retuned my ukulele to actually be at the frequencies described in this book, “The Sound of Healing.”  And it made a huge difference in the ability of a song that I was playing to make me feel uplifted and make me feel more full of positive energy.

So this stuff is super fascinating, and I wanted to get Michael, the guy who makes these CDs and the guy who wrote this book, on a podcast to talk about how sound affects your body, how music affects your body, and as how he goes into in his book, most of the music we listen to today is actually pretty messed up when it comes to the actual frequency that it's played at.  So, Michael, welcome to the show.

Michael:  It's an honor, Ben.  I've been really excited.  The good thing about you is that you're very organized, and so I've had a of couple weeks to think about our time together.  So, thanks for having me on.

Ben:  That's awesome.  Yeah, and I'm super excited to have you on 'cause I have a ton of questions that I want to ask you about on what you wrote in the book.  By the way, for those of you listening in, whenever I do a podcast like this, I don't just like to tell you a bunch of stuff that you could just go by and read in Michael's book.  I like to delve into some of the practical, nitty gritty applications as well.

So, Michael I wanted to start here though.  I really don't know that much about your actual background in music.  I mean, I know you've produced some really fascinating CDs, and the music is amazing, and your CDs, for everyone to know, I play them and just loves them, but what is your background in music?  Are you like an ex-heavy metal rocker, or an ex-violinist?  What's your background?

Michael:  Well, it's pretty well-versed actually.  I started playing guitar as a primary instrument, but I was one of those bizarre humans that was born with their eyes open, which is a very small percentage of humanity that is actually born with their eyes open.  And so I'm one of the few that can actually say I remember being born and I saw the operating room when I came into the world, and the first thing that I heard were voices, but they were processed differently than we, 'cause with us, with voices now there's understanding.  At that point there is no understanding.  And so, from an early age, I was mesmerized by frequencies especially musical frequencies, and my mom said that by the time I was one year old, that I could say all of the names of the instruments on the Lawrence Welk Show.  And so, it was kind of a no-brainer that I would be a musician, but I started playing guitar at age seven, and actually did quite well at it.  And by the time I was in high school, I was already making money playing in bands, and I was taking classical guitar lessons from a disciple of Andres Segovia, who was one of the greatest flamenco classical guitar players that ever lived.

Ben:  Now, I need to interrupt you for just a second.

Michael:  Sure!

Ben:  Because my kids seem interested on how to play a guitar, but a guitar is a pretty frickin' huge instrument for a seven year old.  How did you play guitar when you were seven?

Michael:  Well, the good news is that back in the day, and they still have 'em available, they make three-quarter size instruments.  The Suzuki Kids [0:12:31] ______ them with violins, violas, there's three-quarter sized instruments.  My first guitar was a very small guitar.  It was a three-quarter sized instrument, and so I got around on it pretty good.

Ben:  Okay.  Gotcha.  My kids, by the way, just a complete segue at the risk of losing all our listeners right off the bat, they're actually upstairs right now, building ukuleles.  They have their own Build Your Own Ukulele kits.

Michael:  Oh my!

Ben:  They're staining the wood and building their own ukuleles.  We're gonna have three ukuleles around the house to annoy mom even more.  Anyways though, so you went from playing the guitar at age seven, and then you said you got into flamenco music?

Michael:  I did!  Like I said, I've always wanted to learn many genres of music, and so I actually studied five or six styles of music, and one that I was fascinated with was flamenco, or Spanish guitars.  So at the same time I was playing electric, I was also learning flamenco guitar.

Ben:  Okay.  Got it.  And so were you a professional musician at that point?

Michael:  I was a professional musician like out of high school actually.  And during high school, I used to play in bands that were well-known bands in town, and even this guy named Bertie Higgins that did this song called “Key Largo.”  And they had to sneak me in to play in bars 'cause I wasn't old enough to get in, so I'd have to go around the back of the bar, and they'd bring me in the back door, and then I'd come out on stage.

Ben:  Nice.  So, you're playing music, and it sounds like a lot of musicians, you started young, and you were in a band, and you were immersed in music.  When did you first begin to delve into frequencies?  Or when did you first begin to realize that, perhaps, the way that we currently experience music in our day and age might not be ideal, specifically when it comes to things like our physiology and our biology, and our health?

Michael:  Well, that's kind of the pivotal question, Ben.  Actually, it was just one of those things, like sometimes you'll ask yourself a question, and that question you ask yourself demands an answer.  And one day, I was just musing, I was thinking about some experiences when you go in a music store, and you buy your guitar, and then they want you to buy a chord book, and then they want to sell you a tuner.  And one day it just hit me.  Why are these tuners calibrated to this particular frequency range?  Why is the note A equivalent to 440 Hertz per second, or vibrations per second to make it simpler?

That question kind of opened the door for an unbelievable deep rabbit hole as both of us call it.  A discovery.  When I realized, on one of my first international dates, Ben, that I was tuned to our tuner, our supposedly standard tuning tuner.  And I went to play with the band in Columbia, and guess what?  They were in tune with their tuner too, and neither one of us were in tune with each other.  And that was the beginning of my understanding that there was no true standard tuning.  There was an attempt, however, to convert the entire world globally to one particular tuning, which again was what United States and Canada adheres to which is A, the note A, equals 440 Hertz of vibrations per second.

 Ben:  Okay.  So when you say that the U.S. and Canada, when we take a musical instrument, when we play the note A on that musical instrument, and the current status quo is to have that note A at 440 Hertz, what does that mean?  Like from a physics standpoint, what does this 440 Hertz refer to?

Michael:  Okay, that's simple.  On the guitar, to make this very simple, the second, you know, there's the fat strings and the skinny strings.  The fifth fat string is the A note, as we call it, as our guitars are tuned in frets, that note A means in order for it to sound that note in A, in the key of four, it's gotta vibrate 440 times a second, Ben.  And so with that being said, if that would be the calibration, then that note would only be a true A if the tuner that it was checking was calibrated at 440 Hertz.  So if it was any other, if there was more vibrations, less vibrations, of course it would change that number.  And so that's what we're really saying is that the equivalent of the note A, in this supposed standard tuning of the U.S. and Canada, is equivalent to 440 vibrations per second.

Ben:  How did that become the standardized chosen vibration frequency?

Michael:  I had a feeling you'd ask that question.  It's really interesting that during war time, a particular man named Joseph Goebbels found that he could disassociate himself from the war and propaganda, and being one of Hitler's, him and Mengele…

Ben:  So when you're saying war, you're referring to World War II?

Michael:  That is correct.

Ben:  Okay.

Michael:  And with that being said, all of a sudden Joseph Goebbels decides it's important to globalize a standard tuning for every nation knowing that, for example, Leningrad's 444, most of Europe's 432 Hertz.  You know, all around, every basic country has its own tuning center, if you will, and he was trying to globalize this, and went to great lengths to do it during wartime.  And that hit me like, “There's something here that's missing.”  And as I delved into the research, I found out later on that A equals 440 was first known as the German radio beat, and it was used for propaganda and mind control because it actually works negatively towards a circadian rhythm of the human body thus creating some semblance of chaos.

Ben:  Okay.  Slow down there for just a second 'cause you're getting a lot of people all of a sudden whose alarm bells are going to go off with conspiracy theorists [0:18:24] ______ .  So back that up a second and explain to me what you just said.  So, I've heard of course that like fluoride in water, for example, is one way that someone's resistance to authority can be tweaked, and that it may make us all more susceptible to governmental influences.  Whether or not there's research behind that, I don't think we need to get into that right now, although for those of you listening in, I do have a fascinating podcast on fluoride.  I'll link to it in the show notes for this one.

However, when you talk about frequencies and their ability to allow us to be controlled, can you get into a little bit more detail on that?

Michael:  Well, absolutely.  I mean, everything has vibration.  Everything has frequency.  Everything has a resonant frequency.  I mean, in the room that you're podcasting, in the room I'm podcasting which is my office.  If I was to use a frequency generator right now and I had the proper amplitude, I could make the walls of this room shake once I determine what that resonant frequency is.  In the same way, the human body on a cellular level operates much in the same way.  If you introduce a certain frequency to the body, it will accept it or reject it.  It will either do something positive for the body or something negative for the body.  And in the case of the German radio beater, they would broadcast their propagandist Nazi materials on this particular frequency range which is 440 Hertz knowing that it had a negative effect or a chaotic effect on the human body.

I understand what you're saying about conspiracy theory and I'm good friends with Dr. Horowitz, but however, with that being said, this is actually just straight up, good old science.  This guy knew that if he could get everyone to use this particular tuning center and to calibrate all of their tuning instruments with that, they would be introducing a level of chaos into the entire world.

Ben:  What does that mean chaos?  Like when you say, for example, that a frequency can induce chaos like in the human body, how is that chaos manifesting itself?  Like is this something we could look at like in terms of like chaos in a red blood cell, or in a liver, or something like that?

Michael:  To totally demystify, let's take the word disease and let's hyphenate it.  Dis-ease.  My body is at dis-ease.  It's not at ease with itself.  You mentioned peace earlier.  A chaotic state is any time when something's in flux.  It doesn't really matter what it is.  And so with the human body, if you put yourself into a place, for example, some people like myself are very susceptible to magnetic waves, or being near power lines, or a lot of bundles of cable.  Other people, they could sit, they could live in a house that was right beneath a power plant, and it would never bother them.  So it's how it affects us on a physiological basis.  If you have the wrong electrical frequencies permeating your home, EMFs, or wherever you are, you're not going to sleep well.  It's going to cause issues with your circadian rhythm, maybe even your pineal gland.

On a cellular level, it's a negative thing.  So that's where I was going with that, is it's not again good science.  If you could do that, and you're really a twisted enough individual and that's your mission statement, that you want to screw up the world, hey, that's a great way to start.  My mission is exactly the opposite.  I want everybody to experience what you experience every day of their life, and I'm working 24/7 to start in the United States and hopefully, later on in another direction to bring frequencies into the musical world that actually bring harmony, and peace, and help people sleep better.

Ben:  Okay.  That makes sense.  Like when you talk about frequencies, and you mention this Dr. Horowitz guy, I know he's done studies on like, I think it's 520 something Hertz.

Michael:  528.

Ben:  Yeah.  And he's looked at the fact that, I believe it's water, when it is vibrating at that specific frequency, it actually flows through in and out of cellular membranes more efficiently.  I think Dr. Gerald Pollack at University of Washington has done some similar research in terms of the ability of a cell to either absorb or not absorb water depending on the frequency at which that water is vibrating.  And I know also, for example, I use a BioMat and that has Amethyst crystals and Tourmaline crystals in it, and these also vibrate at specific frequencies that seem to affect organ function.  And I know that people who listen to this podcast are aware that the human body is a battery,right.  Like it operates at a specific ideal electrochemical gradient when it comes to the way that sodium, potassium pumps work in terms of getting energy in and out of cells, and that particular battery function is dependent upon the frequencies that we're surrounded by, right.  So you talked about Wifi signals, Michael, and obviously you talked a lot about music, but a big part of it comes down to the fact that cell membranes responds to vibrations, right?

Michael:  Absolutely.  And that's been one of the funnest things as far as with Wholetones as people say, “Well, how loud do I have to have my music?  Do I need to wear headphones?”  And the beauty of frequencies is, no, no, and no.  If you want to enjoy it with headphones on, sonically you're going to enjoy it maybe a little bit better.  There's particular applications, PTSD, TBIs, for example, where it may improve the situation with headphones, but for the most part, as long as you're immersed in some degree even if it's just that a barely audible level, your body responds huge to these particular frequencies.

Ben:  Interesting.  Okay.  So we know that sound frequencies affect the human body.  We know that they affect things like water, for example.  Now, when it comes to musical instruments and music, and retuning musical instruments, tell me about what you found when it comes to 440 Hertz, for example, like you mentioned that we have in the U.S. and Canada as our tuning for the note A.  What did you find when you began to realize that that might not be the ideal frequency?

Michael:  Great question.  I mean, it initially started, like I had mentioned before after the initial query of why are these tuners calibrated this way.  And the other side of it is my whole life as a musician, I always knew that there was so much right with music, but there was something wrong with music.  It's really difficult for me sometimes when you look at these things to try to pinpoint the exact moment, but it was when I questioned the tuner, and then after that I suddenly realized, “Well, wait a minute,” if music is more than just entertainment, if it's actually a modality for healing the body, then I need to find out what frequency would work along with the electricity of the human body, as you mentioned before as tourmaline's a huge conductor.  I need to find out what would be a conductor that would have a positive effect on the body.

And so through a lot, I mean, we don't even have the time on this podcast to go through all of it, but through wonderful journey and a myriad of different things, I ended up in Israel and met a man that basically had told me that he spent his entire life working on the Psalms of David, King David in the Bible.  And at the end of this incredible day, I walked away with transcripts and information that was boggling my mind about the possibilities of why music was not doing what I thought music would do.  And after making these appropriate adjustments, I found that sonically, and here's another argument, by the way, sonically 444 Hertz is probably the greatest frequency, or a key that you could play over the human body because it activates every single organ, it works on your DNA, and it was the corroborated work by Leonard Horowitz.  I was surprised, and I published it in the book, I was shocked when I read Leonard's work before we became friends, and all of a sudden out of the blue he said, “I'm positive that 444 Hertz is a rested positive frequency that will help align the human body.  I was like, “Holy smokes.” ‘Cause, I mean, basically there's a million different frequencies, but when you're in A equals 444 Hertz, an amazing thing happens.

Underneath your fingers unlocks all these other frequencies, as you mentioned, 528 becomes middle C on the piano.  Now you're working in a range where every single thing you're playing, even if you're playing the same songs you used to play, now they're in a virtually new key only four sets higher, but they make a huge change in the human body.

Ben:  It's a very, very slight adjustment.  Like when I got that digital tuner, and I actually emailed you to make sure that I did it correctly, and I made that slight adjustment to ensure that, for example, the A on my guitar was at 444, it really did change the way that I felt when I played the music, and it's really, really crazy.  Again, it sounds woo-woo and unscientific or whatever, but it actually made a big difference.

Now, you talked about 444 Hertz.  There is a pretty strong religious background behind that, right.  ‘Cause you talked to this guy about David, for example.  For those of you not familiar with the Bible, David was considered to be, correct me if I'm wrong Michael, but he was one of the greatest musicians in the Bible, right?

Michael:  The absolute greatest, the master musician.

Ben:  How do we know that he, for example, was playing music at that particular frequency?

Michael:  Well, here's the best part of it.  It's like with anything else, that's where we get a little weird all around even in the political places.  Some of us aren't there and so we can't say definitively that that was what he did, but after using 18 years of research and adding and subtracting, and working a lot, suddenly I realized what he was working.  I mean, obviously he played a kinnor, which is what some people call a harp, but it's a ten string instrument, and I always knew that the bottom note, the tonic would have been A.  So it was a matter of subtraction, and then after several years of working with it, all of a sudden I thought, “Man, could it really be so simple that it's just forward?”  Four sets make that much difference.

So when I made the adjustment, I don't think I've ever told anybody this Ben, but the first thing I noticed immediately was I'm thinking it's higher and so, I'll have to sing higher.  So I started singing, I never went hoarse.  I could sing for three hours, four hours.  And the other part that was amazing is, as a musician I'm real persnickety and so I'd always be tuning my guitar.  When I did the Wholetones recording in 444, I think I'd tune my main guitar twice in seven days.  Usually, I'd tune twice in a song.  So, it was almost like that frequency my guitar was saying, “Aha!  Thank you.”  And my voice was saying, “Thank you!”  ‘Cause that's where I'm supposed to be, that's the tessitura, that's where I'm supposed to sing.

Ben:  Now, with regards to this 444 Hertz, I know it makes the body feel pretty good because, like I mentioned, and I don't remember if I told you this prior to us getting on a recording today, but I had my massage therapist, Tracy, come to my house the other night, and I had her put the massage table in between the two biggest speakers in my house, and I put on one of the CDs.  So I think you have, how many CDs are in this CD kit that you have?  Seven?

Michael:  Seven.

Ben:  Okay.  Yeah.  So you've got seven CDs, one of them is just all that what you call the Key of David, right, like 444 hertz, and I had her just blast this.  So it was like an hour long massage, we just put it on repeat, right.  ‘Cause the CDs 22 minutes long, so we just played it three times through.  I felt amazing afterwards, and she did too.  Like she wasn't even getting a massage, but she's like, “I cannot believe how good my body feels after just being blasted by this music for an hour.”  And so, I know that particular frequency seems to work, but there's a whole bunch of others.  Like you've got, 528 and frequencies up in the 800s.

Can you kinda walk us through and explain how different frequencies affect different organ functions?  Because when I look at this CD kit that you have, it says, some of it's good for like the liver, some of it's good for stress, some of it's good for detoxification.  Can you walk me through how these different frequencies work and why you chose the frequencies that you did?

Michael:  Absolutely, Ben.  Well first and foremost, you have to remember, like I said before, everything has an atomic weight, or everything has the ability to be vibrated.  For example, and I'll even tell you what I did as far as why this has been so successful and it works.  Let's just say that we both found the way to be able to survive after someone removed both of our hearts, and we're looking at our hearts and saying, “Wow.  The atomic weight of Ben's heart and Michael's heart are a little bit different,” but overall, we're within a certain bandwidth where if there is an excitement or a frequency that's added, suddenly that heart will begin to vibrate once you find its atomic weight.  And so, when I found the baseline of that, and it was through mostly the work of a man named Royal Rife, R-I-F-E, there was a lot of research out there, and also I happen to be in a gaggle of just amazing scientific geeks that are always helping me work through these things, and I just realize that every part of the body has a resonant frequency.

And like, we're talking about the human heart, so there's a bandwidth to where we're virtually close to having the same, but no two hearts weigh exactly the same.  So the way I was able to find a baseline was once I found that frequency that is inherent to vibrating the heart, for example, I would add a mild, super mild oscillation, Ben.  So an oscillation, just for your listeners, is just like when you have a total tone, like “Aaaaah,” or all of a sudden you go, “Aaaaaah,” you add that little bit of vibrato, if you will, or vibration to that frequency.  Well, what that does if you look at an oscilloscope is it spreads out the field just a little bit.  So if you do that with the frequency, you find a frequency that is absolutely favorable for a particular organ at a mild oscillation.  Now you've got 90% of the people listening are going to be affected by it.

And so, with that being said, each of the seven frequencies operates in a different part of the human body, and it also has a lot of emotional connections.  If we had time I could read to you like, in fact we have thousands of customer testimonies now, but just amazing things that happen with certain parts of the body, certain emotions depending on which of the frequencies that you're listening to, and even the most amazing is how it affects animals.  Like anxiety with animals, dogs and cats, separation anxiety, sleep, you know.

Ben:  Really?

Michael:  Yeah.  In essence, anything that has breath is affected.  Plants, I mean, Jordan Rubin, a great friend of mine, with Get Real Nutrition, you know, before that he had one of the largest supplement companies in the world.

Ben:  Yeah.  He's the owner of the Garden of Life, right?

Michael:  Yeah.  He sold it, but he was.  Yeah.  I mean, he's just like the arch-typical, when it comes to supplement, he's like the top, you know, top.  Well anyway, long story short, when he found out about what I was doing, he said, “I want the copy of Chroma so I can use it in my mycobacterium.  I want to grow mushrooms and stuff inside.  So he puts up these plasma screens, and I send him a couple packages of Chroma.  A Chroma by the way, for your listeners, is the DVD and the Blu-ray set that is actually not only these frequencies in the audio, but the harmonics of light that coincide with them.  And he began to play…

Ben:  Oh, so you play this on like a TV?

Michael:  Absolutely.

Ben:  Interesting.  Okay.  I have it.  The same guy that gave me these Wholetones CDs you recorded, he gave me that Chroma.  I didn't know what it was.  I don't even take it out of its shrink wrap yet.

Michael:  Oh gosh.

Ben:  So you would play this on a TV and you could, for example, have that playing in a room where you have plants and things like that?

Michael:  And you!  I mean you're going to be bathed in photons and audio.  Because remember, once we exhaust the audio frequency realm, we've just begun the frequencies of light.  And so, if you can combine those two modalities of light and sound, photons and audio, imagine what you're sitting in in your room when you're getting therapy.  It's actually chromatherapy.  And so he thought…

Ben:  What are you, sorry to interrupt, but do you sit there and you look at the TV monitor while the sound plays?  Or can you be anywhere in the room?

Michael:  You can be anywhere in the room, you can be doing stuff, it doesn't matter.  It's light.  It's just like when you're outside, and you can play football, or you can lay down and get a sun tan.  Either way you're getting sun.

Ben:  Okay.  And you don't have to be looking at the sun?  You can just basically be exposed to the actual photo receptors on your skin, for example, can be exposed to that same light wave?

Michael:  Right on.  You don't have to stare at it.  That's what makes it so great, and that's why people, like I don't have 22 minutes and 22 seconds to sit here and listen to a song.  Well, don't.  Move around.  Do your housework.  As long as it's audible, you're getting it.  So that's what's so cool.  But before I forget, so I send him out the Chroma packages and, within a couple of weeks he’s sending me pictures of how it's changing the plant root size, bioavailability of his plants that he's growing for his new company which is Get Real Nutrition.  It's handmade nutrition.  And we've become very close friends, and he uses Chroma for every single thing.  Every product that goes out now has been what he calls, harmonically energized by Wholetones.  So everyone that receives Jordan Rubin's supplements knows that it's been bathed with chromatherapy before it ever gets in their body.

Ben:  Yeah.  It's really interesting.  I mean, we know for example that even when you're walking on the rocks and dirt outside, you get exposed to the Schumann resonance frequency that the Earth emits, right.   It's 7, it's a very, very low Hertz.  It's 7.38 Hertz, something like that.  But they actually make crystals, I caught a lot of flak for this, actually by people who thought that I was completely, not to overuse the term yet again, but woo-woo by going down this path, but I used to have bracelets and they are all sold out, and then I no longer was able to work with the guy who was manufacturing these crystals that we developed.  But we were just blasting these things with that particular frequency, that 7.38 Hertz, so that when you're on an airplane or in a skyscraper, somewhere like that, you could actually wear this crystal on your wrist, or around a necklace that would vibrate with that specific frequency.  So you're still getting a lot of the benefits you'd get, say if you were grounding, or earthing, or camping, or something like that.  And people responded to these frequencies, like they actually do have an effect on the body.  So it's fascinating.  And so the idea here, to return to my original question, is that specific organ groups respond to specific frequencies?

Michael:  So, I need to go ahead and answer that question.  I'm sorry.  I'm kind of like a water fountain sometimes.  Anyway, so here's the deal.  I can make this really simple too.  As simple as on your audio set at home: treble, mid, bass.  Let's start there.  The lower the frequency, the more bass, in other words, or bottom that it possesses.  In other words, let's just say that you're driving down the road and a guy pulls next to you in his hooptie, and he's got his sub so loud that it's rattling your brain inside your cranium, right.  That only elicits the physiology of the body, the physical, the earth, the flesh in other words.  So the bass is a slow, lumbering frequency.  If you were to look at it in an oscilloscope, it's a slow, big, wide open, sine wave.

Now it's really funny in that part, like 396 for example, in the Wholetones package, or the Open Door as it's called, it's an opening frequency.  You don't start on opening frequency in a high range frequency.  It doesn't work.  You have to start at exactly what you said, at the grounding point of where you're at, and 396 opens people up, and the most exciting thing about this frequency for me is people that have shame and guilt, they deal with it, Ben, and they don't feel worthy to ever have anything good happen to them.  Suddenly, this frequency, when they sit and listen to this, suddenly they realize that not only is healing within their grasp, but they're worthy of it.

So there's this grounding that comes at the very beginning, and as you move up through the frequency realm, you move up through the body.  You move up through the audio realm.  So for example, something super low only moves your body, but it doesn't do much for your emotions, you know.  But when you get up in the mid frequencies, the 528s and up, like Yo-Yo Ma on the cello.  The guy can sit down on a stool, and play three notes, and you're crying like a baby 'cause it's working in that mid-range, which is the soul realm, or thought, will, and emotions.  It elicits feeling.  Like if you ever hear like, back in the day B.B. King could just play one note on his guitar and people start crying.  It's because that frequency range really does a number on the soul.

But as you know, the higher you get in the frequency, you begin to move past the soul realm and into the spiritual realm.  So there's high frequencies that basically elicit that type of an effect as far as opening you up to…

Ben:  Yeah.  More of the spiritual effect.  And I have the CD.  You have one, remind me what the one is called that's at the very, very highest frequency?  Like up in the 800s.

Michael:  It's 852 Hertz.

Ben:  Yeah.  What's that one called?

Michael:  It's called The Majestic.

Ben:  Yeah.  I listen to that one when I do devotions and prayer in the morning 'cause I have a few, I've had to actually get some CD players now that I have your CDs 'cause I didn't even have CD players.  So now I'm playing these in CDs, but it actually enhances like my morning meditation, my morning devotional practice because that particular Hertz frequency seems to cause more of almost like a spiritual awakening.

Michael:  Absolutely.  And people don't really understand how all of that works.  In my life, it seems almost as that I'm trying to demystify it, so I like your terminology, but I don't want people to think that it's woo-woo.  And one of the things that I tell about frequency that makes them laugh is, first of all, you could never have a phone call, you could never even have a conversation.  And, best of all, if I would have met you 50 years ago, I mean if that was possible 'cause you're not 50, and I said, “Hey, Ben!  I gotta cut a rectangular hole in the sheet rock of your kitchen, and I have this device, I'm gonna stick it in the wall, okay?  And when I'm done, you're going to be able to take any of your cold food, and shove it in there, push one button, it's gonna heat up, but you can take it out with your hand, it won't burn your fingers.”  You say, “You're a nut!  You're a weirdo!  You're a wizard!  You're a freak!”  Well, that's what we call the microwave oven, and it's an antiquated piece of kitchen equipment today.  But at the time, people look at stuff like that and they go, “What type of chicanery is this?”  Well, nothing.  It's just good technology.  So, in the very same way, frequency has been around as long as there has been anything to be around.  Frequency is a voice.  It's a voice.

Ben:  Yeah.  There's this medical device, I believe it's out of Russia, I'm actually in the process of researching it right now.  It's called a D.E.T.A., and the way that it works is it actually generates some really low frequency electromagnetic fields, like anywhere from 0.1 Hertz to 100 Hertz, and you can set it at a specific frequency to affect a different organ, right.  Like the diaphragm for example is at 91.0 Hertz, or the lungs are at 72 Hertz, or the amygdala is at 20.5 Hertz.  And if you know you have an issue with a specific organ, you can actually blast it with that particular frequency, and you can generate a healing response, or a vibrational frequency in that specific organ.  So it's really fascinating how there's some health devices, and I've even talked about pulsed electromagnetic field frequency before in the podcast.  Have you heard of this before, Michael?

Michael:  Well, remember, I'm also an inventor.

Ben:  Okay.

Michael:  So the machinery in my home is pretty shocking, but yes, I actually have a PEMF machine in my bedroom, and the machine that you're talking about is also a German machine out now.  And there is an MLM company that I won't mention now that's also trying to facilitate a Japanese machine that does similar, I think the Russian and the German machine are very superior, but yeah.  As far as I try to stay on the cutting edge of anything that's frequency-based, and all the work that's being done, your listeners might be interested to know that there is a new stylus-free turntable now that plays 12 inch records that has a laser for a needle. There's a man in Australia at the moment that is doing inoculations using frequency instead of a needle.  There's a Canadian man and his wife right now that have cleaned copious amounts of polluted water by using 528 with a frequency generator and 20,000 Watts of power.  Amazing stuff going on up there.

Ben:  Speaking of vinyl, I want to ask you about analog versus digital sound in a second.  But one other thing I should mention is that, for those of you out there who do things like listen to binaural beats, which I know a lot of folks do now for sleep, for example, or use  like these sleep apps that play sound, or for those of you that use the Earth pulse, and I've talked about the Delta Sleeper, two different devices that can be used to affect, for example, delta brain wave function while you sleep, if you use any of those type of things, you're already taking advantage of the way that frequencies affect the human body, it's just that Michael particularly excels in creating these type of frequencies into music.

Michael, but when it comes to music, and you talk about this a little bit in your book, but I have some questions for you about this.  Analog versus digital.  First of all, can you talk about the difference between the two, and why it could potentially be actually inferior to be listening to things like MP3s, and potentially even CDs, if you want to get all of the benefit out of a sound?

Michael:  I certainly can.  And again, I think it's very important that a lot of people are very combative and polarized over certain issues, like is 444 or 432 better, which we may get to, analog versus digital.  First, let me say that in the realm of sonics, both modalities are positive.  There's not a negative.  One is digital, one is analog.  Obviously, for certain reasons, the analog is preferable and I'll tell you why.  When you have an analog signal, Ben, basically it's an unretouched natural resonance of a particular note or frequency.  A digital, it captures the same note and same frequency, however, it converts it into binary or numbers.  It converts it into numbers and then those numbers recreate those particular wave patterns.

So, it's basically a difference in translation.  One for example, and I am old enough, but I remember the first time I listened in to Tchaikovsky on a 12 inch vinyl disk through all analog equipment in a Macintosh tube power amp.  It was an experience that was so enthralling and exhilarating that I wept listening to music.  However, today we carry around iPod-sized devices that fit in a shirt pocket that can carry 6,000 songs on it or whatever. And if you plug it into the earbud and you listen to it, it sounds really good until you realize that one of them is notes that have been converted into numbers versus actual frequency vibrations that are organic.  You realize the difference.  Where it gets funky is that people say, “Okay.  Well, I thought your music was analog?”  It is.  Everything that's recorded on that product is an analog instrument.  I use a proprietary method of recording to where even the digital signal gets washed through analog equipment which does make a big difference, and that's why it's sweet and transients are full, and I go to painstaking quality with the CDs to make sure that they’re actual .WAV files instead of MP3s.  However…

Ben:  Okay.  So back that up just a second.  So when listening to one of your CDs, and this something I was a little bit apprehensive about, because I read in your book that analog trumps digital, but then the actual CDs that you have are technically digital.  But you're creating those in such a way that you're maintaining some of the analog benefits?

Michael:  There is some fantastic conversion.  One of them is called SADiE, it's a SADiE system.  But there's also some fantastic real-time things you can do in the studio while recording to make sure that you're not losing transients and frequency.  So, I'm so glad we're having this conversation, where it gets interesting but still functional, is when we get into the truncated frequencies where we talk about MP3, or streaming music, or digital.  Here's the thing, we used to call it ZIP.  Remember?  You know, it was like a .ZIP file, and then you'd have to open it up.  Well, basically an MP3 is an ultra-compressed file.  So you're taking analog, you're converting it to numbers, and then squeezing it.  So if you look at it as far as size, it's a smaller postage stamp of that frequency, but what people miss in that, the positive side is that in today, the percentages of people that actually even own any analog equipment in their home is less than one percent.  And so, the only people that do are what we call audiophiles, and they've retained old record players where everything on pristine vinyl, which is the preferred way to go.

However, when you're recording, people have no idea what happens in the recording studio.  Back in the days of analog, we used 2 inch tape, Ben, and I was a master of mastering and a master of editing, and you did it with a razor blade and 3M tape, and that's how it worked back then.  And if you made a mistake, you got to do it all over again.  In the virtuosity of digital recording today, there isn't anything that you can't do, you never have to, “Can you rewind that?”  There is no, everything's virtual tracking.

So as far as ease of recording and what can be done with recording, no question about it.  There's elements of analog that a lot of people, like myself, like a lot of great producers in New York, they're finding ways to start recording drums analog, the human voice analog, certain things analog again.  And then, the only downside of it is once you get it to that place of mastering, you're still running it through tubes, Weiss mechanics, all kinds of stuff that adds warmth and roundness to it.  The only thing you've really done is converted part of the signal digital for the sake of being able to play it back, and online, people say, “Okay.  Well, you offer Wholetones digital.  Why does it work?”  Because digital still works.

One of the funniest testimonials that I have was from a lady that actually called me from Tampa, Florida.  I won't give your her name.  She's a registered nurse, and she called me on the phone, I don't know how she got my number, and she said, “I never believed that this crap could ever work.”  And I said, “Hi, I'm Michael.”  And she said, “Listen.  I've had rheumatoid arthritis for 10 years.  I'm a nurse at Tampa General.  Somebody told me about your wholetones.comwholetonesmusic.com.  So I went on there and I listened to a sample, one time, went to bed woke up in the morning, I didn't feel any pain in my body for the first time.  I thought it was a fluke.  That was two months ago.”  “My doctor,” she said, “told me that I have no more rheumatoid arthritis.  I'm a huge fan.”  And she introduced me to the medical community, and doctors now find the validity in what I'm doing because of what's happening and because they're using, so many doctors are using mood music therapy today.  It's shocking.  They're finally use it even in post-surgery.  You know, post-invasive surgery that brings healing in a fraction of the time it used to take it, and so it speeds up convalescence as well.

So anyway, I just said all that to say that if somebody listen to a sample on my web site, I mean, that's like Uber compressed.  You know how quick you gotta load those things.  They get your web right.  And if people are getting healed listening to that, the question is: is analog better?  Absolutely.  It's richer.  Is the average person going to hear a difference between those frequencies?  Absolutely not.  Absolutely not.

Ben:  Okay.  So you don't have to have a vinyl record turntable per se.  You just have to ensure that if you're using music that has been tuned to the specific frequency that has been produced using this kind of analog, I guess, like analog retention type of equipment that you use when you create these CDs.  Is there a name for that system that you use, if someone wanted to like look at the cover of a CD and see if it was recorded using that technique?

Michael:  Well, in the mastering portion, in the information you can look for SADiE, S-A-D-I-E, systems is one of the things…

Ben:  S-A-D-I-E?

Michael:  Uhuh.  And the rest of the stuff that I use are all different types of audio washes.  Like I use Neve transformers, I use all tube stuff.  My theory is if it doesn't glow, it's gotta go.  Everything runs through tubes, and everything I can do to retain that sonic analog criteria, I do.  Where it's at all possible.

Ben:  Okay.  I see that SADiE recording software actually has a website, and by the way, for those of you who are listening in, I'm taking notes on everything that Michael is talking about, and you can access the show notes for today's episode at bengreenfieldfitness.com/tones.  That's bengreenfieldfitness.com slash T-O-N-E-S.

Michael, I have a few other questions.  First of all, the best way to use these CDs, like when I got them, I've just been experimenting, right.  Like I’m playing them in the car, playing them when I'm getting a massage, I'm playing with my kids, but like there's seven of them, and they're each 22 minutes long.  Is there any type of recommended system that you have for getting the most benefit out of them?  Like should I listen to one each day of the week?  Should I just kind of mix and match as I see fit?  I mean, what's the best way to use these?

Michael:  Well, for the most part, Ben, people are the best judge on an individual basis, which I think obviously, I'm like you, I'm a huge advocate of people supplementing and taking care of their human bodies, and not trusting other sources or government to take care of themselves.  With that being said, there's one thing I tell everyone.  If you're going to do this, you have to at least commit to the opening frequency.  And then if you read the book, it goes into great detail about what you, like you said, what each one of those, what they can expect to see, what part of their body will be affected by each of those frequencies.  So what I tell people, if time is of the essence, always start with the first disc, 396, 396 Hertz, The Open Door, and that prepares you for whatever else you choose.  Let's say, let's just use it, for example, let's say…

Ben:  Let's say, I drink too much and I know my liver needs some help.

Michael: (laughs)

Ben:  Not that anyone listening in ever drinks too much.  Let's just use that as a fun example.

Michael:  Which is a great one.  And there's different times and certain things, I'll give you a great example.  Let's just say, okay, the way that my body process is I have a hangover.  Well, 417 works best for a hangover.  Let's say that I drank too much and I have an upset stomach, 741 works better for that.  Let's say that I have mild case of cirrhosis of the liver, now we're talking 528.  So it really depends, but my main point is that the book gives a great overview of the application.

Here's a funny one.  I did a wedding.  I actually officiated at a wedding in Texas.  I got sick to my stomach about an hour before the wedding, and I'm thinking, “Oh no,” 'cause it was a really, I mean it felt like food poisoning.  So, I put on one frequency that's notorious for helping with the stomach and it did it.  And so when I put on 741, within 15 minutes of the 22 minutes and 22 seconds, the stomach ache disappeared.  Well, I found that one works better for something that is bad that you ate as opposed to an acid reflux, or something that's wrong with your digestive.  So, see what I mean?  So you're going to know the best, but what I always tell people is you need to set aside at least 44 minutes and 44 seconds somewhere in your day to listen to The Open Door first, and then whatever one of those frequencies that adheres to your issue the best.  The ultimate scenario, what we do in my house is we have speakers all over a house.  So I leave it on 24/7 and I just let it play through, I let it filter through everything around the clock at a low volume.

Ben:  Yeah.  So when you're saying leave 44 minutes available, that can count as like time in your car, for example.

Michael:  Absolutely.  Anywhere.  It doesn't have to be a focus therapy like some things are.  Like you can move around, you can do lighthouse work, you can be in another room.  You’ll find that you can be upstairs, and the music could disappear, but you'll hear that frequency just as loud as you do if you went back downstairs again.  It travels.

Ben:  Okay.  Gotcha, cool.  That's good to know because I plan on playing this all over my house.

Michael:  Awesome.

Ben:  A few other questions for you.  Tuning forks.  I ran into this lady at a health conference who is using tuning forks and she used a specific tuning fork and kind of put it near a different area of your body to target a specific region or organ.  What are your thoughts on tuning forks as therapy?  Is this the same concept or a tuning fork is something completely different?

Michael:  It's a very similar therapy, if you think about it.  It's all about vibration.  The only thing I would say, and of course I mean I have a lot of friends that have companies and I love it.  The only thing I can say about tuning forks is, you think about how long that vibration lasts.  Does it work?  Yes.  I mean, can I put it in a cranial sacral point, and hit a particular thing, and will it work on that particular part?  Yes.  But what I'm talking about is something sustainable.  I mean actually in essence, and I am working on a new project, I just can't talk about it yet.  But the longer that I did that, let's say I had a tuning fork that lasted for 30 minutes, now we're talking.  If I could put that tuning fork on a particular part of my body, Ben, and it vibrated at the precise frequency necessary for 30 minutes, now we're talking.  But you got to remember, even if you're multiply striking it, there's always a transient point between the strike and the note.  And most people that use that therapy, they don't do it for 5, 10, 20, 30 minutes.  So, yes.  I think it's awesome.  I think it works much better if you have a sustainable solid underlayment of frequency to which what Wholetones is, and most people don't know this.

The music is the spoonful of sugar. The medicine that goes down is the frequency that's the underlayment bed underneath that music.  And so, if I stripped away the music and you just listen to that tone for 22 minutes and 22 seconds, you would still get massive therapy.  And I think that's where other modalities kind of miss that a little is that, like I said, strike, response, strike, response, it's like you're breaking up and adding transients points.  Even if you want to do that for 30 minutes, you're much better off listening to something that's continuous.

Ben:  Got it.  Okay.  So if I don't have access to like a CD or music that I can play long term, I could potentially have one of these tuning forks that produces specific vibrational sound frequencies for healing.  But ideally, if I want to do it for long periods of time, a CD would be ideal.

Michael:  Well I can tell you right now, if you wanted to use a tuning fork, as long as you sampled it and it was seamless, where there wasn't like a bit rate issue, or there wasn't splits between it, it would work.  But what I did was, and I don't mind telling you because you get it, I couldn't use a frequency generator or any type of anything that was not analog.  So people say, “How did you make that beautiful,” because I got so disgusted by what I heard on YouTube and it was so.  I mean, it all sounded just like when your TV goes off at one in the morning, it just makes that (beeping sound).  It's like, who could listen to that?  And so, I got a crystal vase and an eyedropper and I filled it with water until it pegged the frequency meter on my recording software, and when I hit it 12 o'clock, I sampled it.  And so everything you're listening in the bottom are real wood strings, analog strings, and on the other side are crystal vases full of water making that tone.

Ben:  Yeah.  It's amazing.  Just this concept of crystal and sound healing, and I don't know, have you ever been to like crystal and sound healing centers where they'll actually just bombard your body with crystals, or gongs, or different forms of sound therapy.  There's literally a practitioner there just like walking around you, bombarding your body with frequencies.

Michael:  I haven't done that.  I've been to obviously a lot of places where they used Tibetan balls in places out in California that was a frequency center that they had nonstop stuff playing there.  But, yeah, I mean it's awesome.

Ben:  Yeah.  That's actually on my list of things to do, and I've done some sound healing, but there's apparently a guy in Sedona, one of my friends, Aubrey Marcus who runs this supplement company called Onnit.  He swears by this guy.  When you have like muscle or soft tissue issues and injuries, this guy can actually heal, he does like a combination of body work and sound therapy, and that was where I got the idea to play your music while my massage therapist was working up on me.  And I think I've actually tapped into something.  I think if you're a massage therapist and you're listening in, grab some of Michael's CDs and play them for your clients, and like I mentioned, the Sound of David frequency was the one that I have my massage therapist play, but I may experiment with some others.  And then I use like your 800 and some odd Hertz, whatever it is for…

Michael:  852.

Ben:  Yeah.  852 for devotions and prayer, and stuff like that in the morning.  But man, I think this stuff is fascinating.  I think that some people raise an eyebrow at it, with good cause, like I'm all about being skeptical, but at the same you cannot deny, when it comes to frequencies that they not only affect the human body, but they affect water, they affect plants.  I think you and I, Michael, would probably even argue that in the stories in the Bible about how they blow trumpets and knocked down the walls of Jericho and things like that, that there's probably something to that, that you could actually…

Michael:  Oh, yeah.

Ben:  You can do quite a bit with either chaotic frequencies or healing frequencies.  Michael, your wealth of knowledge, and I could talk to you a lot more about music and sound.  I know your time is limited and I think we've given folks a little bit to work with here as far as getting their head spinning when it comes to sound, and healing with music, and frequencies.  So here's the deal: if you're listening in, go to bengreenfieldfitness.com/tones.  You can get Michael's stuff on Amazon, like his book, his CDs, et cetera.  I'll put a link to some of the other things that we talked about too.  Things like binaural beats, things like tuning forks, Biomats, all this jazz if you want to completely geek out.  The sky's the limit.  I'm a big fan of paying attention to invisible variables in your life like air, light, water, electricity, and of course sound.

So Michael, thank you for coming on the show, for sharing the stuff with us, and for doing the research that you did, and for creating these Wholetones CDs.

Michael:  Well, it's an honor, Ben.  And my whole thing is I just want to see people get better.  If this helps them in any way, and according to, like I said, tens of thousands of testimonials, it is, and what I do with my life helps me sleep good at night.

Ben:  I love it.  Alright. Well, folks, again if you're listening in, you can go to bengreenfieldfitness.com/tones to take a listen or investigate a little bit more.  And until next time, I'm Ben Greenfield along with Michael Tyrrell, signing out from bengreenfieldfitness.com.  Have a healthy week.

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Quick question: when was the last time you listened to music?

Or white noise?

Or “binaural beats”?

Or any other form of audio?

And did you ever give any thought to the frequency of the actual wavelengths of sound contained within that audio?

Until recently, I didn’t. I had no clue that frequencies of sound, frequencies of music, and even the frequencies of the piano that my kids practice each day or the guitar and ukelele that I practice each day can actually affect cognitive function, heart health, liver, kidneys, digestion, drive, mood and much, much more.

But at a recent health summit, someone handed me a book called “The Sound Of Healing”, written by author Michael Tyrrell…along with a handful of CD’s that Michael had recorded. These CD’s, called “Wholetones” are described as music that “heals, repairs, and protects against disease.”

So, skeptical but curious, I sat down and read the entire Sound Of Healing book, and I began occasionally listening to the CD’s while driving, while getting a massage, while sitting in my sauna, etc. Every time I finished a CD, I had such a unique feeling of elation and satisfaction after listening, I downloaded a digital tuning app and retuned my guitar and my ukelele to the “frequencies” Michael described in the book. This may all seem a bit “woo-woo”, but it made a huge difference in the ability of a song to make me feel uplifted and full of positive energy as I played it.

I managed to get Michael on today’s podcast, and during our discussion you’ll discover:

-Why the music and sound you listen to every day is not tuned the right way and can actually be destroying organ function…

-How sound frequencies affect the human body, water, plants and more…

-How to “re-tune” music and sound to heal organs and provide therapy to the body…

-How to combine light and sound to de-stress your body…

-Why digital sound from CD’s and mp3’s are not as good as analog sound from things like vinyl albums, and what you can do about it if you don’t want to buy a vinyl record turntable…

-The best way to use the sound to heal your body and to target specific organ systems…

-What Michael thinks about the use of tuning forks as vibrational sound therapy…

-How can a musician “re-tune” their instrument to the correct frequency…

-And much more…

Resources from this episode:

The WholeTones Healing CD’s

The Sound Of Healing book

Digital tuning device

The fluoride “deception” conspiracy podcast I recorded

The Biomat device

Royal Rife

–DETA electromagnetic bioresonance devices

DELTASleeper device

Earthpulse device

SADIE recording software

Tuning the Human Biofield book (tuning fork therapy)
Read more https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2016/07/how-to-use-wholetones-music/






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One thought on “[Transcript] – Unleashing The Phenomenon Of Using Sound & Music For Performance, Recovery, Healing & More.

  1. Noah Kalos says:

    Dear Ben,

    I listened to your podcast interviewing Michael regarding sound healing music over the summer and as a musician was blown away by the inaccuracies. Michael seems really interested in whole HZ values however, the HZ is relative based entirely on the second which is inturn based on I believe the radio active decay of cesium and thus has very little to do with the human body. I work in the music industry and was also blown away by the fact that someone approaching this “scientifically” doesn’t know this difference between hertz and cents. when you transcribed the podcast you accidental transcribed cents to sets. Michael describes setting his music 4 cents higher to achieve a=444 however a cent is now a hz and is infact a exponential scale related to how we here pitch, which hertz are linear based on how many vibrations per second. you cannot achieve a=444 by simply pitching up by 4 cents. there is a lot more wrong with this that I don’t have time to get into. but this guy doesn’t know his stuff at all and in the entire podcast never directly answers your questions.

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