[Transcript] – Fast-Tracking Your Body To Ketosis, Biohacking Hypoxic Performance, Marijuana Legalization, Constipation & More With JP Sears.

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Podcast from:  https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2017/05/jp-spears-podcast-on-how-to-be-ultra-spiritual-much-more/

[00:00] Introduction/Reach Higher Nutrition

[02:28] Crik Nutrition

[05:44] About https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2016/07/transcript-how-to-maintain-muscle/

[11:28] The Legalization Of Marijuana?

[16:58] Gluten Sensitivities

[20:49] Ketosis

[34:46] Increasing Fat Intake/ Coconut Oil

[36:28] Quick Commercial Break/GainsWave

[38:30] BiOptimizers

[41:56] Going Vegan

[48:56] Exercise

[59:57] Dealing With Constipation

[1:07:16] Sex

[1:10:40] Biohacking Chakras

[1:20:44] Using Other Plant-Based Medicines

[1:26:18] JP's Favorite Tip From His Book

[1:31:11] End of Podcast

Ben:  Hey, you guys.  What's up?  It's Ben Greenfield.  I hope you're ready for some epic, epic biohacking tips on today's episode.  Are you a biohacker? Or do you want to be a biohacker, or do you get jealous of all the biohackers you see walking down the street?  Well then, today's episode is going to blow your mind.  But before we jump into today's show, I want to tell you about this stuff called Reach Higher.  Reach Higher, and no it's not an arm lengthening service or some kind of biohack for breaking your legs and elongating the bones in your femurs, it's actually these two different formulas that this company called Reach Higher Nutrition developed.  And they're really interesting, like unique formulas.  One is tryptophan, tyrosine, taurine, GABA, whatever that is, I'm not a scientist, I don't know, and phenylalanine, DL-Phenylalanine, if I can talk today.  Anyways, you put all that together and what it does is those are all things that fill the voids in the everyday diet, specifically different amino acids that assist with neurotransmitter formation.  So it helps to decreasing anxiety, and it helps to vent food cravings, and all these weird things that can happen when you have neurotransmitter imbalance.  It's called State Of Mind.

And then, as if that weren't enough, the same company, Reach Higher Nutrition, they also developed this other one called State Of Sleep, which is kind of similar.  It's tryptophan, it's GABA, like an inhibitory neurotransmitter, it's taurine, and it's glycine.  And it's specifically for people who have trouble kind of like staying asleep and also people who wake up not feeling as though they're very well-rested.  It works really well for both of those issues.  So you can learn more about them, and you can also get a 20% discount off of anything they make over at reachhighernutrition.com.  Just like it sounds like, reachhighernutrition.com.  And the code that you want to use is Ben20, that gets you 20% off.  Ben20 at reachhighernutrition.com.  So check out these all-natural formulas with no weird things in them, just natural stuff your body's kind of supposed to make but it just helps to fill in the voids.

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In this episode of The Ben Greenfield Fitness Show:

“What our ancestors would have been walking on this very rich soil properly aerated with earthworms that weren't killed by chemicals that didn't exist yet would have a great water holding capacity, wonderful crumb structure to it.  So basically, our ancestors were rebounding all day.”  “I did a three hour meditation, but it only took me five minutes.  So I biohacked my way into such a deep meditative state by squeezing my pelvic floor muscles.  What that does is it sends an energetic wave of kundalini energy up through all the chakras.”

Ben:  Hey, folks.  It's Ben Greenfield.  And my guest on today's show is actually one of the world's, I would consider him to be one of the world's leading biohackers, a guy that I've kind of looked up to and watched for a while.  And he's also a pretty well-versed and highly educated expert on nutrition, he is a fitness coach, he's also a spirituality guru.  As a matter of fact, he's just written a brand new book called “How To Be Ultra Spiritual: 12 1/2 Steps To Spiritual Superiority“.  He may indeed be one of the most cutting edge guests who I've ever had on the show when it comes to basically like a full working knowledge of everything from ancestrally appropriate diets like ketosis and veganism, as our ancestors would have eaten, to really efficient workout strategies like thermogenesis and hypoxic training, to optimizing your gut health with some pretty cool little known fringe tactics, to of course achieving, like I mentioned earlier, the most important thing ultimate spiritual enlightenment.  So I think we're going to have a really, really good chat today.

His work empowers people of all levels from around the globe to live much more meaningful life, and I know he's experienced the ability to even inspire great thinkers like Tony Robbins and me, and he has a really popular YouTube channel as well.  And I will link to all of his really, really good information if you just go to bengreenfieldfitness.com/spiritual.  That's bengreenfieldfitness.com/spiritual.  If you don't know how to spell “spiritual”, just Google it.  Anyways though, also if you hear in the background, and I'm going to apologize to you, JP, my guest on today's show, if you hear in the background the sound of something like an air compression, that's not me farting.  I'm actually wearing my compression boots while we're podcasting today 'cause I'm at my standing workstation and I think they're good for the blood flow going up and down and they'll also keep me from getting a deep vein thrombosis as we record.

JP:  That's good.  I'm going to use that excuse the next time I'm in bed with my girlfriend and I have gas.  I'll just let her know I have compression boots on.

Ben:  Yeah.  Exactly.  Well, they're not compression boots.  They're gradated compression boots.

JP:  That sounds like a made-up word.  But Ben I want to tell you, with your introduction of me, which I can't believe you got an introduction of me in in under 45.  So even with your abbreviated introduction, I think you kind of played it pretty humble, maybe a little too humble.  I mean, I know you mentioned you've learned a lot from me, but I think we should also mention that I've taught you everything you know.  And I've even taught you more than you know.  So I know you as being humble, and I'm pretty humble too, I'm actually the most humble person I know, but I just thought the listeners would really benefit in knowing whatever it was I just said.

Ben:  Yeah.  Well most people, they do know that I haven't really professed much in the past to have a mentor per se.  But as far as like a guru, and an instructor, and an educator, and someone who really has taught me most of what I know, yeah, you're basically at the top of the totem pole.

JP:  Yeah.  Well, thank you.  I love totem poles.  Really any kind of pole, I love.  And I also endorse the idea of not having mentors.  I think just like your perspective, a guru is much superior to a mentor and a way cheaper because gurus don't charge fees, mentors usually do.  But gurus typically have mandatory donations that are much higher, not fee, but shall we say monetary commitment.

Ben:  Right, right.  Exactly.  There's so many places that we could start here, JP, and for those you not familiar with my guest, his full name is JP Sears.  JP Sears.  By the way JP, what does JP stand for?

JP:  Just Perfect.

Ben:  Okay.  Just Perfect.  So JP has a YouTube channel that is extremely educational.  It's perfect for families, for children to gather around and watch during dinner, for example, which we usually do on a on a nightly basis just so my kids can get exposed to my own personal guru.  But one of the things, one of the more kind of like family friendly topics I wanted to just delve into right away here, because I noticed it's one of the newer videos that you've posted, is weed.  Specifically the marijuana version of weed.  And I'm curious, just because so many people are kind of into plant-based medicine these days, everything from microdosing to going on vision quests, what is your take on marijuana in terms of kind of the debate right now as far as legalization of it?

JP:  Yeah.  Well first off, I feel like we would both be a little more astute if we called marijuana cannabis.  Is that okay with you, Ben?

Ben:  Yeah.  I think cannabis would probably be a little bit more scientific.  Or cannabidiol.  Or cannabis.  Or Mary Jane.

JP:  Yeah.  We'll just kind of sophisticate up this conversation a little bit.  And before we get into the specifics of cannabis, you mentioned microdosing.  And from my mind hacking experience, what I find far more effective than microdosing is macrodosing.  So in this case, more of a substance is always going to give you a more powerful result.  The evidence hasn't really come back as a more powerful result actually.  A better result, or not, we don't really know.  But microdosing is not going to give you a powerful result.  So back to your question about…

Ben:  That was profound, by the way.

JP:  Thank you.  We should record this and let other people listen to it.

Ben:  I am.  I pressed record when we first, I don't know if I told you that.

JP:  Wow.  I am.  Those are powerful words, Ben.  You're so majestic.  Legalizing, cannabis, it should be illegal to make it illegal, which like two negatives multiplied together make a positive.  So should it be legalized?  Yes.  That's only math.  And what we have to look at with cannabis is it's a medicine.  It's not an herb, it's not a plant, it's a plant medicine, and I think way more effective than using any kind of medicine to treat a symptom is using the medicine to prevent issues from coming up.  So you know how some people would go to their doctor and get a prescription 'cause they've got back pain and bowels that just unleash.  I'd say we need to take those medications before we have the problem, because an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.  So when we're looking at a very powerful natural medicine like cannabis, we realize there's a lot of diseases that we need to prevent.  And do you know what that means, Ben?

Ben:  What?

JP:  It means you need to use a lot of cannabis and you need to use it often because we're out to prevent, not treat.

Ben:  That's true.  And that's probably really one of the more flawed aspects of Western medicine, when you think about it, is this concept of popping pills, to put a Band-Aid over an issue versus macrodosing with plant-based medicine to put a Band-Aid over an issue.

JP:  Yeah.  Why use a pill when you can inhale smoke right to put a Band-Aid over the issue.  And it is a scientific fact, in my opinion, that there are no addictive qualities about cannabis.  So it's completely safe.  I know people who have used cannabis every single day, multiple times per day for the past 20 years, and they haven't gotten addicted.  So we need to really realize we're dealing with a substance that has no negative consequences.  In fact, it's the first substance that we've ever discovered that has no negative consequences.  It's really a miracle.

Ben:  You know what's sad is that is that more people don't really know about the health effects of it and the non-addictive properties, when in fact it could probably heal a lot of folks.  I mean you take one of the really the ravages of our modern post-industrial era, and that would be something that, I guess it might fly under the radar a lot these days, but you're seeing it mentioned more and more, and that would be concept of gluten, G-L-U-T-E, I'm blanking.  I think it's…

JP:  Gluten?

Ben:  It's not important.  But basically the idea is that it apparently is responsible for most of the diseases that people get, that marijuana, or any of these plant-based medicines, could easily fix.

JP:  Cannabis.

Ben:  Yeah, I'm sorry.  Cannabis.  I know that you've personally done quite a bit of studying up on this thing that's basically ravaging society, this gluten thing.  I think a lot of people though don't even know about whether or not they're personally sensitive to it.  So when we're talking about using cannabis to heal a variety of diseases, I think gluten would probably be a disease that's at the top of that list.  But how can somebody figure out whether or not they can personally actually handle gluten?

JP:  Well, Ben, gluten is not a disease.  It's a protein found in grains that will cause diseases.

Ben:  Okay.

JP:  I would write that down.  So how you can figure out can you handle gluten, here's the test.  And this is as medical as it can get.  Can you go to a restaurant and order a damn meal off the menu without altering it?  If so, chances are your body does just fine with gluten.  But if you go to a restaurant and you need to talk to the waiter for 15 minutes making substitutions, and asking questions, and coming at the waiter with a sense of asserting your dominance over them through dogmatic feelings of victimization and a self-righteous attitude, then there's a really good chance you're actually sensitive to gluten.

Ben:  Interesting.  That's a good test.  It seems it would probably be more accurate than some of the skin prick or blood tests.

JP:  Yeah.  The antibodies and the blood and the saliva, they don't really behave like our behavior does.  So just observing your behavior is the most direct way to notice whether or not you're gluten intolerant.  And I personally, I've been gluten intolerant my whole life.  And I've really worked hard to up my game of being gluten intolerant.  Now I've progressed to the point where I'm intolerant to people who can tolerate gluten.  So I've been getting great results.  I've also recently had my mother arrested for attempted murder because she fed me gluten when I was a child.

Ben:  Seriously?

JP:  Yeah.  And Ben, do you know what can happen after 97 years of low grade intestinal inflammation?  It can actually kill a person.  So, yeah.  We've got some indictments going out against my mom.

Ben:  Wow.  I mean I've heard about that, for example, the gut-brain axis before and how eating certain things can affect the nervous system.  I didn't really realize that there was a direct correlation though between gluten and death.

JP:  Not just death, but murder.

Ben:  So what would be an example of a common substitute that you might make at a restaurant to elucidate whether or not you actually are gluten intolerant?

JP:  Well, elucidate isn't really a word, but I'm going to take your question anyway, Ben.  Typically what I like to do is substitute bread that tastes good in favor of bread that's really coagulated brick of mysterious flowers that has the density of a black hole and the dryness of the desert.  It's just really enjoyable to pretend that I'm enjoying the gluten-free alternatives.

Ben:  Right, right.  Exactly.  And do you, when you consume that type of bread and they bring that gluten-free bread out as a substitute, do you eat that by itself or are you into this concept of, I guess it goes by the name now more or less of ketosis where you're somehow stabilizing your blood sugar, or lowering your blood sugar, lowering your inflammation, or even increasing your IQ by anywhere from a hundred to 200 points by adding actual fats in along with the gluten-free bread?

JP:  Yeah.  So I'm always, personally, I'm always doing a ketogenic diet except when I want to eat carbohydrates.  And so with that said, I typically have my bread and butter with just butter, lots of it.  Because the thing I like best about ketosis is that everybody's talking about it.  And there's, don't tell anybody, but there's a part of me that feels left out when other people are doing things and I'm not doing that thing.

Ben:  Right.  Okay.  So in terms of something like ketosis and the fact that it sounds like you've been doing it for a while, do you have tips that you've discovered, like practical tips for someone if they really wanted to maximize their blood levels of ketones, or their level of ketosis?

JP:  Yeah.  We need to take the theory, we'll call it the discourse, we've already given on microdosing and realizing that macrodosing is actually more than microdosing and therefore superior to microdosing, we want to apply that to ketosis and realize that if fat is a good thing, then and absurd amount of fat is a better thing.  So how do know if you're…

Ben:  “More is better” is a core health concept.  I mean we endorse that on this show quite a bit when it comes to anything from ketosis, to avoiding gluten, to smoking marijuana, or any of these things.  I interrupted you.  So more is better.

JP:  Yeah.  And that sounds like a well thought out and pretty responsible philosophy.  And if more is better, then we'd also realize that best is better than better is, and what's the best is when we monitor our blood levels of ketones, how we know we've had too much fat, or a little too ketogenic, if you will, is when we start to have a small amount of what we might call disaster pants.  So when you're just meeting that threshold, the beauty of this test is you don't have to bother using any instruments with your blood to measure anything, you just observe your underpants.  So when you're noticing a small amount of disaster pants, that's the point where you want to consume a lot more fat.

Ben:  Okay.  Got it.  So in the presence of something like anal leakage, for example, you would actually use that as sign to…

JP:  I didn't know we were talking about sex, but go on.  I'm intrigued.

Ben:  Would you actually use that as a sign of a need for more fats then, if you were experiencing things like fatty-based stools in your underpants, or in the even in the toilet bowl for example, that's actually sign that you need more fats?

JP:  Yeah.  So if it's a small amount of anal leakage, that's the sign that you need a lot more fats.  But if it's a large amount of anal leakage, so let's just say you have to change not only your underpants, but also your pants, so that test result's coming back and saying like, “Okay, I've had a large amount of anal leakage and I probably don't need to eat any more fat for at least 15 more minutes.”

Ben:  Okay.  Got it.  So you really wouldn't need a breath ketone measurement device or a blood ketone strip, a lot of people will use the Precision Xtra blood ketone strips to see if they're one millimolar, or three millimolar, basically what you do is you just pull down your pants and you look at the actual amount of crap or fat you've deposited into your pants and that allows you to at least approximate your millimolar levels.

JP:  Yeah.  And I realize we're not really defining crap.  A lot of people will define it with a sense of solidness, but that's not really what we're dealing with.  We're dealing more with in a liquid state.  Ben, you know how matter can either be in a solid, liquid, or a gaseous state?  Right now, we're not talking about gas or solid but the liquid state.  So let's just realize that's how we're defining crap.  And with those measurement devices, I personally don't endorse them for two reasons.  One, I don't know how to use them.  Two, they cost money and I would rather just spend money on other things that I would enjoy more.  Which ironically I have a very large portion of my budget each month devoted to buying new underpants.

Ben:  Right, right.  Exactly.  Well, I mean that plus cannabis, it starts to add up as the two main staples of a good healthy, I guess spiritual guru would be how I define you at this point, although I know you have plenty of other titles that we could go by.  When it comes to this ketogenic diet thing though, I think one of the trickiest parts is actually getting enough fat, actually figuring out ways to maximize fat intake.  ‘Cause I mean let's face it, it can be hard to find good fat sources these days.  It's few and far between, in between these giant lows of gluten-free brick-like bread.  So when it comes to you and the ways that you've biohacked your ability to be able to deposit more fats into your mouth, do you have any tips for people who really, really want to maximize their ketosis through something like increased intake of fat?

JP:  Well, I think the magical way to do that is with coconut oil.  And really the challenge that a lot of people face when they're trying to increase their fat intake to a degree that's far beyond what their body can actually use is we actually have a reflex that comes up.  We get the hormone CCK released, cholecystokinin, and it can actually make you want to throw up when you're eating way too much fat for yourself.  So you have to really, really learn how to suppress your gag reflex. So, Ben, if you wouldn't mind, maybe I could just ask you to write a blog post on how to maximize a ketogenic diet by suppressing your gag reflex.  I think you would be a good person to bring that information out into the world.

Ben:  Right.  So basically you're talking like the opposite of bulimia.  Rather than eating a lot of food and then purging, you'd want to eat as much fat as possible and then figure out a way to actually somehow keep yourself from throwing it back up?

JP:  Absolutely.  So just like you said, it's the opposite of the eating disorder.  It's eating order.

Ben:  Right, right.  Exactly.  It makes sense.  I mean it's logical that this would be an orderly way of eating.  You mentioned coconut oil, and I know you mentioned butter as well, do you have any ways that you actually, I guess maximize the delivery of that?  Is there a certain type of blending that would actually allow you to get as much of the butter or the coconut oil as possible without triggering that gag reflex?

JP:  First off, I will say that I use to just eat coconuts trying to get enough coconut oil, and it's not going to work.  Besides, like when I would eat the shell of the coconut, I can't say for sure, but I think that actually caused severe intestinal bleeding far worse than anything gluten would cause.  So now I'm…

Ben:  Plants can be toxic to the intestinal tract.  I mean when you compare them to things like butter, or coconut oil, or cannabis, or gluten, they're probably pretty high up there in terms of their ability to cause damage.

JP:  Yeah.  That's weird.  So when I was eating the broken shards of the coconut shell, you're right, it probably had some kind of toxin in it that when released, it would actually cause tearing in my small intestine.

Ben:  There's a lot of really interesting evidence.  I don't know if you've seen this about how plants have like this built in mechanism to where when you eat them, they can cause digestive damage because the plants seed.  The plants are intelligent.  They want their seed or their fruit to be, more or less, as gross as it is to think about, but I guess we ventured into this territory already, they want to be pooped out in different places by the mammals that eat them.  So it would make sense that ancient man at some point probably would have developed almost like this relationship with the coconut, and specifically eating the entire shell of the coconut to where their gut might have developed that response of bleeding, for example, in response to coconut shards.  So it seems like a pretty ancestral response, but what did you do?  Did you just figure out a different way to get at the coconut fats?

JP:  Yeah.  So I just started buying jars of coconut oil.  It's seemingly far easier.  And I think the key to getting enough fats through coconut oil is to use coconut oil, not only on everything, but for everything.  I use coconut oil in my hair, I use coconut oil in my sex life.  Coconut oil is excellent at preventing cancer because coconuts don't get cancer, therefore do the math: coconuts will prevent cancer.  And I can't really say enough about how wonderful my hair looks.  Ben have you heard of Native Americans?

Ben:  I believe so.  You mean Americans who are actually who are native, or who…?

JP:  Yeah.  So they arrived, I'm not sure what it was, like 10 years or 20 years after Christopher Columbus discovered America.  So what the Native Americans believed…

Ben:  And they invented popcorn, correct?

JP:  I believe so.  Yeah.  And they decided to voluntarily give up all their land to people with guns.  It's interesting.  But anyway, the Native Americans have a belief that when you have long hair, your hair actually acts as a spiritual antenna to absorb energy and information from the cosmos.  And because I believe that to be true, why wouldn't it work with coconut oil?  So I have a theory, and I think theoretically my theory is more than just a theory, that putting coconut oil on your hair not only makes your hair look damn good, but it helps you absorb more coconut oil than if you were just eating it, and it helps you absorb the energy of the coconut oil better.

Ben:  Interesting.  There's actually really good book about this, it's by a guy named Bruce Lipton.  It's the Biology of Belief, and he goes into about how a lot of these like photons or invisible variables without us actually touching them can indeed enhance our bodies.  And it sounds to me like a perfect example of this would be like putting coconut oil into your hair, that would actually allow you to get more of specifically things like the photons or the energetic frequencies that the coconut oil carries.  But it also sounds like it's a perfect way to deliver extra fats to the body and possibly, have you found that when you put it in your hair based on your measurements of ketosis that, you tend to go deeper into ketosis or you tend to cycle through your underpants a little bit more frequently?

JP:  You know, I'd like to think so, Ben.  I need to pay a little bit more attention to that before the results are really in.  But what I can say is when I wear underpants on my head, they definitely get greasier faster than when I don't have underpants on my head.

Ben:  Right, right.  Exactly.  And by the way, you do have a beautiful head of hair.  For those of you listening, I'll put a picture of JP over at bengreenfieldfitness.com/spiritual if you would like.  And one other question before we switch to, maybe talk a little bit more about plants then fats.  When it comes to coconut oil or butter, did you have any other tips that you wanted to give folks in terms of like maximizing their oil or fat intake?  Aside from, obviously, one of the more beneficial tips you've given out so far, putting it in your hair to increase absorption.

JP:  Well, we definitely want to put lots of grass-fed butter and lots of MCT oil, or coconut oil if you're poor, into your coffee and blend the crap out of it.  It is absolutely divine and it's trendy.  When you have trendy multiplied by divine, or divinity, or division, then it's not multiplication anymore because it's division.

Ben:  Yeah.  That makes sense.  Plus it's a very good way, I think I saw you do, it may have been on PubMed, it also may have been on your YouTube channel, the fact that that actually allows you to stay in a more fasted state when you add as much butter as possible to the coffee, or as much coconut oil, or MCT oil, to the coffee.  Is that correct?

JP:  Yeah.  I love doing intermittent fasting.  And I find it just so mysterious how when I eat 1700 calories worth of fat in my coffee, like I don't need to eat food as long as I drink my food.  So it helps me stay committed to my fast much more easily.  It's almost like I get full when I eat a full amount of calories by drinking them through coffee.  So that's the best way to fast, by making sure to get a good 1700 calories worth of fat in your coffee.

Ben:  Yeah.

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Ben:  It's sad how much we've kind of like strayed from our ancestral roots by doing things like consuming grains and cereals as a breakfast, or as a way to bring in the day, or, for example, frying up pastured eggs, or having something like toast.  I mean these are…

JP:  So unnatural.

Ben:  Yeah.  It's a crazy post-industrial practice, but I mean I like that you highlight the fact that we actually can almost like hack ourselves into a more ancestral way of living by doing something like getting our 9,000 to 17,000 calories in the morning with our coffee by blending some of these fats into the coffee and staying, as our ancestors would have, in that ketogenic or that intermittent fasted state for as long as possible.  It's just sad to me that more people haven't tapped into it.

JP:  Just like the ancestors.

Ben:  Right.  Now what about what if somebody really doesn't respond well to all this fat?  Like they just don't feel good, they get brain fog, they get high cholesterol, which we know now doesn't cause heart disease, but can at least result in some pretty intense arguments on Reddit.  If somebody doesn't respond well to that fat, do you have tips if someone wanted to switch to a vegan or vegetarian-based diet?  Like are there good ways that someone can become vegan or can enhance veganism once they're there?

JP:  Yeah.  I mean some people will catch veganism naturally.  But if someone actually wants to self-induce the disease state, there are a few tips that I have.  One, is it's so important to project your self-hatred onto people who eat me.  I mean that's going to save you years of nutritional trial and error trying to get complete proteins from plants.  It's a biohack to veganism.  That was beautiful.  That felt very poetic.  And I also, as a hardcore vegan for my past three lifetimes, I think all of us vegans can realize that what we stand for is the complete eradication of animals off the face of the earth.  Because it's clear that as vegans, we think it's not only wrong to eat animals, we think it's wrong to be an animal.  And I think together if vegans can unite and if we can infect more people, then together as a whole, we can really rid the world of animals.

Ben:  But aren't there ways that we could take animal foods and somehow make them a little bit more vegan or a little bit more plant-based?

JP:  Well, if you're talking about plant-based meat substitutes, yes.  I mean when we do the math, we figure out, okay, if you're a vegan, then what you want most is the taste of meat, the texture of meat, as well as the sensation that an animal was murdered and you're about to eat it.  I mean we want all those as vegans.  So going for the plant-based meat substitute is obviously a given.  Tofurkey, toficken.  And if you're into like big game meat substitutes, tofuna is a wonderful pretend fish.

Ben:  Or tofuffalo is another good one.

JP:  Absolutely.  They really, really use to pretend to roam the earth.

Ben:  Speaking of the Native Americans, I'm pretty sure though that was one of the staples in their diets in addition to popcorn was the tofuffalo.

JP:  So it's very logical that as vegans, for us to thrive, we need to do our best to pretend to eat the substance that we despise the most and are disgusted by the most.

Ben:  Right.  So basically the trick to be an effective vegan, or a vegetarian, is to take animals and figure out a way to actually using tofu, or soy, whatever, actually mold that particular plant-based substitute into the shape, and the texture, and the taste of the animal that you are avoiding eating.

JP:  Absolutely.

Ben:  Okay.

JP:  So let's do a practical case study because I know the listeners are really deep into their prefrontal cortex at this point.  So Ben, I'm curious what food disgusts you the most?

Ben:  I'd say probably rib-eye steak, sweet potato fries, and chocolate ice cream.

JP:  Got it.  So that all disgusts you.  So now what your homework is is figure out how to make a meal that tastes like rib-eye steak, sweet potato fries, a chocolate milkshake without using any of those ingredients to make the same meal.  Does that make sense?

Ben:  Right, right.  Okay.  So I'm trying to actually eliminate those particular foods from my diet, but still have substitutes that allow them to look and feel like those meals?

JP:  And taste like those meals.  Absolutely.

Ben:  Okay.  So I could use, for example, tree bark grilled with thyme and rosemary as a substitute for the rib-eye steak.  I could use, for example, some kind of a bean, like a hard bean, with perhaps, I suppose ketchup could tie it in for the sweet potato fries.  And then for the chocolate milkshake, what would you do?  I'm having trouble with that, for the chocolate ice cream or chocolate milkshake.

JP:  Yeah.  For the chocolate milkshake, have you heard of fecal transplants, Ben?

Ben:  I have.  Fecal transplant therapy.  That's actually one way I believe that you can transform an old mouse into a young mouse.

JP:  Exactly.  And I don't really know what that means, but I'm going to pretend like I do so that I can feel smarter.  And fecal transplant technically doesn't fit into a vegan diet, but I won't tell anybody if you don't.

Ben:  Okay.  I get your line of thinking.  So what you're saying is that instead of the chocolate milkshake, I could do something as simple as like a fecal transplant therapy.

JP:  Yes.

Ben:  Perfect.

JP:  It gives you the look of the chocolate milkshake…

Ben:  Well, I mean I have a lot of friends who are in ketosis, and so it probably wouldn't be that difficult for me to gather the actual fecal matter.

JP:  Wow.  We are connecting some dots today.

Ben:  I like it.  Yeah.  I'm glad.  I mean having you as my guru, it's useful.  I mean otherwise, I wouldn't be able to actually make these connections, to actually make these leaps.  But I get where you're going.  I'm taking some notes because I need to talk to my wife about this week's meal plan.  We can try this out.  Let me try it out.  I'll do some self-qualification as well as I'm moving forward on the substitutes that you've recommended.  But I also, I don't want to make people think that all you know about or all you're an expert in is nutrition because I know that you know a lot that goes above and beyond just nutrition, like physical activity or exercise.  For example, take a relatively trying to form of exercise that you see a lot of Crossfitters and power lifters doing these days, and that's rebounding.  Doing like mini-trampolining, for example, which seems to be really good for the lymph system, and also for things like testosterone, or estrogen, or globulins, or other things that I'm running out of my words now.  But anyways, can you walk me through some of your favorite ways to use something like a mini-trampoline or a rebounding workout for the people out there who are a little bit more serious when it comes to their exercise habits?

JP:  Yeah.  And this is a serious form of exercise.  I mean before she died, my 90 year old grandmother was rebounding.  So I think the best way to get good results from being on a rebounder is not paying attention to the rebounding.  So for me, how I like to biohack is I biohack my biohacking.  So how can I get more results from this investment of time on the rebounder?  The answer is doing a lot of other things that aren't rebounding while I'm also rebounding.  For example, I'll have my ear buds in and I'll be listening to books on tape, I'll be listening to your podcast when this one with me comes out.  It'll be really educational.  And then over my ear buds, I'll have headphones on listening to binaural beats.  And that's only doing three things at one time, so that's like…

Ben:  So you put the headphones over the earbuds?

JP:  Yeah.  The earbuds over the headphones, I tried that for a month, just didn't work.  So earbuds in first, headphones over the earbuds.  And then at this point, we're only doing three things.  Learning book on tape, listening to binaural beats, getting our brain hemispheres synced up, brain waves manipulated, hacked if you will, we're rebounding, getting our lymph moving, but this is still amateur biohacking.  So I like to go for the crescendo, add in the oxygen deprivation mask at the same time.  Typically by the end of this, I pass out face first on my back deck and I wake up realizing the ending of the book.

Ben:  That's actually a good sign of hypoxia or of a drop in your pulse oximetry.  Again, when we're talking about biohacking without even spending a lot of money, in the same way that you could kind of avoid the need to buy ketones strips or blood ketone monitors by doing something like the underpants check that you mentioned, you could use something like whether or not you've passed out during the rebounding session as an alternative to like one of these more expensive fingertip pulse oximetry devices or any of these other self-quant tools that people are using.

JP:  And when we're underpants quanting our ketogenic state, I guarantee you're going to have results in by the end of your rebound session.  No questions asked.

Ben:  Right.  And it's more ancestral as well when you can avoid some of the modern self-quantifying devices and some of the radiation that they can put on your body regardless of whether or not you've eaten coconuts, we know that those are carcinogenic.  Basically in a similar way as our ancestors would have done, you just determine your amount of hypoxia by whether or not you passed out on the rebounder.

JP:  No question about it.  And getting back to the ancestral wisdom as well, that's rebounding.  Our ancestors walked the same earth that had a different surface.  It was much more spongy, springy-like.  Because with modern farming, we've depleted the soil, which has changed the soil structure.  So it's got much less of a crumb structure to it, it has a lesser water holding capacity, so it's just like a harder ground.  But what our ancestors would have been walking on is very rich soil properly aerated with earthworms that weren't killed by chemicals that didn't exist yet, would have a great water holding capacity, wonderful crumb structure to it.  So basically our ancestors were rebounding all day.  It's like if, have you seen the pretend footage of when we pretended to land on the moon, Ben?

Ben:  Yeah.  Yeah, exactly.  The footage that they had to create after all of the camera rolls were destroyed by the actual radiation we know occurs as the space ships come back from the moon.

JP:  Absolutely.  So when we watch that pretend moon walk, we see the astronauts are kind of like rebounding.  Each step is they go high.  And the reason why that is is the moon's soil hasn't been degraded through conventional farming.

Ben:  Makes sense.  It makes perfect sense.  Also from what I understand, and I don't know if you've heard about this before, but apparently there is actually not any glyphosate on the moon.  So people who normally would not be able to eat gluten on planet earth, they can actually eat gluten when they're on the moon because they don't have the compromised guts that glyphosate has caused.  Have you looked into this at all?

JP:  No.  But my hunch is that Monsanto doesn't like you speaking in any degree of a negative tone about glyphosate.  My lawyers handed me a message right now that says, “Ben statements have not been evaluated by the FDA.  There's been no difference shown between consuming a deadly chemical and not consuming that deadly chemical.”  So anyway, done with the legal read.

Ben:  Yeah.  I mean that's one of the things that I'm looking pretty actively for nowadays is that double blind research study that compares consumption of a loaf of bread, for example, in our favorite restaurant on the Earth versus someone actually eating it on the moon to see if there actually is a difference in terms of things like diarrhea, or constipation, or bleeding guts.  So it'd be interesting.  But we're digressing from exercise because I've actually jotted down this idea of doing the headphones of the binaural beats, the earphones underneath with the audiobook.  I like to do mine on and closer to like a three to five times speed along with the training mask on the rebounder.  This seems like a really, really good way to exercise, but for people who maybe don't have a trampoline or can't afford one, do you have any other exercise biohacks that you've found to be useful to maximize the time that you spend exercising?

JP:  Yeah.  Yoga is wonderful.  So I highly recommend people watch some yoga classes.  The enjoyment you're going to get is just off the charts.  And if you're actually motivated to do real exercise, Crossfit.  But Crossfit can be dangerous because some people don't approach Crossfit with the necessary reckless amount of intensity that you need to get hardcore results.  So I like to practice Crossfitting until I'm injured.  How do you know when the workout's over?  When you're actually injured enough you can't keep working out.  Otherwise, you're just a quitter.

Ben:  Right, right.  Exactly.  It makes sense.  I mean I'm a fan of hoisting heavy weights to complete exhaustion.  I think that's probably from a bio mechanical standpoint.  Again, when we return to what our ancestors would have done, they likely would have, as they're building, for example, the stone wall, they probably would have in a very rabid, and quick, and frothing at the mouth type of fashion I'm guessing with something very similar to like dubstep, they would have built the stone wall as quickly as possible.  And if someone became injured, like a peasant, or a peon, or someone building the wall became injured, they probably would have just literally substituting them with someone else and taken the other person away in a wheelbarrow, which is really, I think what we're trying to replicate with something like Crossfit, it would seem, this same ancestral practice of exercising to complete injury in the face of exhaustion.

JP:  Yeah, I would agree.  And once the stone wall was built, finished, you can bet your bile duct our ancestors would have kept the lifting stones over their head if they weren't yet injured.  And that's because intuitively they knew, in order for the best chances of a good life, they needed to create as much muscle mass and as little body fat as possible to make their bodies as fuel inefficient as possible because they didn't have a lot of food around.  They didn't just have a fridge full of food where they could be in an inefficient state and just eat a lot of food because they couldn't depend on it, so they want to get to that state of being inefficient with fuel because it accelerated how fast, or better said, it accelerated the likelihood that they would die.  And our ancestors were so spiritually in tune that they didn't actually believe in death, they just believed in reincarnation.  So they figured out, “the more muscle I have, the less fat I have, the less fuel efficient I am, therefore the chances of me starving to death go up, which means the chances of me reincarnating go up”.

Ben:  So it's almost like an anti-anti-aging technique?

JP:  Absolutely.  What's longevity?  That's just like the fear of death.  So, yeah, not getting sucked into the anti-aging movement, but these guys knew better.  It's not about the quantity of life, it's about the quality of your next life.  Anti-anti-aging.

Ben:  Yeah, it makes sense.  Now speaking of death, constipation can be an issue for a lot of people, and I know that some people actually die of constipation.  I mean we've heard about people like Elvis Presley dying with 30 to 40 pounds of impacted fecal matter in their colon.  And I don't know if that's an old wives tale or if it's actually true, but regardless I do know that people do die, whether it's an airport bathrooms or in the comfort of their own home, of things like constipation.  Do you have, in terms of the research that you've done, because I know you're kind of on the cutting edge of a lot of these things as we've obviously proven so far, do you have any tips for enhancing digestion, enhancing the quality or the quantity of a bowel movement, or ensuring that things kind of move through the digestive tract more smoothly?

JP:  Yeah.  There's a couple of things that everybody better listen to on this, Ben.  First off is eating at least a handful of digestive enzymes with every meal.  Why?  You don't want to be doing your own digesting like a peasant.  Ben, do you think Tom Cruise, with all of his hundreds of millions of dollars, do you think Tom Cruise cleans his own floors at home?

Ben:  Yeah, I don't know.

JP:  Probably not.

Ben:  I believe that as Christian scientists, they don't actually have floors.  I'm pretty sure they just simply use the Earth as a more ancestral form of Christian scientificry.  But I think your analogy holds true regardless.

JP:  And actually Christian scientists don't believe in life saving medical technology that's based on science.  Therefore Christian science, scientist if you will, that are very scientific in an anti kind of way, they don't believe digestive enzymes exist.  But Tom Cruise is one step more dramatic.  He's a Scientologist, which is a wonderful non-fiction religion based on the science fiction novels of L. Ron Hubbard.  So long story short, Tom's got to be studying his Scientology science fiction novels instead of cleaning his own floor.  So Tom Cruise doesn't treat himself like a peasant who's here to wash his own floors.  So why would you want to be digesting your own food when you can have enzymes do it for you?  So I think that…

Ben:  Your analogy is perfect.  I mean, sorry to interrupt.  It's a perfect analogy between Tom Cruise cleaning his floor and the digestive enzymes, I wouldn't have thought of that myself.  But it makes sense.  I mean like if we really truly want to live a more rich and fulfilling life, digesting our own food, having our stomachs digest our food for us, yeah, it does seem, now that say it, it's kind of silly.

JP:  Yeah.  We've opened up a segue here.  This is sort of like a biohack for teaching.  If you want to teach anything effectively to your students, you always want to use an analogy, and the best analogies always involve Tom Cruise, Scientology, and Christian Science.  Put your concept into that holy trinity of an analogy, and your students will never forget what you just taught them.  Which brings us to our next point, the other thing that I feel is so important for good bowel health is using a Squatty Potty.  And I'm not attached to any brand names, but obviously something that puts you in a [1:03:08] ______ .  And why I think this is so important is because…

Ben:  I want to interrupt you though because I think it is important.  Because it can actually be close to impossible to get into a squat position without the use of a Squatty Potty, TM.  I mean, just think about it.  You have to actually plant your legs wide, you have to get your butt low, that's difficult to do without a trademark stool.

JP:  And it's theorized, the one fault of nature is wisdom that worked for our ancestors when they were living in unnatural conditions, it's theorized that they actually pooped standing up, which, there's going to be a kink in the colon, they're not going to have good, full, complete bowel movements.  But once these tools like the Squatty Potty were invented, now for the first time in human history, we can actually squat, and therefore have bowel movement…

Ben:  Yeah.  It's very similar to birthing tubs.  I mean in the past children, would die right and left, babies would die during birth, or even before birth before the invention of the little blue tubs with the slide in them that women could bring into their homes for underwater birth or for what they call hydrotherapy birth.  Before that, you people used to die during childbirth all the time in the same way that people used to struggle or, I would hazard a guess, actually die during bowel movements before the invention of something like a Squatty Potty.

JP:  And some people live their whole lives never achieving their dreams.  And I think in ancient times, some people would live their whole lives never having a bowel movement 'cause they didn't know they could squat because the tool they needed to squat wasn't invented.  So when you look at the research done on Squatty Pottys, you'll see that there is a video online of a unicorn pooping out rainbow colored ice cream, and because that's cute, and entertaining, and it's just like downright funny, it really validates the effectiveness and the need for a Squatty Potty.

Ben:  Yeah.  It does.  It's a somewhat offensive video really in my opinion, just the whole idea behind putting an animal on screen like that and abusing the actual, the honor and the glory that goes into the unicorn.  Showing a unicorn defacating, I was personally a little bit offended about that.  I would have rather have seen them use a more effective analogy, such as like a caveman or something like that instead of a unicorn.

JP:  The vegan community is just all up in arms.  And I also believe the Scientology community doesn't believe that Squatty Potty exist because they don't believe in unicorns for whatever reason.  They're just like not evolved to look at the animal.

Ben:  I haven't come across, I mean I have the L. Ron Hubbard, the entire collection, the whole library, it takes up an entire room of my home but I haven't actually come across the Squatty Potty in his books.  So you're likely correct.  I have a few other things I wanted to cover with you as well though, because we've talked about poop and cannabis, so I want to talk about something else that's I guess just as much kind of non-controversial and boring, but something we should bring out because this is a scientific show and that is sex.  I know that as someone who is well-versed in enhancing spirituality that you may have some tips for people who are interested in things like sexual energy, or tantra, or enhancing, or up-leveling themselves from a sexual standpoint.  Do you have any best practices, or even biohacks for maximizing something like sexual energy or sexual experiences?

JP:  The most effective one is having a partner who is not ugly.

Ben:  Hmm.

JP:  Yeah.  Number two, practicing polyamory.  And having an open relationship, because human beings, by human beings, I mean men only, we're not meant to be with just one person.  And we can tell that humans aren't meant to be with just one person because various animal species in the animal kingdom don't just have one exclusive mate their entire life, which is…

Ben:  Like fruit flies.

JP:  Yeah.  So that is an obvious parallel justification for why humans should behave like fruit flies.  And then polyamory, really for the listeners who aren't really familiar with that term, it's the fine art of being so codependent that you need more than one partner to meet your emotional needs for you while pretending that you're so filled with unconditional love that you need to share your love with multiple partners.

Ben:  Right, right.  Exactly.  In addition to the display of those type of open relationships, we see quite a bit in the insect kingdom, not just fruit flies but also wood beetles, I think termites probably fall into that category.  I mean ants are by…

JP:  Fire ants.

Ben:  Oh, yeah.  When you flip over a rock, you usually see at least half a dozen ants riding on top of the backs of other ants, but then they'll be to be switching and riding upon the backs of other ants.  And so, yeah.  And then also there's a really good, there's a good Disney movie about this as well.  It's Polly, I think it's called Pollyanna.  It's a little bit of an older movie, but a really good wholesome flick to sit down and watch with the family when it comes to maybe understanding polyamory a little bit better.  I haven't actually seen it, but I'm guessing, just judging by the title, that it'd probably be a pretty good introduction.  Plus it's Disney.

JP:  Yeah.  So that's everything Disney is something about polyamory.  But you're right, that movie, from a symbolic perspective, it's all these metaphoric lessons on polyamory.  You just have to make sure it open your mind so you're watching it from a place of higher consciousness where you're taking it in symbolically, not literally.

Ben:  Right.  Now like I mentioned when I was introducing you, you actually do have a new book called “How To Be Ultra Spiritual: 12 1/2 Steps To Spiritual Superiority”.  It's on Amazon and I would imagine other places where books are sold.  But one thing, whenever I hear the word spirituality, the very first word that comes to mind, in addition to polyamory and ketosis, is chakra.  Now do you have any tips for people who really want to activate as many chakras as possible?  People who want to, for example, biohack their chakras.  What would be the best way to do that?

JP:  Squeezing your pelvic floor muscles while you're meditating.  For example, before you and I got on the line today, Ben, I did a three hour meditation, but it only took me five minutes.  So I biohacked my way into such a deep meditative state by squeezing my pelvic floor muscles.  What that does is it sends an energetic wave of kundalini energy up through all the chakras.

Ben:  Okay.  Wow.  So…

JP:  Which somehow makes them very active.  And having an active chakras is obviously superior to having inactive chakras.

Ben:  Have you found that that amount of clinching, or squeezing that you need to activate those chakras limits your ability to be able to quantify ketosis?  I mean do the two kind of fly in the face of each other, the ability to actually get adequate anal leakage but then also squeeze the pelvic muscles enough to where you activate your kundalini chakras?

JP:  They really complement each other well.  So when you're doing the chakra opening, pelvic floor meditative squeeze, your ability to eat more fat and therefore get more ketones in your blood before you reach the peak state of first anal leakage, it goes up.  So in other words, more fat, less anal leakage equals more fat to get the anal leakage, which equals more ketosis, which equals more is better, which equals more than better is best.

Ben:  Yeah, which we've already established based on the concept of macrodosing.  But I'm curious, what about technology?  I mean there's programs out there like 40 Years of Zen, for example, where you'll attach special electrodes to your head to be able to get into as deep as state of meditation as possible, but not actually need to, or go to a monastery, or learn how to focus, or mindfulness, or something silly like that to actually do it.  You instead just use technology.  Do you have any favorite pieces of technology that you use, in addition to something like a training mask, to actually activate chakras or to drive yourself into a deeper state of spirituality?

JP:  There are a few things, and you bring up a beautiful point, how to get all the meditative results without being meditative.  Now a problem with electrodes on your head is I find those don't really contract my pelvic floor muscles very well.  But there's a wonderful biohack that I've found to significantly increase one's spiritual consciousness, and that's take a picture of yourself meditating and post it to Instagram.  So there's this beautiful phenomenon that happens where when people see you being spiritual, doing something spiritual like meditating, you become more spiritual.  And there's the old question: if a tree falls in the forest and nobody's there to hear it, does it make a sound?  So let me translate that into this topic.  If you do something spiritual and there's nobody there to observe you doing something spiritual, did you actually become more spiritual?  The answer is, “No, you did not.”  But what's the size of your Instagram following?  That's how many potential somebodies can be there to see you doing something spiritual, which makes you more spiritual.  So, yeah, there's a lot of apps and equipment out there, but I find an Instagram account with a solid following is the best biohack, technology biohack for increased spirituality.

Ben:  Now what about the use of something a little bit more, I guess, again very similar to what our ancestors would have done, and that would be the use of something like essential oils to enhance that spiritual process, or to enhance that meditative process?  Do you use essential oils at all in the same way that our ancestors would have?

JP:  I do.  I think it's essential to use essential oils based on the name of the oils, and again…

Ben:  I never thought about that.

JP:  Yeah.  And you're so good at bringing in the ancestral wisdom because with the essential oils, would our ancestors 10,000 years ago be crushing 150 pounds of lavender to get one and a half ounces of lavender oil?  Absolutely, they would have been doing that.

Ben:  Well, it's related to the stone wall analogy.  I mean they probably would have figured out ways to exercise in his heart, and hopefully, and as inefficient a way possible in order to maximize the onset of death.  So, yeah.  I mean 150 pounds of lavender leaves that they could crush to me make sense.

JP:  Absolutely.  That's why the whole the stone wall is there.  They're grinding the other stones to crush the lavender leaves.  And then they had tons of multilevel marketing companies to distribute the oils.  I mean our ancestors the loved business opportunities.  So, yes.  I absolutely love essential oils.  From a medical perspective, they work on the principle that says “if something smells good, then it's good for you”.  So I love to use essential oils to treat common ailments instead of using remedies that actually work.  Why?  Because I leave smelling better, and I think that gives me a better result.

Ben:  Yeah.  And it's a good point too when it comes to the actual smell test to determine whether or not something is good for you.  I mean there's been so many times when I've walked past a restaurant and been unable to look at the menu.  But if you can simply kind of like put your nose in the door and smell something like chili cheese fries, for example, as most of us know, not only is that a very good way to do something like stay in ketosis, we also know the potatoes are gluten free, and so something like that would be a very simple way to determine whether or not something is going to serve you or whether it's going to work against you.  I mean nobody, for example, is out there eating dog poop for example, unless they're wanting to do a fecal transplant.  But this the smell test is probably the reason why, it's probably exactly what our ancestors would have done is smelled something, if it smells good, then you should eat it.

JP:  And the moral of Ben's story, dear listeners, is he's telling you should use chili cheese fries essential oil.  Did I hear your message correctly, Ben?

Ben:  There's actually three essential oils that I swear by.  One is lavender, for relaxation.  One is peppermint.  I don't know if you've used that before, but peppermint works really well, especially like 100% peppermint, something that will burn away the lining of your lips I prefer because it's got a…

JP:  So therapeutic.

Ben:  Well it's wakefulness enhancing when you burn the lining of the lips away.  It's actually been proven that that increases your focus and your feelings of wakefulness.  And then finally, yeah, the chili cheese fries essential oil.  What I've found that that's best for is increasing appetite.  You smear a little bit just below your nose, and I mean you can be suffering cachexia-like cancer issues when it comes to suppression of appetite.  You can be consuming all the cannabis you want, but there really doesn't seem to be much superior to essential oil of chili cheese fries on the upper lip, specifically to actually do something like enhance your appetite or your ability to consume the number of fats necessary to stay in ketosis.

JP:  You are a wealth of wisdom, Ben.  By the way, when we're done with our conversation, when we're off air, I do want to tell you about a great business opportunity.

Ben:  That's the one word that perks my ears up really.  When I see it on the menu of a website, especially “opportunity”, that's usually a sign to me that it is a rock solid website, a rock solid company, and a good way for me to enhance my income, or at least a good car payment.

JP:  Wouldn't you like to be able to provide a lot of abundance for your family, Ben?  Opportunity with a capital “O” that is comin’ at you.

Ben:  Well, let's talk about that afterwards.  I did have another question that I wanted to ask you though.  To kind of come full circle, I mean we started talking about weed so we might as well come full circle to this, and that's back to plant-based medicines.  Because there's another plant-based medicine that I hear a lot of talk of, ayahuasca.  Ayahuasca is something that you'll see a lot of people doing these days, especially like Silicone Valley execs and CEO's.  And so I'm hazarding a guess that it's probably pretty important for something, like you were mentioning income recently, and I'm guessing there's a direct link between it and success.  But in terms of ayahuasca, have you ever experimented with plant-based medicines like that?  Whether micro or macrodosing?

JP:  Yeah.  In fact, nowadays I'm never not on ayahuasca.  And the beauty of ayahuasca is it gives you the ability to attain a level of enlightenment that you're not enlightened enough to attain on your own.  And it's permanent enlightenment as long as you continue to habitually use ayahuasca.  And I've also found in my research that there is a direct correlation between how high a plant gets you and how medicinal it is, how awakening that is.  Because ayahuasca blitzes you right out of your mind, you know it's medicinal.  And to me, there is nothing more spiritual, nothing more expanding than blissfully merging into a state of oneness with all that is while aggressively filling your pants with heroic doses of diarrhea.  So that's why ayahuasca is my favorite plant medicine.

Ben:  Now when you do something like ayahuasca, how do you actually use that to discover truths about yourself?  Or to have something like a breakthrough?  I mean is it as simple as getting as high as possible?  Do you need to get to the state where you throw up?  I mean you have any best practices for something like ayahuasca?

JP:  I do.  First off, good music is obviously a given.  The other thing is there's a lot of shaman who practice ancient native wisdom in the Amazon, Peru, Coast Rica, and these shaman are wonderful guides up the spiritual mountain, and you want to avoid them because they're so inconvenient to get to.  You need to get on a plane, you have to go through, “Oh, I don't have a good WiFi connection here.”  So for best results to really biohack the whole old plant medicine system, I think to respect the sacredness of ayahuasca, it's important to order it online and make it at home with some friends who are out to have a good time, and that really creates the appropriate setting for beneficial breakthroughs.

Ben:  Right.  Wow, you just saved people a lot, well you may have actually cost them a few bitcoins, but you've saved them a lot of money and heartache from having to go and do things, I guess, in a more, speaking of ancestral, I guess sometimes living in an ancestral way can come back to bite you when you actually have to get on an airplane and fly to the Amazon to do your plant-based medicine.  But it does make sense.  I suppose ordering it to the comfort of your own home and doing it with friends, and then following your recommendations to get as high as possible, to use good music when doing it.  And then in terms of the throwing up, like that's one of the things that's kind of like made me nervous about something like ayahuasca, is that necessary or can you actually do something like wear a training mask or some other mechanism to keep throw-up from coming up?

JP:  I love how ambitious you are.  I've never used the training mask.  But my philosophy of “go hard, go home” that's really applied in a lot of fraternity party settings is if you're not drinking enough ayahuasca to throw up, then you're not drinking enough ayahuasca.  So we really want to consider that.  And I also want to highlight one of your points you mentioned about ancient wisdom.  When it comes to the inconvenience of ancient wisdom, getting on an airplane to meet with a shaman who's “reputable” and a “good person who cares”, that's what I would call inconvenient ancient wisdom.  So in those cases, I find it very beneficial to just term that outdated ancient wisdom.  So a more modern approach is what we talked about.  “Let's order it online and not kill a whole week to journey with ayahuasca, but we'll just hit a hard one afternoon, definitely during daylight hours 'cause it's just more convenient that way.”

Ben:  Right.  And that's better for the circadian rhythm as well, to do your plant-based medicine in the presence of blue light, or sunlight, or good UVA, UVB, infrared, vitamin D type of light.  That just makes sense.  That again comes down to the simple act of hacking life, like why not actually expose yourself to natural sunlight as you're getting high on ayahuasca as our ancestors would have done.   JP, I've got one other question for you, and that is in this new book, I mean it it's the hundreds of pages jam packed with tips, obviously Tony Robbins endorsers it highly, and so I know that it must be a good book because he typically does not endorse books.  But I'm curious if you actually have an a tip, like a top tip or a favorite tip from the book that you haven't a chance yet to mention on the show, something you want to throw in there is like a like a final bonus for folks?

JP:  I will say this.

Ben:  So they don't have to buy your book.

JP:  I will say very little of this so you will have to buy my book.  No pressure.  I mean life will just be crap without it, but it is what it is.  What you'll find out in the book is that the biggest impediment to spiritual growth is being a human.  And the thing that makes you most human is your emotions and your feelings.  So I've got a whole chapter called “Feelings Buried Alive Help You Thrive”.  So the top tip is go into denial of anything that makes you human, and a denial about you being in denial, and you'll think it's actually gone just because you're not perceiving it.  Therefore, you'll disconnect from that human reality of yours and you'll be better able to think that you're more spiritual.

Ben:  So basically pretend that you're not human.

JP:  And then pretend that you're not pretending that you're not human.

Ben:  Got it.  Got it.  It makes sense.  It makes perfect sense.  And in terms of advice and tips that we've gotten on podcast episodes before, this would probably be one of the better ones out there.  And so if you're trying to enhance your life, if you're trying to do anything from burn fat, to gain muscle, to optimize digestion, to increase your IQ or cognitive power, a big, big part of it is just basically really, really realizing that you're not actually a human being.  It's a very logical way to proceed, in my opinion.

JP:  We're spiritual beings having a human experience.  And Ben, I'd like to thank you because after this conversation with you, I feel like much less of a person now, but much more of a spiritual being.

Ben:  Yeah.  Probably in the same way that a fruit fly, in its random ramblings of polyamorous activity, would feel, I would imagine.  And we've learned a lot about fruit flies and plenty more.  Ayahuasca, cannabis, activating as many of the body's chakras as possible, the squatty potty, mini-trampolines, gradated compression boots, essential oils, you name it.  I'm going to put a link not only to all of that stuff along with my discount code so I can make as much money as possible off of the guest who I've invited on this podcast who has appeared for absolutely free, but I'm going to put a link to all those things over at bengreenfieldfitness.com/spiritual.  And also I'll link over to JP's YouTube channel where he's got plenty of tips, everything from how to be a vegan, to even more tips on ayahuasca, to sexual health, to ketosis, and more, as well as his book “How To Be Ultra Spiritual: 12 1/2 Steps To Spiritual Superiority.  So again, that's all over at bengreenfieldfitness.com/spiritual.  Be sure to click on as many of the links as possible so that I can afford to buy ayahuasca.  JP, thank you so much for coming on the show, man, and sharing all this stuff with us.  You've been a wealth of wisdom.

JP:  Thank you for having me on, Ben.  You're a gentleman, you're a Caucasian, and you're as scholar.

Ben:  That means a lot.  Alright, folks.  Well until next time, I'm Ben Greenfield along with JP Sears signing out from bengreenfieldfitness.com.  Have a healthy week.



My guest on today's show is one of the world's leading biohackers, and also a very well-versed and highly educated nutrition expert, fitness coach, and spirituality guru.

He may indeed be one of the most cutting edge guests who I've ever had on the show, when it comes to a full working knowledge of everything from ancestrally appropriate diets such as ketosis and veganism to extremely efficient workout strategies including thermogenesis and hypoxic training to optimizing gut health with little-known tactics to achieving ultimate spiritual enlightenment, a topic discussed in detail in his new book: How To Be Ultra Spiritual: 12 1/2 Steps to Spiritual Superiority.

His work empowers people of all levels from around the globe to live more meaningful lives and has even inspired great thinkers such as Tony Robbins and also, me. You can view his extremely popular videos here.

During our discussion, you'll discover:

-The hot topic of weed and cannabis, and whether JP thinks we should legalize marijuana…[11:20]

-JP's top tips for someone to figure out whether or not they can “handle” gluten…[16:50]

-Practical tips for how to maximize the efficacy of a ketogenic diet, and a little-known way to actually measure ketosis without breath strips or blood strips…[22:45]

-Which body parts you can utilize to maximize actual absorption of coconut oil[26:50]

-If someone finds they don't respond well to all this fat, what are your tips for switching to a vegan or vegetarian based diet…[41:45]

-How to effectively transition from a meat-based diet to a vegan or vegetarian diet without disrupting your internal physiology…[43:15]

-A form of exercise that enhances the health of both the lymph system, muscle gain, fat loss and blood flow…[48:45]

-The single, most effective supplement that can effectively treat constipation and most other digestive issues…[59:30]

-How to maximize sexual energy and satisfaction in the bedroom using simple tips from the animal kingdom…[66:50]

-The best, little-known way to activate as many of body's chakras at once…[70:20]

-The top three essential oils to enhance spirituality, and how exactly to use them…[74:45]

-The simplest way to delve into the use of plant based medicines like ayahuasca…[80:15]

-JP's favorite, top tips from his new book…[85:45]

-And much more…

Resources from this episode:

How to Be Ultra Spiritual: 12 1/2 Steps to Spiritual Superiority

Gradated compression boots

Mini-trampoline for rebounding

Squatty Potty

Lavender essential oil

The TrainingMask (use code GREEN1 for 20% discount)



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3 thoughts on “[Transcript] – Fast-Tracking Your Body To Ketosis, Biohacking Hypoxic Performance, Marijuana Legalization, Constipation & More With JP Sears.

  1. Sara says:

    Do you have a recommendation on which rebounder would be best? Thanks!

  2. Brent Versendaal says:

    Ben, I like many others you mentioned in a following podcast, am very disappointed in you for airing this podcast. For starters, how dare you keep all this life giving information to yourself for years?! Secondly, I felt compelled to listen twice and both times I became a driving hazard to those in vehicles around me. Not to mention my wife and sons listened the second time thru and now their minds are also tainted with this material. I continue to be appalled by the content of this podcast as I anxiously await more.

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