[00:00:49] About this Podcast
[00:02:22] Podcast Sponsors
[00:04:41] The Kitchen
[00:06:09] Foods and Supplements
[00:57:26] Final Thoughts in the Kitchen
[01:08:33] Podcast Sponsors
[01:11:34] Bedroom Air Quality
[01:20:17] Spinal Decompression
[01:36:55] Sleep Optimization
[01:45:37] The Bathroom
[01:51:37] The Zen Den
[02:06:20] Homemade Ice Bath
[02:17:59] Closing the Podcast
[02:21:24] End of Podcast
Ben: On this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness Podcast:
Luke: Something that could put someone in a mental institution for their entire life if they drank that. And this is a highly–
Ben: And they've done studies in humans and shown improvement in vision. And I think it was a Russian study where they actually got rid of blindness in rodent models. They reversed blindness using this Visomitin drops.
Luke: But I didn't know that was why. I was like, “Blue light? Sun? Great.” Yet, another reason to be careful with your backlit LED monitors, [00:00:31] ______, right?
Ben: Health, performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show.
You guys are in for a treat today because I went down to L.A. and I visited the home of one of the top biohackers on the face of the planet, a guy named Luke Storey. We went through his supplements. We went through his bedroom. We went through what he calls his “Zen Den” and we geeked out hard on all these crazy biohacks. You are going to absolutely dig this one. It's crazy good. And there's also going to be a video available as well.
So, Luke, in case you don't know him, used to be a Hollywood celebrity fashion stylist and a motivational speaker and a kundalini yoga and meditation teacher. He also transformed himself, however, into a world-class biohacker. He hosts this podcast called “The Life Stylist” podcast. And even though he lives in an urban environment down in L.A., he's managed to hack his health big-time. And he's done everything from Amazonian frog venom to neurofeedback meditation. Just travels all over the world. He's a man after my heart. Great speaker, great guy.
And you can check him out at lukestorey.com.
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Luke: Alright. Here we go. Ben Greenfield.
Luke: Come on in, my man.
Ben: Luke Storey.
Luke: Good to see you, bro.
Ben: You too, man.
Luke: How are you doing? How are you doing?
Ben: Great. Good.
Ben: Cool place.
Luke: Thanks, dude. So, we're going for a full-on biohacking tour here today. That's Cookie.
Ben: Hi, Cookie.
Luke: So, we'll do a bunch of geek out and then we'll record a podcast.
Luke: We'll go through the supplements, all the things, see what you're into, see what I'm into.
Ben: Just don't kill me.
Luke: We'll see. We'll do our best.
Luke: If everybody throws up by the end of the day, we've won. And yeah, and then we'll record our show.
Ben: Great. It's great. Not throwing up sounds like a horrible day.
Ben: I was like [00:05:33] _______ here.
Luke: No convo.
Ben: Yeah, no convo, a lot of Alaska, geez. Someday it's going to be.
Luke: Alright. Cool. Looking forward. So, what I want to do, Ben, is show you some of the shit I'm working with here.
Luke: See if you see that I'm missing anything.
Luke: And, maybe, even turn which is unlikely what you're about to see. And then, I might turn you on to some shit too that you don't know yet.
Luke: Because I imagine like your kitchen is much the same way.
Ben: I don't know my way around my kitchen very well. My wife is the queen of the kitchen.
Ben: That's all your food?
Luke: Yeah. I'm not a big food guy. I have a bunch of tuna and/or salmon and sardines. And then, the rest is really this. I mean, this is it. I mean, I eat, I'm saying. But, I just usually–I cook up.
Ben: How do you get food?
Ben: Oh, okay. So, you're getting your food?
Luke: Yeah, they deliver it.
Ben: It makes you kind of outsource.
Luke: They deliver it and then I just heat it up.
Ben: That works.
Luke: It's called Model Meals.
Ben: That works for you.
Ben: With a bachelor like you?
Luke: Yeah. I mean, when I had a girlfriend up until very recently, she would cook and we would play a little more in the kitchen. But, it's kind of more utilitarian dish plan.
Ben: Our house has just all organ meats and sprouts and fresh vegetables and a lot of real food. But that's because my wife and my kids are absolute foodies.
Luke: They are?
Ben: So, there's just food everywhere. And lots of ancient grains and rices and legumes and glass mason jars for fermenting.
Luke: You eat legumes?
Luke: Do you tolerate them?
Ben: Yeah, absolutely.
Luke: You do?
Ben: I mean, we deactivate everything. We [00:07:31] ______. We ferment. We soak. And my own personal diet of late has been more kind of focused on organ meats and wild-caught fish and meat to a certain extent, and then a lot of underground storage organs, like sweet potatoes and yams, some squash, some pumpkin which is technically done underground storage organs.
Luke: So, you're eating like a northern European?
Ben: Yeah. It's a very kind of northern European with a raw honey, a cup of coffee, a glass of wine. But, it's very simple and I'm at home. And then, when I travel, I'll admit, I'll drop into Erewhon and buy some kind of raw blueberry cheesecake for 40 bucks and buffalo cauliflower.
Luke: Spend $400 each. I got to stay out of that store, dude.
Ben: Yeah. So, what are we looking at here, all the things?
Luke: Okay. So, I'm going to run you through a couple of things. The first thing that I'm really excited about is I just met a guy and because we're on video, have to remain unnamed, but he makes microdose psilocybin tincture. He grows them himself and they're the albino something strain, similar in strength to like a penis envy mushroom.
Ben: They say the more the psilocybin mushroom looks like a penis, the more efficacious it is. I don't know if it's [00:08:50] _____ said that.
Luke: That makes sense.
Ben: But I do know the large amount of the psilocybin and the alkaloids are concentrated in the head. So, this is about what it says on it, it's psilocybin.
Luke: Well, it has Lion's Mane, reishi, cordyceps, and niacin in the perfect ratios for true microdosing. So, one dropper of this is one-tenth of a gram. So, it's 100 milligrams.
Ben: But, there's also psilocybin in that?
Luke: Yeah. It's 100 milligrams of psilocybin.
Ben: Okay. So, it's almost like the Paul Stamet's stack of the Lion's Mane.
Luke: It's exactly that with some other stuff in there.
Ben: Wow, very cool.
Luke: And, it's absolutely perfectly measured, which is cool, because I've always found it difficult. I mean, I'll have mushrooms around and I'm really paranoid to trip when I don't want to. So, yeah, I'm glad they figured it out. This is only a few days I got this.
Ben: That's really close. He's like a local L.A. guy.
Luke: He's a bit of a vagabond because it's a little bit under–
Ben: And is this his company, [00:09:40] ______?
Luke: Yeah. [00:09:41] ______
Ben: I'm not. I'm being careful.
Luke: [00:09:43] ______ visit to him. If you guys are watching, I'm so sorry that I can't introduce to you.
Ben: I kind of blend up my own mixes at home using the Four Sigmatic Lion's Mane and I've got a guy in Florida who grows some really nice penis envy psilocybin that I'll mix with that and rains every three or four days.
And, often, I will use a little bit of niacin with that too. That's a cool idea.
Luke: Isn't it great?
Ben: That's a kind of done for your blend.
Luke: Yeah, dude.
Ben: As psilocybin grows in legality, these kind of things will become [00:10:11] ______.
Luke: Totally. That's what he's kind of banking on. That's why it's like a little low-key right now. Then, he also makes capsules with the same formula that are a little bit stronger. So, if you wanted to feel a little bit of it. I take one of these and I feel nootropic. If I take two, I'm nootropic and a little happy but able to drive and like totally be normal.
Ben: It's a great idea.
Luke: It's cool, right?
Luke: Then, the other thing I don't know if you've gotten into, this is not the thing that it came in
Ben: The unlabeled black bottle?
Luke: Have you ever messed with deprenyl?
Ben: I've used it before. It's not something I am a huge fan of, just due to the potential for overriding some of the receptors associated with dopamine, particularly. It may result in a little bit of dopamine insensitivity, meaning that, big, big-picture explanation would be things that would normally be pleasurable for you begin to decrease in their pleasurability just because you get that much. Your dopamine receptors, basically, multiply so you need more dopamine to fill those receptors.
Ben: The more you use something like deprenyl, it is effective but it's one of those that I don't use, simply because I don't want to set myself up for needing more dopamine to get enjoyment out of anything from sex to food to [00:11:37] ______.
Luke: So, it could make Instagram and pornography ineffective?
Ben: Theoretically. So, looking at the pharmacokinetics of that, I'm not a huge fan of deprenyl. It would also depend a little bit on your genetics, as far as dopamine. Some people are very fast dopamine responders. And kind of a fast coffee oxidizer could probably handle a little bit more of that.
Luke: I am one of those. The deprenyl, I do maybe three days a week, a really tiny dose, like two drops.
Ben: So, you feel very robust COMT gene activity you could probably get away with a little bit more.
Luke: I find that it works pretty well. But, that's interesting because I'm always nervous about anything that's going to down-regulate you, like taking melatonin all the time, glutathione, things like that, that your body is supposed to be making and you're sending this signal to your body like, “Oh, you guys. Don't worry about it. I got it.” “Okay, cool. Interesting.” The other thing I want to show you. You interviewed Dr. Ted, right, Achacoso?
Ben: Achacoso, yeah.
Luke: So, have you gotten any of his troches, Cannatine Blue.
Ben: Yeah, those are really nice. And I especially like those for a walk in the sunshine because the methylene blue gets activated by the photons of sunlight.
Luke: Are you serious?
Ben: So, the best way to take that. And, actually, those things are a little bit hard to come by right now, but I don't even use them unless I'm in the sun just because I want the full benefit of using it.
Luke: Oh, that's funny.
Ben: The infrared light panels can work all right but, I think, some of the visible rays of sunlight and the concentration when you're out on the sun, the heat might have a little bit of an effect too. I have gone on a morning beach walk three times since I've been here in L.A. and each time, I have one of those dissolved in my mouth and you just feel this nice little uptake of energy. He puts a little microdose of CBD in there, a little bit of nicotine, a little bit of methylene blue. I think there's one other thing in there. What it might be?
Luke: CBD, methylene blue, nicotine, caffeine.
Ben: Caffeine, yeah.
Luke: Yeah, caffeine is the fourth one. Yeah, I freaking love these things. And they're just in the process of scaling, this is something that really scares. They just sent me something. I'm like, “Wait, how many? Okay, I have to pace it out over the week when I record podcast.” But, for nootropics, dude, these things are one of the most effective I've ever been.
Ben: Yeah, and methylene blue, actually, it's very good for the mitochondria. Kind of similar to the use of something like a Joovv light. Excess activation of cytochrome C oxidase in the mitochondria can cause free radical production that can get out of hand, meaning that you wouldn't want to use too much methylene blue. You wouldn't want to stand in front of a Joovv panel for more than about 20 minutes.
Ben: So, it's very similar to a lot of these hormetic type of stressors. I rarely will get an ice bath for longer than 10 minutes just because too much results in excess stress.
Luke: You know what? When I do over 10 minutes in the ice bath, which mine is usually around 20, 35, and 40 degrees, 10 minutes is kind of my sweet spot and now I kind of have just an internal timer. I know when it's 10 minutes. I used to set an alarm. But the days where I go 15 or 20 minutes, I actually get really tired after. I warm up super-fast, I'll work out a little bit, jump on the trampoline. But, the rest of the day, I'm kind of dragging. I think that's why.
Ben: Have you ever worn a blood glucose monitor?
Luke: Not darn, you know.
Ben: Once you get past about 10 minutes, the hypoglycemia in most people stays with you for about five to six hours.
Ben: Meaning that you can have a blood glucose of 40 to 60. And if you're used to humming along as most people are at, even people who are low carb, metabolically flexible, they're going to be at 60 to 90 for blood glucose. But, if you drop that down to 40, you're going to feel this kind of cognitive slump. And the best way to know if that is the case, if you don't have a blood glucose monitor, is just like eat a yam or sweet potato or something like that. And if you feel that surge of energy, it's just because the glycemic drop in response to the cold is that intense.
Luke: Trippy, dude.
Ben: Yeah, which is great if you're trying to kind of get on the bullet train metabolic flexibility. But, it does kind of suck. It can drain your energy. It can take away your focus. So, I'm a fan of those smaller, more sane bouts of the ice bath.
Luke: That's, dude, you just explained why I usually kind of at 10, like, “I'm good.” Because I have the tendency, I'm like, “Well, if 10 is good, 20 minutes must be better.” But, not necessarily.
Luke: Interesting about the methylene blue not wanting to do it too much, because I got this powdered extract.
Ben: Important, by the way, for the listeners and viewers to know that it needs to be pharmaceutical grade, methylene blue.
Luke: Right. Yeah, because there are dyes and shit on Amazon. I got this off a reputable site. But, what's crazy about it is it's so concentrated, like a matchhead of this will turn a huge glass of water dark, dark blue. So, it's difficult to dose. So, basically, I need my [00:16:48] ______.
Ben: Turn your pee green as the yellow interacts with the blue and your pee would be green pee.
Luke: Yeah, it's [censored] crazy.
Ben: If you have methylene blue and a nice beat goat cheese salad, you can poop red and pee green. True biohacker.
Luke: Alright. Next thing that you turned me on to do, which I'm really loving, is the Visoluten peptides for your eyes. I think, I emailed you about [00:17:14] ______ and you're like, “Try this one.”
Ben: Very interesting, the data on its SKQ1, I believe is the actual molecule. That's the active ingredient in that. And Visomitin is something that's been shown to reverse retinal damage in rodent models. And they've done studies in humans and shown improvement in vision. And I think it was a Russian study where they actually got rid of blindness in rodent models, they reversed blindness using these Visomitin drops. I've never used–My vision is fine, but seeing the data in it, and I actually have a whole section on SKQ's in my new book. It's pretty compelling if you have eye issues. You do some Visomitin and get to see Health Vision Gym, which is kind of a new systematized version of the Bates Method of muscle exercises for your eyes.
Luke: Oh, really? Oh, cool.
Ben: Convergence, divergence. You get these little panels like the 3D posters at the mall that you stare at and try to see the image, the Statue of Liberty or what have you. Well, these are similar. It's like home-based eye muscle exercises.
Luke: I got to be doing that.
Ben: The reason they're not popular is human psychology, right? It's so much easier to just put on a set of glasses or some contacts instead of retraining your eye musculature. But the people who actually do this, probably the most notable guy who has talked about his experience with it pretty comprehensively is Vishen Lakhiani of Mind Valley.
Luke: Oh, really?
Ben: Yeah. If you look up Vishen and his experience with the Bates Method and convergence, divergence, exercises for the eyes to retrain the eyes. He got himself off glasses using that method.
Luke: I'm on it. Because my vision is decent but it does get a little blurry at distance. And I find wearing glasses so annoying. So, I pretty much only wear them when I drive at night or go to the movies or something like that. But I'm going to keep on the protocol.
Okay. Next thing is oxytocin.
Ben: And by the way, I got to say for people who might be listening, because I'm sure some people are very interested in that, I have, again because I haven't had a need to, I haven't purchased that supplement, the Visoluten, where did you get that?
Luke: Visoluten was kind of hard to find. And I think you told me about some eye drops.
Ben: Yeah, the Visomitin eyedrops were the ones I found. But I've never seen this before.
Luke: Yeah. And they were both kind of hard to find. And I'll put the links in the shownotes.
Ben: Okay. And is that oral or topical?
Luke: Because I haven't [00:19:45] ______. These ones are oral.
Luke: But then, there are the drops that you actually take in your eyes.
Ben: Right. And those are the ones that the actual research was done on, were the drops. And I'm unfamiliar with the difference between the oral and the drops in terms of efficacy.
Luke: The combination between the two is helping a lot without even doing any eye exercise.
Ben: So cool.
Luke: Yeah. So, I'm hopeful about being able to get rid of glasses.
Ben: I love science.
Luke: I do too. Well, that's why I was like I love going through this stuff with you because you actually remember the data. I read and read. I'm like, “Okay, is this legit? I searched around for the best source and all that.” But then, I sort of just get rid of that data once I've determined that it's legitimate. And I don't remember.
Ben: That's probably good for you because you keep a clear head for other creative ventures.
Ben: Or, almost like Sherlock Holmes, right? He forgets facts so he can focus on sleuthing.
Luke: I mean, it's really that way because I don't want to use a hard drive space with data that I don't need once I've learned enough to know that I want to try something.
Ben: It's reasonable.
Luke: But, that's where guys like you come in. Next thing is oxytocin. You ever mess with these?
Ben: I have used oxytocin and do use oxytocin, particularly, for sex. But, it's always a nasal spray.
Luke: Like these guys?
Ben: Not that one. But I have a physician compound it with ketamine.
Luke: Oh, nice.
Ben: Is this like an oxytocin troche?
Luke: Uh-huh. It is, yeah. I think I'm going to have one, actually.
Ben: All sorts of new things [00:21:22] ______. Are we going are we going?
Luke: [00:21:24] ______
Ben: Sure. Are we going to put resources for people on our respective shownotes wherever this stuff appears?
Luke: Yeah. I have links to almost all this stuff, at least the stuff that's legal.
Ben: So, for those of you who are unfamiliar with oxytocin, that hormone that you'd release in response to, well, I suppose I should say a baby would release in response to breastfeeding, unless you're an adult breast feeder, or hand-holding, hugging, sex, physical contact. You get this release of oxytocin. It's feel-good trust hormone. It also has a little bit of anti-inflammatory effects, particularly in neural tissue. And it makes you feel good. It kind of makes the appetite or, not the appetite, but just the mood overall a little bit more agreeable. Enhances touch, which is why it's nice for sex. Not something you'd want to take before a really hard day of work where you're negotiating. You would want to take it before you go to purchase a car, for example, where you [00:22:25] ______.
Luke: Turn you into a push over.
Ben: You do. I'm not joking with you. I actually get more trustworthy. So, in about 15 minutes, I'll be highly gullible and just believe and trust anything that Luke tells me about these supplements here.
Luke: That's where we get on the experimental biohacks. So, the oxytocin, what I find it's useful for is if I have an amygdala trauma loop kind of thing happening where I get triggered by something and I'm like I get super on edge, like if I'm on the verge of getting super annoyed or angry, or having a more acute situation of anxiety, picture like the IRS knocking on your door, or fight with your girlfriend, something that you're like, “Ugh.” And you're kind of getting that fight-or-flight.
The oxytocin has a way of kind of rounding out sharp emotions. Not that you can bypass them. Obviously, there's something going on and you have to deal with it on a psychological and spiritual level. But, it does seem to kind of like relax me a little bit if I'm having a moment where I kind of freak out. So, cool.
Ben: I'm into it. There will be no freak-out moment.
Luke: No. Next one is something that could put someone in a mental institution for their entire life if they drank that. And this is, again, a very specifically measured LSD. I think it's called–
Ben: Those, I'm going to guess [00:23:50] ______.
Luke: I think it was called Pink Cloud or something. Pink something. Anyway, it's a pharmaceutical super, super-pure LSD. And it's in ethanol. And it's measured so that one little drop is one-twentieth of a hit of acid.
Ben: So, about five micrograms.
Luke: I think it is that, yes.
Luke: And as long as you only get the one drop, you're only getting the nootropic effect and no psychoactive effect that's discernible in any way, which took me a long time to procure because it's not the type of thing that I would like want to get from someone it wasn't reputable and didn't know the chemist that made it, and all that stuff. Obviously, on camera, I can't see where it came from.
Ben: For the longest time, and by the way, LSD is amazing for a day in which you need to solve problems. Analytical and creative thinking merge, ready to use it. For the longest time, Lysergi, if you happen to have cryptocurrency or Bitcoin, was the best place to buy these lysergamides, like LSD analogs.
Luke: You can get LSDP on that, because I can.
Ben: But, that site no longer exists.
Luke: Are you serious?
Ben: So, there are other–
Luke: Because [00:25:03] ______ talk about it.
Ben: There are other not for human consumption websites where you can purchase these lysergamides. You can also purchase in a very similar fashion to how you can get LSD or variants of it, like PLSD which works very similarly.
Luke: Right, PLSD. That's what Dr. Ted was telling me about.
Ben: Yeah, you can also get from a lot of these websites 4-AcO-DMT. And 4-AcO-DMT is extremely similar to psilocybin, but it's standardized dosage. You don't have to mess how to figure out, how much is in the stalk, how much is in the head.
The reaction to it is almost identical to that of psilocybin. And very similarly, you can mix it up, you can microdose, you can mix it with the Lion's Mane, etc. It works almost exactly the same as psilocybin.
Ben: And that one also you can buy in powder, you can buy in liquid. And these are usually like chemistry websites that you get this kind of stuff. So, proceed with caution with any of this stuff, the same way as you would proceed with caution with stuff you can get off Amazon, meaning caffeine powder on Amazon, and kill yourself, literally. The toxicity of caffeine is remarkably low. You take a couple of tablespoons of a caffeine powder. You can just buy bulk and you can die.
Luke: Holy crap.
Ben: I mean, anything can be dangerous.
Luke: You just reminded me of something. Let me see if I have this thing in here. I probably hid it from myself so it didn't happen again. But, one day I was going to get frisky.
Ben: And, by the way, as you're digging for that, please note that there was no way in hell that Luke has children. Because if you're in my house, this is exactly about the height of a ten-year-old boy.
Luke: Yeah. That would be in a safe, right? What I was looking for–here it is. God, this is evil stuff. Yohimbine HCl. One day I was going to get a little frisky and I was like, “Yohimbine” aphrodisiac, enhancer of sex. I didn't realize this was a pharmaceutical extract of the Yohimbine bark. And it's super strong and I kind of eyeballed a dose. And it's the closest I've ever been to taking myself to the hospital. My heart was exploding out of my chest. I turned beet red. I was sweating. It was the worst anxiety I've ever had in my life.
Ben: I'm sure, with sex, it must have been amazing.
Luke: Yeah, totally.
Ben: Or, non-existent.
Luke: Well, that's just from the sex. But, the I only reason I didn't go to the hospital, I was like, “What are they going to do?” I was like, “tsk.” And I took a sauna. I took a bunch of charcoal. I did everything I could to get it out me.
Ben: So, the best thing you can do is sweats, consume a binder, like charcoal or [00:27:38] ______ and just sit it out.
Luke: So, to your point, all of this stuff that we're talking about, I don't want to be a promoter of things that are dangerous. These are just things I've researched, you researched.
Ben: Yeah, these are tools.
Luke: You have to be really careful.
Ben: God has covered this planet that we live on with all sorts of amazing molecules. It's not to say you take each and every one of them every day. If you were to open, well, not your refrigerator, but my refrigerator, like I said, there's actual sprouts, fish, and meats, and mayonnaise, and mustard.
Open my refrigerator and say, “Holy gosh, Ben. Do you eat all this stuff every day?” No. If I'm going to have an Italian meal, I'm having the rosemary and the thyme and, maybe, some lamb meatballs and a little bit of a millet pasta or a zucchini spiralized pasta or something like that and some extra-virgin olive oil.
And so, everything is used at a certain time in a certain place with wisdom and precise dosages. So, I think a lot of people see things like this, a video like this, and want to do it all, all the things.
You need to educate yourself and learn over time what works for you and then use things for specific circumstances. LSD, if you have a very analytical and creative thinking day. Something like psilocybin for, maybe, a nature hike or a hunt or some plant foraging. Something like the oxytocin for sex or a sane dose of Yohimbine.
And so, it's just like cooking. You put in a little bit of this, a little bit of that when the time calls for it. But you don't open up the spice cabinet and dump every spice into the pot.
Luke: Alright. Thank you for that. I always like to give a little disclaimer because I'm responsible for anyone doing crazy shit. Alright.
So, some of these stuff, Ben, is just–
Ben: Kion Lean, that's the best thing you have in there.
Luke: Yeah. Some of the things are just standard, but the Kion Lean, I really like the idea of this because at night, I would say I'm full ketosis all the time during the day, but I just generally avoid carbs; but, at night, I want to have some wild blueberries or, I don't know, some gluten-free crackers or something from time to time. When I understand this stuff, it helps you kind of get away with carbs. So, explain this to me and the people.
Ben: It just assists with healthy blood sugar management. I, as the founder of that company, if you were holding up anything else I could speak with [00:30:12] ______.
Luke: I picked the one product [00:30:14] ______.
Ben: But, I have learned from a legal standpoint, I can say that that supports healthy blood sugar management. The idea being that if you were to eat carbs and you didn't want them to spike your blood glucose, the active ingredients of that, bitter melon extract and rock lotus can assist with that.
And what I like that for, also, if you're not going to have it before an evening carb refeed. If you're doing a cyclic keto thing and you want to get back in ketosis faster after you've topped off your carbohydrates stores at the end of the day because you are going to hit the gym the next morning and you want to make sure you can go glycolytic in the gym.
You can also use it for something that we were talking about earlier, like the cold. You can actually enhance the drop in blood glucose and the shift of white adipose tissue to brown fat, particularly, with the bitter melon extract. So, it's a very good supplement for cold thermogenesis as well.
Luke: So, I can have this before the ice bath?
Ben: I have a lot of people pop two of those and then a cup of coffee because the caffeine from the coffee will enhance the fatty acid utilization before they go do the cold. Typically, for somebody who I'm trying to help lose weight, the wake up they'll do a cup of coffee or any other source of caffeine like green tea, two Kion Lean, 20 to 30 minutes of aerobic fasted cardio. And then, finish that with about two to five minutes of cold. That's a very good strategy for staying lean.
Luke: Good, because I want to be more lean. That's good to know.
Ben: I was going to say something, bud. You said it.
Luke: Next thing is peptides. So, this is my new morning routine right here. Now, I'm out of what I'm normally doing which I learned about from you is the BPC-157. And I have some issues with my shoulder and just random spots that hurt. And so, at first, I was just doing it subcutaneous, just like in my belly fat, just thinking, “Well, it's just going to go everywhere.” Then, I started doing them where I had tendon inflammation in my elbow. But then, I heard that if you do subcutaneous even at the site of an injury that your bloodstream just picks it up and it just goes everywhere anywhere, so it doesn't really get in there.
But then, I started doing it right into the muscle right here that's inflamed or, who knows what it is, right into it. And it's helped a lot, that BPC-157. What do you think about that?
Ben: If you speak with a peptides manufacturer–Tailor Made Compounding is where I get a lot of my peptides because they use amino acid sequences that allow them to create a very clean peptide, all right, no amino acid sequences that are not the peptide that it says it has in there. They will tell you peptides work systemically. You could inject an anti-inflammatory like BPC-157 into adipose tissue, like two inches to the left to the right of your belly-button and get the effects in your knee or on tennis elbow.
That being said, if you go to any good regenerative medicine physician, for example, a good example would be Dr. Matthew Cook in San Jose, he will take a big, long needle and in the same way that you'd inject placental matrix or stem cell or exosomes into a joint, will do that with BPC-157.
Luke: Oh, really?
Luke: Oh, yeah.
Ben: So, I think, based on personal experience and speaking with some of these docs who are kind of on the cutting edge, that as close as you can get it to the site of injury, the better.
Although, the lion's share of folks who talk to you about peptides will say, “Don't put it anywhere. It's going to systemically work.”
Luke: Right. That's kind of the conflicting information I'm getting. And until I subjectively had the experience of putting it right in the shoulder muscle and having it get better, that's kind of what I thought.
Ben: I mean, I go, so for example, I recently had a toe issue the last Spartan Race I did. This toe, it's not that you can see it's still just a little bit bigger, that left toe. See this kind of bump right here?
Luke: Yeah, yeah.
Ben: So, I was literally going, and I did this about seven times, long insulin syringe right into there, directly. And you just kind of bite your tongue and inject it all in. But, I mean, the pain disappeared almost instantly after doing that a few times.
Luke: Really? With the BPC-157?
Ben: With BPC-157, yeah. And I didn't notice anything when doing it systemically up in the abs. So, I really think there's something to be said for localized peptides.
Luke: I'm going to keep doing that. I think if I can't figure out how to get it into a tendon right here, it's so fucking painful, dude. You start to put that needle in and it's like, “Ah.”
Ben: You just go to a happy place. It does kind of hurt.
Luke: It's gnarly.
The other one I've really been digging is the DSIP, deep sleep-inducing peptide. Have you heard this one?
Ben: I have, yeah. You take that about an hour before you go to bed. And that one you do inject systemically because it's kind of possible [00:35:15] ______.
Luke: I've noticed your deep sleep scores are higher when you do it.
Ben: But, consider this. It's during REM sleep that your body shifts into a ketotic state. And that's where you increase your metabolic flexibility and your substrate utilization of fats. And that's also, and I know you're pretty familiar with deuterium-depleted water, it's during REM sleep that your body makes its own deuterium-depleted water.
Luke: Oh, [censored].
Ben: So, if your only goal is to maximize deep sleep and you're sacrificing REM sleep, then, arguably you're limiting some of the substrate utilization and some of the very beneficial deuterium-depleted water your body would normally create.
So, well, more deep sleep is good but maximizing deep sleep at the cost of REM sleep is not necessarily a good thing. So, you want to be careful. If you take DSIP and your deep sleep goes up to, let's say, 30%, which is not uncommon, but REM sleep drops to 5%, then, you need to be careful.
Luke: Oh, yeah. That hasn't been happening for me. I haven't looked at the percentages lately but I've probably averaged an hour and a half of each. And then, maybe, sometimes with this peptide, I might get up to two hours of deep; but, I'm still getting my same hour and a half of REM.
Ben: The other issue with DSIP is the tachyphylactic response to it, meaning the tolerance to it and the need for increasing dosages sets in pretty quickly. So, it's something to use sparingly such as you've gone to a movie, you know you've had a ton of bright light at night, you get back, take 60 milligrams of melatonin and some DSIP, in a situation like that, when you know you need to just shrug yourself in those deep sleep suckers.
Luke: Right. Or, hacking jetlag or something like that.
Luke: Sometimes [00:37:00] ______. Cool. And then the other one PT-141.
Ben: I'm not familiar with PT-141.
Luke: PT-141 is an aphrodisiac, sort of Viagra-type of peptide. I'm single at the moment so I don't want to wake up with a sore arm so I'm not taking it. But when I was dating, I tried it a few times. It works but it's so hard to time. It's so random. So, you think like, “Okay, it's seven o'clock. Maybe I'll take it now and by 9:00 or 10:00, we'll probably go into bed and have a need for it.” And nothing different really happens. I'm out of the ordinary. And then like at 4:00 in the morning, you wake up like a 16-year-old with a popped tent in your bed. And it's like it's got some value there if you really wanted to do some work, but if the timing is so random that I can't figure it out, hence, I kind of left it alone.
Ben: I recall now. I actually had heard Carl Lanore of Super Human Radio, who occasionally podcasts about peptides, talk about PT-141 and compared it to the old bodybuilding peptide, Melanotan, which you would inject to induce a tan without the tanning cream or the tanning lotion. And the side effect of that is big boners.
I used Melanotan a few times and had almost like a priapismic-like reaction, meaning that I got boners during the night that would keep me up because it wouldn't go away for five or six hours. And you can't sleep and your dick hurts when you wake up. So, I got pretty disillusioned with that stuff pretty quickly.
I actually got a nice tan in a week. I was developing this nice bronze tan, but not worth it. I mean, even if you are doing it for sexual performance, let's face it, not many folks are using something like that so they can have five to six hours of sex every night.
And you talk about deep sleep disruption, that's not getting much sleep.
So, I mean, I'd rather use just something that very quickly induces a boner, like nitroglycerine creams. It's very good for that. You just smear a little bit on your scrotum and you're off to the races.
Luke: What? Really?
Ben: Keep a little bit of that next to your bedside.
Luke: Oh, damn.
Ben: You need to be careful because that stuff is so efficacious. If you've taken beetroot extract or anything with sildenafil in it like Viagra, your blood pressure will drop so low you can pass out. So, if you use a nitroglycerin cream, just make sure you don't use other vasodilatory substances around with it.
Luke: Dude, brod, I think I'm going to take the audio from this and make it like a bonus to the actual podcast.
Ben: Honestly, I thought that's weird anyway.
Luke: We'll do a real interview because I want to talk about a little more of the non-physical element. But we're almost done here.
Luke: The rest of it is there's a couple of things [00:39:48] ______ standard superfoods and stuff like that. But, there's a couple of things I wanted to get your take on.
Ben: Yeah, he's got [00:40:04] ______.
Luke: I've been on this stuff for years and, I mean, there's enough research to indicate that it is going to help your testosterone levels. But, subjectively, it's very good for performance. Have you messed with pine pollen at all?
Ben: Yeah, and it's the way that trees reproduce. You go and find a pine cone, you get the pollen out, and you can harvest that stuff yourself if you live in a forested area. Although, getting it from SurThrival is probably easier.
I've used it. I didn't notice enough of an effect to really keep using it. But, the data on it is good. I mean, if you wanted to experiment with it to see how it does for you, probably the first person that made that popular was Tim Ferriss who said in “4-Hour Body” that you should have some pine pollen with a big fatty steak to jack up your hormones before you go out on date night. And there's a lot of people who anecdotally had a lot of success with pine pollen. I don't use it but it can work.
Luke: Piracetams, in the nootropic category. As you can see, I have a really large can of piracetam. This [censored], the rest of piracetams, I don't really notice anything. But, piracetam, which is probably arguably the most mild of them all, a heaping teaspoon or even a tablespoon of this before I have to speak on stage or record a podcast is my verbal acuity and ability to articulate, and word recall is off the charts.
Ben: And I'll tell you how to put piracetam on steroids and amplify that effect on a clean manner.
Luke: Okay, listening.
Ben: Initially, the way to do it was to take some of that stuff from Neurohacker Collective, Qualia Mind.
Luke: Got that.
Ben: Or, Qualia Focus. And co-administer that with the piracetam.
But, now, there are two peptides that work extremely well with piracetam.
One peptide is a topical. You smear it on either side of your neck, right around the carotid artery. It's called Dihexa and you take that same time as piracetam. And then, also, an intranasal peptide called cerebrolysin. It's also known as Semax. So, you do a couple of sprays nasally of the Semax. You smear some of the Dihexa on either side of your neck. You take some piracetam. And you could approximate it to the way that you would feel on Modafinil.
So, the problem with Modafinil is it turns you into a little bit of a robot. You get extremely systematic, logical, type-a.
And it works as advertised. I mean, it will keep you up when you are sleep-deprived extremely well. You'll still feel a little bit of sleep drive but you just don't fall asleep. And so, it works very well if you–I'll occasionally take Modafinil if, for example, I'm flying Seattle to Tokyo, getting into Tokyo at 10:00 p.m., finally get into my hotel, go to bed at midnight and I got to be speaking on stage of the conference at 8:00 a.m. the next day. And so, I know I'm going to be jet-lagged on three hours of sleep. That's the time when I'll take Modafinil.
Luke: Me too.
Ben: And even then, I'll take half a tablet.
Luke: Oh, yeah. I've never taken more than a half. A quarter to me is like–
It's interesting you described it that way with Modafinil. And I agree. It's kind of an emergency thing that I use if I just don't get any sleep or especially for traveling. But, it's not very good for being around people.
Ben: Yeah, exactly.
Luke: When I'm on Modafinil and I'm on my computer and someone talks to me, I get really irritated. I can't have my focus broken. It makes your focus so good that it's hard to kind of–it's not really a flow state. It's like a [censored]–I guess, you said [00:43:54] ______
Ben: I don't want to be on Modafinil around my wife and kids. You're a robot.
Luke: You're like, “Stop talking.”
Ben: I suppose, maybe, I've never done this, maybe, you take oxytocin at the same time that you take it and [00:44:04] ______ a job, who knows?
Ben: But, that piracetam, Dihexa, Semax combo is amazing.
Luke: On it. I'm doing it. That's my new podcast formula.
The very last thing I wanted to get your take on, which I've kind of cycled in and out of, and this brand I just randomly picked up at Erewhon, because I was like, “You know, I want some exogenous ketones.” What's your current take on the ketones that you can eat?
Ben: They're efficacious. I mean, if you want to shift yourself into what you could arguably say is an unnaturally high state of ketosis that you would, from an ancestral standpoint, had achieved via fasting and carbohydrate mitigation, but you want to stack extra ketones on top of that for extra fuel for the liver or the diaphragm or the brain or the heart, if you are an athlete and you want rocket fuel, you take a good carbohydrate gel, like glucose and maltodextrin or fructose and maltodextrin and then you take ketones at the same time and you can have elevated levels of blood glucose and ketones. So, you've got the best of both worlds flowing through your system at the same time.
Luke: Oh, at the same time. Oh, wow.
Ben: It's useful for that. Ketone esters, particularly, are very good at modulating the NF-kappa B pathway, which can shut down inflammation particularly related to something I know you're keen on, jetlag or airline travel.
Luke: Oh, my god. Yeah.
Ben: So, if you take some ketone esters before you fly or after you fly, or both, not only is it a great appetite suppressor and a calorie restriction mimetic, but it also shuts down a lot of the inflammation associated with jetlag. Dom Agostino has done a ton of research on ketones for neural inflammation, for TBI, for concussion.
I've used them when freediving and spearfishing to increase breath-hold time, which they work [00:45:55] ______.
Luke: Oh, no kidding?
Ben: So, again, it's a cool tool in the toolbox. I don't think they taste all that great, but the safety and efficacy profile is pretty good. You would have to take a lot to shift yourself into ketoacidosis. You'd have to be 10, 11 millimolar of ketones.
However, if you're taking a regular dosage of it and you're one of those people who measures ketones with a blood or breath-based ketone monitor and normally you're at one or two or, maybe on a good day, three, you take that stuff and you're like instantly at seven to eight millimolar. So, I mean, it shifts you into ketosis extremely fast.
Luke: Wow, I only have one way to test and it's the breath, little breath acetone, a little “shh.”
Ben: Is it the Kuito, KUITO?
Ben: The Kuito, the level, all those are approximating blood levels of beta-hydroxybutyrate by measuring breath acetone. It's somewhat accurate. It's not as accurate as one measurement, but far more convenient. And it works for most people to get a decent idea.
Luke: It's just funny because I've test them and I haven't eaten any carbs in a day and I still never get above a three, though, which is light ketosis. I'm like, “What the hell?” And I think that's what prompted me. I was like, “I'm going to take some guy down ketones.”
What I noticed when I take the exogenous ketones is I have an incredible amount of energy. That's crazy. And mental energy too. It's really good for focusing stuff.
So, that's what I'm at with it.
[00:47:22] Kion Coffee
Okay, last thing in the kitchen is, I've gone back and forth with a few different coffees, I don't have it in the bag, I have it in here, but then, I saw that you were doing coffee and I thought, “Those are your beans, right?”
Ben: Oh, gosh. That smells like Kion.
Luke: Yeah, Kion Coffee. And I was like, “What Ben's doing, he's going to be doing it great.” And then, I read kind of the stats on the on the Kion site and it's not only tested for mold but there's higher antioxidant levels and all this next-level [censored].
So, give me like the spiel on why your coffee is awesome because it's what I'm on now. And I have it on my [00:47:56] ______.
Ben: Just a cup's really good. I mean, we had a cup by some different professional cuppers. It ranks very high for its cupping score, meaning the flavor profile is just really good for espresso, for French press, for a regular drip coffee pour-over, whatever.
The beans are hand-selected for symmetry. So, there's not a lot of chipped beans, meaning that the roasting is very even. And that contributes to that flavor profile being so good.
Luke: Oh, trippy.
Ben: It's all single origin. Only 3% of the coffees in the world are organic. And this is organic. I think the batch right now is Guatemala and Costa Rica for the beans.
And then we package it using a nitrogen flushing type of packaging. So, it's extremely fresh. There's always a roast date on it. Don't keep it in your freezer like a lot of people do. Keep it room temp as soon as you get the bag.
These types of containers you have where you push down and you get out of the air out of it. I like the one, Coffee Gator has a good container I use for that. It just sucks all the air out of the coffee.
And yeah, it's organic, very symmetrical bean. We tested it against 43 other brands of coffee and it ranked the highest in terms of antioxidants.
And I think there was one other coffee that had a slightly higher score on antioxidants. And then, the mold and mycotoxin profile is basically non-existent which, for me, is the biggest thing. I don't want mold or mycotoxins on my coffee.
Luke: Oh, my god. Yeah.
Ben: And so, there are a lot of coffee companies that are organic or have high antioxidant, or cup really well, or have low mold and mycotoxins, or are from farms where it's sustainably sourced and ethically grown, but Kion ticks all of those boxes, which I don't think many other coffees do.
Luke: I'm stoked. I love it.
Last thing on the coffee is I think I heard you talking about how the oils in the coffee get oxidized if you grind it and let it sit there. So that you always recommend grinding the coffee, which is what I do right before you make it and doing the French press.
Ben: You grind it right before you make it.
Luke: So, if you're buying like bags of coffee that are already ground, those oils are oxidized, is it true?
Ben: Exactly. And I mean it's, cut open an apple and eat it five hours later it's just not as good. It oxidizes. It's brown. It changes the flavor profile. So, you want a fresh grind. Fresh grind and appropriate grind, the coarse grind for French press, thinner grind for an espresso. So, that's important as well. I grew up with a father who was a gourmet coffee roaster and had to learn a lot about the settings on the grind for espresso versus French press. And the water is very important too.
Aside from the bean, the type of water that you use is one of the most important things for coffee. And if you use structured water, water that has that extra bit of bonding between the hydrogen's and the oxygen and the external vessel within which the water is contained, you get a better flavor profile on the coffee as well, because it travels with the beans.
Luke: You just reminded me of the last thing that I wanted to show you in here.
So, I use Live Spring Water which is these guys from Oregon. It comes in glass.
Ben: You got this stuff shipped to you from Oregon?
Luke: I used to go collect it myself and I still do sometimes. I have a bunch of 5-gallon glass carboys in the garage and I find springs around Southern California and wherever I am, and go fill up. And then I keep it in the garage covered. But then, my friend, [00:51:40] ______ started this company and he delivers it. So, it's much easier.
So, what I'm doing now is I'm doing like, I'm on another deuterium-depleted water thing, so I'll do, I'll mix this. This is 65 parts per million. So, I'll mix half this and half the spring water.
Ben: So, you're dropping the deuterium content of the spring water?
Luke: Yeah. And the spring water is 139, which is really low. Most of your average, like municipal water is going to be close to ocean water, 150, 155. So, this is already low deuterium water in itself, but it's not technically depleted. So, I dilute that by about half. And then, I put it over here on the vitalizer.
Ben: Okay. So, you're spiralizing and destructure it?
Luke: Yeah. Well, then, you got an infrared. Might be hard for the camera back here, but you have infrared going, which is great. You could use sunlight too if you needed to.
Luke: So, that's structuring that water.
Ben: Amazing. And this is based off a Gerald Pollack‘s research in University of Washington. He's shown that the water structure is more efficiently when exposed to infrared light. That's great.
Luke: Cool, right?
Ben: That's a cool system. I did that.
Luke: Yeah, I'm stoked. I may just have that panel from Joovv and I have the big one. So, I was like, “What am I going to do with this?” [00:52:56] ______ fit right there.
Ben: Oh, dude. We need to put all this stuff in the shownotes for people, for sure. And then, tell me about this. You have, that's a Somavedic.
Ben: I have one of those in my office, but what are you doing with it with the water?
Luke: Well, the Somavedic also restructures the water. And how is a little hard for me to explain. But I am interviewing the inventor next week. But the Somavedic goes about 100 feet in every direction and it's made from all of these different crystals and minerals and whatnot. And so, it creates a radiating field. And not all of the units do this but some of them restructure the water in a way that I can't begin to explain. But I needed it in my house, anyway, just to mitigate any EMF. So, I thought I will just keep it where the water is.
Ben: I like the Somavedic products. My only complain about them is the intensive blue light.
Luke: The blue light.
Ben: Looking at the research, the number one place I would put it aside for my office, which is where my Somavedic is right now, would be the bedroom. And instead, I have the BluShield Cube in the bedroom because it's dark and black, and the Somavedic in the office.
I would love to do some sleep experiments with the Somavedic but I just–
Luke: I do.
Ben: I could probably throw a pillowcase over it or something, but they need to get rid of blue light.
Luke: I am going to tell them that. I got three of them. So, I have one in my office next to the Wi-Fi router. Then, I have one in my bedroom bathroom which I have a BluShield Cube in there too. And he's like, “Which one of these do you like the best?” I'm like, “I don't know because I plugged in all three because I'm just hardcore.” And I said, “I would like whatever one doesn't have blue light.” Which is why I put it down here in the lowest possible place.
Ben: And until I saw yours here, I was unaware that they made one that, yours has blue light at the base, the one I have is just like the entire thing is kind of light.
Luke: I think you have to put something over the top of it. I have the amp coil too and I love that thing. But, the same thing. They installed a blue light in it. So, every time you turn on at night, just–
Ben: Same thing with Dr. William Pawluk who makes a great pulsed electromagnetic sleep mat called the BioBalance that stays on the entire night with settings for alpha wave, gamma wave, theta wave, etc. But, the dashboard on it is like the brightest blue light you've ever seen. So, if you turn over at night, I just put a book on top of it.
Some of these manufacturers in the biohacking industry, I think they'll eventually catch on, you got to pay attention to the actual panels that you use.
Luke: Dude, what would I have to do is I do these TrueDark stickers. I put them on every little blue light on here. I took the TrueDark panel, the blue-blocking panel, and wrapped this fluorescent light in it.
Ben: Oh, wait. What did you do here?
Luke: I wrapped the TrueDark panel around the fluorescent light.
Ben: So, this is your oven light?
Ben: So, if you're cooking at night, that's a good idea. Because I have one of these overheads in the kitchen.
Luke: And, I did the fridge too. I put the TrueDark panels in the fridge over the little blue LED's.
Ben: Oh, such a good idea. I need to do that. I'll have to relisten to this podcast after we record it and remember a few of these things that [00:56:09] ______.
Luke: The funny thing about this, and even up here, that [censored] shines right in your face when you open your kitchen.
Ben: Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
Luke: Because I have all amber incandescent bulbs in the whole house. So, you get used to that and then I really noticed when I walked by the dishwasher, I'm like, “Ah, god.”
Ben: I always wear my red-light glasses at night. I use those wraparound RA Optics. But, I would like to do this because my wife and kids rarely put on their glasses. They all have glasses but I just really put them on. So, I'd like to do this in the kitchen and the refrigerator just to make it easier on them, so I don't have to tell them to put on.
Ben: I don't tell them to put on glasses. But, even those friendly nudges, “Where are your glasses?”
Luke: It's there's a fine line between being controlling and codependent and just caring about someone and knowing. When you know the science on this stuff, it's hard to not go, “[00:57:01] ______.”
Ben: It's little things. My kids love the decorations in the room. And so, they have Christmas lights everywhere. And I finally replaced all their Christmas lights with incandescent. But, sometimes, you need to find little fixes like that so they can kind of have their cake and eat it too. They don't know the difference between Christmas light that are incandescent and the regular ones. But, I feel [00:57:21] ______.
Luke: Right. They're going to have less headaches, less flicker.
Luke: So, the TrueDark stickers are a game-changer. Alright, dude. That's it for the kitchen.
Ben: Okay. I guess the one thing I should say because, again, we just talked about a shit ton of stuff and, I think, sometimes people, just like they tune out. So, like, “I can't do all these shit. These guys are crazy.” Find the things that work for you.
If happiness and simplicity is what you need in your life, then, maybe you don't want the LSD and the Modafinil and the Yohimbine; but, you're just going to do one thing. You're going to, say, “Okay, I want a little bit more energy during the day, I'm going to try some ketone esters this month and just see how they work.”
You don't have to drop 2K and by everything that we were just talking about. And I really want to encourage people that it's okay to not take the all-or-nothing approach. It's okay to just try a couple of things. See what agrees with you.
And what's happened for me is that there are just a few things that I use on a regular basis. I take organ meat capsules now on a regular basis because they really agree with me.
Luke: Oh, yeah. What do you think of these guys right here, speaking of that?
Ben: Huge fan. Ancestral Supplements.
Luke: The Ancestral Supplements?
Ben: Yeah. Then, Paleovalley. There's a few good companies now that make organ meats. I've been on a kick especially when I travel because I feel remarkably healthier when I travel. And, granted, it's a lot of pills, but I take adrenal heart, liver, thyroid, lung, and brain from Ancestral Supplements. And that's just my mix when I travel. Because when I'm at home, like I said, I've got organ meats in fridge typically from US Wellness Meats, like the Braunschweiger and the head cheese.
I bow hunt, so I've usually got a little bit of extra organ meat from whatever animal I've hunted.
But, when I travel, I don't have a little cooler for a liver with me. So, I take the organ meats. There are, maybe, seven other supplements I use on a regular basis: fish oil, creatine, a couple of those nootropics we talked about, some peptides. And then, everything else is just kind of occasionally when the time arises. I talked about LSD, for example.
On very creative and analytical thinking day where, maybe, I'm meeting with my team at Kion for the day and we're coming up with all our new ideas for supplements or what we want to do that quarter. That's a day where I want to be creative and analytical. So, that would be like a microdose of LSD type of day.
But, ultimately, the takeaway message I would say that's important for folks is just start small, pick a few things in each category, like sleep or brain or recovery. Have a couple of things that you can utilize via better living through science for those particular pinpoints. And then, understand that you have a lot of time to kind of cycle through and try some other things; but, don't get everything at once because, then, you're just going to have this dizzying array of stuff that stresses you out and doesn't help you.
Luke: I 100% agree. And, if I could give my one recommendation, well, two, actually, the number one thing would be get really good clean water because that's basically what you're made of and focus on anything that helps you sleep, like sleep and really great, hopefully, spring water.
That's the stuff. If you could take all this shit away, that's all I would keep. It would be really good water and whatever optimizes my sleep.
Luke: Yeah. I forgot one thing.
Ben: Of course, you did.
Luke: Kratom, another controversial one. Myself, having a history with drug abuse, which thankfully I've been rescued from for many, many years, I'm very careful.
Ben: I think there's some people who would look at your supplements cabinet and say you still abuse.
Luke: Yeah. I think so too.
But, with things like microdosing and psychedelics, it's a slippery slope for most of us. And that's another caveat I would give to anyone that's had a history with that. I feel firmly grounded in the idea that I'm not going to run around and drink alcohol and do cocaine and all the shit that I used to do.
But kratom is something I heard about a while ago. And because it's kind of a natural opiate, I was really afraid to try it. But then, I have a persistent pain and I don't want to take painkillers. So, I started experimenting with it and I have not had any problems at all feeling addicted to it. I don't crave it. I don't miss it. I don't think about it when I don't have it. All of the hallmarks for me that show me that I'm addicted to something or completely absent. Take it or leave it. And I know kind of my dose where I can take it and maybe relax. If I want to chill at one point at night, if it's been a long day or traveling, or if I do have some gnarly back pain or an injury, it really helps with that. But I have accidentally, my former girlfriend, when I made me some and I don't know, she is more tolerant, and I got really nauseous and I just had to lay down for three hours. It was a really horrible [01:02:28] ______.
Ben: [01:02:29] ______ wobbly.
Luke: Yeah. Just like the worst part of an opiate experience with no euphoria, just [01:02:36] ______.
Ben: Because it does work on those opioid receptors?
Luke: Yeah. So, you have to be really careful. But, the other thing that I found that my stomach tolerates a lot more is the kratom extract which is like a 50x boiled down, essentially, of the leaf.
Ben: Where did you get that?
Luke: I'll put the link in the shownotes and I'll share it with you.
Luke: But, I think, it might be the place where I get my nootropics, like piracetam and stuff. Those sites get shut down all the time so I can't remember the name because they always change. But, this crystalline extract, I mean, a quarter of a gram or a half a gram kills pain like you just took eight ibuprofens. And you can take it to the point where you don't feel high, but it does kill pain and also relax you.
I think, the difference between the extract and the raw powder is you have to take such a minute amount of the extract that it doesn't mess with your stomach or digestion at all. And it's a little more of a head high versus a lethargic body high. That's been my experience.
But, it's also something that, I think, people should be really careful with.
Ben: It's a little bit of a liver toxicity profile, too. So, you need to be a little bit careful if you have elevated liver enzymes, the same as you would want to be with kava, for example. Very similar as far as the alkaloid profile.
Luke: Oh, the “Leaf of Faith” documentary.
Ben: Right. And it's a very, very wonderful alternative to opioids. Safer, less addictive. Certain strains kind of like marijuana can be uppers or downers. So, there are certain strains you can take for sleep. I believe it's–I forget it now if it's the red or the green that you would take for sleep. And then, the other one's more energizing.
But, the only kratom I use now occasionally is, because of the combination of the uplifting and the painkilling effect, pre-workout for like a hard workout where I know I actually need to go to the pain cave, I have used the one that Chris Bell makes, called Mind Bullet. They market it as a nootropic. And the dosage is two. Before a pretty hefty workout, I'll take four of those and it seems to work pretty well.
Luke: Oh, damn. I didn't know he got into the business. Interesting. He's a cool guy, listens to my episode you did, actually, Mind Bullet.
Ben: Mind Bullet.
Luke: Okay. So, it's one thing I wanted to cover and definitely one beware because a good friend of mine who I told about, and he's a former addict, not even an opiate addict but just former other stuff addict. And I was like, “Be careful, dude. There's a potential for addiction.” He's like, “No, I'll be careful sure enough.” He starts using it too many days a week and then runs out or decides to stop and had three days of somewhat mild opiate withdrawal symptoms, which would be restless legs, can't sleep, feeling kind of antsy and sweaty. I know that feeling. I experienced that in my former life.
So, I'm like, “Wow, if it could happen to him, it could happen to anyone.” So, that was a good warning for me to really be careful and not overdo it with frequency.
Ben: Same could be said for the Starbucks Quad Latte [01:05:47] ______. Stop that for a few days you feel pretty shitty, too.
Luke: Right. But, like all plant medicines it's, I think, about intention, having a little discernment and some self-awareness and self-discipline so that you don't go off the deep end. Like you said, if you look at myself and my cabinet, you're like, “Wow, you're addicted.” And I would say, psychologically, definitely. So, I'm always kind of taking things from the outside to change the inside. And that's just something that I'm aware of myself. But, it's also something I find really fun and it's like my hobby to play with the human body. Could I leave all this shit and still be happy and have a great life? Yeah, but it's like why not? It's fun and interesting to do it.
Ben: I do dig stuff like this where you're digging into. It's pretty rare that, well, I won't lie, because it's expensive for me to do this. But, I'll go to one of my clients' homes, literally just like fly to their city, go to their home, and just do a walk through everything. Like the EMF, the refrigerator, the supplements cabinet, etc. And it's fun to geek out on this kind of stuff and just go into somebody's domain and just like pick shit or advise them on stuff, “This is really good but here's a better alternative.”
So, I think that, maybe, for some people watching, cool business idea for you if you really dig this stuff and you're certified and you'd love to study it. I think, we need more people who are just well-versed who can do or a TV show where people go into people's homes and redesign the homes, not like [01:07:13] ______.
Luke: Yeah. It's like a home makeover.
Ben: Yeah, like a home makeover, except it's a health makeover, right? You go to people's homes. So, there's a business idea for some young, energetic person who's keen on this stuff, just start a business, go to people's homes, holding all this kind of stuff.
Luke: It's funny that you mentioned that because when I first started the podcast, that was my original business model. I even made a name for it, the Bio Coach. And my first client was Neil Strauss who's a mutual friend. I did not a client, I did it for free. But I was like, “I want to see how this works.” So, I went to his house and his was really fun because he had all canola oil, MSG, all the really, really gnarly stuff. And I walked out of there with two of those big target bands to just throw in the dumpster. I mean, literally eating poison. And he just had his kids.
Ben: I'd stay at his house before. I think, I stayed there right after I, maybe I shouldn't say names, professional snowboarder had just left and the fridge is full of Mountain Dew. Sometimes, you find shocking things in people's kitchens and homes. But, in their defense, I think, a lot of people just don't know or they have the supplements dialed in but don't know about the light or they've got the light dialed in but don't know about the EMF.
So, I think there's a growing need for kind of a service where you can go to people's homes and help them out with this kind of stuff.
Luke: Right. So, get to people.
Alright. We're officially done with the kitchen.
Luke: Let's move on.
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Luke: Here we are in the bedroom zone. And we're going to talk about a couple of the sleep optimization techniques and various things going on up here.
So, the first thing is my most recent acquisition and practice, which is the ozone generator. And I can't name the brand because I got it from a private manufacturer who wants to remain unnamed. But there are legitimate places you can get them. My thought here was I suspect that I have some systemic fungal infections as most people do. At various times I've had fungus on my feet, which is an indication that there's probably something inside.
So, I started doing the rectal infus–, what do you call them?
Luke: Insufflations of the old [whistle] which I'm not going to demonstrate on camera. That's why you have this stuff. But then, there's also something really interesting that I've been doing as well, which is ozone to the brain via the ears.
Ben: That's pretty cool.
Luke: And then, there's another one, ozone bagging for limbs.
Luke: And so, to work on the foot fungus, this goes to your foot or arm, or anything. This is for when people have like diabetic ulcers and crazy shit like that. But, I'm like, “Huh, have some pesky, like foot fungus.”
Ben: [01:12:58] ______ you forgot to wear your sandals in the locker room.
Luke: Yeah, exactly. Foot goes in there and you run a low-pressure ozone on your feet.
But this one is really cool because it's an airtight seal and you put it on half a liter of pressure. And then, you start to feel it going inside your skull. And the idea there is getting rid of any systemic fungal infections that could have made it up into your head.
And one thing you can also do with this, and again this is not sanctioned by any medical establishment, this is my own thing. So, don't try this at home, kids. The other thing is sometimes we get sinus infections, less so now that I'm living clean. So, what I'll do with that is I'll take a huge breath in, like [inhales heavily], and then hang upside down and run the ozone pressure all through the sinuses.
Ben: It should be fantastic too if you have biofilm, mycotoxin-related illness in your sinus passages.
Luke: And then, you've got to make sure that you [exhales strongly].
Ben: And so, this unit that you have, it came with all these connections for that?
Ben: That's interesting. I mean, I've used rectal insufflation before. And rectal or vaginal insufflation can be very effective for fungal issues and fungal overgrowth. But, hadn't seen the earpiece before or the ability to do it. I've seen the nebulizers where you nebulize it, but that is a cool setup. I do mean that.
Luke: It's cool, too, because when you do it in the head, it goes through all of your sinuses and everything too. So, if you have any kind of weird lymph shit, basically anything from chest up gets affected when you do it through the head.
Ben: The concentration a lot of people have, not a lot of people, but it's easier to use an ozone water generator where you're just drinking the ozonated water, but you're getting nowhere near the effect of the singlets that would damage the fungi that you'd be getting from something like this. That's pretty cool.
Luke: I've been working on the Frank Shallenberger book, “The Ozone Miracle.” It's covering up the logo on this right now.
Ben: I'm sorry.
Luke: That's okay.
But, the interesting thing with this book is he talks about all the different protocols and the concentrations of gamma that you want for the different things. Mine's just set on high for everything which is probably not the smartest way to do it.
So, I'm researching right now to get more accurate dosing so that I actually know what I'm doing, which I normally wouldn't wing something like this, but the ozone is relatively safe, anyway, as long as you don't breathe it in your lungs.
Ben: Exactly. Wow, very cool. “The Ozone Miracle,” by Frank Shallenberger.
Luke: He's kind of the guy, as far as I can tell, one of the foremost experts. I'm working on getting him on the show and covering ozone because it's weirdly something I haven't covered. But, it's useful for so many different things.
And then, there's a whole other mitochondrial oxygen issue that it's really good for too.
Ben: And if you need to, so if you had a machine like this or access to a machine like this, you can hit neural tissue, you can hit the sinus passages, you can do the rectum, you can do the vagina. But, the blood is difficult to get, so that's where that cool procedure that a lot of docs are increasingly using now, called ozone dialysis. It's amazing.
Luke: Is that the ten-pass IV?
Luke: I did a few rounds of that.
Ben: You can do ten-pass ozone. But, that ozone dialysis is a little bit different, where it's literally like passing the blood through a dialysis machine and ozonating it simultaneously.
Luke: Oh, really?
Ben: With ten-pass ozone, it's being ozonated but not filtered. Dr. Matt Cook, I interviewed him, he's got the clinic up in San Jose and he does that ozone dialysis.
Phil Lenoue, I just found him in Spokane, Washington and he's doing it too now.
Luke: Really? In your hometown.
Ben: I'm going to go in for a few days of it with Phil.
Luke: Oh, cool.
Ben: Probably this winter. And see what kind of sludge I can clear out from the [01:16:55] ______.
Luke: That Cook guy is the peptide guy too in San Jose?
Ben: Yeah, he's amazing.
Ben: I'm having dinner with him tonight.
Luke: Oh, cool.
Ben: We're recording a country music album tomorrow morning in L.A.
Luke: Are you really?
Ben: Yes. We're doing it. We both love country music. He blasted all over his office, so we decided to.
Luke: Oh, that's cool.
Ben: He has a patient who's a music guy and has a studio. So, we're going to go create some music.
Ben: Total Rebel.
Luke: Alright. The other thing which is part of the ozone setup is the air purifier. So, I have this Austin Air health made which is just a HEPA. And I keep it over near the ozone.
Ben: The air filter?
Luke: Yeah. I'm just blowing fresh air, basically, that blow away the ozone that I might be breathing in.
Ben: That's smart.
Luke: But, I've not really–I wanted to get a molecule. I've seen some different air purifiers out. I've had the Austin Air thing. I've had these for 20 years. But, now, you have more advanced air filtration. So, what are you working with at home right now?
Ben: I have, in my home, because I built it, all the venting has its own HEPA filtration system built-in called Our Air. And that uses UV light and HEPA.
Luke: Oh, sweet.
Ben: I've got a couple of those standalone Molekules. And the Molekule filter, for those of you who don't know about it, it's spelled with a “k.” It is not a HEPA filter. They use a microfiltration process that filters out things that are 1,000 times smaller than what a HEPA is going to catch. So, that's like the creme de la creme. Those are about, I think, 700 to 800 bucks for a single standalone unit. But it'll cover a room 400 to 600 square feet.
Luke: That's why I haven't gotten a Molekule yet. I linked them on my site just because I research it enough to think they're probably the best. But then, when I go to order, I'm like, “800 bucks, really?”
Ben: As with many of these things, like we were talking about downstairs in the kitchen where you've got blue light-producing devices, the Molekule does have a Wi-Fi. But, it's disable able. You can go into the settings and disable it.
So, just make sure, if you get a Molekule, you can go into the settings and make sure you turn off the Bluetooth and the Wi-Fi, especially if you've got that in your bedroom, for example.
Luke: Smart. That's the thing, when I moved in here, I installed all of these Sonos everywhere. And then, when I had Brian Hoyer over and doing the screening, every Sonos speaker is basically like a Wi-Fi router in your house. It's a freaking disaster.
Ben: Yeah. We hardwired our music system with Cat 6 children ethernet cable in the walls. And, again, I realize a lot of people can't do that because we built. So, we were able to definitely get-go.
Do you have a kill switch or an EMF, something like that [01:19:36] ______?
Luke: Yeah. EMF kill switch, I have downstairs. And it's going to be installed momentarily. What I do in here at night is there's a breaker box in the laundry room and I just kill all the power in here at night.
Ben: Just flip the breaker?
Ben: That's just amazing. EMF kill switch is hooked up to the main breaker of the house and you can just flip that, or can you control it remotely, like if you're laying in bed and [01:19:55] ______?
Luke: It has a remote and you can choose which breakers you want to turn on or off.
Ben: Perfect. It's a cool set up.
Luke: Yeah. So, that's going to be the game-changer. When I buy, I rent this place, when I buy, I'm going to do like you and just make a compound and do it right. But I don't want to spend the money on a place I'm renting right now. It's like it would be nice for the next renters. But, I'm not trying to put some money into their real estate holdings.
Okay. So, the next thing is spinal decompression. And this is something that used to be only available at chiropractic offices. And Glen from Pristine Hydro down in Laguna Beach, a great filtration system, which I'm about to install in front of my kitchen.
Ben: Wait, water filtration?
Luke: Yeah. I'm going to drink the spring water but I don't always want to use that for cooking and coffee and [01:20:39] ______.
Ben: So, Pristine Hydro is like a central filter, an under the sink type of thing?
Luke: And they put bicarb in the water. They vortex the water. They do the whole thing. It's pretty cool.
Ben: Very cool.
Luke: Yeah. As far as filtration, they're one of the best. I know you're pretty hip to the filtration stuff too and your dad makes something really great, also.
Ben: Yeah. The hydro energizers is the one he makes.
Luke: Cool. I've actually looked into it.
So, this guy, what's this thing called? It has a real name.
Luke: Oh, yeah. Saunders Lumbar Home Track.
Ben: [01:21:13] ______.
Luke: So, the way this works, it comes with a hand pump. But, Glen taught me how to hack it. So, you can use an air pump, which makes it super-fast.
Ben: For people listening, it's like this platform that you are laying down on, with a pump attached to it.
Luke: And what's going to happen is sort of a medieval stretching your spine. So, these straps go around your hips.
Ben: I got you, yeah.
Luke: These straps go around your ribs. And it pulls your lumbar spine apart and decompresses it.
Luke: And it feels so good.
Ben: I have this thing called Dr. Ho's decompression belt. You could wear it on airplanes and stuff. It comes with a little handheld pump. You put the belt around your waist and you pump it up. And it decompresses the spine while you're basically on the airplane.
Luke: Oh, sick. Really?
Ben: Yeah. This looks like kind of an upgraded version of something like that.
Luke: You want to try it?
Luke: Alright. Lay down right here.
Ben: Which way does my head face?
Luke: Alright. Heads up here.
Luke: And then, lay. So, your midsection is right in the slit there. Something like the space between your hip and the rib is where this crack is. Turn it the other way?
Ben: Sure. Sit up for one second. Okay. Just let me flip it. Like that?
Ben: Okay, cool. And, by the way, for people listening to this on my podcast, I'll put the video at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/LukeStorey, if you want to see some of this stuff.
And I'm sure Luke will have the video as well on his website.
Luke: Yeah, totally. Okay. So, this is catching your hips. You have a substantially smaller waist than I do. We know who works out more.
Ben: No, that's genetics.
Luke: Oh, really?
Ben: Yeah. Just like all the boys in the Greenfield family have this Victorian corset-like waist.
Luke: [01:23:24] ______
Ben: And big shoulders. We fit into the what they call the Adonis ratio quite well. But not as well as I'm going to after this.
Luke: Yeah. This thing feels so good, dude.
Ben: Wow, okay. And if you go to a chiropractor and they put you on one of these, they're going to charge you $150.
Luke: You can buy this whole thing on eBay for like $200.
Ben: Oh, I would have expected it to cost more than that.
Luke: It's like $200 for the table.
Ben: But, I would [01:24:05] ______ probably the rig you have set up next to this husky, is this just an air decompressor?
Ben: That's [01:24:13] ______?
Luke: You get the little husky air decompressor off Amazon, maybe 50 bucks.
Ben: And this is normally, this right here would be where you'd have a hand pump, but it's [01:24:20] ______ have a touch of this.
Luke: Yeah. But, Pristine Hydro sell this little adapter. That's the hard thing to find. Without that, this won't work.
Luke: Get out [01:24:28] ______. And then, this is your pressure gauge.
Luke: It's got three settings: release, pump, and hold. So, you put it on pump when you turn this baby on and you're going to feel it stretch you out.
Luke: Then, you put it to hold and you can see the pressure. I usually go to about between 100 and 160.
Ben: Okay. Go ahead and just put me on crush.
Luke: And you hold it for a minute.
Luke: Are you ready?
Ben: Alright. I'm ready for my spinal decompression here.
I did 10 sets of 10 hex bar deadlifts this morning. This is perfect for post deadlifting.
Luke: Your workouts or nuts, bro.
Ben: So, each one, sometimes, I'll just do simple workouts but they're still hard. So, it was two minutes on Jacob's Ladder and then set at 10 hex bars and back to Jacob's Ladder, 10 hex bars. It was back and forth, and turn around.
Luke: Oh, my god.
Ben: Try out that workout if you'd like. Jacob's Ladder, the hex bar, deadlifts. This feels great.
Luke: Doesn't that feel good?
Ben: Yeah, it's just literally decompressing all the vertebra. I can feel like I'm completely stretched out [01:25:51] ______.
Ben: Well, it's interesting you'll feel the vertebra spread out. And then, you'll go move your body. You can actually feel more separation between your hips and your ribs.
Ben: I have to say, actually, for people who would want a portable solution, because like I mentioned, I have that Dr. Ho's decompression belt, it actually feels kind of similar to what I get from that.
Luke: Oh, cool.
Luke: That's awesome. I'd like to wear that when I'm at my desk.
Ben: It's so useful if you're just on the go, you want to decompress your spine while you're driving, or on an airplane, or at your desk. You just don't want to have a big meal before, of course, because it literally just presses all your organs as well.
Luke: Alright. We're going to release you now.
Luke: That's probably been about a minute.
Ben: Release sounds.
Luke: Yeah. And then, it just slowly starts letting you out.
Ben: So, you get the unit off of eBay and then you contact these folks who you talked about at Pristine Hydro.
Luke: At Pristine Hydro, one their site, under Accessories or something, they have this little adapter that enables you to connect the pump to the tube that goes into the lumbar machine.
Ben: People with disc compression and [01:27:06] ______ back issues.
Luke: Otherwise, you have to plug yourself in and lay there and go “whoosh, whoosh.”
Ben: And then, pump, yeah.
Luke: Yeah, which takes forever. It's a pain in the ass. Props to Glen over at Pristine Hydro because he's the one that hacked the system to use it with this pump.
Ben: I dig it.
Luke: It's cool, right?
Ben: Cool. I'm two inches taller.
Luke: You probably are, dude.
Luke: And that's it.
Ben: Very cool.
Luke: I'm glad I remembered to show you that. I wanted to get your take on it. And now I know about a portable one too.
Ben: I dig it.
Luke: Alright. Then, the other thing is the BioMat. Are you familiar with this?
Ben: Yeah. My kids have a BioMat Mini and I take a nap quite regularly on the BioMat Pro.
Luke: Oh, cool.
Ben: The way that I do it is I lay it out on the bed. And the BioMat, you, guys, it's embedded. It looks like this. It's embedded with these amethyst and tourmaline crystals, so you get negative ions very similar to what you get if you were earthing or grounding. But, they're very concentrated from these crystals. And then, it heats via infrared. And so, it kind of operates on the principle of hyperthermia, which is why in Korea, where it's manufactured, they actually recommend it for cancer patients because hyperthermia can be cytotoxic to cancer cells.
What I do is I lay it out on the bed. In the winter up in Washington, it's really like a warm teddy bear. I don't sleep on it because it's too hard. Those crystals are just super hard.
You lay it in the back and then I have a set of these Normatec compression boots. It's graded [01:28:40] ______ that kind of milks the lactic acid and metabolic products out of your legs and up towards the heart.
So, you put on these boots and then you lay on the BioMat like this. And then, the final component. And, again, I realized there are the people snickering about the biohackers with all their crazy stuff. But, this is better living through science. It's amazing.
I use the NuCalm. So, I do NuCalm, boots, BioMat. And this isn't like 2:00 p.m. when I just need to check out after a long morning of work. And I'll just do the 20-minute power nap function on the NuCalm and lay there on the BioMat with the boots on, and just go to a happy place. And you wake up and your legs are light as a feather, your body's all warm from the BioMat.
Luke: That's a good combo.
Ben: So, it's a good way to go.
Luke: Yeah. We're going to cover the NuCalm in a moment.
Ben: You can also, by the way, if you don't have much space and you own a BioMat and you want to turn your BioMat into a sauna, you get the BioMat, you turn it all the way up, and then you wrap it in those Mylar blankets, those insulated blankets. It gets super-hot and you can get a sweat on. And it's almost like one of those done for you, like infrared sauna blankets, like the company HigherDOSE makes.
Luke: Yeah, I have one of those. That's cool.
Luke: Oh, that's cool. That's a great idea.
Other thing that I know you're a fan of is the Vielight intranasal LED thing. Are you still using these?
Ben: I use the Vielight. It just operates on that same principle as the Joovv light panels that you guys saw in Luke's kitchen to activate the cytochrome C oxidase in the mitochondria. So, it pairs very well with the methylene blue because of that. Again, the same reason that methylene blue would pair well with sunlight.
But, this Vielight does it for neural tissue. And they've used this in people with Alzheimer's and dementia. It's great for increasing cognition, focus.
There are two different models: one for alpha brainwave production and one for gamma brainwave production. And what I have is the one that comes with a headset. [01:30:42] ______ headset and then the nasal probe goes into your nose. And so, you get the headset just blasting your neural tissue with this light and this wave function. And then, the nasal probe does the same thing through your nose.
And very similar to the Joovv panel, for example, you don't want to use it too frequently. So, in the case of the Vielight, the recommendation is about every 48 hours, or so. That would be the minimum amount of time spent between treatments. But, again, for something it makes your head feel clear as a bell. Something that pairs well with nootropics, like a methylene blue, for example. It's a cool device.
Luke: So, this one here is the 810 infrared which is the invisible spectrum. The one I used to have, I forget the number, but it lit up your whole nose bright, bright red.
Ben: Just probably lower wavelength, more visible wavelength [01:31:37] ______ 700.
Luke: Right. What I use this thing for weirdly enough is every couple of nights, I'll put it in my nose when I fall asleep. And I get better sleep scores when I have it. It's really, really trippy.
Ben: That's cool. I've never thought of using it for that. But, the cool thing about the one that comes with the headset is you can just use the nasal part if you wanted to have to sleep with a light helmet on your head.
I'll have to try that, though. That's a cool idea.
Luke: Yeah, it is because I wake up kind of, “Ah, what's this thing?” And I shove it to the side. But I don't know, I fall asleep quickly and I get good sleep scores on the Oura.
The next one is the Power Medic laser, which is the cold laser. And this thing has been incredible for tennis elbow, tendonitis, injuries, and also for cuts, burns, bug bites, stuff like that. You ever mess with lasers?
Ben: Just low-level laser therapy?
Luke: Well, it's 1,500 milliwatts. This one's 808 nanometers.
Ben: I don't own a unit. I've been treated with the unit before. [01:32:39] ______ worked pretty well.
Luke: With a practitioner?
Ben: Yeah, a practitioner with a cold laser setup.
Luke: This particular set comes with this one and then one that's got just one diode.
Ben: And who makes this one, again?
Luke: They're called Power Medic lasers. I met the guy at the Bulletproof Conference a couple years ago, Arnie. And I interviewed him. Brilliant guy from, not the Netherlands, not Belgium, Norway, somewhere over there. Maybe, it was Norway. Brilliant guy, really cool guy, and he invented something called the GigaLaser which has three diodes. He made this huge thing that's, maybe, two feet by three feet with, I don't know, a couple of hundred diodes.
And he did a study where he treated infertile women with this laser diode machine over their bellies. And, I think, he did 300 women that were infertile and willing to try all other means, ended up getting 250 of them pregnant.
Luke: I forget the numbers, but it was an insane.
Ben: He didn't get them pregnant, but [01:33:41] ______.
Luke: Yeah, he was very active, very virile man. But, yeah, his thing, it treats infertility. It's [censored] crazy.
Luke: That's the GigaLaser. They're, I think, 50-grand. You need to go to a practitioner. But, for any women listening, they're having problems fertility, look up the Power Medic lasers, GigaLaser. There's only a couple in the United States.
Ben: You just screwed world population overgrowth.
Luke: Yeah, I know. Sorry, globalist, new Genesis, I just blew your whole plan. But, the lasers I love.
One thing I did that was interesting with it is when I adopted this dog, Cookie. She had just had her spayed surgery and so she had a big gash and stitches on her belly, which had been shaved. And I treated her every day with their other laser. There's just one diode. It's a little less powerful. And I sealed that cut up in three or four days.
Luke: Which would have been there for a long time. But she doesn't have a scar.
Luke: Yeah, it's cool. So, that's good too.
Ben: And the Joovv panels can work a little bit like that for collagen and elastin, and skin [01:34:40] ______ and scars. But, that concentrated amount directly against the skin is pretty efficacious. The Joovv Go, because I know you have a Joovv Go.
Ben: You can kind of sort of use that for a similar effect. Probably not. It's concentrated as this one.
Luke: You know what I did with this one? In a recent trip to London, I got this thing called Verilux, which is a seasonal affective disorder light. It's in the kitchen. I forgot to show you. But, anyway, it's a bright full-spectrum mimicking sunlight. And so, I used that with the Joovv Go, this little mini guy. And each morning, because I couldn't get any sun, I was in the UK and I'd wake up super early, I would mimic the sunrise and just go sit in front of the blue full spectrum daylight and this light in the morning to get myself in a new time zone. And it worked like a charm. Dude, it's crazy. I had no jetlag.
Ben: [01:35:30] ______.
Luke: Within two days, I was totally acclimated.
Ben: The only thing to bear in mind, and I don't know much about the Verilux, but increasingly, studies are showing the irreversible retinal damage.
Luke: Ah, sure.
Ben: I guess you don't have to worry about it since you have that Visomitin stuff. But, the irreversible retinal damage from concentrated blue light. And so, a lot of the better companies are using a blueish-green spectrum, which actually knocks off some of that blue light damage. The glasses that I use, called the Re-timers are based on that.
I don't know what the Verilux uses. But, some of those, just like blue lightboxes that you get off Amazon, you need to be careful. You can expose your body to them but you don't want to stare directly into them. You want to limit eye exposure.
And the cool thing is you've got photoreceptors on your skin. And so, you'll still respond from a jetlag standpoint if you're not staring directly into it. But, it's risky.
Luke: I think, those ones you're talking about, the seasonal affective disorder ones, are a little bit some of them are lower grade. The Verilux is full-spectrum and it does have some of the green.
Ben: Okay, it's full-spectrum. Good.
Luke: And, maybe, even a little yellow in there. There's a couple of different settings but you know when you're on the super blue one versus the one that's more full-spectrum that has the kind of the rainbow. But I didn't know that was why.
I was like, “Blue light? Sun? Great.” Good to know.
Ben: You have another reason to be careful with your backlit LED monitors.
Ben: Dude, right.
Ben: I do. I use that nightly. I've got it set on the boost function for 55 degrees. It's a must for me for sleep when I'm at home. My sleep scores are always in the 90's when I'm at home because I have all this stuff at home.
When I travel, despite all the travel hacks that I bring with me, I'm usually 70's to 80's sleep score when I travel. I measure it by the Oura ring. At home, though, I've got the blackout curtains, I've got the Ooler, I've got the EMF blocking kill switch. And, you know how to you use the Oura ring at all?
Luke: Yeah, every night.
Ben: It gives you like a crown if you get a good sleep score. I get a crown every night at home. And it's because of a lot of stuff like this that Chile or the, they used to call, the ChiliPad. The Ooler is a game-changer. And the cool thing is if you have one of those PEMF devices like those mats that will just stay on the whole night with the BioBalance mat that Dr. Pollack makes, it can actually concentrate the water in the Ooler. It can concentrate the frequency when you're on that mat.
So, the play is that you put the mat under your sheets and then you put the Ooler on top of the mat. And then, your top sheet or your sleeping sheet goes over that. And so, basically, you're getting PEMF and water and cooling the whole night.
Luke: Oh, that's nuts, dude. I tell you, since I got the ChiliPad, it's been a few years, but when it first came out, I got it. They had a few bumps in the design. I had problems with the first prototype kind of that they had. But then, the Ooler is flawless. But, dude, I'm so addicted to this thing. It's actually really hard to travel without it. I have to crank the AC on the lowest setting in any hotel to even compete with this.
Ben: So, I'm staying at a guy's house down in Venice Beach and he doesn't have AC. I opened the windows at night, but I take a two-minute cold shower before I go to bed. Just in some people [01:39:01] ______ going to wake you up, if you get a brief kind of like mammalian dive reflex sympathetic response, you're mildly awake for five or ten minutes after you do it. But, for me, I have to take a cold shower before I go to bed if I'm sleeping anywhere without AC.
Luke: So, Ooler. Then, when I had Brian Hoyer come out and do my EMF screening, much to my chagrin, this area right here where the bed is had a tremendous amount of geopathic stress. So, under this house, there's some lay lines or water lines, or something that's causing the geopathic stress. So, when he went through with those, what are those rods called?
Luke: Dowsing rods. Right across the middle of the bed, they go “twang.” And it's just off the chart. So, I got this pad from him by Geovital. Geovital Academy for Building Geobiology and Radiation Shield, in geovital.com. And, it's a geopathic stress shielding. It's called [01:40:03] ______.
And so, you put this thing at a diagonal angle anywhere near where there's a geopathic stress zone. I don't know how the shit works but you go back across it with the dowsing rods and you're totally clean.
Ben: That's faster. He told me to move my bed. He didn't tell me about that.
Luke: He didn't tell you about the bed?
Luke: I mean, it's kind of vainly asked to.
Ben: My wife wasn't going to f around with the Feng Shui of our bedroom because we did have a little geopathic stress in our bedroom, not in my kid's bedroom, but in our bedroom. So, that's perfect. I'll get one of those.
Luke: I don't have to move my bed over there to get away from it. And this is like, “Where the bed's supposed to go?” It's like sleeping in a little treehouse.
Then, the other thing is from, and I know you know this guy, Andreas, the German guy because you have the same pants.
Ben: Yeah, he makes pants and a shirt and a half that I can travel with on the airplane [01:40:53] ______
Luke: So, now, he made a little sleeping bag, Faraday. It's not a sleeping bag because it's not thick. It's just a sheet. And so, you sleep inside this like a sleeping bag. And then, the whole thing closes over your head and you're completely shielded. It's super sick.
Ben: Does it breathe pretty well?
Ben: I mean, if I was in a hotel with a lot of all the Wi-Fi signals coming in through the window in the city, whatever, that would be actually a pretty good solution.
Luke: I use it on an airplane. It looks like a [censored] nut, but I don't really care because I am a nut.
Ben: Why won't you just wear his pants and his shirt on the airplane?
Luke: I don't have a shirt.
Luke: He gave me the pants and I have these great underwear called Get Lambs. It's really great EMF underwear. There's a company Faraday that make them too. They're just shielded in the front which is great. They're more comfortable. They're real thin. The Lambs, shielded all the way around.
So, those on the plane, what's it? Andreas, this company called GTC. Well, I'll put it in [01:42:03] ______.
Ben: I don't remember. I feel [01:42:05] ______ I think go mainstream. It's hard to find German company.
Luke: I don't remember the name of his. It's like XTC, CTX Studios. We'll put it in the show notes, but, this thing's genius for travel.
And because I have a little RF coming in ambiently and I'm single right now, I've been experimenting with sleeping with this. Also, you can ground it if it's appropriate. It just depends on what's going on. So, the way I'm going to ground it just throw a wire out the window of my bedroom [01:42:33] ______ outside and then ground this. And when there's no female in my life that I don't want to be isolated from, I've been sleeping in this thing.
Ben: So, if you look at this Clint Ober at Ultimate Longevity, sells–This is a fix or is this via a button?
Luke: No, a button.
Ben: This is a button, okay. Yeah, the buttons that Clint Ober sells would probably fit into this. But, he's got this long 30-foot cables with a stake at the end of it.
Luke: I have one.
Ben: So, you could get one of those, plug it in here, and just toss out the window, and just stick it into ground.
Luke: Yeah. Check it, dude.
Ben: That's what I do at my desk, is I've got a grounding mat from the Clint Ober's website. And they're just like a cable going. Yeah, exactly.
Luke: This guy right here.
Ben: So, all you need is–that's not going to attach.
Luke: Well, this has an alligator.
Ben: He sells his little buttons I'll probably attach.
Luke: Here, check it.
Ben: You could just tape, as long as there's metal.
Luke: There's an alligator clip that connects.
Ben: Connect that. Button this on.
Luke: Oh, good. This actually came with this little clip. So, you could do that. And then, you could go toink.
Luke: Yeah, perfect. Do you toss this out, put on the ground and ground it?
Luke: Yeah, cool, right?
Luke: I mean, I'm looking forward to more people making travel shit. I'm not always going to do it at home because my room doesn't have much EMF anyway. But, I've just been experimenting with my sleep scores.
Strange thing, when I installed the Somavedic units, all three of them, the first night I slept 10 hours. It knocked me out.
Then, the first few nights with this, my HRV was 36. Normally, it's around 55. This killed my HRV for the first few nights. And now, my HRV is normal.
Luke: And my sleep is normal because I've gotten used to the three Somavedics and sleeping in this.
Luke: Interesting development. Mostly, I think, for travel, though. And just to be that guy in the airplane.
Ben: The other thing that you could kind of get a similar effect with, if you weren't sleeping on one of those PEMF mats, would just be a grounding or an earthing mat. That's going to reduce a lot of the inflammation related to EMF. Just lay it under the sheet where you sleep. I do travel with those.
Luke: You know what? When I tested, again, with Brian Hoyer over here, which we made a big video of, I have yet to put it out, but we tested my grounding mat. And I had it plugged in outside the window. But because of the electrical fields in the room, he tested my skin voltage meter when I'm grounded, is much worse than when I'm not grounded.
So, in this particular bedroom, I stopped sleeping grounded. But then, I figured I could turn off all the breakers. So, I'd probably do it again.
That thing grounding is really weird. If you don't properly test with an EMF specialist, you can be making it worse because you become the conduit.
Ben: If there's a lot of power flowing to the ground where you happen to [01:45:14] ______. For me, it's a moot point because I'm in a little forest.
Luke: Yeah, so you're stoked. But, the grounding thing is a little complex. You have to really do the skin voltage meter test to figure it out.
So, anyway, that's it. We're done with the bedroom.
Ben: Cool. Nice bedroom.
Luke: One last thing I'm just going to show you in the bathroom and then we'll go outside and do that, which I think is going to be substantially faster.
Ben: You've got a shower filter, first of all.
Luke: Yeah. So, in here, we've got two shower filters. The big double header is from Pristine Hydro. It does chloramine, which is what we have in L.A. versus chlorine. [01:45:50] ______ you need a little different filter medium. And, gets out a substantial amount of the fluoride too, which is really hard to get out.
Ben: It's so important people put in their water filters under the sink or a countertop water filter and then they shower and just get completely covered in chloramines and anything else in the water straight through the skin.
And these showerhead filters, I mean, you can see it on the video, if you watch the video, they're super easy to rig up. But, you can buy a trial version [01:46:16] ______.
I still wouldn't drink it outside of an emergency, but it's definitely good for showering.
And then, this is the other Somavedic. And this one has a little less blue light than some of the other ones. This is their–I forget, it's like the pneumatic one. But, this one is the one that's strong enough for 5g, according to them.
Ben: Oh, wow.
Luke: And so, that's why I put this one closest to the bedroom.
Ben: Especially in L.A.
Luke: Yeah. It's just nuts. So, we don't have 5G right in this area, but this thing's been cool. And then, the other thing is, which I know you have too, is the BluShield. This guy right here, the BluShield cube, which have an interesting anecdotal story about this one. Because with the Somavedic and the BluShield, to the skeptic and science-minded person, they're a bit of a tough sell because you can come in here with an EMF meter and test the RF fields and they don't change at all on a meter if you install this.
But, with the BluShield, in my last apartment, I was having all these problems with vision, brain fog, vertigo, dizziness. It was [censored] horrible. And I didn't know what it was. And then, I had installed one of these just because, well, I'm sure there's EMF around and that I know about scalar waves, and I believe in the technology. Basically, it creates a harmonious field that doesn't block the EMF's, but it gives something your body to resonate with, so that it doesn't resonate with the EMF's basically.
So, one day, after I'd interviewed Jack Cruse and he reminded me how important sun gazing is, I've been doing my mornings because I had a direct line of sight to the sunrise. So, I was on that and I thought, “Man, I got to get to the sunset.” So, I went across the street to an office building that's three stories high across the street and I sneaked out onto the roof. And right when I get to the top of the roof where the doors are all these “Warning: Radiation,” Warning, Warning. I saw those signs, I'm like, “You've got to be kidding me, dude.” Me, of all people? If you don't know about that stuff or whatever. But I know how bad it is.
So, anyway, about 100, maybe I was exaggerating, probably, 200 yards from my bed, are two massive multitower cell towers pointed right at my bedroom. And so, that was what was causing all of those issues that my vision went bad and all this stuff.
Luke: I didn't relate it to the BluShield because I didn't know the symptoms were from poisoning from the cell towers.
So, after I moved, I was like, “Oh, shit. It was the BluShield, dude.” It was impossible for it to be placebo because I wasn't even paying attention to EMFs.
Ben: I had a client who did nothing except install that BluShield cube throughout his house and get that personal device that you place on your body. I keep one in my fanny pack.
Luke: Me too.
Ben: And, every marker of inflammation: CRP, fibrinogen, cytokines, everything, dropped to rock bottom from elevated levels up to two weeks of using that.
Luke: Wow, wow.
Ben: I mean, it works. Everything's anecdotal. There's no big huge clinical research studies, but if you're concerned that your EMF sensitive, you just want to mess around with it and see if it works. I think the BluShield devices are pretty cool.
I mean, a lot of this is the Joe Dispenza, Bruce Lipton, “Biology of Belief” kind of thing, like if you're paranoid of everything hurting you, it is hurting you. If you have a resilience and you're building your magnetic field psychologically and spiritually, you're more impervious to these things. But I just like hitting it from all angles. So, it's like that fine line of awareness and fear.
So, there's these things around and I'm going to plug them in everywhere. It can hurt, but at the same time–
Ben: That's a very good point. It doesn't [01:50:25] ______ hurt you aside from, perhaps, your pocketbook.
Luke: Yeah, totally.
Ben: These devices, they do have return policies. You can try it out, see how you feel.
Luke: You know what's crazy, dude? BluShield, I asked them, because I was just getting some tests. They did some interesting HIV testing and live blood cell analysis. And they did some testing on cows and chickens, which was very compelling. And I was asking them, “How do you guys prove that this works since it doesn't effect an EMF meter?” And they emailed me back and said that they have a 1% or 2% return rate. It's like no one returns them because you feel better.
So, it's like, if these things were bullshit. And I don't know what their return is with the Somavedic, but they have a really liberal return policy. I forget what it is, but you have plenty of time to give it back and they give all your money back.
No one wants the money back because you feel better.
Ben: Got to roll just a bunch of rich F'ers [01:51:21] ______. Sorry for the language.
Luke: That could be part of it as well.
Alright. So, that's it for upstairs. The last stop, we're going to go out to the Zen Den, the biohacking lounge. We're going to just check out a couple things out there and do an ice bath. And then, we're going to call it.
Alright. So, now that we've covered the inside of the house, we're going to head upstairs to the Zen Den, which is where I do all of the really freaky stuff, including the ice bath. This is where I will do biohacking technologies and things like that. So, follow us up.
Ben: The Zen Den.
Luke: Yeah, buddy. It's the most peaceful place on the property.
Ben: That's nice that you got this little place back here behind the [01:52:04] ______.
Luke: It's where I spend a lot of time, actually. [01:52:10] ______.
Luke: [01:52:22] ______. Go ahead and have a seat over here.
Luke: I will give you a little bit of a tour. A lot of these things I think you're familiar with.
Ben: Why not?
Luke: And then, this guy over here is the Biocharger. Have you been using this thing yet?
Ben: I have used it or I've had it used on me. I admittedly have never done a podcast on it. I haven't looked at the technology much, but it makes cool sounds and whiz-bang lights.
Luke: It uses a combination of the Tesla coil PEMF, and also these vials here full of noble gases. And so, when you turn it on and light it up, which I might as well just do.
Ben: Noble gases.
Luke: Which you can also get from eating a lot of legumes. It does a little sound like this. Normally, there's a–[censored]–there's an arc rod. That happens too. Normally, there's an arc right up on the top that actually produces a little bit of ozone. But with the arc rods on there, it makes a lot of noise, “wiing.”
Ben: I was going to say this is quieter than what I've seen before in Biocharger.
Luke: As it goes through the different frequencies, it will produce a lot of noise. So, I put a different setting on the top.
Ben: So, right now with what you have turned it on to, what frequency is it producing?
Luke: This one is seven Hertz right at the moment. But it runs through, each recipe has all different frequencies. And so, some of them are very energizing, some of them are very calming.
So, what I'll do is I'll come up here and do the NuCalm, which now we don't have the cream and little electrodes, but we have little sticker.
Ben: I've done a podcast with a guy from NuCalm. I still swear by that thing. And, yeah, he knows what's the option, instead of getting the Gaba cream that you put on your neck to instead get that sticker that you place over kind of almost like the acupressure point on the lower arm. And it's basically embedded with the same frequencies as the Gaba cream. So, you get this inhibitory neurotransmitter release without messing with the cream.
Luke: And then, it knocks you on your ass.
Ben: I keep using this, but that's the only [01:54:59] ______.
Luke: I know. So, I put this little sweat bin here just to look cool and keep the disc on. And then, there's an app that has these crazy [01:55:06] ______.
Ben: The 20-minute power nap function of the NuCalm is the most amazing thing ever. If you ask me, I do two of those in a row, if I just need to check myself out and I don't have time to go to sleep or I know I'm not going to be able to go to sleep, that thing just works amazingly.
Luke: A NuCalm, in conjunction with some of the settings on here is super powerful because you can set this on the theta or the one called the Pineal experience and listen to the NuCalm. Something I've been messing around a little bit with the NuCalm and this whole setup up here to go into altered states, including an experiment I did the other day with a microdose of ketamine during meditation, is I'll put on my Joe Dispenza guided meditations where he takes you through the different energy centers and stuff.
Ben: And where are you getting those, those guided meditations?
Luke: Download from his site. Yeah, there, dude. I mean, not one for guided meditations because I do Vedic meditation. I mean, I don't need a guide. I just go into the zone. I've been doing it for a long time. But, his are very specific.
So, what I'll do is I'll put in this set of headphones with Joe Dispenza's voice. And then, I'll put on the noise-canceling headphones with that and put myself into this programmable theta state.
Ben: Smart. So, you've got meditation going at the same time as the NuCalm?
Ben: I like that little audio stuff.
Luke: And so, then, I'll be brainwashing myself because I'm making myself so receptive between the waves that the Biocharger is putting off.
Ben: Are you staying lucid during the meditation? Because, for me, the NuCalm causes me to pass back and forth to unconscious to the conscious state, or subconscious to a conscious state. So, I'd imagine you're just kind of getting osmosis.
Luke: Very much, yeah. And my idea there was that if I'm putting my brain in this very programmable in the most positive sense, theta state, that whatever information I'm exposed to is going to really stick in the subconscious. And that's why I've been experimenting putting Dispenza meditations underneath the NuCalm because I know I'm super programmable, because I am in this kind of half-asleep theta state, which is like my favorite feeling.
I love to meditate, but I thought, I might as well just stack them. Or, even I've been doing hypnotherapy and she records the sessions and those are about 20 minutes. So, if I do the 20-minute NuCalm nap, which is that's the NuCalm app which is very, very specific audio programs that they have, which take an hour to download. They're really dense files. I'll run the hypnosis session in the little headphones and then do the NuCalm over that to accentuate the hypnotic effect.
Ben: And where are you getting the hypnosis sessions?
Luke: I have a woman named Alexis Hogan [01:57:53] ______ that comes over and does them and records them.
Ben: So, it's customized too.
Luke: Yeah. Because I'll tell her whatever I'm working on. I'm working on romantic relationships or working on sense of self-worth so that I can have more financial abundance. Things that I know I'm being blocked from by subconscious beliefs, early traumas, things like that that are preventing me and holding me back from accessing different levels of success or abundance. And so, hypnosis is a way of reprogramming your subconscious mind that's holding those beliefs that you're not worthy, you don't deserve it, you're not smart enough, like all that bullshit that some of us suffer from that hold us back.
So, you can do affirmations all day long. But that's your conscious mind. You have to get it through the subconscious, right?
Luke: So, stacking. That's why I call this the Zen Den because I don't do any kind of work up here. All I do in this space is all healing or just psychological or spiritual work.
And so, stacking these. And at the same time, just to be nuts. This is the Vital Reaction hydrogen inhaler.
Luke: So, this produces 7% hydrogen gas. And if I'm going to be sitting here anyway for 20 minutes to an hour, I'll just put this [01:59:07] ______ out.
Ben: A little neural anti-inflammatory effects?
Ben: Actually, really good breathing in for your body in terms of anti-inflammatory effects. Who makes this hydrogen water inhaler?
Luke: These are the guys in Boulder that I introduced you to via email. They also make tabs. They're called Vital Reaction. They don't make a hydrogen water machine. They do the inhaler with the cannula, or you just get the tabs and you drink it. But, they're super solid.
And I've had this thing for a couple of years. I've even dropped it. It's never broken. It works every single time [01:59:38] ______. No bullshit. 7%, you've got your little reader there.
And then, I have a TrueDark red sticker on it because it produces that. And then, here's the TrueDark film, because I'm going to put this over this thing because when I come over here at night, I get blasted in the face. When it's dark in here, the blue light is so strong.
Ben: I would imagine.
Luke: And then, I recently decided to add the Fisher Wallace into it too. So, sometimes, I'll do the Fisher Wallace.
Ben: So, you're getting a little vagal nerve stimulation from the Fisher Wallace, which is actually excellent for, based on their studies, decreasing your cortisol levels. And that's a cool device. Do you use at the same time as the NuCalm?
Ben: Yeah. This with the NuCalm, with the Dispenza, with this on the theta frequencies.
Ben: That's a lot of things.
Luke: It's self-experimentation. And, like we're saying earlier, can you live a happy life without all this bullshit? Oh, my god, totally. Just meditate for 20 minutes, get some sun, and have a good life.
But, it's my hobby.
Ben: It's fun to experiment. That's [02:00:49] ______?
Ben: [02:00:52] ______.
Luke: Yeah. Don't touch metal when that's [02:00:54] ______.
Ben: It's fun to experiment with this stuff. And guys like you and I are not necessarily doing this stuff so that we can then turn around and tell everybody to do everything. But, when we find a stuff that's really cool, that really works, the stacks, so to speak, that aren't supplement stacks that we were talking about in your kitchen but are biohacking stacks. [02:01:20] ______ biohacking companies run around the globe, they don't necessarily develop a NuCalm and then test that with a Circadia, in the presence of a Biocharger with hypnotic tracks, or with Dispenza meditation tracks, but what's cool is theirs, I guess, more or less, almost like pioneers like you and I who will dig into this stuff and turn around people and say, “Yo, we just found something really cool.” We can combine all this stuff together. You have a vibration platform with the infrared, or your Faraday protection cage and they're in the bedroom with the grounding cable.
And I think these stuffs are ton of fun to experiment with and just figure out what stacks effectively.
Luke: I think, for me, it's like if I'm going to sit here for 20 minutes and spend time doing something, and there's 10 things in here, I might as well just plug in all 10 things.
Ben: It's being smart, from a time efficiency standpoint.
Luke: It's the same amount of time.
Ben: Writing articles on my desk. I've got the Joovv light on, I've got the NanoVi on, I'm on a grounding mat, I've got an essential oil diffuser going. I'm wearing the Vielight. And it is wonderful to be able to be productive at the same time working on an article or talking on the phone and enhancing my body simultaneously, shutting down inflammation, fighting that uphill battle effectively that we all have to fight in this post-industrialized era, we're bombarded with Wi-Fi, and then, the cell towers that you experienced, and the toxins, and the rocket fuel [02:02:44] ______ on the airplane, and brake dust from highways. It's just nice to be able to mitigate some of those things we experience when we are living in a modern world and we're not necessarily privileged with being able to have a career and provide for our families while living on a pristine Himalayan mountain county.
So, we use a lot of this stuff to help us out.
Luke: Well said. So, that's pretty much it for up here. Other than that, we've got the Clearlight Sauna. And then, also, what I did is I put one of the smaller SaunaSpace infrared lights inside the Clearlight.
Ben: [02:03:23] ______ pretty heat stable? You're not going to [02:03:24] ______ that?
Luke: Oh, yeah. It's very heat stable. These are the hand-blown glass. It's quite thick. I've left it in here for over an hour.
Ben: Oh, wow. And it's also got a protective case.
Ben: Even with your sauna jacked up to 158?
Luke: Yeah, the highest setting, yeah. I mean, it's got a protective thing. And you got to be careful not to touch this. It'll burn the shit of you and brand you like a cow. They don't use this on the old testes, on the thyroid, different spot checks, like tendonitis, stuff like that. And it also just helps to heat it up.
Luke: I did get a warning from Clearlight being, “Oh, don't put stuff in our sauna because it didn't break.” But I checked with SaunaSpace, they're like, “Nope, these bulbs are hot enough on their own. If they were going to break, they'd break just from having it on.”
And so, the ambient heat in here, it doesn't really heat the air. It heats your tissue. So, I've had no problems with it.
Luke: I doubt it was, based on talking to Ryan, the owner, about this. He's like, “Dude, the glass, one of those things are so thick. That thing heats up so much hotter than your sauna, if it was going to break, it would break itself.”
Luke: And then, this one down here, [02:04:42] ______. This one down here is four of the SaunaSpace incandescent bulbs.
Ben: That heat immediately.
Luke: Yeah. This thing is really great. So, what I'll do when I'm doing breathwork on the sheepskin here is I'll crank this guy up as a little precursor to doing an ice bath or just giving some blood flow, distribute the red light therapy at night.
Ben: I think Cookie likes it too, you can tell.
Luke: Dude, she loves being in the sauna. She'll go in and then I know when she starts to pant, I go, “Okay, outside.” And she was like, “Yeah, I'm done.” But she loves the red light.
Luke: She loves the sauna. Yeah, that's it for in here.
Ben: I like the Zen Den. It's a good stuff.
Luke: [02:05:22] ______.
Ben: I guess, for folks, we'll just put all this stuff in the shownotes.
Luke: Yeah, totally.
Ben: And mine are going to be at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/LukeStorey.
Luke: Alright. I'm going to throw my shorts on and we're get in this ice bath.
You always have to warm up for an ice bath by jumping up and down on trampoline. Otherwise, the ice bath is waste of time, horribly ineffective.
It's a great way to put on a lot of muscle and get jacked, jump up and down on a trampoline. I'm joking. But, it's good for lymph flow. I have one in my living room across my office. In between I'm taking breaks from work, I'll just jump up and down for a little while, just to get some blood flowing.
Luke: Alright. Okay. So, you ready?
Ben: Rock and roll.
Luke: Okay. So, here we are at the homemade ice bath.
Now, for complete plans on this ice bath, you can Google Luke Ben Greenfield ice bath. And I sent you all of the plans.
Ben: That's right. Yeah, I have all the plans published on our website, yours and Rick Rubins set up. And I also, I don't know if I told you to have a shout-out in my new book because I put some stuff there too and talk about your setups.
Luke: Oh, I see. Oh, thanks, dude. I appreciate that.
Ben: There's a new company I'm looking into now, called Morozko Forge that does a 31 to 32-degree ice bath that stays at that temperature even in 110 degrees of ambient.
Luke: That's so awesome.
Ben: It's like a unit like this they ship to your house.
Luke: So, this guy here looks a lot cooler from the outside because I had my handyman build a case. But, inside, you have a Sears chest freezer. And I just filled it up, so it's only at about 47 right now. Usually, I keep it at 35 to 40, but I changed the water yesterday because I knew I had company.
They'll still get your attention. And then I put a copper ground wire in it that's screwed into the ground with a big corkscrew stainless-steel plug, so that you're grounded while you're in here.
Another important thing, let me step beside you here, Ben, another important thing about it to regulate the temperature is to have it on a timer, which is like a Christmas light timer. But you always want to make sure it's turned off before you get in. You don't want to get in something electric with water in it. Super important.
So, you can tell it's on because the light will be on or off. So, as long as I have it on timer mindset to come on three or four hours in the middle of the night, and that keeps it at the right temperature. And, other than that, it's like a one-and-done ice bath.
Ben: Cool. And then, you clean with, what do you do [02:08:05] ______ grade hydrogen peroxide?
Luke: You know what I do? I clean it. Sometimes, I bring my ozone generator up here and I dip the water ozonator. And then, I'll run it for an hour. But I had this old stuff. This is like some old-school raw food vegan era shit from the early 2000s that ended up probably going bankrupt. It's called Adya Clarity. And this is what people were using back in the day to purify drinking water.
Luke: And then, it came out that it was really unsafe. But, basically, they're sulfate minerals and you pour, maybe, half a cup in here. And in 24 hours, you'll see all of the impurities in the tap water. And all of the hardness, all the minerals, all floats to the bottom and makes this brown dust.
Ben: Sulfate minerals?
Luke: Yeah, it's crazy. So, it's a really great water purification.
Ben: Cool. Adya.
Luke: Yeah. And I don't know if they sell anymore because there was a lot of controversies around [02:09:00] ______.
Ben: Adya water.
Luke: It was hippie shit they had. And then, this is the shower filter that I used to fill it up, which is like a garden hose filter that takes out some of the chlorine and heavy metals and toxins and stuff. So, first, I filter that. Then, I do the Adya Clarity.
And then, I just change the water when it starts to get fungal from germs and stuff.
Luke: I'm going to go first or second to you?
Luke: Jump in.
Ben: So, in many cases, before you do an ice bath, if you really want to pair the breathwork to the ice bath, you can do kind of a breathe to prepare your nervous system. And that would involve, for example, you can do this seated or lying or squatting, if you're concerned about passing out, for example. But you just do a series, and sometimes a few rounds of just a basic [breaths in and out].
You do about 30 breaths.
You'll generally hold that exhale as long as you can. It gives you a little bit of a nitric oxide release. And, usually, a few rounds of that really prepares your nervous system. It's going to do a long cold soak. And then, you just get in.
Luke: There's also a bolt on your butt. And so, careful not to sit on the bolt.
Luke: Yeah. It's where the plug is in at the bottom.
Ben: Which way do you usually go you face?
Luke: Right on that end.
Ben: So, you face this way?
Luke: Yeah. Then, your feet will hit the bolt, [02:11:01] ______.
Ben: And the key with the ice bath is to train yourself to kind of suppress that sharp intake of breath, that mammalian dive reflex, that's kind of that sympathetic response. You kind of want to train yourself to not engage in that, to not [shivering in cold] and to, instead, engage in some kind of breathing that kind of settles the body as you're in the bath.
I like a box breathing or a 4:8 breathing. So, box breathing is four-count in, four-count hold, four-count out, four-count hold. And the 4:8 breathing is simply four-count in, eight-count out.
And I like to do the out count through pursed lips. If you want a little bit extra vagal nerve activation when you exhale, you can kind of make a humming noise like this. Four count in, [hums inhale] [hums exhale]. Because the ice bath is going to help with your nervous system tone as it is but humming, chanting, singing, gargling, all of that will enhance it a little bit.
And then, if you can, you always want to get the face under because that's where you get the most amount of cranial nerve and vagal nerve activation.
And like Luke and I were talking about in the kitchen, you can do two minutes, you can do five minutes. Once you get past about 10 minutes, sometimes you will find to get that hypoglycemic drop. It can tend to get a little bit stressful if you overdo it. But I personally like about the two to five minutes sweet spot. And if you're doing rounds between the ice bath and a bike or trampoline or rounds between the ice bath and the sauna, sometimes you can go shorter than that. Do a three-minute ice bath, three-minute exercise, back to the ice bath, etc.
So, I'll give Luke a chance to get his chill on.
Luke: [02:13:37] ______.
Ben: It feels so good.
Luke: And we've got [02:13:42] ______ only about 48. Sometimes, it's a bit more enduring. What I understand is as long as it's under 55 [02:13:51] ______.
Ben: Yeah. Under about 55, you're getting a lot of the benefits.
Luke: I think you really nailed the main point and that is to keep your breath regulated. I find most people that aren't used to this, when they get in there, instinctively [shivers].
Ben: Wrench their teeth, tight their jaw.
Luke: I mean, it's funny too, because I've dunked really tough fucking guys in this thing, just big rip burly men's man, and they get in here [shivers]. All these guys.
Ben: Muscularity, fitness, etc., is not necessarily synonymous with vagal nerve tone or the ability to be able to quickly activate the parasympathetic nervous system. And just because you're a yang doesn't mean you're Zen.
Luke: Right. I'm halfway joking. I'm not trying to clown because that would be obvious that I'm jealous that I'm not a huge ripped beast of a man. But, it's just funny. You think, “Oh, someone's really tough.” And then, you get him in here and you're like, “Whoa, dude, why is this so hard?”
But, it's just that you have to tone your nervous system in order to handle different types of stress, whether it's having a confrontational negotiation at work or disagreement with someone you're having a relationship with, or getting an ice bath. It's all the same nervous system that freaks out. And the same techniques work to calm your nervous system no matter what the external stressor is.
And so, this is a good teacher for me to learn how to breathe. Did you get in here and you just [breaths in heavily]? Even one or two of those, when I get in, I mean, today, it's not very cold. It's 48 so it's kind of refreshing. But, when it's 35, I'll still get that [shocked sound] when you get in for a second. But, if I take a couple of deep breaths, I get this really calm meditative state.
Ben: The more stressed you are to find a given day, the more difficult that ice bath is, just because it's that much more tricky to down-regulate the sympathetic nervous system.
Luke: This is a question I got for you which I'm pretty convinced I have the answer for intuitively. But what I used to do is I would work out and do some kind of weight training or whatever, and then, I would take an ice bath because I love just cooling down the inflammation and not being sore. And then, I got to thinking, “If you're trying to build muscle, you want inflammation after you work out. So, now, I do an ice bath, then, I work out.”
Ben: Doing the cold first can really elevate your ability to be able to work out harder. Afterwards, as long as the cold isn't so long if the muscles are getting super-duper cold, so you're warming back up, cold after is only going to blunt the muscle-building response if it is significant. 10 minutes or longer is sufficient to drop the muscle temp enough to where you don't get that inflammatory response. But, a quick cold soak after workout is great because you decrease the core temp, you reactivate the parasympathetic nervous system.
Luke: Oh, really?
Ben: So, two minutes is fine but you wouldn't want to do a 10-minute ice bath, which, unfortunately, a lot of football teams, etc., they got the ice baths in locker rooms. A lot of people are doing that post scrimmage or post-workout.
But you save that longer cold exposure or that de-inflammatory type of cold stimuli for later on in the day. Or, at least, a couple of hours after the workout.
Luke: Right. Noted. Because I definitely noticed when I do the ice bath before I work out, I'm way stronger and I get way less winded in fatigue.
Ben: I have a whole article on my website by Brad Kearns about just the whole mechanism behind pre-cooling before exercise. And they can have a pretty cool unplanned, unintended effects.
Luke: Alright. [02:17:44] ______ talk to you about that. Because I'll do my X3 Bar right after I dry off. Then, I do that, and I'm like, “Holy shit. I can do way more reps when I'm cold than if I'm already hot.”
Ben: Well, I've got about 10 minutes before I got to be boogie in a way.
Ben: So, I think we covered a lot of stuff.
Luke: We did, dude.
Ben: And so, I guess what we should do, probably, is tell people where they can find more. Because my audience might not be familiar with you yet. I don't know if your audience is familiar with me. But, what I am going to do is when Luke gets me all this audio and everything and video for you guys, I'll put my version of it over at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/LukeStorey. It's S-T-O-R-E-Y. And I'll link to his website, lukestorey.com.
And the articles that I've done, like about his ice bath set up on my website, so you guys can go to my flavor of the shownotes at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/LukeStorey.
And I'm sure Luke will have his own happy place for this show as well.
Luke: Yeah. When we do the final edits and I do my intro, I'll give the links for various things like this. But it'll be on my YouTube. Luke Storey YouTube is where the video will be. And, obviously, if people are hearing this right now, they'll be listening to the podcast.
And it's been great because my original plan was like, “Oh, cool. Come over. We shoot a little video. And then, we'll record a podcast.” But the video has been so in-depth. It's like, “Wow, this actually is a perfect podcast.”
Ben: It is. We covered a lot of stuff. I don't know. Are we still on Facebook live as well?
Well, thank you, guys, for coming along for the ride. Hopefully, people pick up something.
Luke: Can you tell us about the book that you have coming up. Because this is probably after New Year's.
Ben: So, if this comes out after New Year's, then, my book is now available. It's currently available for people who are watching the live for pre-order. And it's called “Boundless.” The entire book, all 608 pages of it, is designed to help you unlock boundless energy day in and day out. It's chock-full of anti-aging and longevity protocols. It's got a ton in there on sleep hacking, on jetlag, on immune system, on mold, mycotoxins, Lyme.
I just cover soup to nuts, brain, body, and also spiritual enhancement, gratitude, even delve into psychedelics, and some of these energy medicines, sound medicine protocols. And it's all available right now at boundlessbook.com. It's where people could get it.
Luke: Awesome. 600 plus pages?
Ben: And the 500+ that got cut from the books, the original manuscript got turned in at 1,200 pages, I put available as all bonuses on the website.
Luke: Oh, cool.
Ben: A bunch of bonus videos.
So, it should be a fun journey for folks. It's a big book, but it's everything I've wanted to write for the past three years is in there.
Luke: Damn, dude. Cool. Awesome. Well, I'm definitely going to get it. Is it going to be on audiobook?
Ben: It is audio, Kindle. And the hardcover is big, beautiful like coffee-table type of book. So, I like the hardcover, but also the audible, also the e-book as well.
Luke: Cool. Alright. Well, thanks for coming by, man. This is the ultra-hang. This is the kind of shit that I like to do when a guest come by.
Ben: Dig it.
Luke: So, thanks for joining me.
Ben: It's way better than just sitting around stuffing our faces with Caesar salad and having a coffee.
Luke: Goddamn right.
Luke: Alright. Thanks, Ben. Thank you, guys.
Ben: Well, thanks for listening to today's show. You can grab all the shownotes, the resources, pretty much everything that I mentioned over at BenGreenfieldFitness.com, along with plenty of other goodies from me, including the highly helpful Ben Recommends page, which is a list of pretty much everything that I've ever recommended for hormone, sleep, digestion, fat loss, performance, and plenty more.
Please, also, know that all the links, all the promo codes that I mentioned during this and every episode help to make this podcast happen and to generate income that enables me to keep bringing you this content every single week. So, when you listen in, be sure to use the links in the shownotes, use the promo codes that I generate because that helps to float this thing and keep it coming to you each and every week.
Hang on for a wild biohacking ride, because you are about to hear a super special podcast with biohacker Luke Storey. I visited his home in Los Angeles to go through all of his supplements, smart drugs and nootropics, his biohacked bedroom, his “Zen Den” relaxation lounge, custom cold pool setup, and much more.
If you're into biohacking, or want to learn more about it, you'll be drooling over this episode and everything you'll find in the shownotes below.
Luke Storey is a former Hollywood celebrity fashion stylist, motivational speaker, kundalini yoga and meditation teacher, world-class biohacker, and host of The Life Stylist Podcast. He’s spent the past twenty-two years developing and refining the ultimate lifestyle based on the most powerful principles of health and spirituality, while at the same time embracing the technology and modern conveniences of urban living.
Using himself as a human research lab, Luke has explored a broad and sometimes extreme variety of measures to obtain optimal health, performance, and well-being. From surviving being injected with poisonous Amazonian frog venom, to enduring weeks of neurofeedback meditation in an isolation chamber, Luke has scoured the earth for the most cutting edge, as well as ancient, technologies of healing and transformation.
Luke has tenaciously applied the results of his field research and used them to not only completely transform his own life but also the lives of thousands of fans and followers through his various media channels and speaking engagements. As a transformational speaker and entrepreneur, Luke continues to share his strategies for healing and happiness through his innovative and highly effective Lifestyle Design teachings, his Youtube channel, and wildly popular podcast, The Life Stylist.
Since 2008, Luke has also served as Founder at School of Style, the nation's most prominent fashion school for stylists.
This episode is a tour of Luke Storey's home and includes:
-Foods and supplements…6:10
- Beef jerky
- Deuterium-depleted water (DDW)
- Salmon and sardines
- Tealyra glass teapot
- Grass-fed beef (code: GREENFIELD)
- Premade Paleo meals (Model Meals)
- Ben's diet: organ meats, wild-caught fish, legumes, underground veggies (Northern European)
- Four Sigmatic Lion's Mane (code: BENGREENFIELD)
- Psilocybin (source unnamed for legal purposes)
- BGF podcast w/ Dr. Ted Achacoso
- Limit ice baths to 10 minutes (affects blood glucose deleteriously)
- Visoluten peptides for the eyes
- Oxytocin (feel-good trust hormone released with breast-feeding, physical contact, sex, etc.)
- Pink Cloud LSD (1 drop is 1/20 of a hit of acid, 5 mcg)
- Yohimbine HCl
- Kion Lean
- Assists w/ healthy blood sugar management
- Good supplement w/ cold thermogenesis
- BPC 157 (code: BEN)
- Tailor Made Compounding
- BGF podcasts w/ Dr. Matt Cook
- TB 500
- DSIP (Deep sleep-inducing peptide)
- PT 141 (aphrodisiac)
- BGF podcasts about peptides
- Peptides Unveiled: The Best Peptide Stacks For Anti-Aging, Growth Hormone, Deep Sleep, Hair Loss, Enhanced Cognition & Much More!
- The Dark Side Of Peptides: Why You Need To Proceed With Caution When Using These Powerful But Potentially Carcinogenic Molecules.
- The Peptides Podcast: Everything You Need To Know About Anti-Aging, Muscle Gain, Fat Loss & Recovery Peptides.
- How To Use BPC-157: A Complete Dummies Guide To Healing The Body Like Wolverine.
- International Peptide Society
- Pine pollen (reproductive benefits)
- Piracetam (cognitive benefits)
- Dihexa topical cream
- Cerebrolysin intranasal spray Semax
- Qualia Mind
- Exogenous ketones
- Ranks very high in “cupping” score
- Beans are hand-selected for symmetry (roasting quality)
- Organic beans (3% of beans in the world are organic)
- Nitrogen flushing packaging w/ roast date on the bag
- Coffee Gator
- Grind fresh right before you make it (oxidation)
- How to hack your own structured water
- Live Spring Water (lower deuterium content)
- Infrared light
- Is all water the same – BGF podcast with Dr. Gerald Pollack
- BGF article about structured water and the interview with Dr. Gerald Pollack
- TrueDark light dot stickers wrapped around light bulbs and fridge lights
- RA Optics blue light blocking glasses
- Red light incandescent bulbs
- Find what works for you
- Try just one or two things at a time, don't be overwhelmed with the volume of info shared in this show
- Book: Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton
- Get really good, clean water
- Focus on the best sleep possible
- Kratom for pain relief
Bedroom and Bathroom
- Ozone Generator
- Book: The Ozone Miracle by Frank Shallenberger
- Ozone Dialysis
- BGF podcast with Dr. Matt Cook about Ozone Dialysis
- Ozone therapy by Dr. Philip Lenoue of Lenoue Integrative Medicine in Spokane
- HEPA Air purifier (Austin Air)
- Molekule air filter (code: BEN will save you $75)
- EMF kill switch
- Pristine Hydro water filter
- Saunders Lumbar Home Track
- Dr. Ho's decompression belt
- BioMat Pro
- Normatec compression boots
- NuCalm cranial electrotherapy stimulation device (discount applied at checkout, 65% off the first month of any new monthly subscription)
- Mylar thermal blankets
- Higher DOSE infrared sauna blankets
- Power Medic giga laser
- Joovv Go
- Re-timer glasses to re-time the body clock and improve sleep
- Verilux lamp
- Ooler sleep system (code: BEN15 for Ooler, code: BEN25 for Chili)
- Oura ring
- Take a cold shower before bed when in a warm place w/ no AC
- Geo Vital shielding mat (clears geopathic stress zones)
- BGF podcast with building biologist Brian Hoyer
- Lambs clothing (shields EMF)
- BGF podcast w/ Clint Ober and his website
- PEMF grounding mat
The Zen Den
-Devices and gadgets…1:51:31
- Mini Trampoline
- X3 Bar
- Joovv panel
- Vibration plate
- NuCalm (discount applied at checkout, 65% off the first month of any new monthly subscription)
- Dispenza Meditation
- Vital Reaction hydrogen inhaler
- Circadia by Fisher Wallace
- Clearlight Sauna
- SaunaSpace infrared light bundle
-Homemade ice bath…2:06:21
- Luke's budget freezer hack
- Adya Clarity water purifier Luke uses to clean his ice bath
- Morozko Forge ice bath
- Breathwork in tandem w/ the ice bath
- Muscle tone and strength is not synonymous w/ vagal nerve tone
- BGF podcast with Brad Kearns
Other resources from this episode:
– Book: Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton
– Book: The Ozone Miracle by Frank Shallenberger
–Kion Coffee Lover's Bundle: What's better than Kion Coffee? Keeping it piping hot at home, in the office, or on-the-go in a stylish Kion Tumbler! BGF listeners receive a 10% discount when you use discount code: BGF10
–JOOVV: After using the Joovv for close to 2 years, it's the only light therapy device I'd ever recommend. Give it a try: you won't be disappointed. Order using my link and receive a month's supply of Kion Berry Aminos absolutely free.
–ButcherBox: Delivers healthy 100% grass-fed and finished beef, free-range organic chicken, and heritage breed pork directly to your door on a monthly basis. All their products are humanely raised and NEVER given antibiotics or hormones. For 2 lbs of 100% grass-fed beef and 2 lbs of pure bacon for FREE, PLUS $20 off your first box go to Butcherbox.com/Ben.