[Transcript] – Is “Drinkable” Seawater The Future Of Health Tonics?, How “Quinton” Works, Isotonic vs. Hypertonic & Much More With Water Researcher Robert Slovak.

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From podcast: https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/podcast/nutrition-podcasts/quinton-minerals/

[00:00:00] Introduction

[00:01:21] Podcast Sponsors

[00:05:01] Guest Introduction

[00:08:13] Why Hydrogen Has Been the Biggest Surprise of Robert's Career

[00:13:24] How Chromium is Used to Stabilize Blood Sugar

[00:18:09] How Robert Discovered the Magic of Quinton Minerals

[00:25:43] How Quinton is Harvested

[00:31:28] Podcast Sponsors

[00:34:22] Where in the ocean Quinton Originates From

[00:37:38] Early Proof of the Efficacy of Quinton Minerals

[00:43:13] How Quinton Upset the Pharmaceutical Industry

[00:46:40] The Effects of Quinton Injected Via Muscle

[00:52:31] Benefits of Consuming Seawater in Moderation

[00:56:18] The Difference Between Isotonic and Hypertonic Quinton

[01:06:22] Hacking the Absorbability of Quinton with Light, Water Vortices, Etc.

[01:16:17] Closing the Podcast

[01:18:17] End of Podcast

Ben:  On this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness Podcast.

Robert:  I cannot impress upon your audience the importance of truly having the complete periodic table. You were born in it and that's what you came out of it with. And now, we are violating it. Nothing has it anymore except the ocean. Treat your body because the number of atoms of each of the element in there is in the billion. And so, let yourselves enjoy what it's expecting.

Ben:  Health, performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show.

It's time to talk water, water. My grandfather was from New Jersey. That's how he said water. “Hey, Ben, can I have a glass of water?” So, my podcast guest today, we talk way beyond water. We talk about some of the most intense and helpful minerals on the face of the planet. This guy's a three-peat guest on my show because he is the bee's knees when it comes to all things water. And we take a deep dive into water and minerals on today's show. He is Robert Slovak.

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Alright, let's go talk to Robert.

Well, folks, I got a three-peat guest on today, which means he must be good, or at least have something remotely interesting to talk about. His name is Robert Slovak. Robert is, if you haven't heard my other two podcasts with him, pretty much my go-to guru for all things water. And not just water, but like minerals, water filtration, and pretty much anything that has to do with H2O. He was first on my podcast called Water and Water Filtration. Everything you need to know about water filters where we talked about alkaline water, and structured water, and hydrogen-rich water, and deuterium-depleted water. And then, he also joined me in a podcast that we really just focused on for hydrogen water where we talked about like timing, and dosing, and delivery mechanisms, and hydrogen tablets, and hydrogen water machines, and hydrogen inhalers, and a whole lot more.

And I'll link to those previous podcasts if you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com/seawater. That's BenGreenfieldFitness.com/S-E-Awater. And the reason that I'm calling this podcast BenGreenfieldFitness.com/seawater is we're actually going to talk a lot about this so-called drinkable seawater, even though that might be bastardizing exactly what it is because I get so many questions about it. And that, in particular, is something that I talk about a lot, something called Quinton. So, we're going to dig into that. And Robert's also got some other things that he's been up to behind the scenes. He's always got his fingers in a lot of super interesting pots. And so, after we chat about Quinton for a while, I'd like to get into a few of the other emerging trends in the water industry and some cool sexy new stuff to get your guys' wheels spinning when it comes to taking care of your bodies.

Now, if you don't know who Robert is, he's a mechanical, and aeronautical, and astronautical engineer. Way back in the '70s, he founded a company called Water Factory Systems and was one of the early developers of reverse osmosis technology, which most people now, or many people now just have in their homes. Robert was behind successfully innovating that and bringing that into homes and offices, these so-called RO drinking systems. But he retired from the U.S. water industry in 1996 and began to travel to Brazil, to Asia, to international markets. And as he filled us in on his last podcast while in Brazil, got super-duper sick and got into something called Quinton Marine Plasma, which we're going to get into today. He'll refresh the back story on that with you, but now, he's also researching this new deuterium-depleted water and started a company called Lightwater Scientific. That's a form of deuterium-depleted water. He has helped to develop some pretty cool hydrogen water tablet variations, and pretty much is again the guy when it comes to all things water.

So, Robert, welcome back to the show for the third time, man.

Robert:  Thank you, Ben. Thank you for the illustrious introduction.

Ben:  Yeah. Well, I love what you do, man. I find it intriguing. And every time that I interview you, I just get inundated with questions about the stuff that you talk about. First of all, I should tell you I had two hypertonic vials of Quinton minerals to get my body charged up for this morning show. So, I thought of you as I was preparing my giant glass mason jar. And I also had three of the hydrogen tablets in there. So, I wake up every morning. I've been doing this for the past six months. I wake up every morning, one to two of those Quinton Hypertonic Minerals, three hydrogen tablets, vitamin C, baking soda, about 32 ounces of water in a giant glass mason jar. And if I'm really wanting to amp it up, I go and set it out in the sunlight for a little while or do one of these BioCharger sessions, and I set it next to the BioCharger, which produces a bunch of infrared light. And man, that thing is just like almost up there, not quite up there, I got to admit, but almost up there with my morning cup of coffee. So, every time I interview, there's like one extra thing I got to add to my morning glass of water, man. So, it's kind of a love-hate relationship.

Robert:  Well, if I'm going to make one little correction or suggestion, I'd like to see you split up those three hydrogen tablets. I know it's a little more of a pain, and you can always take three, but hydrogen is, it's fast-acting, fast-moving, fast everything, and it'd really be good to split it up. Like, having three hydrogen tablets in a row at the same time would be like doing your exercises all at once for an hour instead of doing them throughout the day. You're the why I rarely sit guy, okay?

Ben:  Yeah.

Robert:  And hydrogen is really a lot like not sitting and being active all the time. It just fixes lots of things in the body. And hydrogen very much acts the same way.

Ben:  Well, I think–wasn't it you? Or maybe it was Tyler LeBaron who I was talking to who advised that the best way to drink hydrogen would be like a diurnal dosing, like a morning and then an evening dose rather than like taking small doses throughout the day. So, I actually do three tablets in the morning, and then I do three tablets in the evening.

Robert:  Oh, okay. I will back off on that. I didn't know. I thought that was the only thing you did. And you're right, it's great to have it present in the body. It doesn't stay in the body for a very long time, maybe an hour and a half.

Ben:  Yeah.

Robert:  But that's great. I didn't know you were doing an evening blast.

Ben:  Yeah. I do a morning blast. And I say evening, but it's more like late afternoon, early evening. If I take it too close to bedtime, I find hydrogen is a little bit stimulating. In the same way that I find like the Quinton Hypertonic Minerals, I also find those kind of stimulating. So, in the later afternoon, I'll do another big glass mason jar of hydrogen, and then I typically will take minerals before I go to bed, but I use–and we'll get into that on today's show, by the way. I want to ask you about the difference between like the hypertonic and the isotonic minerals because the last podcast that we did, you alluded to the fact that the isotonic might be a little bit more parasympathetically stimulating, whereas the hypertonic more sympathetically. So, I do the hypertonic in the morning, then do the isotonic in the evening before bed. But yeah, I do a lot of the hydrogen. I find I feel really good on the higher doses, but I mean, you're talking to a guy for whom like a microdose of psilocybin is 1 to 2 grams, and I got to take like 250 micrograms of like MDMA to even feel anything. Like I'm adding the elephant size dose of just about everything I take, it seems.

Robert:  I think because you're very active.

Ben:  Yeah, it could be. I don't know. Active, but also pretty, based on my genetic testing, high activity of some of the CYP enzymes in my liver, I turn stuff over quickly.

Robert:  Alright, that's a good answer. But one thing before you leave the hydrogen thing, there was a time, and probably the first time we talked, that if somebody asked me–or there was a time somebody says, “What is this molecular hydrogen all about?” I pretty much had three fixed answers, and I said, “Well, it acts like an unusual antioxidant to the most egregious free radicals in the body, hydroxyl radical and peroxynitrite radicals, and it doesn't suppress redox signaling molecules, and it acts like a regulator for the endogenous antioxidants, and there you go. Isn't that enough? But now, those three have become, since we talked, have become like 300, okay? And it's gone crazy. Probably hydrogen is the surprise of my career, and that it was 100 times more than I ever imagined. So, there you go.

Ben:  Well, the other thing I want to ask you about hydrogen, I mean, we might as well get into this before we get into Quinton, is your website, your Water and Wellness website, you have this Active H2 hydrogen, and that's generally the one that I will use. Like, that's one that I'll take three capsules of, or three tablets of, and put in my morning glass of water, and then in my evening glass of water. But don't you also have one that you've blended with some other minerals, almost like something you could take prior to like a higher carbohydrate meal or something like that that's the–it's got chromium in it, yeah?

Robert:  The traditional chromium atom is related to glucose metabolism and is often called glucose tolerance factor. So, we have combined because one of the other surprises about hydrogen is that it suppresses, or controls, or supports metabolic syndrome, okay?

Ben:  Mm-hmm.

Robert:  Miraculously, it's like unparalleled in dealing with it. We thought, “What if people are a little beyond metabolic syndrome and moving in the wrong direction, what could we do to help their metabolism?” And the obvious thing was something called Chromax, which is kind of a brand ingredient, very highly researched that has many metabolic benefits. So, we thought by combining them, it would be great. And it, like hydrogen, turned out to be greater than we thought it would be great.

Ben:  Yeah, because chromium is really good, almost similar to the idea of metformin as a glucose disposal agent, or at least an insulin-sensitizing agent.

Robert:  Yeah. And berberine.

Ben:  Yeah. As a matter of fact, when I formulated our product at Kion, the Kion Lean, I almost put chromium in there and I wound up going with a formula called InnoSlim instead, which is like astragalus and Panax, not a ginseng, along with wild bitter melon fruit extract. But the cool thing is when I go out to a restaurant where–if I go to a restaurant, I tend to have more carbohydrates than I would at home, I have a little Ziploc bag that's kind of like–I know a lot of people in the health and fitness industry do the same thing. You show up to a restaurant with your little Ziploc bag of whatever pills you pop before you eat.

So, I've got my digestive enzymes in that little Ziploc bag, got a little bit of gluten guardian in there in case I decide that I'm going to consume any of the bread that's brought to the table. And then, I've got two of my Kion Leans, and then I put also along with that three of those Active H2 Chromax tablets that you have, the chromium, and I wash the Kion Lean down with the Chromax tablets. They'll just dissolve in a glass of water. So, I can punish my bread, and my rice, and my rice cakes, and my sweet potato fries, anything else, when I go out to a restaurant, kind of have my cake and eat it, too. But I like to combine that Chromax with the Lean, and my blood sugar stays so stable.

Robert:  Can I give you another suggestion more I think in behalf of your audience?

Ben:  Mm-hmm.

Robert:  So, one of the things we say on Chromax is do not take more than one a day, only because it has the maximum dose recommended. Now, give or take, it has the maximum dose recommended for chromium a day, which is 1,000 micrograms or 1 milligram. So, it's really, if people are going to take–people with some metabolic reason to take hydrogen with chromium, we recommend that you still limit yourself to one Active H2 Chromax. And then, the other two should be regular Active H2 hydrogen tablets. Look, you're a biohacker, you're an experimenter, but I think it's just right for me to tell people that we wouldn't want all of your people taking three Chromax, hydrogen Chromax a day because it does exceed the recommended daily dose of chromium.

Ben:  Yeah, you are right. Most of the studies on chromium do say 1,000 micrograms, and many of them split that into like two 500 mcg dosage during the day. But I think the reason I feel so good with dropping three is the extra hydrogen I'm getting, honestly. I don't think it's the extra chromium. I think it's the extra hydrogen.

Robert:  I'm sure.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, back to Quinton, you have an interesting history of how you actually discovered this stuff that I think is just intriguing. So, before we get into the ins and outs of what Quinton actually is, because I think a lot of people are confused about it, just give us a brief background of how you discovered this stuff in the first place because I just love this story. I love to hear you tell it again.

Robert:  After retiring in 1996, I did go to, at the request of a certain people and the government in Brazil, to go and help Brazil with their water to improve their water technology infrastructure. Because Brazil has every mineral and resource that you can imagine, but they don't have a lot of technology, and you need water to develop minerals. So, I went there. I thought I'd be there for, whatever, three months, and I was there for five years. So, as part of that, I ended up doing research in an area of Brazil that was, let's say a little more remote to discover why certain pollution was coming into certain cities, blah, blah, blah, and I became deathly ill. It was in an area that had no doctors, no clinic, and that was it.

So, I became deathly ill. I knew what it was. I had bacterial gastroenteritis from being a bad boy and not eating well, et cetera, and probably a lot of bad food that was contaminated, not prepared properly. So, I became extremely ill and I knew that this required me to be airlifted out of that area to Rio de Janeiro Hospital, and that wasn't going to happen. And a young man, who was on our team, came up to me and said, “Listen, you need to take this.” And he shows me that, you know what it is, that the 6 glass ampoules in the little cardboard package of this stuff he called Quinton, which is the French pronunciation.

Ben:  Quinton.

Robert:  Quinton. Like it's C-A-N-T-O-N. And this was the Quinton Isotonic, okay? Not the one you and I take every day, but let's say it's more the medical one, and I'll explain why when we go on.

Ben:  Okay.

Robert:  So, I'm going, “Seriously, Marcelo. Really? I need a helicopter, not like–what is this anyway?” He said, “It's made from seawater.” And he said something that I will never forget. He said, “This is our doctor.” And I'm going, “Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm in a primitive area.” Anyway, out of desperation, I said, “How do I do this stuff?” He said, “Just take one per hour, six of them.” I went back to my house vomiting and the whole thing–

Ben:  Back then, by the way, was it still in like a little vial packet or–well, there's two ways to get, foil packet or glass vial. Is that what it was?

Robert:  It wasn't in the foil packet. That's something we all did, but it was in that glass ampoule we call it since 1897, okay?

Ben:  Okay.

Robert:  That's how it came out for the first, oh, hundred and some years. So, I took those 6 ampoules dutifully, and I will tell you, I didn't know if I had died because all I know is I felt incredible and I knew that was impossible. And so, I just got cleaned up. It was close to midnight. I ran down to the only thing that was open in–it wasn't even a town, it was a village of sorts, and I went into the bar, the only thing that was really open or even existing, and I said, “Marcelo, I got to have more of this stuff.” And that really changed my life in a dramatic way. So, I recognized that I got more, I never had to go to a hospital, never had to go to a doctor. And when I went back to Rio de Janeiro after months when I was done with this project, he said, “I'm going to introduce you to the man, the Argentine biologist who brings it to Brazil.” I went to see him. I knocked on his door at nine o'clock at night with an apology, and I didn't leave. He said, “Come on in. No problem. Brazilians work late at night.” And I left this house at seven o'clock the next morning with him telling me about Quinton. And my jaw was dropped the entire time and I thought, “I don't think I want to be a mechanical astronautical engineer anymore. This is where I want to go. This is blowing my mind. How could I not even know who René Quinton was?” And I spent the next two years studying it in Brazil and ended up bringing it to America in 2004 with a new career in health science.

Ben:  So, does that mean like any–when you say you brought it to America, when I go to all these different websites like–not just your Water and Wellness website, but like Quicksilver Scientific or even like Amazon, do you get royalties or something like that every time Quinton is sold in the U.S. based on the fact that you brought it back from Brazil?

Robert:  Yes. So, until 2000, from 2004 to 2016, my brother and my company, Original Quinton of North America, was the sole importer of this product, okay? But my brother passed away via an accident in 2016 and it was a life-changing event for me to lose a partner of 50 years. And I decided, “Hey, I don't think I want to do this day-to-day business. I just want to train and teach and so on.” And because we were part owners of Quicksilver Scientific and the original investors in Quicksilver Scientific, my brother and I, I just said, “Hey, can I park this product to, and you know crocheted, can I park–Chris, can I park this product with Quicksilver and you guys be the master importer?” And he goes, “Robert, I don't know about drinking seawater and so on.” Well, now, that's a long story, but it's one of his of course favorite necessary products. He has it all throughout his facility for his employees, et cetera, et cetera.

So, they are the importer, and both the master distributors are both Quicksilver Scientific and Water and Wellness. So, that's how it works. And then, there's many sub-distributors. We sell to doctors and other stores, we sell to Air One, we sell into Canada. And I took that product. The success was so great in terms of this small company called Laboratoires Quinton. That had moved from Paris to Alicante, Spain. I mean, an exquisite company, if anybody ever gets a chance to visit it, it will blow your mind and you can see the Quinton museum as well in gorgeous Alicante, Spain. But I ended up bringing it really to much of the rest of the world. I was the speaker who really knew Quinton in English better than probably anybody in the world. I brought it to Asia. It's sold in China. It's sold everywhere in the world now. So, that's the story.

Ben:  Alright. So, there are a ton of different electrolyte beverages out there, as well as like trace liquid minerals you can add to water. Some people just go old schooly and will add pinches of salt to water. Arguably, all of these are going to do a decent job replenishing electrolytes. But I get this question all the time from people, especially like house guests who I'll have over and I'll be like, “You guys, let's have some Quinton before dinner,” and, “Why couldn't we just do like one of these effervescent electrolyte tablets you'd get off of Amazon, or a pinch of sea salt, or whatever?” And some people will even ask, “Why couldn't you just drink filtered ocean water?” So, can you walk me through what exactly Quinton is in terms of how it's derived from the ocean? Like, what's going on? Because I understand that phytoplankton and zooplankton, and these plankton blooms, have something to do with the way that Quinton is made? But can you open the kimono on exactly how this stuff is harvested?

Robert:  Very good. Okay. First of all, recognize what no one has correctly answered since I brought this to America in any of my classes, trainings, et cetera. No one has ever answered correctly, “What is the ocean?” I asked this to almost every group, “What is the ocean?” It's salty. It's this. I get all the answers, but no one knew, or knows, or realizes that the ocean is the only aqueous solution of the entire periodic table of the elements in the solar system, and probably the universe. It is that unique. So, the ocean encompasses every single thing that God made to construct the universe. And if we can just accept the God intervention here, it's like–we know, if you were a god and you wanted to go, “Hey, you know, I'm thinking of having this new thing called life emerge.” Man, like any good parent, you'd give everything you had. And everything that God had was the entire periodic table of the elements.

So, it is accepted that life began in the ocean with very interesting microorganisms, and separate mitochondria, et cetera, et cetera. So, it is really the life-giving solution. And what everyone overlooks is that the proportions of the elements–and let's say there's 70 plus elements, because some of the elements are gases, and we don't really include this in the calculations, but there's 70 plus elements that are in the ocean. And all of those elements have unique solubilities in the ocean. Each one has a particular PPM, or PPB, or PPT of concentration in the water, and this is what life used to evolve. And that's why you and I, and every other, mostly mammals, have virtually identical proportions, ideally, of those elemental electrolytes in our body.

I think I'll use René Quinton's great historic statement. The only way life could leave the ocean–and it evolved in the ocean, they believe, for over two billion years before leaving the ocean. He said, “The only way life could leave the ocean was to take the ocean with it.” And the fact is your blood and blood plasma are basically, that's a corrupted seawater. You don't have, we don't have all those 70 plus elements. Why? Why don't we when we were supposed to have them? It's because the grand design said, “Once you leave the ocean, you can get these from what you consume.” But that's not the life we live anymore.

Ben:  You mean like produce and animals that have harvested minerals from the earth and from the water, arguably, if those were in a pristine state, then we would actually be getting a lot of these electrolytes and minerals from things like produce and meat?

Robert:  And the proportions.

Ben:  Right.

Robert:  The proportions of the elements that your body creates naturally through its genetic code, et cetera, the proportions are the same proportions as seawater. That's the magic. That's why sea salt, as beneficial as it can be, it never can become seawater. Once you remove water, and water is the magic, you never can reconstitute it even close back to seawater. And that was something that René Quinton investigated. He goes, “Geez, what if we just ship the dehydrated seawater around and they reconstitute?” It never worked. It never performed its physiological functions. Now, I'm not saying you can't perform a simple electrolyte function, but the minerals and trace elements have–I don't have to tell you, I mean, hundreds of thousands of functions, neurological, mitochondrial, protein folding. They're involved in everything, genetic transcription. So, it has to be in the seawater state.

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Robert:  Now, what's seawater? Well, the bioreactor created by phytoplankton and zooplankton exists in rare places on the Earth. And René Quinton said this is as close–they recognized what plankton-rich areas were.

Ben:  Wait, I'm going to interrupt you right there. What do you mean bioreactor?

Robert:  Well, okay. Well, let me finish. So, there's assemblages in the ocean, huge, hundreds of kilometers across, of phytoplankton that's near the surface within the first probably 50 feet because that's the zone of light, and phytoplankton needs light. But in nature, in oceanographic nature, hundreds of feet below, there's also zooplankton. And zooplankton is, like krill is the zooplankton, copiopods are zooplankton. They're microscopic. I don't know. You could call it a microscopic shrimp if you like. And very much like cows at a farm going to pasture, eating grass, and coming back to the ranch, the zooplankton ascends upward through those 300-feet, say, and consume the phytoplankton. In the consuming of the phytoplankton, there is an incredible, we will call it biocenotic event. Meaning, it's a bioreactor of unimaginable biochemical reactions that involve not only all the elements of the periodic table in the water, but all the things that are being produced, the fluids, the chemicals, the phytochemicals, et cetera, by both the phytoplankton and the zooplankton. That goes on between those two layers, the phytoplankton on top, the zooplankton on 300-feet below. And in the center, it is actually referred to as the zone of biocenosis, and that is the birthplace of Quinton.

Ben:  Okay.

Robert:  So, if you just say, “Well, Robert, I don't want to get my seawater from there. I have an island off the coast of the Philippines. I will tell you the value of all the periodic table that you would consume from that ocean are incredible. Use it, do it, but it won't do all the things that plankton bloom-derived seawater is able to do.” And what is that? Well, for 124 years now, Quinton marine plasma in those little glass ampoules has been propped, perhaps we can call it one of the top three or four medicines, not just nutrients of all time. It was in the European physician's desk reference from about 1930 to 1999 as a medicine right along with, whatever, penicillin and all the other pharmaceutical medicines. It was indistinguishable from those other things because of what it did.

From when the time that René Quinton discovered it or produced it in 1897, and then to prove to himself, this was the most life compatible fluid known, the most famous thing he probably did was to transfuse the whole blood of six dogs in 2004.

Ben:  You mean like an intravenous administration of Quinton?

Robert:  Yes, but a full replacement.

Ben:  Wow.

Robert:  Meaning, replace as much blood as you can get out of the dog. It wasn't a cakewalk for the dog.

Ben:  Jesus, poor dogs, geez.

Robert:  Yeah. Okay. So, he did this, but the dogs survived and thrived, and several of the dogs that weren't healthy dogs became healthy. And he wrote a 500-page treatise that describes this event in minute-by-minute detail. And this has been produced several other times in history that this is beyond belief. So, he did it. Now, just shortly after 2004, Europe was raked with multiple pandemics. Already, cholera was in play from the 1800s. Tuberculosis, typhoid, gastroenteritis, here we go, syphilis, influenza, et cetera, all the diseases of the early 1900s that were killing approximately 50,000 people per month.

So, what happened was there were no pharmaceuticals then. There were potions, homeopathics, herbal elixirs, et cetera, but no real medicines. So, when Jean Jericho, the preeminent physiologist of the time, was part of the solution of overcoming the pandemics, he asked René Quinton, “What about your stuff?” And they said, “Well, let's do it. Let's take sick people and let's administer Quinton in a variety of ways.” We don't have the time to get into it, but they did, and it became a worldwide study. And Europe and Northern Africa set up 69–they were called in French marine dispensaries, but they were places where the sick came in to have only Quinton administered to them. They administered it by subcutaneous injection, they administered peritoneal injection, they administered it orally, they administered it rectally, they did everything. And consuming, drinking it, depending upon the affliction and the disease, they had figured out the best way to administer it, and it became legend.

By the time a René Quinton passed away in 1925, it had saved Europe from virtually all of the pandemics. And he was revered, something like, I can't remember–150,000 people show up at his funeral, and there's statues all over Europe acknowledging René Quinton. So, this continued on. It was still in this book called “The Vidal.” And I have a copy of the book. It's like a three-inch thick book that has Quinton as a cure.

Ben:  What's the book called again?

Robert:  It's called “The Vidal.”

Ben:  “The Vidal.”

Robert:  V-I-D-A-L. It's the physician's desk reference of France. But in those early days, France was so ahead of everybody in medicine. It was the physician's desk reference of Europe. I have a copy. I have copies of all the entries in there, and what it did, and what it was doing. In 1934, really, the first medicine, really, that was serious, came out and that was called penicillin. And that took some of the thunder away from Quinton because it was much easier to use. You can imagine in those days making a sterile solution that could be injected out of seawater without–and this is the key everyone must know, Quinton is never heated, it's never taken above room temperature. It's all sterilized and made apyrogenic for pyrogen removal by very specialized microfiltration.

Ben:  What's pyrogen removal?

Robert:  Pyrogen are fragments of bacteria that are the activators for the body to raise its temperature, to react, and beginning to build a defense against microbial diseases. So, pyrogen, they're really polysaccharides, and the pyrogen activates things in the body, and that's what start–pyro, meaning, heat–that's what starts you to have a fever to eliminate microorganisms. And of course, it can get out of control, the fever can, et cetera, et cetera. So, when you inject something, all injectable solutions to this day have to be bacterial-free and pyrogen-free, and it's very difficult to do.

So, that product went–right through the '30s, the '40s, the '50s, it was used in hospitals routinely. The biography of René Quinton was written in the '50s. That even stimulated more of the '60s. And in the '70s, France did something that is wild. They elected to make, as part of their national health program, to make Quinton free of charge for every French citizen, okay? And this is where the crap hit the fan. Well, in the 1970s, this was a booming period for the pharmaceutical industry as well. And they hated Quinton from the very beginning because Quinton's use was really a multiple use to replace many of the pharmaceuticals. We know that today, okay? They've always been wary of Quinton.

Well, what they did was, the pharmaceutical companies, they passed laws like we're seeing happen now with the pharmacopoeia of Europe and said, “Hey, here's the new rule. If you want to inject something, IV something or whatever, it has to be heat sterilized.” And that's what drove the product Quinton Isotonic out of the market as a viable modern medicine. And Quinton was driven kind of underground. It was just teeter-tottering. And the schools of Quinton, the French school, the Swiss school, the Spanish school, the Belgian school, each country had its own approach to using Quinton. These schools, they withdrew back into their countries.

And it wasn't until 2004, and I hope this isn't getting too much, but in 2004, the very year I discovered it, France Ministry of Science, the Ministry of Science held a 100-year celebration of the humanitarian and scientific contribution of René Quinton in Paris for one week, and they invited those schools back. But what those schools came back with shocked everybody. They said, “In the 25 years we've been isolated and just worked with Quinton in our own countries, we discovered that you really don't have to inject it for most things. You can use this product orally.” They didn't imagine that. And so, they released a document that is the new oral application of Quinton for a lot of afflictions that I can't even mention on your podcast.

Ben:  Now, to interrupt you real quick, because when I was at this place called the Swiss Mountain Clinic where I led a retreat a couple of years ago–I brought a bunch of people over there and we spent about two weeks engaged in all these forms of European biological medicine we couldn't get in the U.S., and customized diets, and hypertherapy, and ozone therapy. It was kind of a cool trip, a cool little clinic, like way up in the mountains about 90 minutes outside of Milan, Italy. Well, worth visiting for anybody who wants to kind of–

Robert:  It's beautiful out there.

Ben:  Yeah. Almost like a health vacation. They were talking a little bit about–I think it was called percutaneous hydrotomy where people were actually getting injected. I don't believe it was intravenous administration of Quinton, but I think it's either intramuscular or subcutaneous repetitive injections of Quinton. Are you familiar with that form of administration?

Robert:  Yes. Percutaneous hydrotomy is a procedure that's taught in Nice, France to this day by Dr. Guez. And it is a procedure for people who have back injury, ruptured discs, et cetera, anything with the spine. And what they do is they have like an octopus–imagine an octopus of subcutaneous needles of, say, eight of them, all connected with a manifold of plastic tubes that lead to a bottle of Quinton Isotonic, okay?

Ben:  Okay.

Robert:  Those little needles are inserted around just subcutaneously, not, whatever, a couple millimeters, into and around the spine, and they just allow the Quinton to flow by gravity to, this is an oversimplification, to rehydrate the spine and heal. And once you change the matrix, and I think you already know this, the matrix, meaning, the fluid in which all our cells live, is the magic of the body. It is the regulator par excellence, and it's what we inherited from the sea. It's the master regulator. If you live in the sea, you're living in the regulator. And that's why sea life has it quite easy except the fact they eat each other. It has it quite easy because the regulator is already the ocean. When life left the ocean for a terrestrial existence, it had to do something like, “How am I going to handle the temperature change? Oh, my god, it's this, it's many things are happening.”

Now, you had to do it by manipulating the extracellular matrix it's called, and that's what Quinton is. It's a replacement for the matrix. So, when you use percutaneous hydrotomy, it's incredibly healing to the spine. And there is a clinic in San Miguel de Allende in Mexico that is actually started by the gentleman who was the–I think he was the vice president or something, the administrator of the Miami General Hospital, one of the largest in America. And he went down and started a–he sent a doctor to Nice. They got trained. He now has a clinic there. And interestingly, your friend and mine, Tracy Duhs, whom you recently did a podcast with, just I think about a year and a half ago at the last A4M, she comes walking up, I was–

Ben:  A4M being the American Academy for Anti-Aging Medicine Conference, right?

Robert:  Yeah. That was the last time they had it, a live one anyway. So, I was manning part of the Quicksilver booth to show Quinton. That's what my purpose was there. So, she comes up with a young man, very buff and so on, and it was her cousin, Steven. But he's walking with a cane. I hadn't even met either of them before and she goes, “Hey, I'm Tracy Duhs, and I want to learn about water and stuff.” I said, “But I'm interested in this young man's problem. What's going on with you?” I mean, he was like in his 30s. And he goes, “Well, I was a military guy and I had an accident, and I have just been suffering with this. I've done everything possible.” And I said, “Have you ever heard of percutaneous hydrotomy?”

I mean, you're going to just blow your mind at this story. He goes, “No. What's that?” And he is like a doctor's assistant. He has almost a complete doctor's degree, so he knows the physiology. So, I said, “Well,” I described the procedure to him, and I said, “Interestingly, there is a clinic in Mexico in San Miguel de Allende. And you might call the guy and find out about it. I'll send you information.” He said, “San Miguel de Allende? That's where my family is from.” Okay? So, before I knew what happened, he was down there, and he's probably been down there three times for the percutaneous hydrotomy, and he's probably the happiest guy in Texas right now.

Ben:  Wow.

Robert:  So, very effective for that kind of problem.

Ben:  Okay. So, that really helps me wrap my head better around where it's coming from. So, harvested from these plankton blooms.

Robert:  Yeah. There's nothing like it and not being heated. If you heat Quinton, will it have beneficial minerals and trace elements? Absolutely. Will it be able to do all the things that are promised in that Vidal physician's desk reference? Not on your life. That's why it's difficult to understand. That's why you really have to use Quinton for the most therapeutic reasons from the glass ampoule. That's the only thing that can protect it adequately.

Ben:  Okay. Because after the phytoplankton and the zooplankton have processed these minerals, they would then undergo some type of filtration to ensure that they're pure. So, that would be why you can't just say like drink seawater and get the same effects?

Robert:  I mean, I think you have to be very careful just drinking seawater, okay? That's on a regular basis. But I just want to say that seawater in moderation will always give you a beneficial supply of minerals and trace elements. All the sea has the same stuff. What form they're in is another story. And the form has a lot to do with the capability of seawater.

Ben:  What do you mean by that the form that they're in?

Robert:  When I say the form, so in this zone of biocenosis with the phytoplankton and zooplankton, like all of the minerals are organo complex in ways that science has no clue yet. And no one's spending money to find out. It's a very complex solution. They remove all those organisms, but left behind are not just minerals and trace elements of the ocean, but there's a complete list of phytonutrients. There's DNA, RNA, antifungals, antibacterials. The list is like 100 items that can be detected in Quinton that are the result of this interaction of the phytoplankton and the zooplankton in this special area. That's how it's all connected.

Ben:  Okay. Got it. Alright. So, when it comes to the actual electrolyte composition, obviously, based on the fact that this is harvested from seawater, and it comes from this phytoplankton and zooplankton, I know that that's what's responsible for the unique bioavailable electrolyte-rich chemistry or something like Quinton. But is there anything else in it? Like, does it have any fatty acids, or amino acids, or anything else like that?

Robert:  Many fatty acids because the fatty acids–I mean, what? Some of the best DHA comes from algae, right, or plankton. I mean, they all produce the best DHA. So, polyunsaturated fatty acids are in micro amounts in Quinton, but they're all there. It's just one of the most complex solutions of all, and it acts–I mean, it's homeopathic, it has energetic qualities. People always use Quinton to program it, and no one fails a muscle test with Quinton. I mean, for the last almost 20 years, people would go, “What is that stuff? Let me muscle test.” And they go, “What is this stuff?” So, it has a magical quality beyond biochemistry.

Ben:  Does it have, based on that, calories? Because I know people are going to ask this now because we said it has like some fatty acids in it, et cetera. Because people who are fasting, for example, and wake up, have this in a fasted state.

Robert:  It would be less than a microdose of polyunsaturated fatty acids, okay?

Ben:  Okay. Like, less than taking a fish oil capsule?

Robert:  But it might be linked to something that nothing else can give you. Are you with me?

Ben:  Mm-hmm.

Robert:  It's really that unknown because there's no money into examining the micro biochemistry of Quinton. Who's going to pay for that? Nobody cares. They just said, “Listen, this stuff has worked for 124 years. We're just going to keep on using it.”

Ben:  Okay. Got it. So, that's helpful. And the other thing–and I may rapid fire a few questions at you here that might take a little bit longer reply. But we touched briefly on the fact that there's two different versions kind of, the isotonic and the hypertonic. Can you help me understand the difference between those two, and when they should be best used? Because up in my pantry, I've got both. I tend to like the hypertonic better just because it's more often that I want energy than that I want more of a parasympathetic stimulus. And that's just based on not on my own understanding of my body, but the fact that I do a lot of heart rate variability testing. And one thing that I test often is parasympathetic versus sympathetic nervous system balance. And I always tend to have really, really good parasympathetic drive, possibly because of my background in endurance sports, possibly because I'm just not a super stressed out person anyways. And so, I find I turn to the hypertonic more frequently, but can you help me and my audience understand more the actual difference between iso versus hyper and how you use those?

Robert:  Okay. So, hypertonic is the solution exactly as it's removed from the plankton bloom, and then subsequently goes to extensive a month of quality control and inspection, and then it goes through this very elaborate microfiltration system and put in the ampoule. So, it's straight seawater that is micro-purified. The isotonic is diluted. Now, so the actual concentration of seawater and hypertonic is 3.3 grams of the periodic table per liter, okay, 3.3 grams. Imagine taking 3.3 grams of, whatever, salt or something, and putting it in the liter of water. If you heat hypertonic, a bowl of hypertonic on the stove and evaporate the water, if you do it to a liter, you'll end up with 3.3 grams of the periodic table.

Ben:  Okay.

Robert:  Now, they take hypertonic and dilute it to 0.9 grams per liter. That is what is called isotonic, and it's the same concentration as your blood plasma. But your blood plasma, you and I are exceptions, I don't know the rest of our audience, but your blood plasma is always 0.92, or 0.9 also. It's just that it doesn't have the variety of minerals and trace elements of the entire periodic table. Your electrolyte balance is probably a mess, and it does more to control your health long term, your ability to ward off chronic disease than most anything. It is the foundational nutrient that doctors, and consumers, and biohackers, all overlook its importance because they just don't know the history of the chemistry and all the details.

So, this one is the one that is identical to your blood plasma. In both World War I and World War II, Laboratoires Quinton made this isotonic as a blood plasma replacement for the allies, and this established largely its credibility. It is also used–it is forbidden in the United States for reasons you and I don't have to go into, but we know.

Ben:  Wait, which one's forbidden in the U.S.?

Robert:  No. This procedure.

Ben:  Oh, the procedure, okay.

Robert:  To use Quinton Isotonic because it is made in an IV bottle, okay? It's actually produced in an IV bottle of 250 cc's, but this cannot be imported into the United States because it violates the FDA that, hey, unless something is an approved pharmaceutical, you can't use it. But this product looks like saline solution, but it contains the whole periodic table. It is the magic when someone heals with this. And that's why when it's used in other countries, it is perhaps one of the most revered products in the entire history of medicines. But unfortunately, we cannot bring it into the United States, but some doctors do use subcutaneous injection of isotonic, and it has an identity with your own blood plasma. And a doctor who is familiar with this, any doctor worldwide goes, “I administer all my medicine with Quinton because the body just takes in the Quinton and uses whatever is added so efficiently.” It's quite a magnificent thing to really understand and observe. So, the isotonic eye call, if a doctor comes up to me and says, “Robert, you have 30 seconds to tell me the difference between isotonic and hypertonic,” I say this, “The isotonic is the medicine, the hypertonic is the nutrient.”

Ben:  So, basically, in a nutshell, the isotonic is equal to the blood in terms of the plasma concentration, equal mineral concentration.

Robert:  Well, better than anyone's blood, but–

Ben:  Okay.

Robert:  You and I have the right concentration because we take Quinton. Our body, even though you and I take hypertonic, it's going to sort out the concentrations. I mean, it knows, that's its design. It's going to put the right proportions, the right amounts of the 78 minerals and trace element electrolytes into our blood. We are lucky guys for this.

Ben:  Yup. Got it. Okay. So, for many people, especially like non-athletes, people who perhaps aren't sweating frequently, people who don't have a robust sauna protocol, et cetera, I have talked to people who find that hypertonic almost feels too energizing, too overwhelming to their systems, those people should probably be using more of the isotonic solution or–

Robert:  Or use a half a hypertonic.

Ben:  Okay. Got it. Or dilute the hypertonic with a hefty amount of water, right?

Robert:  Look, I cannot impress upon your audience the importance of truly having all the complete periodic table. You were born in it, you evolved in it, and that's what you came out of it with. And now, we are violating it. Our food no longer has it, nothing has it in anymore except the ocean. So, when you treat yourself to this, to hypertonic, say, you know what, people go, “Geez, I can't afford that a dollar a month kind of product or something.” I go, “You know what, take one a week.” I've even told people, “Take one per month. Treat your body.” Because the number of atoms of each of the element in there is in the billions, okay?

Ben:  Okay.

Robert:  And so, let yourselves enjoy what it's expecting.

Ben:  Now, the hypertonic, that's definitely something that should be considered by heavily sweating people, athletes, endurance athletes, folks who really want electrolyte replenishment, and who also might be a little bit more hard-charging and have like a higher mineral turnover, et cetera, that even though they could like take the isotonic before they go to bed at night because the hypertonic is, from what I understand, like three times the mineral concentration of blood, that would be more something for the people who really need more support for strenuous physical activity, sweating, perhaps people who are sick and need more rapid electrolyte replenishment, that type of thing?

Robert:  Precisely. You've nailed it. And also, one of the appropriate times to take isotonic is before you go to bed because Dr. Michael Kessler–I don't know if you know Michael Kessler. He's a very incredibly informed guy who is an expert in heart rate variability, and he proved to me–I mean, I think it was probably about maybe seven, eight years ago now, I get a call on Sunday morning and he goes, “Are you Robert Slovak?” I'm going, “Yeah.” And he goes, “I'm Dr. Michael Kessler. Do you know who I am?” I go, “No, I don't.” And he goes, “Listen, I'm an authority in a heart rate variability,” but he said, “I have tested this with, whatever, 50 patients. Do you know that 1 ampoule of isotonic shifts virtually everybody based upon my heart rate variability from sympathetic to parasympathetic? Do you understand that?” I go, “I didn't know it.”

And that guy was so great. He used to come to our conferences where we had a booth and we're showing products and so on, and he would just have his heart rate variability. And he'd say, “Hey, come on over here. Let me show you something.” And he measured them, boom, 10, 15 minutes later, the people would be in sympathetic. So, I tell doctors, “Listen, the greatest thing you can do for your doctor's office,” and maybe there's not too many doctor's offices at this time, but I said, “The greatest thing you can do for a patient who's most certainly and sympathetic in your doctor's office, okay, because you're either going to stick him, or take his clothes off, or do something crazy to him, a great gift to your patients is to give them an isotonic while they're in the waiting room.”

Ben:  Okay. Interesting. Now, the other thing that I wanted to ask you about kind of like the use of Quinton would be this idea–and you mentioned Tracy Duhs, for example, and we just did a podcast about this whole idea of structuring or vortexing water. I've used like water vortices in the past, set water out in the sunlight, like I mentioned earlier in front of infrared, to help with the actual structuring and the formation of the so-called exclusion zone that guys like Dr. Gerald Pollack at University of Washington have looked into in terms of enhancing the electrical potential of the water. But do you ever do that with Quinton? Do you ever put it through a water vortexer or set it into infrared light or something that would enhance the absorbability?

Robert:  Absolutely. If we had our video–and I would show you how I do it. I have a couple bottles with a little inter-bottle. A vortex device that we sell called the Vortex Magnetic Energizer, it's beautifully made and it's very unique. It's quite inexpensive. And I put in a hypertonic into a liter of water, or maybe even a half a hypertonic, depending on what I'm going to do with the water, and I expose it to the vortex, which is–and kind of what may mean, it's a science that very few people know about. And it's based upon the work of Viktor Schauberger from the 1920s and '30s about moving water in a vortex is an implosive force that pulls in, let's say energy from the zero point. So, when you expose water to a vortex, it's typically going through at the apex of the vortex what is called the zero point, and this entrains energy from the zero point–the universe is filled with this energy. And for all we know, it could be part of dark energy, but it entrains this energy into the water and gives it certain properties. Now, what is it doing to the molecules? Well, it's not configuring the molecules, it's probably adding resonant energy to the bonds that the molecules of water are connected to, and making some kind of enhanced connection between the water and the minerals that you've put in it from the hypertonic.

Ben:  Okay. Got it. Yeah. Have you talked to my dad, Gary, recently?

Robert:  Not recently, but of course I've talked to him.

Ben:  Yeah. He sent me a photo the other day because he's been developing like a new handheld vortexer that you can just–he told–

Robert:  Oh, I don't want to know.

Ben:  He knows I drink a lot of Pellegrino and he said, “You got to start vortexing your Pellegrino by just pouring it through my water vortexing tube to allow to get a lot of those same extra hydrating properties you'd get by passing water through basically like a toroidal vortex.” And so, I told him to ship one up to me. He hasn't yet, but I'm looking forward to get my hands on that.

Robert:  I think it's the most viable form of water structuring. Now, what I don't agree with–and my jury, I'll say, is out on this. I can't prove it and neither can anyone else. Everyone wants to make easy exclusion zone water or fourth phase water, okay, H3O2. Everybody wants to pretend that this is what they make. But here's what I think. When you subject most structure–let's say we make a configuration in water of hexagonally oriented molecules of water, this has nothing to do with the bonds now, nothing to do with resonance energy, it's just the molecules. When you have this configuration that you've done with whatever method you're working on, I ask all researchers, do you believe and can you prove that this can survive passing through the stomach?

This is such a destructive force when you go through the stomach. I mean, it can dissolve a sirloin steak in 20 minutes. And I ask myself, “Does everybody know how delicate the structures are in water?” I mean, they're fickle, they're flighty, they change every picosecond. Can you imagine putting a drop of hydrochloric acid in water? Do you think those bonds are all going to like line up like soldiers like they did when you first structured it? So, this is a big question, Ben, that I have for the whole industry, and I hope people examine this more. When researchers say, “Robert, I made a structured water.” And I'm going, “Let me recommend you try it this way.” You can have people drink your water, see what it does, et cetera. But if you want to see what your structure really does, have them nebulize the water. This goes directly into the bloodstream through an aerosol that you inhale from the nebulizer.

Ben:  Yeah. And that's kind of similar to like this desktop thing sitting right beside me right now made by Life Science Technology called the Eng3. It also goes by the term a NanoVi, and that actually–

Robert:  I know it well.

Ben:  Yeah. That structures the water. It's not a nebulizer, but it's got a nasal cannula, as well as just like this little mouthpiece, and I can just breathe that during my day of work. I do have across the desk from here next to me a countertop or desktop nebulizer that I bought when COVID pandemic first started, to nebulize glutathione, and/or colloidal silver, and/or hydrogen peroxide.

Robert:  Have you ever nebulized hypertonic?

Ben:  So, I could nebulize Quinton with this?

Robert:  Absolutely. Hypertonic. You want to nebulize hypertonic because it gets too dilute in the nebulizing process. Do hypertonic. It is fantastic. I mean, the minerals are so–

Ben:  I'm going to try it. You know, I've done it before. Dr. Matt Cook had me nebulize it when I was down at his clinic. He had me nebulize that and nebulize glutathione. But I haven't been nebulizing Quinton here at the house, but that's a good idea because obviously, I'm a fan of multitasking. So, anything I can do, like nebulizing while I'm working on an article, it's at my desk, that's easy for me. So, maybe I'll try. I've got a writing session later on this afternoon. So, maybe I'll try nebulizing it.

Robert:  Well, here's a cool thing to know. In Barcelona, there's a clinic called the Pros Clinic, P-R-O-S, okay? And the Pros Clinic is a respiratory disease clinic. I've been there two times with my jaw open also, almost everything Quinton makes your jaw drop. And all they do for all–I mean, they handle everything from cystic fibrosis to pneumonia, everything you can name, and all they use is nebulization of Quinton, and you nebulize a liter of Quinton.

Ben:  Oh, wow.

Robert:  And they have these special nebulizers. You actually take your shirt off, and it nebulizes, not just as you would through your nasal passages, but it gets in your ear, and the nebulization is dripping down your chest. They've been around for, whatever, 25 years, and they handle all the respiratory diseases just with Quinton Isotonic and Hypertonic. I mean, it's mind-blowing.

Ben:  Fascinating. Wow. Well, this is super interesting, and I know you have–like I mentioned, Quicksilver Scientific has the Quinton, but on your website where, based on our previous two episodes, you have a lot of the other stuff we've talked about like the hydrogen tablets or the hydrogen tablets with the chromium. You have the Quinton as well. And I know we have a 10% discount code GREENFIELD for anybody who wants that at Water and Wellness. You can use that code, or I'll link to it in the shownotes at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/seawater. That's BenGreenfieldFitness.com/seawater.

And I would recommend you go to the shownotes because–you should listen to my episode on hydrogen water with Robert, and then also my episode on water filters because I get a lot of questions about both of those as well, and a lot of people are unaware that we've unpacked that quite a bit in previous podcasts. But I really want to devote this show to Quinton just because I'm asked so much about it. And honestly, there were a few things about it I didn't fully understand that I do now. So, this has been incredibly helpful. If you're listening in, just grab a little bit of the isotonic, take some of that before you go to bed at night, get some of the hypertonic and take some of that when you wake up in the morning.

Robert:  Yeah, 30 minutes before you eat.

Ben:  Oh, 30 minutes before you eat.

Robert:  Fifteen to 30 minutes is the best time to take Quinton, before a meal.

Ben:  Why?

Robert:  Because the meal will entrain and react with all the minerals. You know, it's unpredictable how it will do it. But you really want it to get into the bloodstream as directly and unencumbered.

Ben:  Oh, you're saying just don't drink it on an empty stomach?

Robert:  No. Drink it on an empty stomach.

Ben:  Or do, I'm sorry, do drink it on an empty stomach, yeah, yeah. Well, I just do the two–well, typically, depending on how rigorous my day is going to be, basically, I just do one to two of the hypertonic, like I mentioned, in the morning with my morning big glass of water with the hydrogen tablets and the vitamin C, and then I just do the isotonic in the evening, or in the later afternoon or early evening.

Robert:  We just came out, I don't know if you've seen it, we just came out with the 10 milliliter, which is the same as the ample sachets of Quinton for like traveling, or guys who are into sports, et cetera.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. And those work well, too, if people don't want to mess around with the glass or have one little glass vials explode in your bag. Well, cool. Robert, this has been super helpful. I'm going to have to have you on again in the future because I know you've got so many other things we've been bouncing back and forth from new research on hydrogen water to different forms of reverse osmosis technology. There's so much that we haven't had a chance to talk about, but we're having a quick discussion before we started recording, and you said you've got some cool little things you've been doing that might be better demonstrated via video. So, if you have some video recordings of some of the technology you've been messing around with that you want to send over to me, I can put those in the shownotes as well for people who want to check out some video demonstrations of some of the unique water technologies that you've been using. I think that would be cool to put in the shownotes. So, if you send any of that over or send me a Dropbox link or whatever, I'll put that in the shownotes as well for people.

Robert:  Very good. Appreciate it.

Ben:  Awesome. Alright, folks. So, BenGreenfieldFitness.com/seawater, S-E-Awater is where the shownotes are. Water and Wellness is Robert's website. Code over there is GREENFIELD. If you want to save 10% on anything at Water and Wellness, you can just go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com/waterandwellness. And also, listen to my other two podcast episodes with Robert about water filtration and about hydrogen water because I think they're fascinating as well. I also have an interview, like Robert mentioned, with Tracy Duhs from San Diego where we discussed water quite a bit, as well as with my father, Gary Greenfield, in which we discussed structured water quite a bit. So, all of those would be good resources for you as well. I'll link to those in the shownotes.

In the meantime, Robert, thanks so much for coming on the show again, man, and sharing all this stuff with us.

Robert:  Very welcome, Ben. I'm going to give your dad a call soon.

Ben:  Oh, yeah, you should, you should.

Robert:  We got to chat.

Ben:  Yeah. You guys should definitely do it. Alright, folks, I'm Ben Greenfield along with Robert Slovak signing out from BenGreenfieldFitness.com. Have an amazing week.

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Robert Slovak is my go-to “guru” for all things water.

He first joined me in the podcast “Water & Water Filtration: Everything You Need To Know About Water Filters, Alkaline Water, Structured Water, Hydrogen-Rich Water, Deuterium Depleted Water & Much More!

…and then also in the podcast “Everything You Need To Know About How To Use Hydrogen Water: Timing, Dosing, Delivery Mechanisms, Hydrogen Tablets, Hydrogen Water Machines, Hydrogen Inhalers & Much More!

…and now Robert is back for a three-peat to talk all things minerals, Quinton, advanced hydration methods, and beyond!

Robert is a degreed mechanical, aeronautical, and astronautical engineer best known for co-founding Water Factory Systems in the early 1970s. He and his brother were among the early developers of reverse osmosis (RO) technology and its many applications. Their successful innovations encompassed home and office RO drinking water systems, bottled water production, laboratory purification, hemodialysis, seawater desalination, microchip production, bottled water production, water vending, spot-free vehicle washing, and scores more. As a result of the rapid growth of RO applications, Robert’s ongoing seminars, and a best-selling industry book on the subject of point of use (POU) RO, he became a well-known figure in the water industry.

Robert officially retired from the US water industry in 1996 and went on to bring his knowledge and experience to Brazil, Asia, and other international markets. He put together a team and published Agua Latino America to establish a legitimate water equipment and education infrastructure in Brazil and South America. His “students” continue to play a major role in Brazil’s water industry.

In 2004, while in a remote location of Brazil, Robert became seriously ill and was introduced to an obscure 1897 medical discovery known as Original Quinton Marine Plasma (named after the famous revolutionary biologist René Quinton). Robert attributes his “jungle” survival to Quinton's remarkable healing properties. This ocean-harvested nutraceutical contains the entire Periodic Table of organo-complexed minerals and trace elements as well as essential and rare micronutrients and has been continuously produced for more than a century. Having been an avid student of health and nutrition science for decades, Robert recognized the remarkable history and efficacy of Quinton Marine Plasma in supporting a wide range of the most difficult health conditions and has distributed it to leading-edge clinics and health practitioners around the world since 2008.

For the past nine years, Robert’s focus has been on bringing a new nutraceutical breakthrough called “Molecular Hydrogen” (H2) to medical professionals and health-minded consumers. This “smallest molecule in the Universe” has been overlooked for its remarkable health benefits until now. With more than 800 worldwide health studies on the subject, physicians, researchers, and clinicians have been proclaiming H2 as the most unique and versatile antioxidant and signaling molecule. In 2010, Robert co-developed a practical way for everyone to benefit from this discovery by creating the first reactive hydrogen tablet that infuses water with a supersaturated concentration of H2 gas. This proven nutraceutical is now in its 9th year of distribution in both professional medical and consumer markets.

In 2011, Robert became a founding investor in the Quicksilver Scientific Corp., which was developing a groundbreaking new technology to deliver nutrients and nutraceuticals to the cells: nano-encapsulated liposomes. In just a few years, Quicksilver Scientific established its scientific dominance in this growing field and is currently expanding its product scope and global distribution. Recently, several of the key formulas offered by Quicksilver Scientific have become a cornerstone in the ongoing battle against the coronavirus.

While attending medical and wellness conferences throughout North America, Robert recognized the persistent minefield of water-related misinformation encountered by doctors, patients, and consumers alike—that’s after spending nearly 50 years in the water technology industry. This unsettling experience soon turned into the motivation to do something about it and Water And Wellness was established in 2017. A team with more than 150 years of combined experience was assembled to create a product line of advanced POU and point of entry (POE) water treatment systems for health- and wellness-minded consumers. In addition, a line of synergistic water additives was formulated for the consumer market including Quinton and QuintEssential minerals & trace elementsActive pH Restore alkalizing mineral powderActive H2 ULTRA molecular H2 tablets, and Active Ribose C high-bioavailability vitamin C.

Recently, Robert’s 20-year interest in Deuterium Depleted Water (DDW) took a new direction forward. With the revival of Soviet-era research from the 1960s and recent announcements explaining the profound health benefits of DDW, Robert and his associate acted quickly in creating a new company, Litewater Scientific. Their strategy is to offer a more advanced and affordable brand of DDW for consumers and health practitioners. The Litewater brand of DDW is now available here in 1/2-liter (5 ppm) and 2-liter (10 ppm) bottles throughout North America.

Robert continues to be a very active figure in the rapidly expanding role water plays in the wellness and anti-aging communities, making appearances and presentations worldwide.

During this discussion, you'll discover:

-Why hydrogen has been the biggest surprise of Robert's career…8:15

-How Chromium is used to stabilize blood sugar…13:45

-How Robert discovered the magic of Quinton minerals…18:10

  • Went to Brazil in 1996 to improve its water technology infrastructure
  • Became deathly ill due to bacterial gastroenteritis (food poisoning)
  • Was introduced to Quinton due to the extreme urgency of his case
  • Quinton Isotonic (not what Water and Wellness sells)
  • Studied Quinton in Brazil, introduced to the American market in 2004
  • Robert is the founder of Quicksilver Scientific, the original sole distributor of Quinton in the U.S.
  • He stepped away due to personal reasons in 2016
  • Now Quicksilver Scientificimports it, and Water and Wellness also sells it

-How Quinton is harvested…25:45

  • The ocean is the only aqueous solution of the entire periodic table of the elements in the solar system
  • It is generally agreed that life as we know it originated in the ocean
  • The are 70+ elements in the ocean; they all have unique solubility
  • “The only way life could leave the ocean was to take the ocean with it”- Rene Quinton
  • The proportions of the elements your body creates naturally are the same proportions as sea water
  • Seawater can never be reconstituted once it leaves the state of being seawater (such as sea salt)

-Where in the ocean Quinton originates from…34:20

  • Assemblages throughout the world of phytoplankton and zooplankton
  • Zooplankton (like krill) 100 yards below the surface, consume the phytoplankton, which are near the surface
  • Biocenotic event: bioreactor of biochemical reactions; involve all the things produced in the water
  • Zone of biocenosis: the center of the space between zooplankton and phytoplankton (the birthplace of Quinton)

-Early proof of the efficacy of Quinton minerals…37:40

  • Transfused blood of 6 dogs, replaced with Quinton-infused blood
  • Europe had many pandemics in early 20th Century
  • Quintonwas used to successfully treat hundreds of patients from these pandemics
  • Quinton was dispensed from what were called “marine dispensaries”
  • The Vidal(French physicians desk reference Slovak mentions), has Quinton as a medicine
  • Penicillin introduced in 1934, took a bit of thunder away from Quinton
  • Quinton is never heated, never taken above room temperature
  • Pyrogen: fragments of bacteria, activators of body to raise its temperature

-How Quinton upset the pharmaceutical industry…43:00

  • France made Quinton free to every French citizen in the 1970's
  • This caused pharmaceutical industry to lobby for laws that made Quinton more or less impractical
  • New law was passed – injectables, IVs had to be heat sterilized; drove Quinton out of the market as a viable medicine
  • Between 1970's and 2004, Quinton researchers realized it could be used orally, does not need to be injected subcutaneously

-The effects of Quinton injected via muscle…46:50

-Benefits of consuming seawater in moderation…52:55

  • Beneficial supply of minerals and trace elements
  • The form has a lot to do with the capability of the seawater
  • Minerals are organo complexes (mystery to science)
  • Phytonutrients, DNA, RNA, antifungals, antibacterials can be detected in Quinton minerals
  • Fatty acids: best DHA come from plankton

-The difference between isotonic and hypertonic Quinton…56:30

  • Hypertonicis the solution exactly as it's removed from the plankton bloom (micro-purified)
  • Isotonicis diluted version of hypertonic; the same concentration as blood plasma
  • Blood plasma doesn't have the variety of minerals found in Quinton
  • During both World wars, isotonic was used by the allies as blood plasma replacement
  • Using Quinton isotonic as a blood plasma replacement is forbidden by the FDA in the U.S.
  • The isotonic is the medicine, the hypertonic is the nutrient
  • Best time to take isotonic is before bed; hypertonic may be too stimulating
  • Michael Kessler: 1 ampule of isotonic shifted patients from sympathetic to parasympathetic

-Hacking the absorbability of Quinton with light, water vortices, etc….1:06:30

-And much more!

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2 thoughts on “[Transcript] – Is “Drinkable” Seawater The Future Of Health Tonics?, How “Quinton” Works, Isotonic vs. Hypertonic & Much More With Water Researcher Robert Slovak.

  1. A says:

    Hi Ben/Robert, I’m wondering if it is actually ok to put the hydrogen tablets along with hypertonic Minerals, vitamin C, baking soda, in the same mason jar.
    Would that not interfere with H2 release in the liquid and possibly lowering the PPM, compared to just use the hydrogen tablets with plain water?

    Also, what form of Vitamin C would be best to use? Would Active Ribose C be suitable?
    Thank you!

  2. Cheryl Jeffrey says:

    Ben/Robert, what is the difference between the Aquatru RO counter top device and the best ever water pitcher? They both seem to claim up to 99% contaminant removal..

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