[Transcript] – Time Traveling To Heal Trauma, Hyper-Customization Of Diet & Supplements, Past Life vs. Epigenetics & Much More With Teri Cochrane.

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[00:00:00] Introduction

[00:00:53] Podcast Sponsors

[00:04:58] The Wildatarian Diet and Some Back Story

[00:10:17] The work Teri Cochrane did on Ben the night prior to recording the podcast

[00:19:14] What to expect after undergoing a genetic analysis and working with someone like Teri

[00:24:50] How Teri Cochrane became immersed in the fields of energy and intuition

[00:31:07] Podcast Sponsors

[00:33:13] How to pierce the veil of time and tap into the universal fruit of wisdom

[00:38:23] How Teri Cochrane is different from the garden variety fortune teller at the county fair

[00:51:05] Teri's process for bringing healing after discerning blocks to a person's healing

[00:59:31] How Teri is able to scale her work worldwide

[01:05:45] Why Teri is obsessed with wild meat, plants, etc.

[01:11:20] Teri's Gold-Standard Wildatarian Diet

[01:20:19] How to know if it's a past life, or something epigenetic from a past ancestor

[01:28:03] Closing the Podcast

[01:31:46] End of Podcast

Ben:  On this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness Podcast:

Teri:  We know we exist in a quantum experience, and we are energy, and we know that time is a construct. I can see what is potentially off-balance.

Ben:  How do you see it? Is it like light or something?

Teri:  It's a knowing. It's a knowing. It's just like, “This is what's going on.” And, we live in the unified field where everything is happening at once. We can rewrite our story because we exist in infinite potentiality until we ascribe a thought to it, which then creates a wave, which then creates an outcome.

Ben:  Health, performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show.

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Well, my elbow got a free massage for the past hour, Teri, with all this crazy muscle-testing. And, like I was telling you when you were doing all that crazy stuff back in the kitchen on me, I'm glad I didn't do any dumbbell side raises this morning, because that was a heck of a lot of muscle-testing, baby.

Teri:  You got a workout 2.0, Ben. That's my kind of workout.

Ben:  Yeah. And, it was really interesting because you've been on my podcast before and you have some really, really cool philosophies when it comes to nutrition. So, for those of you listening, Teri's been on my podcast before because she wrote a book a long time ago called “The Wildatarian Diet.” And, I don't remember who sent it to me, but I get a lot of these diet books sent to me, of course. And, half of them I don't read just because they're the same old, or they're basically somebody's special flavor of a diet that they think is the best diet for all of humankind, dropped the mic. And, of course, we know, based on biochemical individuality, right, Teri?

Teri:  That's right.

Ben:  –that that's not true. And, we're definitely going to get into that today. So, I got this book called “The Wildatarian Diet.” Am I pronouncing that right, Wildatarian?

Teri:  That's right, Wildatarian.

Ben:  And, it's all about how even us in the health sector eating grass-fed, grass-finished meats, and were generally raised cattle and pastured chicken, even that still presents some issues in terms of what are called amyloids that can accumulate in the body. And, you actually have to do… you have to pay more attention to, for example, meat sources and particularly choose wild meat when you can. And, we really got into that in the last podcast quite a bit. And, I won't kick that wild horse [00:06:43]_____ —

Teri:  That's very good, Ben.

Ben:  –to death, because I will link to that previous podcast that I did with Teri several years ago in the show notes for this podcast. And, you can find the show notes at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/Teri. That's T-E-R-Y. BenGreenfieldFitness.com/Teri is where I'm going to link to everything.

But, basically, this was several years ago that I interviewed Teri about this wildatarian diet. And, we'll cover some concepts of that in today's show. But, today's show is, I think, going to be super interesting for you and contain information that you're really unfamiliar with that goes way beyond just eat wild meat. And, the reason for that is, since I interviewed Teri that first time, which was again all about diet, multiple people who I highly respect in the health industry have reached out to me and said, “You got to work with Teri.” And, usually, that's via email, and I'll write back to them. And, I'm like, “Well, I had her on my podcast. I've read her book. I freaking feature Teri in my new book, my Boundless Cookbook.”

Teri:  I've been.

Ben:  I'm like, “I don't think there's anything else Teri and I really have to talk about.” He's like, “No, dude. She does energy medicine work and nutrigenomic work and all this crazy customized stuff and even some woo-woo ethereal energy medicine type of stuff.” So, I'm like, “Okay.” And then, people kept recommending you, Teri, over and over again.

Teri:  That's so nice of them.

Ben:  So, last year, I reached out to you. And, for the past year, we've been trying to connect to do another podcast, and also, to take a deep dive into some of this other crazy cool shit that you do. So, what happened, for everybody listening, is Teri actually came up to my house. She arrived last night. And, we decided to just spend today and last night taking a much deeper dive into what she does. So, I think that covers it, Teri, right?

Teri:  You did great job, Ben, yeah.

Ben:  So, that's the backstory. That's the backstory. And so, she got in last night. And, my wife made some braised oxtail. That was pretty good.

Teri:  Amazing, amazing, best braised oxtail I've ever had, truly.

Ben:  It was pretty good. And, I think I joked based on the doctrine of signatures that our butts are going to be feeling great today because we ate tail last night, baby.

Teri:  We sure did.

Ben:  And, last night, we did some super crazy stuff that I'm going to tell you guys about later in this podcast, but back to my elbow. So, I've been doing these side raises with Teri all morning because Teri was muscle-testing me. And, before all you, scientists, turn off the podcast and run away because muscle-testing is woo-woo, you're definitely going to want to pay attention because this was really interesting. So, Teri, test them in. I was taking my supplements, like my nori and my bee pollen and raw honey and Zevia, pretty much everything that might be little staples in my diet, all my supplements, all these crazy things that Teri arrived with a giant suitcase that she could test. And, we've just been testing my body for all morning, and learning a lot of cool stuff.

So, Teri, first of all, welcome to Spokane, Washington.

Teri:  Thank you. It's so beautiful. First time here. May not leave. You guys are treating me so beautifully.

Ben:  Yes, the other Washington. You're from Washington DC, right?

Teri:  I am. We went from one Washington to the other.

Ben:  Yeah. And so, what I want to start off with is Teri's actually got a really interesting backstory. But, rather than getting into that, which I want to get into before we get into the energy medicine piece, walk me through what I just experienced, Teri, because it was really interesting.

Teri:  Okay. So, yes, muscle-testing can be perceived as voodoo magic, but it's actually quantum biology because at the end of the day we are energy. And so, what I did is I had you in your field, the energetic frequencies of things like neurotransmitters, such as serotonin and dopamine and epinephrine, or pathogens like candida and small intestinal bacteria, and other hormones. We test everything.

But, what's so different around the granularity of what we did then is we also did a nutrigenomic analysis on you. So, before I even got here, you had given me information around your genes.

Ben:  I sent you Jessa's genetic report, my son's genetic report. So, when we get back from our podcast, you're going to do all the same testing on them, which I'm super excited about. But then, you got access to my full genetic reports. You showed up at my house, armed with all my genes, armed with this giant suitcase of stuff you could test me on, along with the things in my home. And then, we launched into whatever we were just doing. So, keep explaining.

Teri:  Yeah. So, what is beautiful about the dance between the nutrigenomic analysis and real-time feedback from your body. So, the body is highly intelligent. It's a miracle machine. And so, what the body does is it always tells the truth. The body cannot lie, inherently. And, when I put in your field, for example, streptococcus, which you did fine on. If that signature with that specific frequency interferes in your field because we know we have a biofield that actually has been validated by the National Institutes of Health. It's this etheric field around us, which is a field of energy. We are energy.

Ben:  Plants, even. I did a podcast about plants. Plants have a biofield. Everything in the universe has a biofield.

Teri:  That's right. And, that biofield operates at a certain frequency. Well, if I put into that field any substance that interrupts the circuitry of that field, then, by me applying pressure to your arm, and you're a strong man and I'm a small woman, I'm a petite woman, if that interrupts the field that your nerves can no longer fire to that muscle in your arm to stay strong, it totally breaks the circuit and you fail. And, you saw in real time, Ben, that there are certain foods and certain other constituents that your body had no control over.

And so, what's so cool about this applied form of kinesiology, which is really under the tenets of my Cochrane Method, we call it iterative applied kinesiology, is that we know that the genes that you have are just potentiality. It doesn't mean that they're expressed. And, the beautiful work of Dr. Bruce Lipton really speaks to —

Ben:  Yeah, the “Biology of Belief.”

Teri:  Yes. Love Bruce, what a dear man. It's the signal to the gene that causes the expression. And so, what we found today is many of the genes that you had as potentiality had been expressed, while others had not. And so, what the muscle-testing does, it gives us in real-time feedback which of those genes are expressed, and why are they expressed. And so, the science behind the granularity of the methodology that you witnessed today is that it is rooted in deep biochemistry. So, it's not that I'm just pulling on your arm and your arm will either stay strong or it will be failed, if you will. But, we have to understand the nuance of the why. And then, we have to create the antidote for the why.

And so, for example, if there's a dysbiotic gut where hydrogen sulfide is high and you have a genetic polymorphism for sulfur processing mechanisms, well, sulfide is a sulfur. And, if that's high and you're not able to process sulfur, then foods that contain rich sulfur, such as the cruciferous kale and broccoli and cabbage and cauliflower, are going to contribute to that burden and trip that genetic polymorphism, which then causes a neurotransmitter response, which then impacts your gut.

Ben:  And so, for example, a lot of people get a genetic test, like a 23andMe, or we talked about when you were doing my testing, my friend, Dr. Ben Lynch, who has that service called Strategene, which tests for dirty genes, or some people will get a whole-genome analysis. And, it shows you all these predispositions that you have towards certain weaknesses or strengths. But then, you're taking that one step further and saying, what's actually manifesting when you're doing the muscle-testing, which of these genes are actually problematic for somebody.

Teri:  Exactly. And, not only are they problematic, why are they problematic? So, the tendency of the Cochrane Method goes to the four portals of gene expression. And, that is pathogenic, which can be bacterial, viral, parasitic, or fungal. It can be environmental, which includes toxins, food, chemicals. And, it can be emotional, an emotional burden. We know that the thought creates the thing that we can trip genes by our thinking alone. That's the work of Dispenza.

And then, the last piece is a physical impact. If you get whacked in the head and your pituitary gets a little dislodged, then your whole autonomic nervous system, pituitary, I call it air traffic control, being the master gland, it is going to miss signal to all of those little hormones and neuropeptides and neural hormones. So, those are the four tenets of the Cochrane Method that say, “Hey, what tripped this gene?” And then, the deep biochemical algorithm, which I've developed, gets us to the what can you do to rebalance that expression?

Ben:  So, give me an example of a gene that, when you reviewed my whole genome that I sent over to you, you observed that I had, what you tested on me regarding that gene, and then what you would do to fix something. Because, there were certain things where you're like, “Hell yes. Right off the bat, candida was huge on me. Histamine intolerance was big on me. Sulfur.” Those are three, the big ones I noted. Now, you also tested things that could fix that, right?

Teri:  Yes. So, for example, candida is a fungal organism. So, you have the HLA DQ2 gene polymorphism which can lead to having a mold sensitivity. Well, mold and fungus, they play in the same playground. You also have several genes for oxalate metabolism impairment. Well, oxalates actually feed on mold. Oxalates create crystals. Oxalates, with mold sensitivity and a fat metabolism impairment, can create biofilm. And so, what the biofilm does is —

Ben:  Oxalates from so-called healthy foods, too, like almonds and spinach and stuff like that, right?

Teri:  That's right. So, if you have an oxalate sensitivity and you're mold-sensitive and you have a fat metabolism impairment, eating almonds and spinach smoothie is kicking your butt, causing a nutrigenomic expression. And, you're not going to get well. And, well-meaning practitioners say, well, this is a green, and almonds have great vitamin E, and it's an essential fatty acid. Yeah, folks. But, it's also an oxalate. And, the hierarchy of needs, which is under, again, my methodology says, “Heck to the [00:17:43]_____.” Get run from the oxalates because the oxalates not only have that biofilm component, but oxalates and candida will trip a dopamine mechanism, which now you're hyper-innervated.

Ben:  Well, let's say somebody like me has an oxalate sensitivity and they know almonds and spinach make it feel like crap or they've done some kind of testing that shows they have an oxalate sensitivity, you also tested, you had certain vials and certain things you'd have me hold that I think are things that you would recommend for addressing an oxalate sensitivity or consuming to help you process the oxalates, right?

Teri:  Yes. And, that's the granularity of the dance of the body. Can this supplement that should be indicated for that individual based on that sensitivity, will that work for you? And so, in your case, with the oxalate and the sulfur and the candida, P5P, which is a form of B6, is really important to help manage that sulfur and oxalate burden. Also, for the fat burden, it was really important. And, we love the Biotics Research Beta-TCP. It has betaine. It has lipase. It has [00:18:46]_____.

Ben:  These are examples of supplement manufacturers that make supplements. You had all those in this giant suitcase that you travel with. You have me hold those. And then, you test those to see if, all of a sudden, that weakness that manifested in me when I was holding the almonds becomes lessened, right?

Teri:  Absolutely. So, that we call the antidote to the imbalance. And, in real-time, the body can say “I like this. This completes the circuit that was once broken by that thing you put in my field.”

Ben:  Now, what happens when you actually start working with people and they try this out? I don't know how much research exists behind this, but talk to me about what people can expect if they get a genetic analysis, they go through this muscle-testing, they incorporate the changes. What have you noticed in your practice?

Teri:  Well, even just last night, I received an email from a young lady who had been ill for nine years. Pedram Shojai recommended me to her. Thank you, Pedram, if you're listening.

Ben:  Pedram's been on my podcast before. Great guy, the monk book that he wrote.

Teri:  The monk, yeah, “The Urban Monk.”

Ben:  “The Urban Monk.” Yeah, he wrote “The Urban Monk.” Great, great book, by the way.

Teri:  Yeah, it is. And so, this family has been struggling. They have gone to the Mayo Clinic. They've gone to Hopkins, to Children's. This young woman has been struggling with idiopathic disorders. I call it idiot-pathic, meaning that nobody can really know why it's happening. And, she has just been battered about in the system. So, they flew to see me. We did a nutrigenomic analysis. We muscle-tested. And, in her case, again, it was very high sulfur, very high oxalate, super fat metabolism impairment, super neuro-expression rooted in strep and a viral load and candida.

And, I received notice from her father that, within 24 hours of starting the supplementation and the diet, she actually, for the first time, has eaten out and was able to walk around Washington DC. This child has been, basically, a prisoner of her home. She's, I believe, 19. For the last nine years. And, to quote was, “This is nothing short of amazing.” And so, that's just one of many. We just had another client of mine who reached out to me this week. Crohn's and Barrett's esophagitis. Barrett's esophagitis is a pre-cancerous irritation of the esophagus. Crohn's is an autoimmune disease of the large and small intestine. Guess what, folks. Not anymore. They did the biopsies. It's gone.

Ben:  And so, when you're testing me and you're saying — because, you had your laptop hooked up as you were working with me. And then, you had another guy taking all these notes. You were saying, “So, Ben needs this. Ben should not eat this. Ben should take this supplement, etc.” When people do all this testing, will I get a full list of which foods are supportive for me, which ones to avoid, and then a customized supplementation list based on the combination of the genomics and the muscle-testing?

Teri:  Absolutely. We say we do everything but the shopping and cooking for you. So, based on our testing, you will get a list of foods by food category: fruits, vegetables, legumes, etc., that tells you, it'll say, “Yes, this is a happy food.” We don't like to say “no” because the body has a negative feedback loop to no. So, we leave it blank, because, as the body heals, that may become a “yes” later.

Ben:  Do you do blood-testing and gut-testing and stuff like that, too, to back all this stuff up? Or, is it just genetics and muscle-testing?

Teri:  We can do it all. And, I have a naturopath that works in my office. And, honestly, Ben, we work collaboratively with so many doctors across the country, and we see people virtually, that a lot of the doctors will do the tests, or people come to me with, literally, a wagonful of tests. And so, we'll have a GI map. We'll have a SpectraCell. We'll have a, my gosh, a parasitic test. We have the typical CBC. And, we have all of the serum work. And, a lot of it, we have found, time over time, it's very corroborative. And, for example —

Ben:  You mean it corroborates with the genetic and the muscle-testing, which, from my perspective, seems to be the core of the testing that you do?

Teri:  It is. And, what we find, especially, in a case of viral reactivation, so I'm considered a Hashimoto's expert. Hashimoto's is an autoimmune thyroiditis for hypothyroidism. Over 80% of Hashimoto's is a viral expression, re-expression. And, it's typically the Epstein-Barr virus. So, what we find is they fail in our office, if you will, with the Epstein-Barr viral at the thyroid because these little bugs like to hide in certain organs. And, we have the individual go to get the serum work, if they want, to verify it. Well, we see–

Ben:  The serum work, meaning like the blood testing to back up what you found.

Teri:  Bloodwork. Yeah, the blood testing. And so, the blood testing will show, hey, your IgG for EBV capsid or early antigen is through the roof. So, yes, you have a reactivation of that virus or streptomonai or candida albicans. Or, we'll do–oh, my gosh. It's a great plain smokies where it has all of the neurotransmitters and all of the oxalate bacteria. So, arabinose is a byproduct of candida. And, it increases your oxalic acid. So, organic acid test, that's what it's called. And so, we'll see it.

Ben:  Wow.

Teri:  We'll see it as corroborative.

Ben:  Yeah, I'm familiar with that organic acid test. But, I've never had testing done before in this manner that agreed so much with other blood tests I've done, which you hadn't seen. All you had was my genetics and my muscle-testing. So, it's really interesting. It leads into this whole idea of energy and intuition, which is really something that I find absolutely intriguing, especially, with the work that we did last night.

So, what I want to do now, just so that we're not putting the cart too far in front of the horse —

Teri:  The wild horse.

Ben:  Yeah, the wild horse. You have a very interesting backstory. You have a very interesting brain, you were telling me last night, about how you've been requested by certain people to do a brain scan on you, just to see what's going on in there inside Teri's cranium. So, tell me about how you got into all this in the first place, because it's a really intriguing backstory.

Teri:  Yes. Well, it is. And, I would have never thought 20 years ago you would have asked me what would you be doing. The last thing I would have said walking down this beautiful country road with Ben Greenfield on this amazing autumn day because I was an institutional risk manager. I did risk management lending. And, I ran a business unit for Freddie Mac. 

Ben:  So, you weren't in health at all?

Teri:  No, I was in financial health, absolutely. And, I was a risk manager. With the birth of my first son, by the age of 3, we were told he would never be normal. He would have brain seizures. He wouldn't grow past 5'4″. We were constantly in the hospital. He was barely walking and talking.

Ben:  What was wrong with him?

Teri:  Well, it was failure to thrive. It was, again, another idiopathic. We have no idea, but your son's going to have to live on steroids and bronchial dilators and more steroids and antibiotics. And, he had strep throat almost 11 times his second-grade year.

Ben:  Wow.

Teri:  Yeah, it was really scary, Ben. And, at first, I thought, “Well, we can live with this.” But, I'm a Cuban refugee. I was born in Cuba.

Ben:  You're a Cuban refugee.

Teri:  I am a Cuban refugee. And, my parents instilled in me, never live in the problem, find a solution. And so, when we came to the states, we found a solution to be immersed into the American social fabric.

Ben:  How old were you when you guys came to the states?

Teri:  I was four. I didn't speak English. And, we went to Indianapolis, Hoosier town, where nobody spoke Spanish, for sure. But, we integrated, and my parents —

Ben:  Indianapolis seems like a logical choice from Cuba.

Teri:  Of course, so similar.

Ben:  Wouldn't want to choose Miami or anything like that to make the transition easier?

Teri:  We had no choice. They said, “You're going to Indianapolis.” We said, “We're happy to be in the U.S.” So, that solution-seeking mindset made me start thinking, well, what if it doesn't have to be this way? I know I'm a risk manager. I put things together. I figure out the why for these complex real estate deals and make it with a good outcome. Why can't I do that for my son? So, I started doing research. He's 27. He was 5 at the time. That's a long time.

Ben:  He's 27 now.

Teri:  He's 27 now. He was only 5 at the time. And, for two years, we kept falling off the cliff with allopathic medicine. And, the research led me to say, “Holy moly, the food that I have been told to feed my son all of his life is literally poisoning him.” And so, within five days of eliminating wheat, corn, dairy, citrus, and peanut butter, the fungus of all fungus is the oxalate of all oxalates.

Ben:  You don't like peanut butter, I found that out.

Teri:  I do not like peanut butter. He started breathing. And, that was the genesis to, say, ham on to something. And so, by the age of 10, I had become “Dr. Teri” at Freddie Mac. And, people would come see me not talk about deals.

Ben:  By the time your son was 10?

Teri:  Yes. My son, he was 10. Sorry, by the time he was 10, people were asking me questions, not about the risk of a deal but the risk of their child. And so, I really had this moment, Ben, when God just sits with you and says, “Go do something?” I was meditating on [00:28:27]_____.

Ben:  Yeah, and most people ignore that.

Teri:  They do. And, I'm so glad I didn't. And, it was crazy. But, I was meditating and I was told, “Hey, go back and quit your job.” And, I did that Monday. And, I was doing very well at Freddie Mac, and people thought I was nuts. But, I knew that there was something, a greater calling guiding me to do something, so I could be that mother for other mothers that was told “Your child will be broken.” And so, that was the genesis of this beautiful trajectory, which I've been doing this now 16, 17 years.

Ben:  You're very good at it, again, because I hang out with a lot of doctors and people in the healthcare network. And, many of them just sing your praises. But, I'm curious in terms of after having figured this out with your son and beginning to work with some of your co-workers, did you wind up going back to school? Did you have to go–because, obviously, you don't know a lot about biochemistry and microbiology and stuff like that when you're a financial analyst.

Teri:  That's correct. And, thank you, Ben. Yeah. So, the good news is my grandfather was a physicist and a chemist. So, somewhere in there, there were some science genes that may have been passed down. But, you're right. I was at international finance. I spoke French. I did risk management. And, you had no clue. So, the great works of Dr. Jeff Bland and Dr. Joe Pizzorno, they were the first books I cracked. I studied clinical nutrition. I studied functional nutrition. I studied herbology. I studied biochemistry on my own because I didn't feel that the books were giving me enough. I looked at a complementary and applied medical program at Georgetown. And, I felt that the curriculum was too myopic, sorry, Georgetown, at the time. So, after getting certain designations, I also studied cranial sacral. I started studying with shamans. I studied healing touch because the body is not just the physical, as we'll talk more about later.

And so, I incorporated all these modalities. And, over these years, I say, to be great, we have to iterate. And, my work has been ever iterative. And, every day, I have a researcher on my staff. We are with the real-time feedback from our client base based on what their bodies are telling us, we continue to make discoveries. So, nothing that I'm saying or that I apply has been pulled out of thin air. We have the clinical literature that supports my theses. And, what we're doing is we're taking all that wonderful academia that has not been put together, and I have woven it together into an interplay that's highly effective.

Ben:  And, that's what you call the Cochrane Method?

Teri:  That's right.

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Because it's not just like eat wild food —

Teri:  No.

Ben:  Or, get your muscles tested. It goes way deeper than that. Now, we're about to go deep, because you guys–This is crazy. And, this is what was really been blowing my mind even more than the muscle-testing that we did this morning. 

So, basically, Teri gets to the house last night. And, we got all settled in. And then, we spent two, two and a half hours before dinner, before that wonderful, braised oxtail that my wife made, along with some pumpkin pie that my kids made. 

Teri:  So good, boys.

Ben:  [00:33:47]_____. I'm going to feed you some–

Teri:  Feels so loved.

Ben:  SEATOPIA Nordic Blu Salmon, chalkstream trout, with some fish collars tonight.

Teri:  I'm not leaving, Ben.

Ben:  So, we'll definitely be hitting the whole wildatarian spectrum on this trip. But, anyways. So, we're sitting around before dinner, and you basically took me and my wife and my sons through this epic session of telling us about our past life history and how to reprogram our subconscious and just some crazy stuff that really resonate. My wife's crying and my kids are just intrigued, two 13-year-old boys who are just absolutely enthralled with this stuff. I'm on the edge of my seat the whole time.

And so, you began by telling us that you've got a unique brand. There's a chance you'd be a little bit narcissistic, Teri, and really explain this. We even said, I think you said some assistant surgeon general or something, reached out to you and wanted to scan your brain, which you turn down because you didn't want to mess up these crazy skills that you have. But, what's going on inside Teri's brain? When did you realize that you were a little bit different in terms of this other skill that you have? And then, explain what that other skill is to people.

Teri:  Well, I do believe that we have it all within us, but it's the ability to recognize it, to hone it, to stay in the humility of it, and then to really, really hold it in a very safe space. And, the work of Dispenza and the work of Lipton and the work of Einstein and the work of Friedman, we know we exist in a quantum experience, and we are energy, and we know that time is a construct. And so, those of us —

Ben:  Time is a construct?

Teri:  Yes, meaning that everything is happening in real-time. But, we can pierce the veil of time and go into the unified field. So, time as we experience it in the third dimension, which is linear and horizontal, can actually be experienced in another dimension, which is vertical. And, we can pierce the veil of time. And, I believe the greats, and you talked about this last night, Ben, the prodigy of Mozart, who get, at four, sit down and compose an entire symphony. How is that possible? He pierced the veil of time. And, he pulled in what I call the universal fruit of wisdom into his physical body to achieve magnificence. And so, we have the ability to do that. I believe the great mystics had the ability, the great inventors.

Ben:  And, when you say this, you mean being able to tap into the wisdom of our ancestors or what we carry in our epigenetics as human beings, is that what you're referring to? Or, is it more like, well, they call it morphic resonance to where every time when human being learns something, it increases the collective intelligence of the rest of the human race? What exactly are we talking about here?

Teri:  I love that. I think that's both. I think that those of us that are skilled can look at an individual and see beyond the physical and see what happens in, has happened, and will happen in the field, and bring it into real-time. And, therefore, what I say when I work with people individuals, and this is a very selective group, I don't do this with everyone, we eliminate the big rocks. So, we have interferences in our eternal field, potentially, that may be keeping us from, what I call our infinite potential. But, we don't know it's stored in the subconscious, it's stored in the matrix, it's stored in the etheric field. But, it's stored there.

Ben:  Well, I did a podcast, and, I'll link to it if you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com/Teri, with Don Wood, who I was telling you about last night, Teri. And, we had a great session with him and my family where he taught us how to reprogram uncomfortable or traumatic events from our past, how to replay those like a movie in our mind, how to frame them differently, and how to shut down this so-called cell danger response that has kept our physiology spinning in a sympathetic nervous system fight-and-flight mode even subconsciously. And, it was a fascinating session that we did with him. But then, what you did, and I thought at first it was going to be like that, but it was different, you actually sat there, and one-by-one, for each of us–my wife, my sons, and me–sitting at the table, you actually read into a previous life's history. And, it's way over my head.

But, tell me what it is you were doing, how you acquired this skill, and how is this any different than, don't be offended, but going to the fortune teller at the circus? I realize that's an involved question. We got time.

Teri:  Thank you. Thank you for the time. So, let's go back how did I get into this and how did this happen for me. Well, I believe I've always been a very intuitive human being. Even from a little girl, I used to have dreams when I would pull bad stuff out of people. I was only 10. I would take this magical rope, and I would pull it from their gut. I remember that. In high school and college, I was always the girl that people went to with their troubles. Even at Freddie Mac, people would come to me, and I would help soothe them.

But, it was really when it really went off the hook, if you will, into an exponential expression, is when I became seriously ill almost five years ago from a life transition that was occurring in my life. And, I was told, “Teri, you have a 15% chance of surviving.” And, if you do, you will be broken.

Ben:  A 15% chance of surviving physically. You were sick?

Teri:  Yeah, surviving physically. I was that sick.

Ben:  That was concerning. What did you have?

Teri:  I had liver damage, brain damage, brain encephalopathy. I had heart inflammation.

Ben:  Was it car accident or something?

Teri:  No, no.

Ben:  Or, there's just something built up?

Teri:  Nobody could figure it out. They thought I had all sorts of bacteria. They were wrong. I was on IV antibiotics, IV steroids, IV antibiotics, IV steroids. I was all these they thought I had a Rocky Mountain spotted fever and Lyme. But, they got it wrong. I had a reactivation of what I call the seven dwarfs. But, nobody would test me, but I was testing in-house. And, at that time, I wasn't the viral expert that I am now. What I learned was my stress response tripped seven viruses in me causing this deleterious–

Ben:  Seven virus, is that the seven dwarfs?

Teri:  The seven dwarfs.

Ben:  Alright, tell me about that.

Teri:  PBB, CMV, HSB-126. We had the coxsackie. We had the varicella-zoster. We had the… oh, my goodness.

Ben:  You had all these viruses?

Teri:  All these viruses, through bloodwork, were confirmed. And, I was writing my Wildatarian book at the time. And, it made me rewrite my book because I learned that being wild would de-express the viral load. And, also, the biggest thing was surrendering to the situation at hand. And, this is when I surrendered, and this is true, I surrendered to God, and I let him take it. I call that my period of animated suspension. So, during this multiple-month period of another animated suspension, I believe I was given a gift. Actually, my gift was illuminated.

Ben:  So, these gifts you've had since you were 10, five years ago, you went through a health crisis that allowed you to begin tapping into this gift with more depth?

Teri:  Yes, with more depth, with more precision. And, all of a sudden, I come out of it and I have much more insight, much more ability, much more awareness. And, again, because I'm a woman of faith and I really listen, I'm a curious listener, I listen to what I'm being guided to do. And, usually, if I don't listen, always, I'm going to stub my toe. But, if I listen, I have clear paths ahead. And, that listening was, you got to create a program because you're on to something. And, within six hours of creating this program, I had my first two clients which I hadn't even solicited. And then, over these last five years, as I've touched lives, the skill has further evolved.

Ben:  And, you pair it with the genomics analysis, which was super interesting, because last night, and I actually want to, maybe, we'll use me as an example, you're like, “Ben, you have this gene, this gene. And, this is who you were in a past life. And, this is how you're programmed. And then, you got this thing going on with your father,” and just all sorts of crazy stuff. But, is there a name for–is that called intuiting? Is it called oracling? What's the name for what you're doing?

Teri:  I've been called a medical intuitive.

Ben:  Medical intuitive?

Teri:  Yes.

Ben:  And, how would you describe what a medical intuitive is?

Teri:  Well, I think I'm an intuitive just in general, but I can see things in your field, like I saw in one of your organ systems last night. And, I was able to bring it home with the biochemistry on the third dimension, but also the why in the other dimensions.

Ben:  Wait. So, when you meet somebody, you can see their energy field?

Teri:  I can see what is potentially off-balance.

Ben:  How do you see it? Is it like lights or something?

Teri:  It's a knowing. It's just like, this is what's going on. And, I've done these hundreds and hundreds of hundreds of cases now where I'm still in wonderment how precise it is. And so, that's allowed me to help people get over idiopathic sleep disorders. I had one woman who [00:43:16]_____ would help her get past her sleep disorder. And, we went and rewrote her situation in the quantum. And, she's been sleeping like a baby for two years.

Ben:  Explain to me, what did you do with her?

Teri:  So, we were able to discern that she stopped sleeping after the birth of her first daughter. She had three girls at the time. I was able to see in her field that this woman had these daughters in another life, and she lost them in a fire. She couldn't get to them. And so, in this life– 

Ben:  And, this could have been dozens or hundreds of years ago?

Teri:  Yes, exactly. I was able to see it.

Ben:  But, you know, because last night, you were saying actual dates. When you're working with my wife, you're like, 2005–And, my wife's crying because she's remembering all this stuff you're bringing up. But, you actually can get that specific in terms of the actual event.

Teri:  Yes, I can. And, that's a gift. And so, with that, we were able to, in the quantum, everything exists in vertical time, which you can rewrite the story, which is the neural reprogramming, in essence. And so, with that neural reprogramming, instead of her daughters dying in a fire, she was able to capture them. And, I remember it. I see it in my mind's eye right now. She used a rug. She lived on the prairie. She used a rug to thwart the fire from entering the home.

Ben:  In this previous life, you were seeing.

Teri:  She was able to come out of it. And, she started sleeping that night, and she has been sleeping since.

Ben:  Wow.

Teri:  That's just an example.

Ben:  My wife's already super excited based on the work you did with her. And, just because she's not out here with us and we'll keep her, we'll just say, issues private for now in terms of what you discovered about her, for another illustrative example, explain to me what you did with me? So, I'm sitting there at the table. Just walk us through the whole thing.

Teri:  And, I can be completely transparent?

Ben:  Yeah, I don't care. People on my podcast know I inject stem cells into my dick. They don't care about us talking about some previous life I had or whatever.

Teri:  Alright. So, with Ben, I was able to see he's man of great power. He's a man of great faith. He's a man of great purity. And, he received downloads. He lived as a mystic in another [00:45:22]_____.

Ben:  As a mystic?

Teri:  Yes, someone who received downloads. And, you were a prolific writer, which I didn't know. All I saw was you wrote so much. You were bloody [00:45:31]_____.

Teri:  You didn't even know at the time when you're doing this, you didn't know much about me and my family at all–

Teri:  No, I didn't.

Ben:  –until you walked in last night and started telling us stuff about ourselves there's no way you could have known.

Teri:  No.

Ben:  But, if there's one thing when people sit next to me on an airplane and I'm lazy and I don't want to explain to them that I do supplements and invest and the freelance, and the podcast, I just tell I'm an author because that's what I like to do the most ever since I was a little kid, is write. And so, you start to analyze me about me being a mystic in the 1500s writing until my hands were bloody. Keep going.

Teri:  Yeah. So, you're a writer. And, you're a writer, and you had flow with the information coming down, much like Mozart. In your case, it was getting caught in your body. And so, because the information download was so grand, and if the body, the vessel, can't capture it, it will have an impact. And so, as then I went into your field in the present day, I said, “Well, Ben, what I'm seeing is a mineralization of your kidneys.” And, I said, sometimes it's getting stuck in your kidneys. And, the kidneys have this ability to capture kidneys and gallbladder. They capture things, and they encapsulate. And so, I believe you're over mineralized, to which your son spouted you'd had a mineralization issue.

Ben:  That's right. I have passed a gallstone recently.

Teri:  So, there was the validation of the mineralization.

Ben:  I do get a little bit of gout in my big toes, too.

Teri:  Ding, ding, ding.

Ben:  Which is probably related the oxalate thing we talked about earlier.

Teri:  There you go. So, that was the thing. And then, I saw again. And, it's a knowing. I said it has something to do with a family member.

Ben:  You said a fishing trip when I was 9 years old where I was punished. And, I know that you talked to me, and later on tonight we're going to do a little bit more work around this issue and see what, but you're basically sitting there, literally, just straight face sitting across from the table, telling us this stuff, again, no offense, but like a fortune teller at a circus.

Teri:  Yes. However, I've been called a spiritual scientist. And so, one of the things that I have been really careful about, and this is why I'm now coming out broadly about this on your podcast, is that I've always led with science, because science is understood. This mysticism, which is really quantum work, is less understood. Although, 2021, with this pandemic and world being upside down, more and more people are coming into this world and really saying, “Hey, I need something more. I need something bigger.”

Ben:  And, let's face it also, it wouldn't be so profound if we're all provable because–And, I talked with Charles Eisenstein about this when I interviewed him about his book, “Sacred Economics,” there are certain things that when you try to explain them completely away with science or reducing them down to individual particles, you basically strip the sacredness out of them. And so, faith and some of this stuff that might seem a little bit woo, it actually is so important because it is sacred. And, by the nature of its sacredness, it isn't necessarily something we can do double-blind human clinical research studies on.

Teri:  Absolutely. And, this is why this past surgeon general who experienced a very profound positive experience with me that had a biochemical almost immediate physiological response for him, and he does, he's all into the modalities. He's like, “Wow.”

Ben:  This is the guy who wanted to scan your brain to figure out what's going on that makes your brain so different that allows you to be able to read people like this like a book.

Teri:  That's right. He's like, “This is medicine 3.0. This is precision medicine.” I'm not a doctor, so I can't claim it as medicine. But, I do work with a lot of doctors. He's like, “Teri, is this replicatable? And, how are you the only person that can do this?” I don't believe that's true, but he wanted to scan, especially, when I was in that ability, just last night, where do you go? And, how do your neuronal pathways shift so that you can access this information? For me, it doesn't matter.

Ben:  Did you actually get your brain scanned, by the way?

Teri:  No, I won't. But, what I do know is the proof is in the pudding. And, when we have hundreds and hundreds of cases where these unresolved issues–I just had someone. This is another one. This is a beautiful story. I didn't even tell you about this one. This is a woman who has availed herself with some of the best medical doctors in the country for over 15 years. She has myasthenia gravis. That is a neurodegenerative condition. When I met her, she was down to 85 pounds. She had to be fed with a dropper carried to the bathroom. And, she was deteriorating. And, this is after functional medicine–stem cell therapy, hyperbaric chambers, everything. We did the nutrigenomic analysis. We applied the supplementation. But, there was something in her field that was keeping her in a pattern of autonomic nervous system orientation, keeping her in fight-or-flight. And, the Cochrane Method is you start with calm the body first. No psychotropic, no supplementation could have helped her get over it, the combination. Six weeks later, she's eating. Six months later, she's back. She's broken 100 pounds. Nine months later, she is well. This is after 15 years, Ben, 15 years.

Ben:  And, what did you do with her, same thing?

Teri:  Same thing. It was a combination of the biochemistry, the nutrigenomics, the bio-individuality, but we had to get to that impenetrable. And, I was working with her naturopath out of Atlanta. And, he agreed that there was something in her patterning that was making it impossible for her to heal.

Ben:  So, back to what you were doing with me. So, you're like, I'm a scribe, 1500s, I'm writing. What do you then do with all that information? Because it's interesting. And, I know for a lot of people who are listening, maybe a little bit unbelievable, but what then do you do with that information when you're saying, “So, this is where you were in a past life,” for example?

Teri:  So, what it does is–Now, tonight we'll finish this, right? And, we know that you were a receiver, you were a vessel for higher-level information.

Ben:  I was like downloading information–

Teri:  Downloading information.

Ben:  –from some source, and then writing it furiously?

Teri:  Yes. And, now, what we have to do is to have your body be able to be in the flow without resistance that your vessel can capture it. I know this sounds completely crazy, but we have to create a venue for you. And, in this lifetime, there was an event that hit that tuning fork that made you hold on.

Ben:  Meaning, made it so that I have this information that I have the ability to be able to download to be able to write really good shit for people, but I'm a little bit held back from being able to fully manifest that and flow into this deep and meaningful writing as I could actually be giving to people because I have these previous life-history events that have closed me up a little bit?

Teri:  Yeah. In this lifetime, and also, what it's doing is, on a biochemical perspective, you're actually building stuff. You're capturing it. Instead of letting it flow through you, it's being caught in a field. And, that field is in your biochemical field. So, you're building stones.

Ben:  So, that's where I've got over-mineralization?

Teri:  Yes.

Ben:  So, this is where the physical is tied to the spiritual. Because, spiritually, I'm basically programmed to be a certain person. And then, there are certain things holding me back from doing that. Thus, that's manifesting in biological issues that, if we get rid of the, I guess, what's holding it back, so to speak, the block–

Teri:  That's right.

Ben:  –it then allows me to step into my full potential as an impactful human being?

Teri:  Yes. And, I've worked with people where we've had number one best-selling albums where they've written number one best-selling New York Times best-selling books, and also, people that have had family crises that they get out of this young lady with a myasthenia gravis. She's not famous, but she's going to have a life now. For 15 years, she didn't have a life. And, she was told, “You're not going to have a life.”

And so, this is the beauty of this. And, again, it was this other thought leader that dubbed me spiritual scientist because I've never met her. We even did proxy testing. She lives in Portugal. And, she had Meniere's disease. She had crystals in her ear. And, we do the whole gamut with her. And then, we were able to get rid of it. But, she has grown into even bigger situation, even changing her name.

Ben:  Wow.

Teri:  Her life was changed so profoundly.

Ben:  Tell me about this 11-year-old girl you were talking about last night because I thought that story was fascinating.

Teri:  So, this is where you go gets crazy on steroids. But, it's like you have proof. So, I was working with a young lady who I work with the family. Clinically, I've worked with them for years. I work with a mom at this level, at the quantum level. And, her daughter was having this recurrent nightmare that was impacting her current life. And so, she asked me, would you take on an 11-year-old to do this work? And, I thought, well, how am I going to make her even be conscious about what we're doing? So, it just so happened she had read “A Wrinkle in Time,” by Madeleine L'Engle. And, this is where you wrinkle time. And so, I effectively said —

Ben:  That's the name of a book, “A Wrinkle in Time?”

Teri:  Yes, “A Wrinkle in Time.” It's a children's book.

Ben:  That should be the name of your next book, should be “Time Wrinklers.”

Teri:  I love it. That's great. Thank you. So, we went in. I was able to go in and her dream with her. I was able to even visualize the color of the–It was in the 1920s, the color of the seat of the car she was in. Her perpetrator who was killing her with a gun.

Ben:  This is the previous life of hers in the 1920s?

Teri:  That's what I felt. That's what I saw. And, one of the things that we can think about then, whether this is true or not, I'm tuning into a resonance in that girl's field that is causing this neurological disprogramming, if you will. It's a break that was causing her much angst in her life. And, in this recurrent dream, she kept getting killed by this perpetrator in the dream. Well, because, in vertical time, and we live in the unified field where everything is happening at once, we can rewrite our story because we exist in infinite potentiality until we ascribe a thought to it, which then creates a wave, which then creates an outcome.

So, we rewrote the story, that perpetrator. We rewrote it such that he was taking her to a field, an open field, to target shoot. And, instead of being her perpetrator, he was a protector because he was teaching her how to carry a gun, use it appropriately to protect herself. Well, this was during COVID. She was at her home in her bedroom with her mom. As soon as we get out of our session, we're wrapping up the session, and she's like, “Wait, mom. I got to go show you something.” So, in her little box, she had had from the year before, she had won the expert marksman shooting at her summer camp having never shot a rifle. She had never showed this to her parents.

Ben:  This is crazy.

Teri:  Her issue went away. And so, is that coincidence? Possibly. But, the fact that she had never shown her parents anything, by wrinkling time, something that happened in the past, which was actually the future, affected her present day. And, she had evidence.

Ben:  Do you think, when you're going in and you're rewriting someone's history like that, it's actually rewriting history or instead rewriting what their subconscious has perceived or still holds on to as a historical incident, and like the work we did with Don Wood, reframing that to be something funny or something you shouldn't care about so much or something that wasn't as traumatic as you actually thought it was, like restructuring the way or reframing the way you think about something? Or, do you think you're actually changing history when you're going in with this time-wrinkling concept?

Teri:  I don't believe I'm–the time wrinkling concept, I have no idea. I can't answer that question with any veracity or evidence. But, what I do believe is actually happening is there's a neural reprogramming that's occurring. The work of Joe Dispenza where he actually programmed his body to get from a paraplegic to an international known thought leader in the world of neuroscience.

Ben:  For anybody who doesn't know who he is, read the book, “Supernatural.” It's really interesting.

And then, what I think is fascinating is you're then taking this ability to be able to intuit and see someone's history of, either, past lives or current lives, things that are affecting them psychologically and emotionally, then you tie that into the genetics component?

Teri:  Yes.

Ben:  For example, for me as somebody who has a real bent towards creative writing and getting so-called “downloads,” which I get, just random ideas coming into my head that are super clear, almost as though God is talking to me, and I want to write those and flow with those, basically, there's a genetic component, too. I have certain genes that support that type of activity?

Teri:  Yes, you actually have the OXTR gene, which makes you really highly empathic. That means that you feel energy more than some and more than most. And so, there is a gene for that. Also, the COMT gene, which has to do with the way that we manage our catecholamines, which are neurotransmitters. So, when we're highly neurological, what that does is it gives us exposure to connecting to some level of energy, which is electricity. Because we're highly neural. And, I work with a lot of autism. And, these kids have very similar genetics, because they're highly neural. And, they're so neural and they're so crispy fried, if you will, because their neurology is not managed through an insulation of the myelin sheath or a programming of that executive functioning that dopamine, that epinephrine, that serotonin, and then which is really pathogen or an environmental toxin that had some component as a contributory effect. We see this. And, these kids are highly neurological.

Ben:  Now, this doesn't seem like it's something that's very scalable. It's like you can't actually do this for everybody with this unique skill that you have, just because there's not enough time in a day. But, where do you envision this going in terms of being able to take what you know and this system that you've developed and actually be able to teach other people how to do that? Or, is that even a vision? Could you take someone off the streets, like the CIA's old MK-Ultra mind experimentation protocols and say, “We're going to teach you how to intuit or how to distance-heal or how to use telepathy or whatever? Is any of this stuff teachable?

Teri:  I believe it is. Some of my R3 clients–That's the name of it. Repattern, Restore, and Reclaim, is the R3. That's the program that we've been talking about. I've seen it in several of those individuals that I've worked with for a while. What's really scalable is, and this is where my focus is because this work that we're talking about is such a small part of my work. Because is one-to-one is the Cochrane Method. On its own, it stands. It's such a pillar of the next generation of bio-individualized precision wellness in the thousands and thousands of clients that have come through my door over these various almost 20 years. And, I have trained four individuals–some clinical, some not. My naturopath in my office, she's the only naturopath in the world trained under the Cochrane Method. She has a secret weapon because she has–

Ben:  Because she knows how to intuit and do this type of things you're doing, plus the medicine?

Teri:  She has the medicine. She has the intuitive. She may not have the caliber of my intuition, but the work itself in yours to being intuitive because we're working with energy and biochemistry and nutrigenomics and musculoskeletal and anatomy physiology. It's a multi-dimensional future-facing model that works.

Ben:  Let's say you were going to teach me to do what it is that you do. Would you just sit me in a room and say, “I'm going to sit here. Can you tell what I'm thinking right now?” Or, “When you close your eyes, what pops into your head about me?” Where'd you even begin to teach something like this? 

Teri:  The R3 and the intuition teaching is something that I have more on the back burner for, maybe, late in the 2020s because what we're facing right now, the bigger picture is we need precision health that can get people well in a matter of weeks where other models have failed. And so, I have various doctors that have actually started shadowing me in clinic to see the effect of how this method works. I am writing modules that we hope to launch in 2022 to bring this to scale. I can't tell you, Ben, the number of doctors, renowned doctors, who are curious [01:02:25]_____.

Ben:  People who have approached me and who've worked with you are household names in medicine. I'll just say that. And so, for me, to have you come all the way out to my house because I get people hitting me up all the time to do podcasts and stuff, speaks volumes, simply because it's something where you've got a lot of street cred. But, I was just curious if there's a way to teach it. And, furthermore, is there a way for people to experience something like this without necessarily having to have you out to their house. Could you do something this on Skype, for example, this type of intuiting?

Teri:  Yes. As a matter of fact, we can. And, we do muscle-testing by proxy, proxy being we have a proxy that stands in for the individual. And, we've seen people from all over the world, just [01:03:16]_____ or India.

Ben:  So, what we did this morning, you would have my wife doing the muscle-testing and then you're on Skype?

Teri:  Yeah. So, actually, no, we have someone in my staff, like the gentleman who was supporting us.

Ben:  They come out?

Teri:  My staff member will be the proxy for the individual, wherever they stand in the world.

Ben:  I see.

Teri:  And, short of that, we do, because of a nutrigenomic analysis and the precision within the Cochrane Method, for example, because of your podcast, I work with the owners of BodyBio now as a medical advisor for them because they both came to me to get better. And, I've never met them until just very recently. We looked at their nutrigenomics. We looked at their symptomology. They got better. And so, the nutrigenomics and the Cochrane Method alone absent the muscle-testing. The muscle-testing by proxy just gets super granular. But, we've seen people even outside of the proxy. The proxy started during the pandemic.

Ben:  When you say by proxy, you'll have your assistant there in the room with you, you muscle-test them, but then somebody else is on the call with you and it's really that other person on the call who's being muscle-tested, which also sounds woo–

Teri:  It is super woo, yes.

Ben:  –for some scientists who are probably laughing their ass off at you right now.

Teri:  I know that you may laugh at me, but there's a unified field, there's no space in time. There's no separation. We know remote viewing happens. The government uses it. It's just not mainstream.

Ben:  Yeah, that's that book by Annie Jacobson. Was it called “Paranormal,” I think? How the American military and government, for example, has been trying to figure out how this stuff works for, literally, 100 years and trying to train people to do it. And, still, one of those things, and the book is super interesting. I was telling you about this last night, Teri. There's certain people along the way they've run into who are like you, who just can do this stuff, close their eyes and see where a submarine is halfway across the world. And, they still have no clue how they're actually doing it.

Teri:  Exactly. So, yes, to all your listeners out there, this may sound so far off-field that you think this is discredited. I will tell you, I lead with science first. And, the Cochrane Method is rooted in everything deeply scientific. And, that's why it's going to scale because so many doctors want to know why we get the results we get and people stay well.

Ben:  I want to go back a little bit to the dietary component of this because I think it's really interesting. And, I hinted at this early on in the podcast, and you and I talked about this a little bit the last time that I interviewed you, this whole idea of I think you called them amyloids and how important those are when it comes to, specifically, the type of meats that you're eating. Can you explain why it is that you're so into, like pretty much obsessed with wild meat?

Teri:  Yes. Again, my clients become my greatest teachers. Almost a decade ago, I had a gentleman who was dying from end-stage amyloidosis. I didn't know what that was. It was a rare form of cancer. And, the amyloids are wrapped around his heart. Two rounds of chemo —

Ben:  And, what's an amyloid?

Teri:  An amyloid is a truncated protein structure. And, it's measured by light chain. So, amyloidosis is an aggregation of amyloids that can become rogue cells. And, in his case, it became cancerous. Amyloids have also been tied to Alzheimer's, to Parkinson's. It's also been tied to kidney disease, to diabetes. It's all in my book.

Ben:  Like the amyloid plaques you hear about with dementia?

Teri:  Exactly. In his case, Glenn, he was told, “We're giving you your last rights. And, go home and transition.” And, somehow, they've learned about me. And, they came to me. And, they said he's dying. Maybe, food can help because we've been told there are no other options. And, he came in in a wheelchair and oxygen. He was very frail man, that he was dying. At that time, I had an NIH researcher who had been trained in nutrigenomic analysis and nutrigenetic analysis. I said, “Sarah, go out and try to figure out what is going on with amyloids. Where do they come from?”

We found studies, multiple studies, that say, “Hey, guys. Our food supply is making these amyloids part of our meal.” And, it was the crowding conditions of the animals that were creating these indigestible protein structures in their bodies that were not broken down by [01:07:50]_____.

Ben:  How is it that in a crowded, like a KAFO food lot, you would see different type of amyloid patterning than you would in a pastured cow?

Teri:  We believe that it is the stress response that builds these amyloid plaques. And, chicken, as you know, Ben, I've called it the dirty bird.

Ben:  Yeah, you don't like chicken.

Teri:  I don't like chicken.

Ben:  Why is that?

Teri:  Chicken is the most studied. It's the most crowded. And, anecdotally, in our practice —

Ben:  So, it's not all chickens. It's chickens that are raised in cages.

Teri:  Chicken raised in cages, but even pasture-fed, we don't know why. I believe that if you do a heritage bird, it'll be okay. But, chicken, it's also become an inflammatory omega-6. It's been linked to increasing E. coli.

Part of my discovery was that these amyloids will reactivate viral loads. And, these amyloids build biofilm. And, the biofilm feed the viruses. And, the viruses feed the biofilm. I call it the ping-pong effect. So, it's affecting this cascade of deleterious impacts to the body. And then, these pathogens create a genetic expression, again, back to the Cochrane Method. So, with Glenn, he was so debilitated. 

Ben:  Glenn is the guy who had the amyloidosis.

Teri:  Yeah, amyloidosis. We had to make him vegan because his kidneys were failing. But, he was a wildatarian vegan. He couldn't do sulfur. He couldn't do oxalates. He couldn't do turmeric because he has that CYP2D6 gene. People out there, know your genes. If you're taking turmeric, it may be good, it may not be good. I'm one of those. Turmeric hits my butt. So, we were able to, in three months, bring his light chains down to normal. He was then able to continue–

Ben:  What does a vegan wildatarian diet look like? What stuff would you eat?

Teri:  This is great because we can actually make you–We're equal opportunity. It's a very bio-individualized plan. So, he was eating pinto beans, not black beans, because they were oxalates; brown rice, not white rice; a lot of the root vegetables, because they're neither oxalate nor sulfur. He was eating plantains for his gut. He was doing a lot of broths, but not from non-wild meat. Dr. Stephanie Seneff has shown that, you know what? Amyloids hide at bone marrow. So, careful, folks. If you're taking a domesticated bone and you're making broth because it's going to be good for you, maybe not. So, know your broth. Basics, in terms of where the bone comes from.

Ben:  Know the sources of the meat.

Teri:  Yes, exactly.

Ben:  Now, when it comes to wild meat and knowing, I know you have certain sources that you are into. But, can you tell me how exactly–You personally live in Washington freaking DC. How do you eat wild in DC? How does that actually look for you?

Teri:  So, the way I eat wild is I have my beautiful organic butcher. Hi, Don, if you're listening. And, he sources from specific providers. Now, when I say wild, it doesn't mean that we have to go out and hunt.

Ben:  Yeah, but that's what I was wondering. Does it have to be skipping around in a field somewhere? Or, can it just be a regeneratively raised cow?

Teri:  Regeneratively raised in a pasture-fed, pasture-finished, and their ancestor was not a feedlot cow, because we know, transgenerationally, DNA transfers. And, we have found, and again, through thousands of outcomes, when you go wild and you reduce the amyloid burden, people get better. And, Glenn is here to happily talk about it almost a decade later. And, they told him it would return in one year, in 18 months, in two years. And, it hasn't.

Ben:  So, Glenn was obviously a weird case doing the vegan wildatarian. Walk me through a gold standard type of average day of breakfast, lunch, dinner style eating would be for one of your model clients.

Teri:  Perfect. And, I will say, as we got Glenn stronger, he's a high-fat, low-sulfur wildatarian. So, he's eating all sorts of lamb and fish.

Ben:  So, he's doing meat again.

Teri:  Yeah, he's doing meat again. It's just when he's in that delicate nature. And, this is the thing. People think that, if I'm eating this way, I have to be eating this way forever. That's not true. We eat to our genetic blueprint in our current state of health. Super important, our current state of health.

Ben:  The same way you would do a paleo autoimmune diet for 8 to 12 weeks to heal the gut, but then, maybe, later reintroduce vegetables and more fibers or a small amount of seeds and nuts or things like that.

Teri:  Exactly. But, again, based on that genetic blueprint because if you introduce a lot of seeds and nuts to a fat malabsorption, tendency to individual you're going to bring them back to square one, which is not where they want it to be.

Ben:  So, back to what a typical day of eating looks like.

Teri:  A typical day of eating, let's just talk about me. So, I'm a low-sulfur, low-oxalate wildatarian. My body likes eggs, though, because it has choline in it. And, my brain, we call acetylcholine brake fluid for the brain. And, eggs are rich in choline. So, I love–

Ben:  Even though they have sulfur in them, too, you eat them?

Teri:  Even though they have sulfur because I've modulated my sulfur processing. Will I eat eggs every day? No, but I eat them once a week. So, I'll do eggs with avocado. My body loves salmon. My body needs the fat for the brain. I eat butter like it's cheese. So, salmon with avocado and tomato in a lettuce wrap, a buckwheat pancake with lots of butter and pear. I can't do berries very well because of the oxalate nature. For lunch, I usually have what I had the night before. So, if I have lamb with sweet potatoes or a bison chili or a venison tenderloin with a wonderful asparagus and bib lettuce and fresh tomatoes with mozzarella.

Ben:  How careful is somebody who's having dinner from the night before as leftovers the next day need to be if they have a histamine issue? Because I've heard histamine don't do leftovers. But, how big of a deal–Is that three days later, or what's the deal with histamines and leftovers?

Teri:  Great question. So, yes, leftovers will increase the histamine burden, but it also depends on what the original food is. If you have tuna, tuna is naturally high histamine. If you have tuna and you wait three days with that tuna fish sandwich or tuna fish salad, that's not a good thing.

Ben:  My kids do that all the time. They take out the wild-caught tuna. They make themselves a tuna melt. And then, three days later, they'll remember they left the tuna in the fridge and take it back out. They shouldn't be doing that?

Teri:  Not with a high histamine.

Ben:  Especially, a canned fish?

Teri:  Right. Not a canned. Canned fish is not going to be great. But, if you have a low histamine food, then you can do–If you have a really high histamine load, I would say after 24 hours, don't risk it. Three days is the outside, really outside. But, I would say 24 hours with a low histamine.

Ben:  And, you're into supplements, too. There were a few supplements during our muscle-testing that you were like, “Dude, this is a hell yes for you, and this has worked for a ton of my clients.” What are some of the supplements that you find people tend to need on a repeated basis when you're doing this kind of testing?

Teri:  So, I have developed some supplements because it's all a symphony. And, I look to these supplement processes as if you trip one bad ingredient for a genetic predisposition can flip the whole outcome of that supplement blend. So, we talked about, for you, my Stress Mover. It's been called a God Pill.

Ben:  You call it a Stress Mover?

Teri:  Stress Mover.

Ben:  But, you also call it the God Pill, what's that?

Teri:  I didn't coin it the God Pill. That was one of my clients who was eating only rice for 18 months. Brown rice is all she could tolerate.

Ben:  Oh, geez.

Teri:  She'd been to every GI specialist in the mid-Atlantic and through Miami. And, what she was experiencing was a neurological hay-wiring of her gut. So, the Stress Mover is to calm the system. It calms the system. It helps shunt the HPA axis. It modulates histamine response. It modulates the burden of epinephrine, which, Ben, as you know we were talking earlier, I call it the dirty cupcake because epinephrine is something that's secreted by the adrenals when we get stressed. And, we know that epinephrine increases the fat burden on our bodies. So, if you're already predisposed to fat metabolism impairment, you're going to get scraggled. It opens up the tight junctions of your gut, leaking your gut. It increases the pathogenicity of whatever bugs you got going.

Ben:  But, you mean excess epinephrine, right?

Teri:  Excess, yes. I mean fight-or-flight. We're trying to run from that antelope in one of your hunting events, you got to use that epinephrine to get those muscles fired. But, it's that slow drift.

Ben:  I don't run from antelopes. I run from lions.

Teri:  Got it. I would, too. So, when we are over-secreting that epinephrine and it's out of modulation, that can be a big problem. So, Stress Mover has helped so many individuals.

Ben:  And, what's in that one, again?

Teri:  So, what we love about the Stress Mover, it has taurine. Why is taurine so important? Studies show that taurine helps blunt the HPA axis. That's a fight-or-flight response. It is a precursor to dopamine, the feel-good executive functioning, calm the system neurotransmitter. It helps with bile synthesis. Why is bile synthesis so important? It's so important because bile is what is the emulsifier. And, guess what? These little bugs hide in biofilm. It helps break down the fat. 

Ben:  It sounds to me like something like Stress Mover works for a ton of people.

Teri:  It does. It really, really does.

Ben:  Is there any others? It seems like a couple of the ones you would test me on, camp over and over again, you were like, “This is an amazing one.” I think one was P5P.

Teri:  So, P5P, that's wonderful. That's a form of B6. So, the B6 helps to modulate, in your case, the sulfur and the oxalate burden. So, really, really important for you because of what you're experiencing. Another one that's really good, we talked about, again, for you, emulsifiers, things that contain betaine, that contain lipase, that contain taurine.

Ben:  That would be a really good digestive enzyme complex type of thing.

Teri:  Yeah. So, that's an enzyme, but it's also a fat metabolizing supplement. We like undecyclic acid for you because it's a biofilm breaker and also manages —

Ben:  What kind of acid did you say?

Teri:  I'd never pronounce it right. I like Thorne SF722.

Ben:  SF722, just go with the C3PO name. That's undecyclic acid.

Teri:  Yes, undecyclic, ding. Really good as an emulsifier. Really good for that burden. We really liked for you the choline inositol. Why is that so important? If you have the MTHFR C677T gene polymorphism, you recycle fats, you recycle estrogen. And with the COMT gene, the COMT gene has to do with that catecholamine. You're going to not have that choline. You need choline to manage that. And choline inositol, specifically, especially, if there's a fat burden, not all cholines are created equal. If you're super fat malabsorbed and you give somebody phosphatidylcholine, which is fat-based, you could really be doing them harm rather than good.

Ben:  So, it gets super precise when you combine the muscle-testing with the genomics. Now, do you use a certain software when you get somebody's genes? Because some people will get a 23andMe and export the raw data and send them to someone like you. Is that a good way to go? Or, what's the ideal way to actually get the DNA, and what software do you use to run it?

Teri:  So, my naturopath manages all of the DNA analyses. We use Methyl Genetics. But then, we add the Cochrane touch to it.

Ben:  Methyl Genetics is the name of the software?

Teri:  Yes.

Ben:  And then, when you say you add the Cochrane touch, what's that mean?

Teri:  The Cochrane touch is, as I explained to you, as we were going over your genetics, I said, well, people will say, “I've got this gene, so I'm going to supplement with–” Let's say you have the MTHFR C677T gene, “I'm going to supplement with B12 because you need B12.” No, you don't because you got to look at the symphony of the genes. You can over-methylate, Ben. So, if you're doing a lot of B12, you can make yourself hyperactive, over-innervated. So, we have to look at this constellation of what are the symptoms, what is the overarching? And, we talked about those three big things based on the way that I interpret the genetics.

Ben:  The three big things again are?

Teri:  For you?

Ben:  For me personally, yeah. You said sulfur, oxalates, and histamine?

Teri:  The histamine are the fat driven.

Ben:  Which is going to be super interesting for me to work on. Now, I think that the nutrition piece, your book, have you updated your book at all “The Wildatarian Diet?”

Teri:  So, I've just been too busy.

Ben:  Well, it's still a good book. It's relevant. And, again, I'll link to the other podcast, because Teri and I, we spent an hour just talking about nutrition alone in the last show that we did. So, if you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com/Teri, T-E-R-I, I'll link to that.

But, I had another thing I wanted to run by you, Teri, that I was thinking about last night. Back to the whole past life thing, how do you know that it's a past life or if it's just something epigenetic from somebody's ancestor that they're still carrying in their genes? Because, I personally don't believe in reincarnation, for example, but I do believe that we carry everything from emotions to history to skills to powers to all sorts of stuff that have been passed on to us through our genes by our ancestors. How do when you see stuff like this that's not just somebody's ancestor, whatever digging around in the 1500s, or that it's a past life, or do you know?

Teri:  So, I think that the answer is it doesn't matter because, ultimately, what your physiology [01:21:16]_____.

Ben:  It matters to a certain extent. I'm going to push back into you a little bit here.

Teri:  Alright.

Ben:  So, my belief, and I'm going to be just radically honest with you, I think that if I believe in reincarnation, it negates the need for what for me is a core part of Christianity, which is that Christ died for our sins and suffered on the cross to grant us the gift of eternal life. But, if we already had eternal life anyways because we could have just died and become somebody else, then what the heck did Jesus Christ get tortured and crucified for? So, that's where the sticking point is for me. And, I'm like, well, I could totally see how this could be ancestral and DNA, but the whole past life thing was throwing me for a loop.

Teri:  So, as you know, Ben, I'm an ordained Presbyterian elder. And so, I'm Christian core. And so, I have done multiple, multiple research and readings on what is this all about. So, I agree with you on that basis. But, there's also a lot of research that shows potentially that we are here more than once. The University of Virginia did a research study on that just about five years ago with Japanese children.

Ben:  How do you even research that?

Teri:  I didn't ask that. I didn't read that specific research paper, but it's out there. The work of Brian Weiss speaks to that.

Ben:  Weiss, is that W-E-I-S-S?

Teri:  W-E-I-S-S.

Ben:  He has a bunch of books that you were talking about last night, the past lives books?

Teri:  Yes, he has “Many Lives, Many Masters” in sale, Yale-trained psychiatrist who has 40 years of information on this. So, to your point, and why I say it doesn't matter because if you're stuck on the is it really a past life versus not, my goal is to have you be in your infinite potential. And so, I work within your paradigm, so you can release any of those held in your matrix interferences, right?

Ben:  Right. So, basically, what you're saying is you're looking at the outcome, you're looking at the fruits. And, all you know is you can fix people. And, it doesn't matter that much whether it's a past life or something stored in the DNA. And, what I'm saying is I get that, and if you're getting good outcome, it doesn't matter. But then, if you're looking at a core belief or religious dogma, and I will use it as a dogma because I think certain elements of religious are, those are dogmatic. I think it matters if you're going to say, well, I believe that Jesus Christ died for me, so I don't have to keep on living this life-death recycle over and over again.

Teri:  And, I think that's fair. I work with people of all faiths. I work with people of no faith. And so, that's part of our– When we talk about it, where do you live on your spiritual continuum? Where are you comfortable? Because, if I tell you something that may resonate with me, and that's what I'm seeing but you're saying, “Hell, no,” your body's already shutting down to the possibility of that potential shift.

Ben:  And then, for me, as people know, if they've heard me talk about COVID and vaccines and stuff like that, I'm so open-minded about stuff. And, when you were working with me last night and my sons and my wife, we were all just intrigued and enthralled by the whole process. And, I know if we would have started talking about the underlying dogma behind it all during that process, it definitely would have gummed up the process. But, for me, I was just thinking about that last night. So, I wanted to mention it as something that's on my mind.

Teri:  No, I think that's fair. And, I think, ultimately, what I'm seeing is something in your field that, maybe, I'm being told the story but it's a story that's relevant to how there's an interference in your field.

Ben:  And so, tonight, when you say, “Ben, let's go in and find out a little bit more about that interference,” is it a matter of you guiding me and me sitting down and just imagining back in the day? Or, how does that actually work?

Teri:  So, I call it the practice of the practice, so it's just not going to flip a switch immediately. Sometimes, it does. But sometimes, it takes practice. So, we'll put together some, actually, a little bit of homework for you, for you to move through listening. There'll be a meditation that I'll provide for you. There's also going to be homework in terms of where is this, and visualizations.

Ben:  I hate homework, but I'll do it. I know, the whole integration piece.

Teri:  The integration piece is really important. It's got to be integrated more than just once.

Ben:  I'm joking. I don't hate homework. I think integration is more important than the experience itself when it comes to something like plant medicine, for example.

Teri:  Exactly. So, the integration is really key. And so, the integration, just like with my clients, it's very bioindividualized. So, people ask me, what's going to be my integration? Well, it depends on how you're going to integrate best. And, for you, visualization because you're very visual. Also, the practice of movement and how you move through, because what are we trying to have you experience flow. And, it's not just tai chi flow. It's how we flow, how we move particle to wave.

Ben:  So, I'm holding on to stuff and creating writing that isn't as meaningful as my writing actually could be.

Teri:  There you go.

Ben:  When I write a New York Times bestseller, I'm going to totally give you credit for opening up my writing portals. Because I'll be honest with you. This would be interesting for folks to hear. In the past, I've found that my best writing comes if I'm really truly dissolved in a plant medicine state. And, I have to use a digital recorder because you can't write when you're on five grams of psilocybin or whatever. But, streams open. And, half the articles I write, I get ideas from during something like plant medicine. I'll do that on a quarterly basis and come out of that with 20 different articles journaled out with ideas for them. But, of late, and I was sharing this with you last night, I haven't really been called to doing that type of journeying. You've shared with me, you've never done plant medicine.

Teri:  I have never done plant medicine.

Ben:  But, you get these downloads all the time. And, now, I'm getting up in the morning and I spend 30 to 60 minutes every morning now, just walking and talking with God, and opening myself up to what God would have to say to me. And, I'm getting downloads every day now that I thought before I had to basically, this is going to sound bad, like take drugs to get. Does that make sense?

Teri:  Absolutely. And, I believe that plant medicine has a really big space in our world. I also believe it's a bridge, but it's not the ultimate bridge because ultimately, what I do with my clients that I work in this space is I teach them to go direct. So, we can go direct in real-time, capture those fruits of that wisdom, just like Mozart did. And so, it is teachable. I work with some really, really interesting influential individuals, which I can't name. But, the way that I see the beauty of their evolution, it just brings me to tears because their impact is so big.

Ben:  Wow. So, tonight, we're going to do that. And, what I want to do is I want to make sure people have some resources and some direction here. So, I'll put all this at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/Tery, T-E-R-Y. And, I'll link to the previous podcast that we did. But, basically, for a practitioner, can you send me a website that I could link to there where they could go and learn more about how to learn the Cochrane Method?

Teri:  Yes.

Ben:  And then, for the people listening in, who maybe, they want to do the Skype thing with you, or they want to do the muscle-testing or whatever, you have a link people could go to, to be able to do that?

Teri:  Yes. So, for the practitioners, I have launched a second company called the Global Sustainable Health Institute. That is bringing the Cochrane Method to scale. We're still in beta testing. Be patient with us. I have a list of doctors that are shadowing us for the next six months. And, they're part of our beta. But, we're very honored to have them see the work. For individual consults at the biochemical level, that is TeriCochrane.com. I sell for my naturopath. Also, be patient with us. We have a multiple-month waiting list. But, you can see Dr. Carla sooner. And, for this very special work, it is very highly, highly–It's by invitation only. I have a very small cadre because the work is very–

Ben:  The very special work meaning?

Teri:  This work in the quantum.

Ben:  So, like the stuff we were doing last night.

Teri:  The stuff we're doing last night.

Ben:  Which is crazy far out. Well, we have a lot of people listening in who like to get into the crazy far-out stuff, who also like to, I guess, I don't know any other way to say this, spend money on the crazy part of stuff. So, I'm sure some people will be reaching out.

But, for any of you, if you have questions, because I realized we got into some of the woo and also some of the provable scientific nutrigenomics type of stuff. But, I know you guys probably have questions. So, go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com/Teri, T-E-R-I. And, you can jump in with your comments and your questions and your feedback there. And then, what I'll also do is link to “The Wildatarian” book and the whole diet podcast Teri and I did, if you just want to geek out more on her nutrition philosophy, as she's also, I incorporate some of her stuff in my cookbook, in the new “Boundless Cookbook.”

Teri:  It's awesome.

Ben:  Shameless plug. You got a copy, right?

Teri:  I did, sure did.

Ben:  Because, you're in it. And so, Teri's just wonderful. And, again, for me, and don't be offended, Teri, if I would have just run into you in an airport and you told me what you did, I would be like, “Huh? Okay, woo radar.” But then, when I've got a bunch of doctors who are steeped in science sending me research studies every day, and they're like, “By the way, I worked with this amazing lady, Teri, and she totally changed my supplementation program, my life, my impact, my purpose. My ears perk up.” So, I just want everybody to know, Teri comes highly recommended. I've vetted her. And, she's legit. Even though some of this stuff sounds woo, I would challenge you to proceed with an open mind, because heck, when I was shining laser lights on my balls seven years ago before everybody thought it was cool, that was also woo. But, now, people are realizing there might be something to that. So, anyways, though, Teri, you're even more impactful than shining infrared light on testicles. So, thank you for who you are.

Teri:  Thank you so much.

Ben:  Thank you for what you do. And, I hope you're ready for an amazing day today.

Teri:  Let's do it.

Ben:  Because I'm probably going to throw you in a cold pool and feed you fish.

Teri:  Oh, boy, here we go. Thank you.

Ben:  Alright, you guys. Thanks for listening in. Check out BenGreenfieldFitness.com/T-E-R-I. And, I'll catch you on the flip side.

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If you've been following me for any period of time, then you probably have heard me mention the fascinating Teri Cochrane.

She not only joined me in the podcast “The Wildatarian Diet: Living As Nature Intended: A Customized Nutritional Approach for Optimal Health, Energy and Vitality.“, but also is featured in my new Boundless Cookbook and wrote an indispensable guide for anyone who wants to eat on the wild side entitled The Wildatarian Diet: Living As Nature Intended: A Customized Nutritional Approach for Optimal Health, Energy and Vitality.

Teri Cochrane is an integrative practitioner and thought leader in personalized health care, designer of The Cochrane Method, creator of Teri Cochrane Brand Supplements (code BEN30 for 30% off), and her one-on-one work in so-called “energy medicine” has been so highly recommended to me by so many in the health industry who I know and trust that I just had to have her out to my home in Spokane to experience what she does one-on-one. Teri Cochrane specializes in complex health conditions in her private clinical practice. She has also developed her own methodology that integrates a multi-level nutritional approach—including biochemistry, nutrition, genetic tendencies, herbology, and counseling—to develop what she calls a “bio-individualized plan” for her clients.

But Teri's work goes far, far beyond mere nutritional programming, and in this podcast, we take a deep dive into some pretty crazy modalities and concepts that I think are going to blow your mind.

During our discussion, you'll discover:

-The work Teri Cochrane did on Ben the night prior to recording the podcast…10:15

-What to expect after undergoing a genetic analysis and working with someone like Teri…19:13

-How Teri Cochrane became immersed in the fields of energy and intuition…25:15

  • Began as a risk manager in the financial field
  • Birthed a child who was given little hope of a normal life by conventional medicine
  • Parents gave her a solution-seeking mindset, which she instilled in her son
  • The research led her to conclude the food she had fed him was poisoning her son
  • Felt called by God to quit her financial job and focus on health
  • Books by Jeff Bland and Joe Pizzorno
  • The Cochrane Method
  • Teri Cochrane Brand Supplements (code BEN30 for 30% off)

-How to pierce the veil of time and tap into the universal fruit of wisdom…34:35

-How Teri Cochrane is different from the garden variety fortune teller at the county fair…38:15

-Teri's process for bringing healing after discerning blocks to a person's healing…51:05

  • A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
  • An 11-year old girl was having recurring nightmares about a traumatic event
  • Rewrote the story to make the perpetrator a protector
  • Ironclad evidence that her personal history had changed
  • Becoming Supernatural by Joe Dispenza
  • Is it changing history or one's perception of their history?
  • OXTR gene makes a person highly empathic

-How Teri is able to scale her work worldwide…59:30

  • R3 program: Repattern, Restore, Reclaim
  • The most scalable element of Teri's work is bio-individualized precision wellness (The Cochrane Method)
  • Doctors have shadowed Teri to see the effects of the work
  • Muscle testing by proxy
  • BodyBio
  • Phenomena by Annie Jacobson

-Why Teri is obsessed with wild meat, plants, etc…1:05:45

  • Amyloid is a truncated protein structure measured by light chains
  • Food supply is making amyloids part of the standard diet
  • Chicken has been linked to E. coli
  • Know your gene structure before partaking in certain foods like turmeric
  • Vegan wildatarian diet:
    • Pinto beans
    • Brown rice
    • Root veggies
    • Plantains
    • Broths from wild meat
  • DNA transfers in livestock

-Teri's gold-standard wildatarian diet…1:11:21

  • We eat to our genetic blueprint in our current state of health
  • Low-sulfur, low-oxalate
  • Leftovers increase the histamine burden, depends on the food
  • Teri's supplement Stress Mover – “God pill”
    • Has taurine
    • Helps blunt the HPA axis
    • A precursor to dopamine
    • Helps with bile synthesis
  • Thorne SF722
  • Epinephrine is the “dirty cupcake”; secreted by the adrenals when stressed
  • Methyl Genetics software
  • The Cochrane touch

-How to know if it's a past life, or something epigenetic from a past ancestor…1:20:45

-And much more!

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