August 8, 2016
Steroids are bad news bears.
I'm sorry to burst the bubble of meatheads and Russian athletes everywhere, but they just are.
Steroids have been proven time and time again to cause a dizzying number of adverse effects, including:
-increased risk of liver damage and liver tumors…
-increased risk of tendon tears…
-psychological problems and anger issues..
-significant blood pressure increases…
Oh yes, and athletes with underlying cardiovascular abnormalities or large amounts of fight-and-flight, sympathetic nervous system stress can experience cardiovascular complications and sudden death when using anabolic steroids. There's that too.
Now I'll readily admit: if you’re trying to build muscle, fix an injury fast, recover from a workout with lightning speed or get big breakthroughs in athletic performance variables like strength or power, it’s pretty darn tempting to consider steroid use. Just ask Maria Sharapova, Tyson Gay, Lance Armstrong, Ben Johnson, Floyd Landis, Mark McGwire, Marion Jones, pretty much anybody who sprinted for Jamaica or lifted for Russia, and of course, Sylvester Stallone and Hulk Hogan (I'll admit, I'm very glad those last two guys used steroids as it made for great childhood entertainment for me).
So why are steroids so tempting for both endurance and power athletes, anti-aging enthusiasts, weekend warriors with nagging injuries that won't go away and beyond?
Anabolic-androgen steroids can increase muscle mass and strength, and they can do it very effectively and quickly – it's been proven time and time again. For example, the primary anabolic steroid hormone produced by your body is testosterone. Testosterone promotes anabolic effects that cause injury healing, muscle building, faster recovery, and (of course) the complete loss of the ability to make your own testosterone along with shrunken balls and anger issues in males and deep voices and facial hair in females.
Nonetheless, synthetic forms of testosterone are taken by athletes, anti-aging enthusiasts and exercisers all over the globe. But you should know that steroid use will slowly kill your biology, and it’s just not worth the temporary improvement of muscle growth and athletic performance if you’re in a coffin or feel like crap or break the law of any sport for which you might be competing…
Like most of these folks who use steroids, I certainly desire to improve my own recovery, drive, endurance and strength, and I also desire all the anti-aging effects of muscle as I grow older, but I'm not willing to risk the huge number of adverse health effects associated with steroids. So recently, I began looking for a safe and natural alternative to steroids for myself and for my clients, since I know there is only so much we can do, so much we can lift, so much we can supplement, and so much of our diets we can change to reach our optimal human performance.
And that's when I stumbled across SARMS. I briefly touched on SARMS in podcast #357 when I took a deep dive into maintaining muscle during long endurance events or during calorie restriction, and in this article you're going to discover what SARMS are, how SARMS work, why they're a safe and effective alternative to steroids, and how to use SARMS for everything from drive enhancement to faster recovery to muscle building to anti-aging, without spending a fortune.
Disclaimer: just like the TB-500 I wrote about a couple weeks ago, and to my dismay upon researching this article and realizing that I can't use these myself because I'm still competing, SARMS are absolutely, 100% banned by WADA and most other global sporting organization both in-competition and out-of-competition. You should NOT use this if you are competing in any such sanctioned sport as it definitely falls under the banned category of a prohibited class of anabolic agents. If you're still competing and want something legal, use BPC-157 peptides instead.
What are SARMs?
Let’s get to the big question first: What the heck are SARMs?
SARMs – or Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators – are therapeutic compounds, according to the USADA, that mimic anabolic agents. The USADA points out that the difference between the two is that SARMs have fewer androgenic properties, which permits SARMs to target tissues much more directly and reduce the host of known negative side effects experienced with steroids. Quite simply, SARMS provide the benefit of steroids without the dangerous and annoying mental and physical reactions to steroids.
Now SARMS do indeed contain androgens, which are a special kind of hormone that connect to cellular androgen receptors. The androgen receptor then creates a signal that leads to a magnified expression of particular genes, such as muscle growth genes. The fact that SARMS are a selective receptor modulator means that they both block or activate hormone receptors in different conditions, meaning they have the ability to replicate the effects of hormones in one tissue and at the same time reduce the adverse effects of synthetic steroids or hormones in other tissues.
I'm not going to geek out on the nitty-gritty science too much in this article as there is a vast wealth of information on how SARMS work on the Wiki page for SARMS, but in a nutshell (from Wiki):
“…They are intended to have the same kind of effects as androgenic drugs like anabolic steroids but be much more selective in their action, allowing them to be used for many more clinical indications than the relatively limited legitimate uses that anabolic steroids are currently approved for.
…SARMs provide the opportunity to design molecules that can be delivered orally, but that selectively target the androgen receptors in different tissues differently. The goal of research in this area is to allow a customized response: Tissues that are the target of the therapy will respond as they would to testosterone; other tissues where undesirable side-effects are produced will not.
None of the SARMs yet developed are truly selective for anabolic effects in muscle or bone tissues without producing any androgenic effects in tissues such as the prostate gland, however several non-steroidal androgens show a ratio of anabolic to androgenic effects of greater than 3:1 and up to as much as 10:1, compared to testosterone, which has a ratio of 1:1.”
Yes, you read that right…SARMS produce anabolic to androgenic effects of up to 10:1 compared to testosterone. So what's that mean exactly?
It means SARMS differ from Testosterone Cypionate products for many reasons – reasons that benefit you and your body benefit quite directly, but ultimately make them far more efficacious than testosterone, without the side effects. Testosterone Cypionate is probably a steroid you are familiar with. Testosterone Cypionate is an injection that many athletes and bodybuilders and folks pursuing anti-aging use quite frequently, and it is typically injected into the muscle for increased recovery or mass or strength.
But Testosterone Cypionate is one of the more common steroids that you probably associate with the bad side effects of steroids. Since it is an exogenous hormone getting injected intramuscularly into your body, it can alter your body’s hormonal balance and natural hormone production, and I delve into why exactly that is in this short podcast about increasing testosterone. Testosterone Cypionate has been linked to prolonged erections (which sound good in theory) but it can have a real effect on all other aspects of your daily life, including drive fluctuations, gastrointestinal disturbances, stroke, blood clots and more, and this could be why it is a Schedule III controlled substance under the Anabolic Steroids Control Act.
In contrast, SARMs do not come with these same risks or hormone imbalances. They are a more targeted treatment without the side effects (but with more benefits), they can be more powerful than traditional Testosterone Cypionate injections, they don’t have to be injected into your right butt cheek, thank you very much, and they can be taken orally from a little dropper, eliminating the risks associated with increased levels of testosterone or other exogenous hormones and steroids or steroidal precursors in your blood.
In fact, the use of SARMs has been growing exponentially because they produce the desired use and effectiveness of traditional steroids without the side effects. Take this recent article on steroids reducing the rate at which telomeres shorten, for example: “Scientists think they've found a hormone that reverses cell ageing in humans“. In the article, the steroid danazol is discussed – a steroid wrought with all the same side effects as typical steroids. But if you take a look at SARMs, like the studies here and here show, you can get a similar anti-aging effect on telomeres without the deleterious steroidal side effects.
Oh yeah, and SARMs are legal for anybody except athletes competing in sanctioned sports, unlike, any other controlled substance – so you won't get arrested crossing international borders like good ol' Rocky Balboa.
And then of course, there are all the anecdotes from the broscience forums by bodybuilders and fitness pros, who, frankly, have a host of N=1 experience with SARMs that can't be ignored, including:
- SARMs produce the same effects as testosterone injections without the estrogen conversion, man boobs and other side effects.
- Users have reported quicker recovery from injuries, increased stamina, healthier and fluid joint mobility, all without causing damage to the liver and other organs.
- Many users of SARMs will “stack SARMs” together for a targeted strength and endurance training plan (more on that later).
- No emotional roller coaster, loss of drive, withdrawal symptoms, etc. compared to steroids.
So let's take a look at some of the most popular and effective SARMs, shall we?
GW-501516: The SARMS That Burns Fat and Keeps Muscle
GW-501516, also known as “Cadarine” is touted among SARMs users as the ultimate performance enhancer. The nature of GW-501516 is that it has been linked to reversing metabolic irregularities in obese men who have been diagnosed pre-diabetic metabolic syndrome. That syndrome basically means there is too much glucose in the blood, and GW-501516 may have the potential to reverse this, serving as a potential solution for fat loss and insulin insensitivity.
Sure, we all want fat loss, but GW-501516 achieves this differently than severe calorie restriction or copious amounts of exercise, which can cause muscle loss. It’s a non-catabolic, which means GW-501516 has the potential to burn fat quickly, and it does so without negatively impacting the muscle.
Keep the muscle, burn the fat. Great idea.
GW-501516 may also attract folks who crave higher endurance and improved recovery. GW-501516 provides athlete users with an unsurpassed edge over others (which is – attention athletes who are still competing – one of the reasons why it was banned by the World Doping Association in 2009). GW-501516 has a unique ability to significantly increase VO2 max, or maximal oxygen uptake.
I know what you are thinking if you are a well-versed anabolic geek in a white lab coat: GW-501516 is not exactly a SARM. You are kind of right. It could technically be classified as more of a PPAR agonist – or peroxisome proliferator-receptor agonist – which means it plays a critical role in therapeutic instances to balance energy metabolism and inflammation. But no matter what you “classify” it as (which is a silly rabbit hole in my opinion) the fat loss and muscle preserving effects of GW-501516 are undeniable and have long been studied by the scientific and medical community.
How to Dose GW-501516
There are two things you need to know about the use of GW-501516 to increase muscle strength, endurance, and recovery. Because of its long-lasting benefits and effects, you should “pace” your oral doses (or injections if you decide to go that route, although it's not significantly superior to oral dosing) throughout the day. Typically, most users limit doses to two doses in a 24-hour cycle and an approximate daily dose is 10-20mg (split into two 5-10mg doses). When you add SARMs to your regimen, consider cost and quality. It is possible to have both together. Don’t think you have to spend hundreds of dollars on single vials, because you don’t. You can get GW501516 from SARMS Warehouse for about $55.
The second thing you need to know is that you need to remember GH-501516 is part of a regimen. So, to maximize the benefits of the SARMs you take, you can combine the best ones. And GH-501516 works best when combined with the next SARMs covered here: SR9009.
SR9009: Exercise in a Bottle
SR9009 is a rather new SARM, called a “Stenabolic”, or a Rev-ErbA ligand. If Stenabolic sounds strange to you, it is because it is a chemical we have never seen before, and in its short life of discovery so far, it has already been praised as “exercise in a bottle.” Stenabolics offer users a wealth of physical benefits and users report increased endurance, increased fat loss, and a list of health and wellness benefits.
A study with mice discovered that SR9009 promotes lean muscle mass improvements, while significantly boosting performance. In this study, the researchers discovered that the mice with SR9009 could run as much as 50% faster and for longer periods of time.
SR9009 was developed by Dr. Thomas Burris at Scripps Research Institute. Like GW501516, it has a unique ability to promote weight loss and curb increased glucose levels. The best part about this unique product is that you can experience the benefits of working out without working out. Of course, working out improves the performance of SR9009, and I in no way condone putting dropping a dropperful of some liquid in your mouth each morning so you can skip the gym. But this feature is indeed great for those who can’t work out for medical reasons, people who are stuck at desk jobs all day, and maybe even the days you yourself are on vacation and don’t make it to the gym as often as you should.
How to Dose SR9009
SR9009 can be taken orally, just like the other SARMs. SR9009 is best when you consume about 30mg to 40mg per day. It is recommended to split the 30mg into 6 single doses, which you can take every two to four hours. And finally, don’t trust labs and suppliers that cannot prove that the SR9009 you need for your workout is not shipped in from overseas, as SARMs can be tainted with plenty of nasty additives, or steroids. Do your research on sourcing before you buy, as this stuff is notoriously tainted.
LGD4033 Treats Muscle Wasting & Enhances Muscle Gain
The third SARM you can take solo or add to an entire regime of SARMs, including the other two SARMs above, is LGD4033. It was developed to treat muscle wasting often associated with cancer, as well as age-related muscle-loss. It’s said to be similar to testosterone with the therapeutic benefits, but safer to use than testosterone. Several research trials show that use of LGD4033 increases lean body mass while decreasing body fat. It has the potential to offer healing, increase strength, and it is one of the better known SARMs for increasing drive, erections and sex drive.
How to Dose LDG4033
The recommended dosing range for LGD4033 is between 5mg and 10mg. Most users recommend starting at 5mg per day and increased dose 2mg every week to two weeks, and to cycle on for four weeks, then cycle off for two to four weeks. LGD4033 has a half-life of 24-36 hours, so you'll maintain stable blood levels throughout the cycle no matter what time of day you take it.
SARMs are not steroids.
Steroids have their benefits, yes, but the fall can be brutal on your psychological and physical health. Steroids have been linked to enhanced performance and providing athletes with a competitive edge but there are just a few major things wrong with them: they are banned, they have huge negative side effects, and in many cases, the damage caused by steroids are irreversible, including:
- Increased irritability and emotional imbalances
- High toxicity levels, resulting in liver damage and multi-organ failures and damage
- Reduced fertility
- Reverse anorexia
- Increased instances of cardiovascular diseases
- Increased body hair growth, or baldness
- Full body acne
Plus, steroids are illegal, and you are not a criminal…are you?
In contrast, the risks associated with using SARMs are minimal when compared to anabolic steroid use. With proper dosing, these risks can be avoided, too. The side effects reported with excessive SARMs use, overdosing on SARMs, or taking all year long with no breaks (remember, go about 4 weeks on and 2-4 weeks off) include:
- Premature baldness, if you are susceptible to baldness because it’s present on your mother’s side of the family
- Infertility in women
That's why it is important to note that the side effects are often associated with prolong use, often longer than 4 weeks at a time. So regulate your SARMs intake, and stick to the appropriate dosing schedule and SARMs cycle (good recommendations here) to avoid such reactions.
So that's it. Be careful, but if you're not competing in a sanctioned sport (check GlobalDRO.com if you are unsure) SARMs are a safe, potent and effective alternative to ‘roids. Sure, the Russian Olympians and Jamaican Track & Field team can't use either, but if you're a recreational athlete, you want to put on some muscle, you want to burn fat faster, you need to heal up a nagging injury, you want to boost your drive, etc…
…then SARMs are worth a try, and you can simply keep a bottle in your fridge to cycle on and off throughout the year (remember to check out this article on cycling your SARMs properly).
Want to share your own experiences or feedback about GW-501516, SR9009, or LGD4033? Leave a comment below and I'll reply.
351 thoughts on “Why Steroids Will Slowly Kill You & 3 Safe Alternatives for Muscle Building, Speedy Recovery, Enhanced Drive and Beyond.”
The “good recommendations” link goes to a now suspended page. Is there a new link for that?
Also how long would this stack take to work?
As its oral, it doesn’t stress the liver?
“Dr.” Ben. You’re an idiot.
If steroids “slowly kill you”, there would be dead bodies littered all over the landscape. Why do you choose to fearmonger?
1. Increase in liver enzymes – – not a problem with injectables and reasonable dosing
2. Anger issues – – sometimes with Tren. Easily controlled. Insignificant with Test and others.
3. Torn tendons – – huh? Not everyone is a powerlifter or a football player. TRAIN SAFELY.
4. Significant increase in BP – – sometimes. Monitor and control you BP. Keep up with cardio.
That’s your freaking “dizzying number of adverse effects”???? Moron.
I hope people aren’t stupid enough to believe you without doing their own homework and research. EVERY ONE of these “dizzying” effects can be mitigated with monitoring and dose adjustment, as necessary.
Sounds like you have roid rage pony.
How can a health coach recommend SARMS in the US without risking anything legally?
Hey there Ben,
of all the SARMS available, what is the best option for injury repair in your opinion? Supraspinatus intrasubstance tear, about 2cm tear. Have followed a rehab protocol for about 9 months, recently did a cycle of BPC157 and TB500 with no improvement. Have done pre and post ultrasound imaging on myself and no evidence of improvement. Nor have pain levels decreased or function improved. Have been using everything from laser, to infrared etc etc etc. Stem cells/exosomes are illegal and not available in my part of the world. I will be doing some PRP on myself this week. But was hoping to order and test SARMS as well.
Very late reply, but one could research with Ostarine. My test subject had a noticeable increase in joint stability from an old ligament injury that was surgically repaired but with subsequent dislocations since. Combined with physical therapy of course.
Very useful information. Really thanks to you for giving me such a piece of information among us. SARMs products are helping to increase body muscles without any side effects. I’m using it for 1 year. Buy sarms online at helixxonline.com where you can easily buy at a reasonable price.
While I appreciate the research you’ve done and effort you have put in to educate people about biohacking, longevity and ancestral living, I completely disagree with this article. It has a lot of false claims and dangerous advice.
As a person who have used SARMs (LGD4033, GW501516, RAD140) I can safely say that they indeed work. However, it is false to claim that these are safe chemicals and legal. SARMs are RESEARCH CHEMICALS AND NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. Also, SARMs DO have side effects and greatly suppress your body’s natural testosterone production EVEN IF YOU RUN A PERFECTLY DOSED CYCLE. A 10mg of LGD4033 cycled for 6 weeks reduced my natural test levels from 800 to <200. Luckily I was prepared for the post cycle therapy. While most users do not need to do HCG after cycling SARMs (But could even be necessary) everyone should run a Post Cycle Therapy with either Nolvadex or Clomid as well as an OTS test booster. Moreover, these chemicals ARE LIVER TOXIC and should not be abused. This is why you need liver defense supplements like TUDCA, Milk Thistle, Grape Seed Extract, NAC to help the liver recover the damage. Finally, while GW501516 is not suppressive, it has been linked to cancer and is not safe to consume for long periods of time.
This said, please do not push innocent people into trying these chemicals. They are still being researched and abusing them or not knowing how to use them properly could seriously damage the health.
GW501516 what is considered a long time? I cycle 8 weeks on 4 weeks off during off weeks I use cordycepts. I’m interested in hearing your response. The study regarding cancer was done in rodents given 20x the damage with no cycles for a year I believe, hard to translate that to humans especially even given the fact aspartame causes cancer as well apparently.
“Firstly, it has no oral bioavailability. I know the company selling this is indicating taking it orally is ok – but it doesn’t even get into the blood. At this point that is probably not a bad thing” LOL
Professor Thomas Burris
Andarine and ostarine have some evidence that they can slow down hair loss as apposed to causing it, were you referring to other sarms that can cause hair loss and which ones are they
Have anyone buy steroid powder from http://www.getraws.com/? Or I should use less harmful Sarms?
Your link to Sarmswarehouse is suspended. My question is why is that so? Is there a reputable alternative you could recommend? Thanks for being a certified Badass Ben!
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Hey, thanks for all the info. This thread has been a lot of help. I’m just wondering if anyone has had any experience with Ostarine and if so, is it a good idea to do a PCT coming off after 4-5 weeks? Thanks Again
Unless your dosage is high, you shouldn’t need a PCT after such a short cycle. It’s only when you get to the 10 to 12 week point when most people would consider a PCT. Ostarine suppression at normal doses is fairly light and you’ll bounce back just fine taking a week off if your cycle is 4-5 weeks. I would personally switch compounds after that week off, if I am looking to come on again. Likely LGD 4033 or RAD depending on my goals. And I’d consider getting my hands on HCG for PCT. Sarms in general, and specifically Ostarine do not aromatize into estrogen. But this will jump start/cancel any suppression you may have experience. I wouldn’t necessarily use it on a 5 week cycle (on a normal dosage level), but if it’s a high dosage or a long cycle, I would definitely use some HCG.
This post was really informative.thank you for sharing this information.
Hey! Do you still recommand SARMs Warehouse as a good Cardarine source ? Haven’t found any reviews about their products on the internet, so I was wondering if you’ve tested their cardarine and if you still recommend it today 🙂 👟🚲🥇
Waoh!! You just solve the problems of millions of workout freaks across the world. SARM are really recommended and applicable for any kind of body transformation programme. Although the users have their choice between steroids and SARMs. Thanks for sharing, really helpful.
Well I found this to be quite intriguing. I would definitely recommend it to my fellow colleagues.
Source: <a href"http://onlinesteroidsuk.com/" Online Steroids UK
I Crossfit and was interested in trying Cardarine. Have you used the source
peptidewharehouse or know if there product is legitimate and dosed correctly. The source forums have really mixed reviews.
Thanks for all the info you put out in your podcast and website.
Wondering about conversion of fast twitch muscle fibers to slow twitch associated with Cardarine
First thank you for the research work. On the other end though.
I didn’t really
Like the fact that you bash steroids so easily. Saying all the bad side effects they cause without relating it to dosages. Of course they will cause multiple bad things in high dosages, so are the products you promote.. nothing is safe when abused.. I would also like to point out that testosterone as been out for almost a hundred years now and with anti aging gaining popularity, there is more and more research done about it. Tell me how 200mg of testosterone cypionate a week for An older male. 40-50 yrs old would have any negative effects? Not much natural testosterone production going on anymore at that point..Or short 8-10 weeks cycles with proper doctor follow up? Compared to New and upcoming products without any human trials or research. BTW, steroids are legal in most countries, because Americans made them illegal, doesn’t mean it’s bad…do your research people and you will find out that steroids used to be legal in the USA, not that long ago, until one kid used them to try and be better at baseball… guess what, doesn’t mean using steroids will give you any talents… after committing suicide due to his parents pressuring him. They were made illegal. In Canada for example, possession or purchase of steroid isn’t a punishable crime… oh and it’s legal just south of the border in Mexico.. I don’t promote use of anything but would really like articles like this one to be non bias. Because after reading it. I get the feelin you are pushing certain companie’s Products. I hope I’m wrong just the impression I get
Hormones are always dangerous. Always. Not matter the dose. So use cautiously. The body works by feedback inhibitory pathways. When we take meds that get involved in these pathways there is risk we can permanently disturb them. Any medicine is good when done properly for the right reasons. We all shall perish, hopefully not because of medications we took to heal.
I was on a fairly low dose supplementation of testosterone cypionate at 100mg week injection along with HCG and an AI. My T was about 350. It made me feel depressed and moody. In addition I had easy conversion and it made me get sore tits and even gain a little gyno. I wasn’t taking to try to bulk up as I’m already fairly active and fit. I was doing it to see if it would help keep me in a good lean and more youthful energetic state. I personally noticed the opposite results and therefore I quit T cyp injections.
I later found my natural DHEA levels were very low. I started taking 25mg of Pregnenelone daily. It is a building block for all other hormones. (and cheap) I use Douglas Laboratories and it’s $23 for 60 tabs. I also decided to quit drinking alcohol entirely. Been over 2 months now. I am now at 528 total testosterone at 50. Free T and Estrodial are in good numbers and my DHEA is as well. I think looking for natural SARMS or any other natural way of increasing and improving chemistry is hands down better. Not that T injections haven’t improved peoples lives…we are all our own chemistry projects and individual. However, I think there is a far better chance of bad side affects.
I agree 100% to what you say!
Well said. It is a bias report & a product of juice promotion. Happens all over the internet.
Yes & Steriods are cool as long as taken correctly & blood works done at least 2x a year.
I am 68 & check all my organs (heart, liver, kidneys, prostrate, blood pressure, cholesterol etc) out on a regular basis. And all fine. I take Test E 1ml 2x per week. Also occasionally take Decca 100 1ml 2x a week (for a 4-8week cycle).
Test E I do a 12 week on 4 week off cycle.
Yes & I take plenty of liver, kidney & prostate supplement support . One just has to be clever about what you do & not go with the hype out there.
As I said I am 68 & feel & look better than 89% of the guys in my gym. And medically according to my doc I am pretty good .
I am on a mild blood pressure tab. That is to control my left ventricle which over developed when I was younger due to cycling!
Yip so please don’t knock steriods like you do.
Abuse sure is bad but as was said so is SARMS!
I’m interested in doing a cycle of SARMs.
Are SARMSWarehouse Sarms injectable or to be take orally?
I have already used the LGD 4043 stacked with MK-2866 and I have seen great results in strength and lean muscle mass, but I have not seen much in the way of body fat reduction. With the current stack I am using would you recommend adding GW501516 or SR9009 to boost fat loss. I might add that I am currently following a ketogenic diet, and I do have a mix of cardio, HIIT and moderate body/weight training in my schedule each week. Thanks for all the information you share and the work you do!
Question.. SARMS or Peptides?
You probably don’t read questions left in this thread but I’m going to take a shot. I’m a guy that goes to the gym most days of the week to lose weight – stuff like lifting and cardio. Should I be considering this stuff? I know there are health risks with lots of stuff .Having said that, I have read these substances can cause some really nasty health issues like cancer. Your thoughts. Thanks! dave
I am a girl, I don’t workout as I have a very very busy life ( I know it might sound like an excuse to many of you here) I bought the SR9009 DMSO because I heard that its good for weight loss.
I wasn’t giving a lot of information – I’m hoping you guys can help me understand the product more.
I was told to put the liquid on my skin ( apparently it absorbs 90% via the skin) , inside of my tights and inside of my arms ( where the skin is thin) 2-3 times a day for a max of 0.5ml.
They also told me to stop using it after 5h00pm ( not sure why – maybe it causes insomnia? ) .
All that to say that this bottle costed me 130$- I’ve been using it for 3 days – didn’t see any changes at all .
Can anyone tell me what am I supposed to except … how much weight I’m supposed to lose/in how long?
am I doing this right?
I can use all help and information!
none at all. sr9009 has to be injected. goodluck finding sterile injectable. also it wont do anything if you dont work out. its not magic. the only magic fatloss pill is also the most deadly.
That’s absurd, it doesn’t need to be injected but it needs to be dosed 4-5x per day to be effective. The main benefit of SR9009 is the obscene endurance it provides which allows you to work out harder and burn more calories. It does have a fat loss benefit but 3 days isn’t going to provide results. 2-3 weeks of consistent use and you should see some fat loss and experience a tremendous increase in endurance. Also you paid way too much. Don’t get ripped off. A 30 day supply should not cost more than $40.
The article said to take that orally not put it on your skin. He said put a few drops on your tongue.
Anabolic steroids or the legal steroids are also quite effective towards the treatment of medical conditions like delayed puberty. Anabolic steroids These are basically the synthetic versions of testosterone (testosterone is the most important male hormone). Legal steroids are also known as the anabolic androgenic steroids.
The conclusion of the article Ben links to to “prove” that steroids are dangerous says:
“When examining the potential medical issues associated with anabolic steroid use, evidence indicates that most known side effects are transient. More so, few studies have been able to directly link anabolic steroids to many of the serious adverse effects listed. Although clinical case studies continue to link anabolic steroid administration with myocardial infarct, suicide, and cancer, the evidence to support a cause and effect relationship is lacking and it may be other contributing factors (i.e. genetic predisposition, diet, etc.) play a substantial role and potentiate the harmful effects from anabolic steroids.”
Hey Ben, couple quick questions.
Do you recommend taking any other supplements while on a sarms stack?
Plan on taking MK-677 RAD 140 and LGD.
Also, does Clomid interact negatively/positively with sarms cycle? Not asking for personal advice just purely hypothetical. Hypothetically if clomid was already being taken would it be better to stop it while doing sarms and start again pct?
I wouldn't personally take Clomid at same time, but that's just my advice based on not wanting to throw in variables I don't think you'd need. I'd save it for PCT.
Ben, is there any benefit/drawback to putting the liquid in gel caps and swallowing or should it just be taken directly in the mouth?
Never done that. But I suppose you could. I don't see why not!
Anabolics have shown to suppress the immune system. SARMS, being anabolic, will they suppress or lower the immune system while using them?
Thanks for your response in advance!
Can anyone answer this or have an idea where I can find out if anabolic SARMS such as LGD would be suppressive to the immune system?
There is no evidence I have seen that these will suppress the immune system. I am not a doctor and this is not to be taken, interpreted or construed as medical advice. Please talk with a licensed medical professional about this. These are just my own personal thoughts and not a prescription or a diagnosis or any form of health care whatsoever.
Ben, I used Peptide Warehouse’s LGD last January to February using 5mg up to 10mg that lasted 6 weeks. I can’t remember what I used as a PCT, it was just recommended to me at a supplement store; however, I completed it fully. I felt fine for months after doing this up until a few months ago I had realized that I had a few symptoms of low testosterone or potentially hormonal imbalance.. mood, memory, low energy etc. Also, I have had issues with soft erections, seemingly shrunken testicles, and lower semen production. I decided to get blood work done and this was the outcome:
Free Test- 2.411 on a 1.47-3.2 scale
I am 23 and my physician said although these numbers are on the low side he didn’t think I should be too worried and my symptoms could be more mental. He also didn’t think the cause of my symptoms were necessarily correlated to the SARM use.
I was curious what your thoughts are on blood work numbers, whether you think it is related to the use of SARMS, and if there is anything I can do naturally to help my symptoms and raise these numbers and get my physical issues back to normal as well.
I played sports in college and pride myself on being healthy so these numbers and symptoms have been very alarming. Thank you.
Do you have a level of homeostasis (blood work) as a reference point? It is hard to do anything but surmise beyond that. All numbers look normal and testosterone is on the lower end but not abnormal for someone even in their 20’s. 6 weeks isn’t a long enough period to cause partial shut-down or any major hypertrophy.
Perhaps trying another post-cycle product that will attempt to kick start your HPTA feedback loop in your body will do you justice. Here is an all-inclusive product you can find related to one of my other articles..
Unfortunately I didn’t do any blood work before. I guess I’m also concerned at the possibility that the “LGD” could have been something else like a prohormone, but the odd thing is I didn’t feel any symptoms during the time I was using it. Thanks for your response, do you think there are any other tests that may make sense of the diminished drive and lack of blood flow (especially when flaccid)?
Man I have the exact same thing. I took actual testosterone, but I came off properly with PCT and have a pretty good handle with handling the drugs. SARMS can shut you down too from what I am seeing (just like Test). My body feels pretty much back to normal, but the blood flow down below is pathetic.
Thanks for the response, unfortunately I didn’t get any blood work done before the LGD cycle. I am worried because on a number of different blogs people have mentioned some reciprocating symptoms such as low drive, lack of energy, etc. and the potential that what is in the bottle could actually be pro hormones. The most alarming change in physiology I’ve noticed is a lack of blood flow to the penis at a flaccid state and that I have lost a lot of muscle mass beyond what I put on.
Thank you for article
I was wondering if they has been any findings relating SR9009 to cancer , im using a company called DNA Anabolic
Thanks very much for your time
Hi Steve, none that I am aware of. I am not a doctor and this is not to be taken, interpreted or construed as medical advice. Please talk with a licensed medical professional about this. These are just my own personal thoughts and not a prescription or a diagnosis or any form of health care whatsoever.
Will Sarms Warehouse ship into Illinois? There is no Illinois in the drop down menu for the state field when I try to check out.
I have the same question!
SARMS Warehouse also doesn’t ship to Illinois…. I emailed them to see what’s up with that
Can you give it another go… They had some delays. Let me know the status.
I had a friend of mine that lives across the border in Iowa place an order for me. We’ll see what happens. Have you, Ben, personally ordered anything from this company? I hope they aren’t taking my money and running
I don’t use SARMS. I’m not allowed to!
I vetted the source that I recommend in the article and can vouch for their quality and efficacy, although I don’t personally use SARMS as they are banned by WADA and USADA.
Duh… I should have known. Pardon me for asking! I wouldn’t blame them if they didn’t want to ship anything into Illinois. Our state is a disaster. I cancelled my order for now. As much as I would like to experiment with it, I feel as a running coach I would be doing myself and my clients a disservice for using it.. Especially leading up to a race.
I’ve been lifting for 15 years and am in great health, but would like a little more muscle mass if possible. If I tried SARMs and saw a gain, could I then never take SARMs again and keep the gain (assuming I continue clean diet and lifting regimen)? Thanks Ben
Yep, you can totally do that but you'd need to be sure to maintain heavy lifting and adequate calorie intake…
I did some reading on SR-9009 and was quite concerned when I found a few studies pointing towards SR-9009 and REV-ERB alike, repress and suppresses orexinergic gene expression in mice with long term multi-dosing daily. I understand cycling these but from the looks of the studies it seems multi-dosing daily will cause permanent alterations in gene expression.
I understand SR-9009 is research chemical but I hope that you could shed some light on this subject as I would like to try SR-9009 without any health complications.
This information came directly from SARMS Warehouse when I emailed and requested clarification on how to measure out an accurate dose with the SARMS Warehouse provided dropper that comes with, both, LDG4033 & GW-501516
The dropper entirely filled = 1ml
Or…. 36 drops = 1ml
I have one more question in regards to GW501516 that interests me and perhaps many others.
GW501516 or PPARδ antagonists have shown in studies to have protective and healing effects against ulcer formulation. With the controversy surrounding PPARδ antagonists with it’s cancer and tumor promoting effects, do you think people with peptic ulcers would be able to take PPARδ antagonists such as GW50156 without concern of progressing ulcer formation?
I know their are liabilities to your response but based on current understanding of PPARδ antagonists do you think their are concerns?
I would hazard a guess that this could work. But I am not a doctor and this is not to be taken, interpreted or construed as medical advice. Please talk with a licensed medical professional about this. These are just my own personal thoughts and not a prescription or a diagnosis or any form of health care whatsoever.
I’ve read your articles and both threads on GW501516 but I’m still not convinced on the data.
Yourself and Dave Asprey both show benefits of GW501516 but I’m still not convinced that the benefits outweigh the adverse effects. When I do a search in pubmed under “pparδ cancer” numerous studies show that GW501516 promotes Tumorigenesis. From my view point, activating pparδ causing Tumorigenesis, no matter the dosage of GW because the gene is expressed. If you believe Gw50116 is non-toxic, what am I missing here?
Thanks for your response in advance.
If you cycle and use in moderation, I'm not too concerned at all. I am not a doctor and this is not to be taken, interpreted or construed as medical advice. Please talk with a licensed medical professional about this. These are just my own personal thoughts and not a prescription or a diagnosis or any form of health care whatsoever.
Great info and comment discussion. But I see kind of conflicting info about taking the SARMS subQ or orally.
I’m okay to do subQ just not sure it’s okay to do so when they are already in suspension with something else (vs. reconstituted with BAC).
What do you think?
Yeah you can still take orally when they're reconstituted.
Ben so what is the website we should use? You’ve mentioned two in these questions. Sarms Warehouse or Peptide Warehouse? Each sells Sarms which one should consumers use?
Sarms Warehouse for Sarms.
Love your website and info you give :)
What are the dosage your recommend for females?
Exactly what I highlight in the article above is what I recommend for dosages. They're not too much difference between males and females. Please remember I am not a doctor and nothing I say should be taken as medical advice!
A few things:
Firstly Maria Sharapova never got busted for steroids, so probably not good to list her as an example of a steroid taker.
Secondly SARMS are equally harmful, if not MORE harmful than any anabolic androgenic steroid.
Thirdly SARMS have been shown to suppress and alter hormone levels just like steroids.
Fourthly SARMS have much more noticeable side effects than the ones you’ve mentioned. Spend 5 minutes on Google to see what I mean because I can’t be bothered to spell it out for you if you can’t be bothered to do your research.
Lastly, some SARMS can cause cancer. So your logic is to replace the high blood pressure of steroids with cancer.
You’re just a shill for SARMS and I hope nobody buys into your BS.
would SARMS be appropriate for someone with PCOS or post birth control syndrome?
Hey Maddie, I am not a doctor and nothing I say should be taken as medical advice. I do know that because they can assist with fatty acid mobilization they may help you burn more fasting glucose which could potentially be helpful for PCOS.
Hey Ben – thanks for the article. I tried out LGD-4033 and found it increased my bone density significantly, got rid of a nagging injury and make me look great, but didnt pack on significant muscle size. I did 1 month of 5mg per day, one month off, then another month at 5mg per day. Took DEXA before and after and pictures. I wish I would have seen more muscle gain, but overall I’m happy about the results.
Due to illness (and decreased calorie consumption as a result), I have experienced serious muscle wasting and overall weight loss. I am unable to do any exercise other than light walking. I am trying to adjust my eating habits and calorie consumption, but my muscle mass, overall stength, and muscle stamina have severely depleted. I need something that can help.
If I take SR9009 and DON’T do any resistance training/excercise…
1. Will I build muscle and gain weight?
2. Will I gain fat?
3. Will nothing happen?
4. Is there a better or different option you would recommend?
Thanks for all that you do!
Read this: https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2016/07/how-to-m… and then also I'd be happy to help you via a personal one-on-one consult. Just go to https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/coaching. and then choose a 20 or 60 minute consult, whichever you'd prefer. I can schedule ASAP after you get that.
Managed properly Testosterone Replacement Therapy renews lifes, lifts depression, improves just about every aspect of my life. I would not have it any other way! Love my Cypionate!!!
Is Peptides Warehouse still a reputable source? I had bought a bottle from them in September and ran a 4 week cycle per your recommendations, I took the liquid orally. I didn’t notice any difference in gains compared to prior progress.
I’m wondering if this could be because of my administration method? To clear up the administration of the SARMs, do you recommend oral administration or subcutaneous injection? (specifically for 4033 which I am going to run again)
Thanks! Love your work,
Peptides is a reputable source yes, absolutely – and I absolutely recommend SubQ for all SARMS.
If you absolutely recommend SubQ for all SARMs then why in your latest article about SARMs did you write “Ligandrol, or LGD-4033, is a nonsteroidal SARM that is taken orally (this should make all of you needle-shy folks happy).”
I did not see any reference to SubQ administration in the article. I may be misunderstanding and would like to clarify just once more before I inject something that’s made for oral administration!
SUBQ for peptides, hormones, etc. but for these specific SARMS oral.
I am considering using SARMs (4033 in particular) and I was wondering if you had any suggestions as to how I should train differently/same. I am always trying to gain more bulk, being the skinny guy I am.
How are you training now?
I am doing CrossFit in my garage gym 5 days a week which includes 5 x 5 of bench, press, deadlift, back or front squat. Metcons usually between 6 and 12 minutes at 100%. I have tried linear 5×5 programs, Ian King’s “Get Buffed”, and John Bernardi’s “Scrawny to. Brawny” programs over the past 12 years of my training life, without much joy. I am of Thai descent and don’t eat dairy or gluten, all of which work against me!
I have just completed a 8 week cycle of LGD, GW en ostarine at the highest recommended dosage on a 4 week on twee week off cycle.
The SARMS came from peptideswarehouse, which you recommended. During that time I have eaten in surplus calories in clean food and I have followed the 8 weeks of sealfit program by commander Mark Divine which is like a hardcore version of a crossfit program as you know. I am a 33 y old male 200lbs, bodyfat 9 percent and I have been lifting weights since I was 15 years. Never used sarms or steroids!
This is my honest review of the SARMS cycle:
week 1-2= no effect on musclemass, strength or endurance. I did feel side effects like a heatrush, lightheaded, a little sick and the occasional pain in my balls!
week 3-4= gained 2 kg of muscle mass, looked slightly more swole, no gains in recovery or endurance. Little or no side effects, slight increase in drive but erections got weaker.
week 7-10= no side effects but also no more gains, no mass no strength, drive and erections took a dive for the worse but all still worked more than enough :-)
I am now almost 3 weeks off. I still have my gains which are about 5lbs and my drive is getting better but not back at horny donkey level.
conclusion: for me in the end it was not worth my 500 dollars, it promised heaven but it was still a far cry from that. Was this stuff not high standard enough and maybe underdosed or tainted? Am I someone who reacts very poorly on gear. Hell I don’t know. I really hoped that it would blow my mind but it didn’t.
Hope to have informed you all
grts Joeri from Belgium
Man, so, so tough to say without knowing your health history, seeing your bloodwork, knowing your exact diet. etc. To dive into details, I'd be happy to help you via a personal one-on-one consult. Just go to https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/coaching. and then choose a 20 or 60 minute consult, whichever you'd prefer. I can schedule ASAP after you get that.
Do you have any info/advice to offer on MK-2866 (Ostarine)? I’m a 40 year old male, avid CrossFitter and have read that Ostarine greatly benefits this type of workout. I plan to take 20mg/day for 4-6 weeks then cycle off for 2-3 weeks? How does this plan sound? Also, is PCT needed during the off-cycle period?
Any help is greatly appreciated!
Nope, haven't used or studied up on that one yet. I would be happy to research it for you and design a customized stacking plan for it for you. For that, I'd be happy to help you via a personal one-on-one consult. Just go to https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/coaching. and then choose a 20 or 60 minute consult, whichever you'd prefer. I can schedule ASAP after you get that.
Great article and information, been doing my research and am going to give Sarmswarehouse a try.
**Looks like i picked a good day to order as I noticed they are running a new promo. YIPPEE!
Keep up the good work brother and thanks for all the helpful info!
Dave Asprey stated in an article on SARMS that SR9009 only has 2% bioavailability, and this is expelled by the body pretty much immediately – making it virtually useless.
When taken orally.
You do get some bioavailability from oral administration but SR9009 is lower than the other SARMS for that.
So do you recommend to inject SR9009 for better results?
Can we inject SR9009 that is in suspension with Polyethylene glycol ??
Injection is almost always better than oral. I am not a doctor and this is not to be taken, interpreted or construed as medical advice. Please talk with a licensed medical professional about this. These are just my own personal thoughts and not a prescription or a diagnosis or any form of health care whatsoever.
In the article you linked regarding good cycling suggestions, the author recommends these three things in all of the different cycles: D-Spark, HCGenerate, N2Slin. Do you believe all these are helpful, or necessary if taking only LGD-4033 at the doses you recommend?
I can't say that I have ANY experience using those three MYSELF, and not convinced they're necessary at the smaller doses and cycles I've recommended HOWEVER if you wanted to ensure less aromoatase and less of a hit on T levels, they could certainly help. I am not a doctor and this is not to be taken, interpreted or construed as medical advice. Please talk with a licensed medical professional about this. These are just my own personal thoughts and not a prescription or a diagnosis or any form of health care whatsoever.
Are there any SARMS where one could not expect to take a hit in test or need to take something else to upregulate that after the cycle?
Ben, I purchased an 8 week supply of the stack you recommended from SARMs Warehouse and started last week.
I found lots of conflicting info on the internet about SARMs and sources. The guys (Dylan Gemelli) at ISARMS.com claim Peptide Warehouse and SARMs Warehouse are selling fake SARMs, contaminated or laced with bad stuff and that they would be bankrupt selling them for the price they charge.
I trust you more then the others that seem to be pushing their own brand of SARMs and the biggest pusher at ISARMs.com has a lot of people around the internet claiming he is a douchbag! He told me to run a 12 week cycle and that an 8 week cycle was “pointless”, to take all “20mg” of GW 30 minutes before workout or in the morning on non workout days, take LDG “10mg” in the morning and to add aspartic acid to the stack from week 9 thru 12, then use clomid and GW for a 3 week pct.
I know you’ve already said that the SARMs from SARMs Warehouse are a quality and credible source. Can you verify that one more time and maybe expand your thoughts on the advice this guy Dylan Gemelli has told me and countless others?
Go compare SARMSWarehouse to other SARM sources. They would all be bankrupt based on this logic. I googled this other guy's name and found countless forum posts about his "credibility".
I do know that SARMSWarehouse has sold 100's of orders to my readers, and how many complaints have I gotten about the quality? None. They also post lab tests on every page of their site, product HPLC. Those tests are done by an independent lab and are done on every batch produced.
You can also see this about the guy who was saying those things…
15 pages about him. :/ All I know is the products I've used from SARMS work, and show tightly packed powder, clean consistency, all signs of quality product.
I thought there was something fishy going on with that guy, but he scared me with his bad mouthing of SARMs Warehouse. And yes I did receive the test results with each bottle I ordered.
Thanks again for all the great info for health and wellness.
Are there any issues with the different SARMS mixing at all? Using the same dropper for example? Can they cross contaminate, lose effectiveness etc. with this?
You can use the same syringe and they won't lose effectiveness. It's actually very good, time efficient shortcut.
Cheers Ben. Much appreciated.
Just for my clarity please (I know it’s been mentioned previously in this thread).
The only direct link in the original article takes you to ‘SARMS WAREHOUSE’ when clicked.
Yet – most of your references to quality in the thread are directed at ‘PEPTIDES WAREHOUSE’.
Are you aware and confident with the quality of both?
Are there differences? What exactly?
Thanks in advance.
After I publish the article they changed names— all of my links have been updated as well as the wording to reflect the current name.
So SARMS WAREHOUSE is good then?
Ben, I’ve been doing research about sarms and they recommend a PCT? I’m curious about what your thoughts are on that? What exactly to take if need a PCT is needed.
Post Cycle Therapy or PCT is a period of medication treatment that follows the use of anabolic steroids. Post Cycle Therapy is also one of the most confusing topics for many steroid users, because if you're on a steroid precursor and not an actual steroid, it's usually not necessary.
There are many medications that can be theoretically used for PCT but only two that should be primary, Tamoxifen (Nolvadex) and Clomiphene (Clomid). Both Nolvadex and Clomid fall in the class of drugs known as Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators (SERMs). As with all SERMs ‘Nolva’ and Clomid stimulate the release of LH and FSH thereby increasing natural testosterone production. For most PCT plans these will be the only two medications needed.
HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadatropin) is also sometimes used during the PCT phase. When supplementing with testosterone, especially in modern times, many men include low doses of HCG in their steroid cycles, normally 250-350iu a couple times per week. HCG mimics LH and therefore actually keeps the testicles producing testosterone even when anabolic steroids are present. However, it does not induce the production of actual LH. The use of HCG on cycle, this is primarily done so that post cycle recovery is easier (theoretically). HCG is also used on cycle to prevent or at least minimize testicular atrophy that occurs due to the use of anabolic steroids. The testicular atrophy that occurs is not permanent but will reverse once steroid use is discontinued and natural testosterone production begins again.
If HCG is used on cycle there is no need to use it post cycle. However, some men will not use HCG during their cycle for a variety of reasons. Although it is not extremely common, HCG use can increase estradiol levels significantly in some men even with the use of an Aromatase Inhibitor (AI). AI’s are regularly used to combat estrogenic issues during a cycle, but it’s generally best to keep them as minimal as possible. If HCG is not used on cycle it may be the preamble to the PCT plan in some cases. We’ll go over this more later.
AI’s are also sometimes used during PCT because of their ability to stimulate LH and FSH. However, they also lower estrogen levels and often too much during this phase. Part of the PCT plan is to allow the body to normalize and part of that is maintaining normal estrogen levels. Estrogen is not an evil hormone many men, especially steroid users often believe it is. Estrogen is extremely important for muscle building, sexual health, mental health and a host of other areas. Estrogen levels that are too high or too low, both can be very problematic.
I am not a doctor and this is not to be taken, interpreted or construed as medical advice. Please talk with a licensed medical professional about this. These are just my own personal thoughts and not a prescription or a diagnosis or any form of health care whatsoever.
Sadly SARMS are illegal in New Zealand – I must leave some time
I am also in New Zealand. You don’t think it is possible to import them from the company Ben recommends in the States? I want to maybe try that out.
Has anyone in New Zealand had success in importing these?
It would be great to hear from some of the people that have followed through and actually ran a Sarms cycle.
Share your experience, pro or con.
I have been following your blog for sometime now. While your well researched articles and insight have been very helpful, I think you may need some more disclaimers or edits in the above piece.
First, SARMS may have side effects which we do not know of yet. There is a wealth of studies and analysis of the most troubling one GW501516. Yes it was tested on Rats at a extreme dosing protocol, but organ tumors are a pretty heavy “side effect” that should be taken seriously by anyone considering GW. Saying they don’t have any or few risk is something we don’t know yet either. The bodybuilder community is basically an anecdotal study with results we may never know, but that is where we are getting all the info from. I actually read this article after I read the one where you talk about detoxing your life and body. You don’t recommend putting a cellphone to your ear- but what about underground lab experimental drugs? No one regulates this stuff.
Basically Im worried that some of your readers, that may not be as likely to read the studies, are just jumping on theses recommendations from you. And I know you have there best intentions at heart. So maybe just add some disclaimers.
Secondly- While Im not condoning the use of any substance, testosterone may not be as awful as you describe. Since most of your readers are more interested in endurance than getting swole- I think a differentiation of dosing protocols may be useful. Body builders are using between 500-2000 mg per week of T as a “base”. Then they are stacking all kinds of other AAS on top of that, with reckless regard to health. Endurance guys (from the info I have read on cycling doping) are using 100-200mg T per week. Thats a big difference. And since all these are illegal to use in competition, lets be fair about it. For a 50 year old man to have the T levels of a lucky 19 year old on 150mg per week, may be worth the minimal side effects at this dosage. Im sure you have looked into TRT (test replacement therapy), it has changed many peoples lives.
Keep up the good work.
I am 23 years old and recently injured my bicep tendon working out. This has caused shoulder pain in normal day to day activities and has completely stopped weight lifting for me. I am going through physical therapy and it just doesn’t seem like it will work fast enough for me (Maybe I’m Impatient). Do you think any of these could help? If so which ones and how long do you think it would take.
Love your podcast!
Yes Fresco, I would check out this one: https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2016/05/how-to-u… and this one: https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2016/06/how-to-u… and read through all the comments and you will find your answers.
You have links to sarmswarehouse.com in your article, but recommend peptideswarehouse.com in the comments. By the looks of it peptides warehouse is a more mature site and has lots of positive reviews, but SARMS warehouse is newer. My biggest concern is quality of product…are both of these providers equal in quality?
Both are good quality – SARMS warehouse is newer and has more payment options but both are totally fine in terms of quality.
What are your views/opinion on MK-2866?
Similar SARMS to these others that I've mentioned, but esp. good for muscle maintenance
Hey when taking the lgd4033 I just squirted it in my mouth, it started to burn. Anyone have that reaction ? Is that normal ? I quickly swallowed and the area under my tongue felt a little puffy for about 15min. Could it be shot into water and just drank?
I personally would only use subcutaneously for that reason. BPC-157 is fine orally but that's a peptide, not a SARMS.
I am a 40 year old endurance athlete with a tib break and crucial ligament tear. Not getting any younger and training is on hold for 2 months. Looking at these options for recovery and all around male performance issues. Which one do you recommend, how to cycle, which supplements to stack with? Finally, what’s a good source to order in Canada? Thanks!
If you want to go into detail, feel free to book a consult at <a href="https://greenfieldfitnesssystems.com/ben” target=”_blank”>www.greenfieldfitnesssystems.com/ben and choose 20 or 60 minutes and we'll get you scheduled, otherwise everything you need to know is in the article and comments above.
Hi, Ben – great insights! Btw, I tried to order LGD4033 from Peptides Warehouse and found they now only accept Bitcoins, which is a bit of a “red flag” for me. They do not list a phone number (and they haven’t responded to my support request to offer to pay by Visa) – do you have a contact number or know of an alternative vendor that sells LGD4033 and accepts traditional credit cards? Cheers!
From my understanding a lot of “research chemical sellers” are having difficulty with companies like visa and master card, thus bitcoin is an easy workaround.
That's also the feedback we've gotten. Mastercard and Visa won't allow it, so bitcoin only..
They are accepting traditional credit cards now, just FYI!
IS normal for the GW 501516 to have some white stuff in it?
Its supposed to be thick and white.. you can always contact Peptides Warehouse to double check.
I contact them and they yes. It’s the glycerin mixture in it
First of all, thanks for all the great information. My goal is to rapidly increase my endurance, particularly for running fast 5-8k distances. I need to be in top fitness in less than a month, and I have been recovering from an injury for the last two months and have barely begun to run again. I was considering cardarine, but noticed that you mentioned some potent effects of sr9009. I know that they can be stacked together, but is there one that you would recommend as better. I would prefer to just take one. Also, how long would I need to take one of these to see results?
Honestly, I need WAY more info to make specific, custom stack recommendations. If you want to go into detail, book a consult at <a href="https://greenfieldfitnesssystems.com/ben” target=”_blank”>www.greenfieldfitnesssystems.com/ben and choose 20 or 60 minutes and we'll get you scheduled.
Hi Ben. Thanks for replying, but I was really just hoping to get your general recommendation for dosing the sarms. I need to be in shape from mid October to mid December. I was just hoping to find out the best time of day to dose and how long you believe it is safe to do so. I am planning on starting at 10mg of Cardarine per day. Thanks again
Hey Mary, the dosing details are in the article above.
Ben, I tappered off of TRT and went on LGD and I have been on it for 4 weeks and my drive CRASHED! ‘My skin got oily and my erections were weak!!!
I should begin by clarifying the fact that I am *not* a physician and this is *not* to be interpreted as medical advice. Please talk to a licensed medical professional about all of this! You can't just stop TRT, you have to taper off slowly and introduce a wide range of herbal alternatives to help mitigate the issues you had. Look into stuff like this: https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/testosterone-booster and https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/estrogen-control
Thank you for your help, and I know you are not a Dr. You may not believe me, but I was taking the exact Aggressive Strength Test Booster from Mike Mahler, maca root, ashwaganda, and extra zinc, and small dose Arimidex for Estrogen Control. and I did all of them for the 4 weeks while I slowly tapered off. I completely crashed sexually.
Arimidex is pretty potent stuff. I'm a bigger fan of using Mahler's Estrogen Control (EC)…this stuff: https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/estrogen-control
I have been reading on some bodybuilding forums that peptides warehouse product may actually be made in China and may not be what they claim. Did you independently test the quality of their product? Or just go off the analysis they provided on their website? I would like to try the SARMS, just want to make sure the product is legit.
Here's a response from them: I have never seen on a single forum anyone mentioning our products being made in China. Beyond that, all liquids are produced in our facility and Raws are tested prior to that. I would venture to say we are absolutely the only company who has this quality control over our product.
First off, have just started listening to your podcast and your content is fantastic. Keep up the great work.
I read your article on SARMS and decided to order through peptide warehouse on your recommendation. I have just received the order and it appears to be a scam. I received skin saver by prosper natural and absolute comfort instead of 4033 and 501516.
Have you ordered through this site ? Hoping you can shed some light.
I ordered through this site yes, and I can totally vouch for it. It sounds like they just made a mistake. I would contact their support team.
I also ordered threw peptide warehouse. I haven’t received my package yet, but I asked them to mark the parcel with something else then SARMS so it would come threw Norwegian costumes without problems. Here’s what the guy at Peptide warehouse sayed:
LGD to be relabeled as skin saver blend for shipping purposes.
Maybe this is what going on with your package as well.
Great info – thanks!
Thanks for the feedback guys. Yes Chris it appears this is what they did for my delivery.
Keep up the great content Ben.
I got this too everyone – and for ‘discreet’ international shipping.
LGD – absolute comfort blend
GW – sweet clarity energizing blend
SR – absolute bliss
Is it safe to use these (all three) with the testosterone supplements you have linked in you Superman pdf file?
First of, thanks for a great podcasts. You the man!
What’s your thought of LGD 4033 while I’m on a ketogenic diet?
Yep, you can do it and they are not contraindicated.
Thank you so much for the great article and taking the time to answer everyone’s questions.
I have used BPC 157 and TB 500 with success to heal tendinosis in my adductor. However, I am still dealing with nerve paint (neuralgia) following my hernia surgery. Which Sarm or peptide do you recommend specifically for nerve repair and healing? I am considering the LGD but wanted you thoughts first.
I'd look into TB500 for that. Seems to be better for vessels/wounds… I am not a doctor and nothing I say should be taken as medical advice.
I really appreciate all the good info. Two questions:
Is PCT necessary for LGD?
If so, where and what to get? (Getting a lot of mixed answers)
PCT is NOT necessary, and the best source for LGD is the one I link to in the article above.
Thanks for all your podcasts! I am geeking out basically non stop.
I have received the 3 SARMS you recommended above here and in 2 of the bottles the liquid seems cloudy or almost crystallised, while the 3rd is a clear liquid.
Is this OK? I’m in the UK so they had to travel some way and i’m wondering if this affected the quality.
I can't vouch for ANY source other than the one I link to in the article above. Sorry man :/
These were from Peptide Warehouse. I heeded what you said about other sources not being tested.
I just wondered if any you’d tried had turned out crystallised?
I’ve just finished the 4 weeks with the 3 that you recommend here but didn’t see any marked fat loss.
I’m a female looking to lose fat as apposed to gaining strength really. Would you recommend a different stack for female fat loss when I try again in a few weeks?
It's very tough for me to say without seeing your current diet/exercise program. Yes, I'd be happy to help you via a personal one-on-one consult. Just go to https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/coaching. and then choose a 20 or 60 minute consult, whichever you'd prefer. I can schedule ASAP after you get that.
I too got the 3 as above and from the source stated.
LGD and GW were both clear, yet SR was cloudy. Are you aware of this being normal/as expected?
The SR can be a bit different in color, yes. As long as it's not "clumpy"…
My question is about cycling SARMS. I couldn’t find an answer in the other article you linked. I’ve been on LGD-4033 for almost 4 weeks now. I am wondering If I switch to GW-501516 should I still allow a 2-4 week break? Or are they different enough chemicals that I can be on LGD-4033 for 4 weeks and GW-501516 for 4 weeks consecutively.
Yes, you should still cycle on/off every 4 weeks…
Clay, you say you’ve been on LGD-4033 for about 4 weeks….care to share your results and any other thoughts, effects ,etc?
This might be a late response but hopefully you see it or someone else does. The biggest difference I noticed is my increased sex-drive and energy. I had no side effects from what I could tell.
I do olympic style weight lifting in the gym. I didn’t notice a big difference in my lifts honestly. They always seem heavy to me. The energy and increased “aggressiveness” was nice though. I felt slightly more effect around week three.
I just finished taking the first SARM in this article last week. It wasnt quite as beneficial compared to Lgd-4033. I didnt notice anything besides a little pain when I pee(went away when I stopped), and the glands under my nipples felt somewhat inflamed(can’t be sure either one of those was caused by the SARM).
What is the reason for splitting up the doses and taking them two or three times a day instead of just taking one larger dose per day?
In doing further research on SARMs, it has come to my attention that there are companies who sell low grade SARMs. Do you have any idea how to quality check these products? And have you quality checked peptide wharehouse? Thanks.
I looked into quality at Peptides Warehouse and will definitely vouch for them. Others you need to take on case by case basis…
Peptide warehouse seems to bill through the U.K. and I tried 2 different VISA cards and both were rejected by my bank due to the international rules. And suggestions for getting around that? A prepaid Visa gift card?
That's strange. You might need to call up and approve it. FYI If a card is used more than twice in 24 hours it goes on a temporary block list to prevent spam/fraud. This is a policy of the bank.
Thinking of doing 4 weeks of LGD4033, using your recommended dosage. Would it also be OK/better to cycle HCGenerate (5 caps/day)? or just overkill?
I haven't used HC Generate, so can't comment to that, but I do know LGD4033 is good so I would stick with that for now.
Hey, Ben… if taking .25 of TB-500 and .10 of Sermorelin daily to try to heal a rotator cuff tear and biceps tendonitis, could BPC-157 be added via intramuscular safely? Also, do you have a good source for BPC-157? Trustworthy, that is.
Yes, you could still add in BPC. Read more about sourcing here: https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2016/05/how-to-u…
Are all of these legal to consume? Some research I have done has suggested that it is illegal to use for anything other than testing purposes.
Yep, SARMS are legal!
Regarding the gw 501 516 swarms
The Wikipedia states that it caused rapid cancer growth in test mice
How can this be safe? Or am I miss reading it?
It's all in the dosage.
I have turned a lot of people on to your podcasts and articles. Thank you again for all that you do.
Four years ago a woman hit me head while on my motorcycle when I was 28. I was in the hospital for months and 8 mos post recovery a doc suggested TRT for my low test (320 range.) I felt great for 5 months but my hair began falling out and the effects weren’t as noticeable, estrogen skyrocketed, my body felt like a constant balancing act of hormones.
I quit cold turkey and have felt my hormones have been wonky since and my hair has yet to stop falling out.
1- Does this to anything to “normalize” the hormonal balance between test<est<DHT?
2- I am currently on TB500 to heal some of the nagging injuries from the wreck and perhaps help with the hair loss. Should I be concerned with LDG4033 working against my efforts for reducing, or even reversing my hair loss?
3- Last, I have another oral surgery (related to the wreck) coming up to add a screw to my jaw in a few weeks, any concerns with TB500 or LDG4033 affecting the procedure, or post recovery?
Thank you again sir. I will be doing a consult with you soon enough for far more than I could possibly ever cover in a comment request. :)
This is a little too much to go into here, I would suggest booking a consult at <a href="https://greenfieldfitnesssystems.com/ben” target=”_blank”>www.greenfieldfitnesssystems.com/ben and choose 20 or 60 minutes and we'll go over everything there!
I’m 48 yrs old ex- Power lifter(20yrs ago) all natural, the only thing I’ve taken have been Amino acids and multi-vitamins. I am very picky about what I put in my body. I’ve kept myself in good shape up until 4 yrs ago. I was in an industrial accident and was semi immobile for a year and a half (and gained weight). I still have a bad knee from that accident and am looking for a way to heal it without steroids. Also my job as a Truck driver keeps me in a seat for 9 hours a day, with an erratic unchangeable sleeping pattern . (I would make an excellent research subject)… I read your article and did some more research, but I can’t find anything current. It looks like it would be great for someone like me, for losing weight and healing my knee.
Peptides Warehouse statement is that orders are for animal use and not human. Is that just a “CYA” so they don’t get sued?
Who is using it? How safe is it? Where to buy it?
I figure SR9009 and LGD-4033 will work well for me. What do you think?
Keep up the good work. (I listen on Pod Cast Republic)
yes, they can't sell for "human use". I'd start with all three if budget permits but if just one, LGD4033…If you want to go into detail feel free to book a consult at <a href="https://greenfieldfitnesssystems.com/ben” target=”_blank”>www.greenfieldfitnesssystems.com/ben and choose 20 or 60 minutes and we'll get you scheduled.
So bottom line….. take half a dropper of LGD 4033 for 2 weeks and increase to full dropper for week 3 and 4, then take two weeks off and repeat?
Mostly yes, I'd take closer to 4 weeks off if it were me…
I’m 33 years old and have recently been diagnose with ulcerative colitis in my rectum. Which sarm do you think I should look into as I’m struggling to gain muscle and strength. Cheers bud keep brilliant work you do.
Firstly, I'm not a doctor and nothing I say should be taken as medical advice. I'm not sure I would rely on this for colitis. I would instead look into things like elemental diet, aloe vera, probiotic enemas, etc. If you want to go into detail I would book a consult at <a href="https://greenfieldfitnesssystems.com/ben” target=”_blank”>www.greenfieldfitnesssystems.com/ben and choose 20 or 60 minutes and we'll go over everything there. Otherwise, start here: https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2015/12/how-to-f…
Do you have any knowledge or thoughts on the Focused Nutrition SARMs like Quad Elite or SARM Stack? For example the Quad Elite has the following amounts:
LGD4033 – 15mg
S4 – 25mg
MK-677 – 15mg
Androsta-3 5-diene-7 17-Dione – 25mg
LGD 4033 – 15mg
Ostarine (MK 2866) – 12.5mg
GW 501516 – 10mg
N-Methyl-D-aspartic acid – 10mg
Thank you very much in advance,
Not yet! I will look into these though.
Ben – GREAT write up, thank you for taking the time to put this together. I have a question about cycling on and cycling off. Based on what I have read, SARMS are mildly suppressive, and may require a mild PCT to get testosterone production back to it’s normal baseline. Of the three researched here, LGD 4033 seems to be the one that is the most suppressive. In your research, did you find any information that supports doing PCT for any of these, or is it unnecessary?
I have NOT seen any research supporting mild PCT post SARMS assuming you cycle SARMs properly.
Hi Ben, Thanks for everything you do, I am a huge fan!
I have been on TRT for 4 months now and I have noticed an amazing increase to my quality of life as a result of it but I recognize that TRT isn’t the best way to go about achieving the quality of life I am looking for as well as the longevity and health piece. I would like to shift off of the TRT and begin using the SARMS to achieve this instead. What are your recommendations for making this shift? Should I use only hcg for a period of time before the switch, take a period of time off of everything all together, or just make the switch from one to the other after the end of this 4th months cycle? Thanks for your help and clarification on this one.
Firstly, I am not a doctor and nothing I say should be taken as medical advice. I recommend doing the exact cycles I talk about in the article. I also am not a fan of HCG so I do not recommend that at all. This is pretty complex so I'd suggest booking a consult and we'll go into detail there. Go to <a href="https://greenfieldfitnesssystems.com/ben” target=”_blank”>www.greenfieldfitnesssystems.com/ben and choose 20 or 60 minutes and we'll get you scheduled.
Ben, how long a cycle should these be taken for? And how long a break before repeating?
I’m a 44 year old male and have been taking TRT for the past five years due to declining levels of testosterone. From your experience, do these three SARMS stacked together help raise testosterone levels without requiring TRT? As well, from your experience, how do the three SARMS stacked together affect drive? Thank you!
I am not a doctor and nothing I say should be taken as medical advice. I do indeed recommend taking these instead of taking testosterone replacement therapy because you get all the same benefits without all of the damaging side effects. And if you stack all three of them together you will definitely notice an increase in drive.
Also, my skin got super oily and I started breaking out.
Ben, I’ve been trying all three after tapering off of TRT and my drive has crashed completely! Does it take time to work? It’s been two weeks
I am interested in trying a peptide for a Glute, lower back muscle issue caused by Hip tightness. I am scheduled to get prolotherapy on my hips but thought that this could help with recovery. Which of the peptide/treatments do you recommend in aiding this? TB-500, BPC-157, SARM’s. They all seem to have the same benefits but which is best for muscle/ tendon recovery?
Honestly you could take all of them together if u want to heal as fast as possible but if just one use TB-500 as long as u r not competing in sanctioned sports.
I am looking at bioidentical hormone (testosterone for male, age 68) treatment and the cost is about $100 month, $1200 year. SR9009 would seem to accomplish the same thing for what I am looking for according to your article, but when I looked at getting some from the link you provided, based on 30-40 mg/day, the cost would be $150 PER DAY ($54,750/year. Am I missing something here? Is there a dilution factor that is not shown? The 20 mg bottle (half day supply) is $75.
Yes.. 1.0ml from the dropper will give 10mg of SARMS…
I emailed the company to double-check my assumption & I am correct. Each bottle contains 30ml. With 1ml in each full dropper (though how full remains to be seen) you get varying mg. If the bottle label says 10mg, then it is 10mg per ml or dropper full. If it says 20mg, then you get 20mg per ml or dropper full.
Know any other safe places to buy SARMs besides Peptides Warehouse? They seem to only take Visa, I can’t find another way to pay them and I don’t have a Visa card. Thanks.
I would call them on the phone or open a support ticket with them because I'll bet that they will take your money… ;-)
Why these three sarms specifically? I see that there are 8 listed on peptides warehouse: YK11, SR9009, RAD140, LGD 4033, MK-2866, MK-677, GW 501516,and S4 (ANDARINE) . So I am curious why you focused on GW 501516, SR9009, and LGD 4033 and not the others? Thanks Ben.
Of all the ones that I researched these were the three most potent.
Always a topic of some controversy, but great to hear your take on it. Thanks Ben!
Great article, and something I really want to try out. I bought a bottle of 4033 and I’m having a little trouble with the dosing instructions above and on forums. Every article I find is very inconsistent on dosage and units. Most people are mixing up mL and mg or using them interchangeably.
I could use some help.
It appears the proper dose is 5-10mg. Is that 5-10mg of the 4033 liquid suspension or 5-10mg of just the active ingredient?
1mL is said to be 10mg (of drug active? or 1mL weighs 10mg?). 1 dropper full is said to me 1mL. When I use my gram scale and weigh out my dose, I get 1 dropper full to be about 600mg. 1/2 dropper is about 300mg. 1/4 dropper ends up being about 75mg. 5mg is just a teeny tiny amount of liquid, just a few drops, maybe 2 or 3.
So is it correct to assume that 1mL contains 700mg of total suspension, and 700mg of suspension contains 10mg of active and I should be taking 1/2 mL, about 300grams of suspension, if I want to get 5mg of 4033? ?????? HELP!!!
1 dropper full is 10mg of SARMS
I was a bit confused on the dosage as well as Ben recommends the dosage in milligrams (mg), but the product is a liquid and comes in Milliliters (ml). But when you go to the site they specific the mg per ml. So from the Peptide Warehouse, they show LGD-4033 10mg per ml. So a one milliliter dosage will contain 10 mg of LGD-4033. Now all you have to do is make sure the dropper can measure accurately for milliliters. I have just ordered mine so I am not sure of the out of the box dropper. If it is not, these can be order from Amazon for a couple of bucks or I am sure your local drug store has them. You will also see the bottle is identified as having 30 ml. This means a bottle should have 30 1ml (10mg) doses in it. If you only use .5 ml you have 60 (5 mg) doses.
To all who are looking for droppers. I went to the pharmacy at Target. The pharmacist gave me two 1 ml droppers. No charge.
Ben great article. It mentions combating muscle lose for aging and elderly. Do you have any opinions or information on using these to extend quality of life and mobility?
Shae, start here: https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2012/03/how-to-s… and let me know if you have any questions!
If someone has been on TRT for almost 10yrs, will LGD4003 help boost your natural testosterone? Or should you taper off of the test while on LGD?
Taper off TRT ideally before! I am not a doctor and nothing I say should be taken as medical advice.
Hi Ben, thanks as always for the great info. I am looking into adding a cycle or two of these SARMs as a supplement to my bulking protocol, which I will be starting later this year (probably November). First off, are these the correct Peptides-Warehouse links that correspond with the other SARMs in your article: &? Secondly, do you know of any side-effects that are brought about by combining the three SARMs as a stack along with the “standard” bulking protocol (i.e. eating at a caloric surplus, heavy protein intake, lifting heavily, and supplementing with Creatine, BCAAs, Beta-Alanine, Ashwaganda, L-Arginine, etc.)??
Thanks in advance!
Sorry, it cut the links out:
You can totally combine all three and yes, I would get them from the link above in the article. You can also use them with the standard bolting protocol you have described. Be sure to use essential amino acids instead of branched-chain amino acids though. Those work way better .
Hi Ben, I am a 53 yr old woman, fairly fit and about 5 to 10 lbs from my ideal weight. I try to loosly follow a keto diet but do like my wine. I am thinking about doing a few cycles of the LDG4033, 4 wks on and 2 wks off to see if it can help. I also have a few nagging injuries, likely age related that I am hoping it will help with. Is there any concern with liver toxicity (I do like my wine) and are there any other suggestions that you would have. I love your articles and podcasts by the way :)
No concerns with liver toxicity on that one but I would also highly, highly recommend you listen to the podcast episodes that I have done on estrogen dominance… start here: https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2012/02/episode-…
This information is misleading. Yes, SARMs can be safe, but it really depends on the compound, dose, duration, PCT, etc. All of them have side effects, some of them pretty harsh actually. You’re telling people to pretty much do SARMs left and right as if they were just another supplement, only to shamelessly plug your affiliate links, and that is not even the best/cheapest source.
I used to like your stuff a lot, but lately you’ve been selling out too much, and now this is plainly playing with people’s health.
People, educate yourselves! Visit: https://www.reddit.com/r/peds
Ben, If a person were to use one of more of these products as recommended (dosage and cycling) and achieved specific benefits while working out very hard, then stopped using the products but continued to work out hard do you feel those benefits would be lost? I’m thinking mostly of endurance and V02max.
the link you gave here to see examples of SARMS cycles all run for 12 weeks on end and 3weeks of post cycle therapy. there is no mention of a 4 week on 2 week off cycle as you recommended. So it is a bit confusing. research on the web doesn’t help either since all reviews or recommendations vary. I’d like to gain some serious lean mass while getting ripped. you think 4 week combo’s of potent SARMS with a pause of twee weeks between will do the trick safely?
I talked to a lot of people before writing this article and I still am convinced that four-week on/2 week off or a four-week on/4 week off is the best, safest combo.
my shipment of sarms from your recommended source ‘peptides warehouse’ is on it’s way. I ll try out lgd4033, mk2866 and gw501516 for 8 weeks with a pause of 2 weeks in between starting in september. I’ ll get back to you when it’s done in november and review it.
for pct I am thinking some natural testobooster and liverprotection. any need for serms? chlomid, nolvadex? thanks alot
Awesome…but I'd stay away from SERMS, chlomid, nolvadex, etc.
Do you recommend and/or know if taking MK 677 would be okay and benefits someone who’s prescribed ciponate? In review of MK 677 is seems to boost HGH . Looking for your thoughts. Thanks
I should begin by clarifying the fact that I am *not* a physician and this is *not* to be interpreted as medical advice. Please talk to a licensed medical professional about all of this! I can't answer prescription based questions like that as well as whoever prescrived you the medication but I haven't seen much research behind simultaneous use of SARMS and steroids. I wouldn't but that's just me.
So am I getting this right?
10mg a day dose, so a 30ml bottle will last 3 days?
Jay, no, There is 10mg per ml . So a 30ml bottle has 30 10mg doses or 60 5mg doses. You would need to take 0.5ml each day for the first week, then work up to 1 ml per day after a couple of weeks. I suggest you get a dropper that shows you 0.5 ml measurements so you can get the amount correct.
1.0ml a day, which would be 30 days. I missed a decimal (which I'm about to change)
I emailed the company to double-check my assumption & I am correct. Each bottle contains 30ml. With 1ml in each full dropper (though how full remains to be seen) you get varying mg. If the bottle label says 10mg, then it is 10mg per ml or dropper full. If it says 20mg, then you get 20mg per ml or dropper full.
What do you think of Yohimbie HCL for stubborn fat? will these products have a similar result in terms of targeted fat loss which seems to be a lot of controversy about ?
I would start by reading this: http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/health-fitness/e… And we cover Yohimbie here: https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2012/06/episode-…
Ben, Thanks Great Article as always, how you do all this research is amazing. I am 54 and have been using the Mahelers Testosterone Booster on your Thorne wellness longevity panel my T was 835 which was good. At 5’11” 165 12% BF I wanted to add some muscle. Cycling off the Testosterone Booster now for 4 weeks, is this an ok time to do a 21 day LG4033 trial ? The first night I tried this I slept great maybe just coincidence.
Yes, you can totally do a 21 day lgd protocol!
I’m sorry but the conversion factors are a little confusing? The company saw 1 full dropper is 1ml, not 10ml? The bottle says 30ml and 20mg, can someone help?
SR9009 is in a bottle of 20 milligrams per milliliter (milligrams or mg is a measure of weight, while milliliters (ml) is a measure of volume). There are 30ml in total, which means there is a total of 600mg (30ml x 20mg/ml) of SR9009 in the bottle.
A dropperful is 1.0ml (Ben missed a decimal point above), which contains 20mg of SR9009. Half a dropperful (0.5ml) would contain 10mg of SR9009.
I’ve got some nagging wrist and shoulder issues that I was think about trying BPC-157 for, but would love to try something orally first. Do you think GW-501516 would help?
I am not a doctor and nothing I say should be taken as medical advice, but I would try, yes.
Ben, great article… I have major shoulder surgery coming up and after reading this , it looks like LDG4033 might help me maintain muscle while I am rehabbing… is the peptide you would recommend for this situation ?
That's the best one for that in my personal opinion, yes. Although great efficacy from stacking all three also.
I have taken your advice and now have all 3 from the source you provided. I am hearing that LDC4033 may have some affect on normal production of hormones.. so interested in your thoughts on that. Finally, I am confused as hell as to how to figure out the conversion of ml which the products come in versus mg which is the way you measure the dose.
You can ignore my previous question above on how to figure out dosing.. I see some other members are answering that. I noticed that on the bottles .. LGD says 10mg as does GW and SR says 20 mg, which I believe to mean that is what is in each 1ml dose. So think I have it figured out
You are correct!
Not if you cycle them exactly as I have described in the article and in the other responses to the comments here.
Thanks for the article. Although testosterone levels after LGD-4033 supplementation rebound quickly, does the suppression of testosterone caused by LGD-4033 cause any concern in your mind?
not at all because it's not working on the negative feedback loop that straight up exogenous testosterone acts upon.
How long are Sarms detectable in your sudyem
Oops *system :)
Half life of most of them is around 24 hours…
Ben there is a side affect of these that affects the eyes. I have read about it and yes I used SARMS and had this side affect. From my understanding now is that a 5 day on 2 day off will prevent this. Your thoughts?
Yep, most of the known issues like this with SARMS can be negated by cycling appropriately and not overdosing!
Can you clarify, regarding LGD-4033:
One bottle will provide how many doses if each dose is 5ml ?
10 mg per ml according to the bottle. So with the dosage being 5-10 mg, therefore 0.5-10 ml. Ben’s earlier comment is the dropper is 10 mg.
Does 5mg (the recommended dose) equal 0.5ml ?
If so, then a bottle of 30ml would be 60 5mg doses.
Hi Bill. Yes, that is correct. IF you wanted to be more accurate with dosing you could get some insulin syringes that do not have the needle attached or a similar 1 ml needle less syringe. It will provide more accurate dosing especially if you are going to experiment with different amounts.
I’m wondering the same the thing. I googled ML to MG conversion but this apparently can’t be done. Conversion Calculator “Sorry—you cannot convert between these two units.” Your supposed to convert first to grams and then to ML? I’d just like to know how long a bottle will last me at the lowest possible dosing of say 5ml or 10ml.
depends on size of bottle but I BELIEVE you'll get close to 60 doses if dosing 5ml and 30 if dosing 10ml. So about a month's worth.
Thanks for the clarification !
I emailed the company to double-check my assumption & I am correct. Each bottle contains 30ml. With 1ml in each full dropper (though how full remains to be seen) you get varying mg. If the bottle label says 10mg, then it is 10mg per ml or dropper full. If it says 20mg, then you get 20mg per ml or dropper full.
I just turned 40 this year, have been endurance athlete and casual crossfitter for last 10 years. Prior to this year I’ve never had any joint/tendon issues and then within 3 months I suffered distal bicep tendon tears in both arms (separate incidents). Currently 4 months post-op on left arm and 1 month post-op on right arm. Would you recommend using one of these solo to start or stack all 3? or should I wait until I’m able to begin resistance training again? I run lean and have lost a great deal of upper body strength/mass and want to safely build it back up but won’t be able to lift heavy for quite a while. thanks!
Honestly, I would stack all three if you want full benefits, but if you choose just one, I'd say LGD 4033.
The research on this article sucks. There are no references for the statement “steroid use will slowly kill your biology.” Perhaps the huge doses of AAS taken by bodybuilders are dangerous, but Ben appears to lump normal-dose usage in with the massive overuse/abuse, mentioning athletic and anti-aging usage in the same sentence. the 2 are not the same and I don’t know of anyone using steroids for antiaging purposes who injects 1gram of testosterone per week like athletes can. the sheer number of pro bodybuilders who have used grams of gear weekly for years on end, and the relative lack of side effects shows us that they are (relatively) safe. he then mentions the “shrunken ball” horror and the overused “roid rage” hysteria. The leydig cells account for a small portion of the testicles and even among heavy steroid users, testicular size is not an accurate gauge of HPTA function or AAS use. the issue of endogenous hormone ‘shutdown’ is very real when using testosterone or other AAS, but it can be managed with proper dosages and Post Cycle Therapy (googling for SARMs indicates that these compounds can cuse shutdown as well). Roid rage has never been proven to be attributable solely to steroids and has more to do with a user’s underlying personality than the AAS compounds he is using. To scare readers further he mentions the deepening of voices and facial hair growth in women. no shit, Sherlock, when women take higher androgen amounts than they produce naturally their physiology may change, just like men would change if they took estrogen. Ben uses the word “synthetic” in connection with testosterone, perhaps in an attempt to make it seem more toxic or less desirable. in reality when it dissociates from whatever carrier molecule it is injected with (cypionate, propionate, etc.) it becomes bio-identical, something that the SARMs can’t claim and which underlines Ben’s logical fallacy of criticizing testosterone for being ‘synthetic’ while promoting the use of SARMs, which are not only synthetic but xenomolecular — i.e. have never been seen by the body before being introduced (courtesy of the links he provides).
Ben has some good articles but due to the shoddy research in this article I wouldn’t touch his advice on SARMs with a 10 foot pole
Would you say that any AAS would help tendon repair and increase muscle strength/gain simultaneously? What would be an optimal post cycle therapy? ( for a basketball Athlete
Do you take these dosages orally by mouth?
Yes, orally with a dropper. You can inject but not necessary.
How long with the suggested dosing would it take to noticed the effects, improved endurance, immediately? And as well as fat lost and muscle gain, one. Cycle?
2-3 days. They act pretty quickly. Crazy quickly. Information on cycling on and off is in links above in article.
I’m keen to experiment. If I were to order everything listed in this article (likely a once off, shipping to Aus is costly), what would my daily/weekly dose of each be. Aiming for strength gains primarily, but endurance also.
Look at the dosing schedules I have in the article above. I have the exact dosing listed for each. Do that.
source is from the UK and would not accept the Visa due to “International” is there another place to source?
Tough to say. I haven't hunted down UK source yet.
I’ve heard through bodybuilding forums that there are studies and N=1 examples of SARMS (LGD-4033 & S4) lowering endogenous testosterone, although not as much as steroids. What can you tell us about that?
I've ONLY seen that in non-cycling or overdosing scenarios. Follow the info above and there is far less risk of any of that.
Great article but I wish you had talked about S4 which is a very popular SARM.
Also does GW-501516 also need to be cycled like LGD-4033? It wasn’t clear from the article.
ALL of them should be cycled. Follow my links in article: re cycling.
Should a 5mg dose (2x/day) of GW 501516 be taken on empty stomach? Or does it not matter?
Yes, empty stomach is fine, but ultimately it doesn't matter.
Thoughts on this?
“GW501516 had completed two phase II clinical studies and other studies relating to obesity, diabetes, dyslipidemia and cardiovascular disease, but GSK abandoned further development of the drug in 2007 for reasons which were not disclosed as the time. It later emerged that the drug was discontinued because animal testing showed that the drug caused cancer to develop rapidly in several organs”
Ben posted this to a similar question earlier…be sure to read
I’d apply a high level of scepticism to anything from that Evolutionary forum as most forum participants are affiliates / sponsors of SARMS websites.
You should read this: http://www.evolutionary.org/cardarine-gw-501516-e…
Hey Ben, I’m a 43 yo male, in decent shape. What would you recommend if I wanted help with nagging injuries and also wanted to increase lean muscle and lose fat. I’m not too concerned with improving performance, that’ll happen as a byproduct. I’m open to stacking or doing just one. Thanks.
I know you guys really look up to ben for his professionalism and insight but wouldnt expect him to offer stack suggestions. Do your DD or dont mess with this stuff at all…take your health into your own hands
Ben’s given such a huge drop of knowledge that allows all of us to research further if interested
Stacking all three is best, but if you have to choose one, go with LGD4033.
Hey Ben do the companies listed in the article ship to Canada?
Try to order from their site. They should but no guarantees.
Great article. I was diagnosed with low testosterone 6 years ago due to a varicocele and my doctor put me on Delatestryl (Testosterone Enanthate/ 50mg q2weeks) injections. While helping initially, the injections seem to be less effective over time. I have been trying to go a more natural route to boost testosterone with a clean diet and weight training 2x/ per week but it seems to be a downhill slope of sarcopenia and easy fat gain as I get older (48). I am not a candidate for surgical repair and my doctor has been reluctant to increase the testosterone dosage.
Could SARMS be an alternative/addition to my regimen and could I get it by prescription (I have insurance)?
Hey neal, if you’re looking for somethIng that could potentially substitue trt look into RAD 140…do your DD
Or try finding a new doc that is willing to prescirbe higher doses of test
Adequate testosterone is crucial to living a happy healthy life
Thanks for your response. I have read the linked articles and I follow most of them already. I was not familiar with the pine pollen powder extract. Is there a brand you would recommend? When I click on your link defaulted to the amazon Canada site (I’m in Vancouver) and it gave me the option of buying pine board lumber. Though I think this would be an interesting way to get wood, I don’t think this is what you would recommend.
I use RAW Forest foods Pine pollen extract. It works rpetty good, and have used it for over a year with decent results and as a safe alternative. I do like a 5 day on/2 day off plan. But, don’t expect anything close to like effects of TRT or other pharm alternatives.
I should begin by clarifying the fact that I am *not* a physician and this is *not* to be interpreted as medical advice. Please talk to a licensed medical professional about all of this! SARMS you can buy via the link above in the article with NO prescription at all, and I would certainly try those and also these: https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2014/10/best-sup… and https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2013/01/how-to-b…
Thanks Alex. I will look into the RAD 140. May doctor is reluctant to use a higher dosage for TRT as I have a higher risk of developing prostate cancer like my father. However, some research I have come across indicates that TST may actually be protective.
Just inquiring about the safety of peptides + SARMs longterm. Is it possible that peptides and SARMs are still relatively new, and that the negative side effects may not be apparent yet? IE: when steroids first came onto the scene, there was a lengthy period before all of the bad things associated with them today were fully known. Do you think that’s a possibility with today’s peptides and SARMs or is research that much better?
I do take BPC157 which has done wonders for me, but that thought keeps me from trying other peptides, SARMs.
There is a possibility of this with EVERYTHING which is why I recommend NOT exceeding the doses that HAVE been looked at in studies. Ultimately, something like, say, kale is safer, but if you want to play big and live on the cutting edge you may need to take a dive into this kind of stuff.
Thanks for the article.
I am curious about these and they sound interesting. Some of the sites that I have read say that you should undergo a PCT (post cycle therapy) after using LDG4033 as your testosterone production will be suppressed.
DO you recommend that and what would you suggest for it?
In my opinion not necessary if you stick to the dosages/cycles I've recommended above…
Is there a discount code for using your name?
No discounts, but peptides warehouse is the best deal…the links are above….
Do you have a good / trusty online shop for those for folks in germany?
Just order from peptides warehouse!
I’m a 58 year old male in good health, working out regularly though my progress is mediocre. I rock climb and need significantly more strength than I currently have.
The Steroid alternative sound like they would be beneficial to me. I don’t see where it’s mentioned to purchase these supplements. Please advise where to purchase.
Click on the links in the articles.
Hi Ben…I’m noticing “Not for human consumption” on the label.
What’s up with that?
Yep, that is very typical. It's because these aren't sold as "supplements" or "foods" as approved by FDA.
A few questions:
What is the shelf life of these puppies? It looks like another website has a bulk discount if I buy multiple bottles.
Also, can this be used with an ECA stack?
Continued use of my daily multi and fish oil should also be OK, correct?
Gracias in advance!
Shelf life is typically 2-4 months (keep it cold and it will last longer) and yes, you can stack with ANY OF THOSE that you mentioned.
Can it be used by women? If so what dosages? Can you combine all? Or is it better to start with one and then add the others one by one? I’m a 46 year old female who has Hashimoto’s and takes natural thyroid as well as compounded T3. I do CrossFit and weight lifting
Yes, you can stack it, or take any solo. You can start with all three if you want. No issues with that. I should clarify the fact that I am *not* a physician and this is *not* to be interpreted as medical advice. Please talk to a licensed medical professional about all of this!
I am considering a GW-501516/SR9009 and noticed some people recommend supplementation for liver protection, despite the low risk associated with these compounds. What are you recommendations? Also is there any need or recommendations for some sort of PCT, to provide maximum protection?
I do indeed use this every night and it's very good for liver cleanse (although I don't use SARMs because I can't): https://greenfieldfitnesssystems.com/product/natu… – another very good one is https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/cyto
Is there an easy way (any way, really) to calculate how many mg are in each 30 mg bottle? Also, how does one measure the mg? With the dropper? Sounds interesting and something worth getting right!
It is 1.0mg per dropper. Easy peasy.
According to the company, the dropper is 1ml? Is that equivalent to 10mg?
Google is your friend Sebastian: https://www.google.com/search?q=one+ml+to+g&i…
I emailed the company to double-check my assumption & I am correct. Each bottle contains 30ml. With 1ml in each full dropper (though how full remains to be seen) you get varying mg. If the bottle label says 10mg, then it is 10mg per ml or dropper full. If it says 20mg, then you get 20mg per ml or dropper full.
I replied to a person with a similar concern. For more accurate dosing I would suggest an needle less insulin or similar syringe. They are 1ml volume in total in 100 Units/ml or in .10 ml increments. Most pharmacies would carry these types of syringes.
Thanks for all your work but I think you’re off on these answers. The google page is not representative of what we get in these peptides because they are using different dilutions in each bottle: i.e. 10 mg/ml, or 20 mg/ml. Sadly there are no markings on the dropper to help figure this out.
Also sadly, I started out using your above “1.0 mg per dropper” answer & before I got to the 10 mg amount realized I’d gone through 1/8th of the bottle. Thus I have WAY over-dosed on a cancer-causing peptide, and wasted a bunch of expensive product. I’m quite unhappy about that.
If you go on their website and read the title of the product, for each SARM it gives you the dosage. SR9009 20mg per ml x 30ml.
If you have a hard time reading a page and discerning vital bits of information before over dosing on a cancer causing peptide, maybe you shouldn’t be using them. Own up, terry.
I’m 46 and in pretty good shape, happy with diet et. al. but I’m interested in trying SARMS just to see what it does and as a recreational pugilist see if it could improve my once a week sparring, need all the help I can get. The cycling recommended is daunting and something I’m not interested in. Is it worth it to just try one of the mentioned SARMS for a 4 week cycle and then see where to go? If so which do you recommend? Thanks a lot.
Yep, and in that case I'd go with LGD-4033.
I am 68 and have seemed to hit a wall in my cycling. I was looking at LGD-4033 as well to see if it would give me a boost in my training and ultimately in my muscle mass for cycling?
Absolutely. It would be my top pick of those above, although stacking all three is good.
Very interesting article! If you were to only take one of the three, which one would you recommend taking?
Thanks for the great info!
LSG-4033. IMO, safest and most potent.
Do you take them Ben?
No, I can't as I reference above because I compete in sanctioned sports.
Hi Ben, do you know the best website to buy within europe?
I can only vouch for the source listed above and they do indeed ship to Europe.
Ben, I see reference to men using GW-501516 for fat loss. Would it be safe for a woman to use for added fat loss along with healthy eating and exercise? Can it be used alone or do you need to add another SARM? Thanks.
You can stack it for MORE efficacy or use by itself. Totally safe to use based on the dosing recommendations above. I should clarify the fact that I am *not* a physician and this is *not* to be interpreted as medical advice. Please talk to a licensed medical professional about all of this!
A long time fan of your work…
For this article are you not missing the fact that GW501516 is suspected to be causing cancer rapidly in several organs? Thats why GSK abandoned the product in 2007???
When I read the article I almost felt like buying it, but it seems as there are more to it than just baldness and acne?
Keep the articles coming!
Check this out: https://theconversation.com/anti-doping-agency-wa…
I am 29yo woman and I have long been wondering how to increase my testosterone levels naturally (without steroids, for ex.).
Are these products a good option for women?
Also, I was on oral contraception for over 10 years but now i am already one year free and it really improved my drive and weight loss (thanks for the tip!)
Thank you for your amazing work!
Yep, all OK for women, Camila! Especially for fat loss/muscle maintenance/drive!
I note that LGD4033 is suspended in propolene glycol. This is a nasty substance that should not be ingested. Are there any other sources you can recommend that use better exipients?
These are very, very trace amounts of glycol. Do you have any research on your end showing harm of ingestion this *amount*? It's kind of like coffee. Too much can kill you but you need to drink a crap ton.
Just when i thought maybe you knew what you were talking about lol