How To Instantly Shift Your State Of Consciousness From Anxiety To Relaxation, Wakefulness To Sleep, Or Brain Fogginess to Focus With

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February 26, 2022

On this podcast episode, I was joined by Dan Clark and Kevin Woods, CEO and Director of Science, respectively, at

Dan Clark previously worked as a website and app developer but switched careers when he came across After his first session, he purchased an account, and after his first week of use, he knew he needed to be part of the company. After calling them a whopping twelve times, he was finally given a job and offered to work the first month for free. Fast forward a few years, and Dan is now the CEO of and recently made 2019's Forbes 30 under 30.

Kevin JP Woods, Ph.D. is the Director of Science at He received a doctorate in auditory neuroscience from Harvard for work performed at MIT on how hearing in complex scenes is aided by attention and memory. Raised in Singapore and Hawaii, he enjoys playing guitar and being in the ocean. uses non-invasive neurotechnology that can shift you into an altered or elevated state of consciousness, with no plant medicines, nootropics, or drugs required. The technology used involves patented key processes for creating functional music, including technology to elicit strong neural phase-locking—allowing populations of neurons to engage in various kinds of coordinated activity—and technology to remove distraction in sound. In other words, uses uniquely designed music that helps you do what you need to do.

Scientists at have recently worked with collaborators at academic institutions to run experiments, looking at the effects of their technology on the brain using fMRI and EEG, as well as running large-scale behavioral tests. In this podcast, you'll hear from Dan and Kevin on what their new studies have found.

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During our discussion, you'll discover:

-What is and how Dan got involved with the company…05:40

  • Made website for martial arts dojo which transformed its business
  • Income vs. impact
  • Find the magic zone where you can crush it, and work around that (flow state)
  • Discovered and immediately wanted to be part of it; eventually became controlling owner of the company

-The science behind and what differentiates it from other focus apps…13:40

-How the music tracks are developed…24:00

  • Pieces are much longer to avoid track changes
  • AI creates variations on human compositions
  • Aptitude modulation

-How is different from binaural beats…36:13

  • Binaural beats produce “neural synchrony”
  • Depth of amplitude modulation is limited by the brain stem
  • Binaural beats can only be used with headphones
  • Binaural beats has nothing to do with music

-Slow-wave sleep and long-term memory…38:56

  • Slow waves are about the same speed as waves on the beach
  • Pilot sleep study found greater spindle activity

-About the “focus mode” on…41:55

-Why it's not advisable to combine with popular music…50:54

  • All music is currently done in-house
  • The majority of popular music is made to distract, or grab attention
  • The goal is to make “background” music that stays out of the listener's consciousness

-How to maximize the experience…55:40

-And much more…

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17 thoughts on “How To Instantly Shift Your State Of Consciousness From Anxiety To Relaxation, Wakefulness To Sleep, Or Brain Fogginess to Focus With

  1. Vicki says:

    Hi… have there been any studies on toddlers sleep using the sleep music….would it be safe to try this on a 2 year old? Thank you!

  2. Jennifer says:

    If I explain it correctly, there was a book you mentioned in one of your podcast episodes about a woman who talked with people near the end of life and gathered commonalities about what was most important to them or what they’d do differently etc. If you know what I’m talking about, I’d love it if you could remind me of the book title. I’ve re-listened to some episodes and searched the internet but just can’t find it. Thanks so much!

    1. Kevin says:

      This is the book you might be talking about. I hope it helps.

      All the best

  3. Zane says:

    Dan! Love but I am praying you all add Siri support soon. I would love to get some voice control going for my deep work sessions. I hate tapping on my phone screen and love having Siri do things for me :) would be super cool with!

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    What is the cost?

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  9. Tacey Gosling says:

    I LOVED this episode! As a biopsych nerd, this was like candy to my neocortex! My question is, and I’m sure you’re anticipating it…Does the EMF from the wifi earphones negate the benefits? Thank you kindly.

  10. Andrew K says:

    After hearing this episode I decided to revisit the app… I found the “beats “ to be actually quite distracting. But I like the theories driving the music…. Too each his own. But I’ll revisit it again in the future

  11. Brian says:

    Guys great discussion. How does this compare to NuCalm and their tech? Ben I’ve been using that lately as you’ve referenced that company many times in the past. Thanks again!

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