What To Say When People Ask You What “QUANTUM Energy” Is (& How To Use Quantum To Make The BEST Smoothie Ever?!) With Ian Mitchell & Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling

Ben Greenfield [00:00:00]: My name is Ben Greenfield, and on this episode of the Ben Greenfield Life Podcast.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:00:04]: The cells healed 46% to 100% faster than all other cells in each of the experiments. And just to witness that and that actually you can measure this on a physical level, this is profound because we're talking about something that's completely non invasive, right? Something you don't need to shuffle anything down your throat. You don't need to get a shot for this. You literally just provide the right energetic field and support, and suddenly they work better.

Ben Greenfield [00:00:40]: Fitness, nutrition, biohacking, longevity, life optimization, spirituality, and a whole lot more. Welcome to the Ben Greenfield Life show. Are you ready to hack your life? Let's do this.

Ben Greenfield [00:01:01]: Alright, folks, time to jump into all things quantum. Quantum technology. I get a lot of questions about quantum technology, like this little necklace that I'm wearing right now that I just joke and tell people it's got the fingernails, you know, like the ground up fingernails of my enemies in it. But there's a little bit more to it than that. And I get so many questions about these invisible forces and how they can affect us that I wanted to take a deep dive today. I actually have two guests, you guys, because when I interview two guests at a time, it's nice to let people get to know your voices, especially those who might not be watching the video version. So go ahead and introduce yourselves up. Philip, you've been on the podcast before, but explain to people what you do.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:01:52]: Yeah. Well, first of all, thanks for having us on. That's really great. And I love the capsule you're wearing. I'm the founder and CEO of Leela Quantum Tech and Quantum Upgrade. I'm also a certified Kundalini yoga teacher. I play national level tennis. I'm a father of two. And yeah, that's pretty much what I do.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:02:14]: My background though is in corporate. I used to work as a vice president at T-Mobile, running 14 countries in Europe, but then also in the US. So I'm quite aware of electromagnetic fields from both sides of the spectrum, basically. And yeah, I'm looking forward to the conversation today.

Ben Greenfield [00:02:34]: Philip, when was the first time, do you remember that you even came across the concept of quantum?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:02:40]: I think I heard about it the first time when I was maybe 25. And at that time it sounded like something interesting, but I didn't really dig into that until way later. And then when in the early two thousands, I went into learning yoga, doing meditation and all that, I started to read also a few interesting books. And already there, I bumped into quantum quite a bit. But then I really didn't understand too much of it at that time. That came later and throughout my whole life journey.

Ben Greenfield [00:03:20]: You've got a sidekick right here along with you. This other clown has also been on the podcast before. Ian, what's going on, man?

Ian Mitchell [00:03:28]: Hey, Ben, how you doing? Glad to be back. Good to see you.

Ben Greenfield [00:03:32]: Yeah. So I. And Mitchell, what do you do?

Ian Mitchell [00:03:35]: I'm the token scientist. So in this capacity, I am the chief scientific advisor for Leela, for both Leela Quantum and Quantum Upgrade. So I've been working on this for probably the better part of five years. And really, the initial go of this was just because the tech seemed so very peculiar at the outset that I started working on it to test it out and validate it. And after we started getting really legitimate results, it was profound enough and interesting enough that I started devoting a fair amount of time to it, because everybody kind of assumes that this is one of those things. I like to clarify that my interest in this, I do this. It's not a paid thing.

Ian Mitchell [00:04:25]: I do it because the technology needs to get out there. People need to understand this. And very often in science, you stumble upon things that aren't terribly explainable at the moment. That's one of the big issues with quantum that everybody talks about, because what we're really talking about are all sorts of quantum biological functions, which is quantum biology is very new and cutting edge. And when I taught, I actually taught a senior biochemistry at a university, and I only had two books for required reading, and one was a book on quantum biology called Life at the Edge. And it's because I wanted to prepare all the kids who were graduating, because more than half of them were going off to med school for what the future was. And in my estimation, the future is an understanding of quantum biology and quantum physics and how it actually happens physiologically to affect change in us and all the systems around us. And it's just hard for people to grasp, because for a long time, scientists just assumed that quantum effects were only super subatomic skill things.

Ian Mitchell [00:05:27]: And if we saw this kind of thing happening, it was going to be a very cold temperature, when, in fact, nature beat us to the punch. It's everywhere, all the time. We didn't see it. We didn't think it was there. For me, this has been an exercise in trying to elucidate people to the idea that this is all around us. It's pervasive, it's consistent, and we just have to come up with a common lexicon. So everybody's speaking about it with the same language, so that we can really move the ball forward. So that's kind of my component is as a scientist, trying to help move this forward, so people stop seeing it as some woo woo, quantum bullshit sort of thing.

Ian Mitchell [00:06:04]: Because a lot of it, to be honest, is people like, try our quantum cornflakes. They throw a lot of things that are applicable. And that's kind of where you separate the wheat from the chaff, is you have to go in there and do true validations in science, and run experiments, and try and do it where you can randomize double blind placebo control and all that sort of stuff. And that's what I've been doing for the past couple of years, both with everything that Phillip's been working on, and with a lot of other things, just because I'm probably overly curious and just really want to know. And a lot of this is, I can't Google it, I can't pull up PubMed and find the answers, so I actually have to do the work.

Ben Greenfield [00:06:45]: Yeah, yeah. I'm a big visual, illustrative guy, so maybe kind of building on that concept of the quantum corn flakes. Ian, do you wear a necklace like this? Like this capsule, one that Philip makes?

Ian Mitchell [00:07:00]: I do frequently, but I actually, my dad's been having some cardiac issues, so I had passed it off to my dad, and then I got it back from him, and then I passed it off to another person that was having some issues. So I keep a quantum block here, and, well, I keep a quantum block here in the laboratory, and I keep one at the university and I keep one at my house.

Ben Greenfield [00:07:21]: Okay. Phillip will not off on you. He needs to send you a necklace then. So when you are wearing this, if you're like me, and people come up to you and they're like, what the heck is that around your neck? What do you say?

Ian Mitchell [00:07:35]: So I say that it emits a vibration, and the vibration affects the field, because people assume that they are solid. They are not. This is probably the most depressing thing you'll hear all day. You are never going to actually touch another person. You are hitting their electron cloud. When you touch something, all you're actually perceiving is electron cloud repulsion. Those electrons, if you drill down even farther, are literally just vibrating strings that have coalesced. So you are a series of trillions or quadrillions, or quintillions of fluctuations of fields that have come together and coalesced to be Ben or Philip or me.

Ian Mitchell [00:08:19]: When you add something into the field, it changes how that works. There's a good video that I know you've seen because we've talked about it. Philip and I were on stage at a conference, and Philip had asked me to do an experiment so I could show that this wasn't just bullshit to people in real time in the audience. So we brought in Todd Shipman. Right. And Todd came on stage, and he's got a really bad reaction to shellfish. Like, total anaphylaxis, the whole nine yards. So I took a can of crab meat, I opened it up, derma rolled one arm, and put a little bit of the crab juice on it.

Ian Mitchell [00:08:52]: Wait, wait, wait.

Ben Greenfield [00:08:53]: Did you just, like, randomly have crab meat in your back pocket out of coffers?

Ian Mitchell [00:08:56]: Man, I always roll with crab meat. Do you not? Are you anti shellfish? No.

Ben Greenfield [00:09:01]: I need to get on the bandwagon. Sorry.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:09:04]: So let me tell you about the background real quick how it came about, because that wasn't just decided on stage. That would be, oh, now let's just do it. It was reported by many, many different. By many different people when they had allergies, food allergies, and sensitivities that if they charged these foods in the block, in the infinity block, then they could tolerate the foods. And Todd Shipman reported that with all his three allergies, avocado, crab meat, and honey, those are his three allergies. Right. And first, he thought he could get rid of the allergy completely, that it is gone, but it wasn't gone. Anytime he consumed the substances without charging them, he had an allergic reaction.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:09:47]: And if he charged them, he had no allergic reaction. And then we thought about, okay, so how could this be shown and visualized? Right? And then Ayn had the idea, oh, let's just do the derma roller test. And now, Ian, keep going.

Ian Mitchell [00:10:02]: Yeah. So basically, a derma roller is a little roller that has lots of little stainless steel pin pricks on it. So what I was trying to mimic was a dermal stamp test that you did if you went to an allergist, like the old school thing, where they prick you, and then they put the substance in, and they see if you have a localized histamine reaction. In this case, his arm blew up. Histamine reaction, everything welts on it. And then I just put the can of crab meat in the quantum block and talk about waveform dynamics and how things aren't really just a wave in the sense that you'd see a sine wave. It's actually chiral spheres, and they're rolling, and they have a pressure gradient. And as best as I can determine, there's about 20 different attributes of waveform that you can clearly define and describe to end up with a tangible thing.

Ian Mitchell [00:10:46]: And if you modulate any of those, it changes the properties. So when you have a reaction to something, like an allergic reaction, you're not actually having a histamine reaction primarily. That's really a tertiary effect. What's happening is the waveform that is, you is reacting destructively with the waveform that is it. And that destructive interference pattern causes a cascade that ends up becoming a histamine reaction. So if you simply knock out the bad part of the waveform, then you don't have destructive interference patterns.

Ian Mitchell [00:11:21]: And so I pulled the can of crab meat out after about, what, three minutes maybe, or so.

Ben Greenfield [00:11:26]: Wait, wait, wait. You pulled it out of what?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:11:29]: Infinity block.

Ben Greenfield [00:11:30]: Now, for people who don't know what that is, what's the infinity block?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:11:32]: The infinity block is a quantum energy generator that we develop. Basically, it creates a very, very strong and highly concentrated quantum energy field. So the people that don't know what really the breakthrough was and what technology we developed. We, of course, did not invent the quantum field that has been around forever and will be around forever. It's always been there. We have found a way on how to concentrate it and harness it in a way never done before, at least publicly not. We don't know of anyone else that has been able to do that in a pure fashion. So now, within these blocks, it's, you know, think of three golden plates on the top and three on the bottom.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:12:20]: If you're just listening as, like, maybe eight by eight by eight inches big. And in between these plates, you have a highly concentrated quantum energy field. And if you put your hands in there, you can measure positive changes on your blood, on your heart rate variability, on your ATP, et cetera. But it also has impact, for example, on water. Like the Emoto Institute proved, that it can structure and optimize water faster than any other method they'd ever tested before. Now, foods are water as well, and it seems to have an incredible effect on food. And that's pretty much what Ian was just talking about right now, because the crab meat they put in his one arm, but then that same crab meat they put live on stage in the infinity block.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:13:14]: So it gets charged, right? And after five minutes, Ian took out the crab meat and then put it in his other arm.

Ian Mitchell [00:13:23]: And nothing happened. So there was no reaction. And so the rationale there is much like the necklace that you're wearing of the heal capsule, it changes the waveform interactions, and when you change waveform interactions, you change the outcome. And so that's a tangible response. And I've done this so many times in the lab. I've taken zinc, vitamin C, lots of different compounds, and we'll take two little tubes of them out of the same source, and then we can run an analysis on, like, a gas chromatograph, and it tells you this is blank. Or, like, in the case of, like, zinc, this is zinc. And then we put one of those

Ian Mitchell [00:14:01]: in a quantum block or an infinity block, and then we pull it back out, and we test the same thing, and it still says, this is zinc. But then when you run a redox potential test, reduction oxidation test on it to see how interactive it's going to be, they're entirely different. They look like they function as entirely different compounds. And so that's where the tricky part is. With the analytical tools that we have today, I can tell you that they read out as if they're the same compound, but they don't function as if they're the same compound. So something fundamentally has changed. My estimation of what's happening is we're tweaking something at a very, very subtle quantum level that's cascading up to become subatomic and then atomic. And my hunch is that it's causing an expression that's doing something to the spin of the electrons, and that is something that's a perceptible change in terms of interaction. Now that's my hunch.

Ben Greenfield [00:15:00]: And that's why the redox potential would have changed, but the zinc molecule would have looked the same.

Ian Mitchell [00:15:08]: Yeah, the molecule stays the same, but the way it interacts is different. It's kind of like what I would tell people is that with spectral analysis, we can tell you you have a blue box, but one blue box might be filled with lead, and one blue box might be filled with gold. We don't know, because, really, all we can tell you is this is what the molecule is, and then we have to take it to a different instrument and say, okay, this one has this mass, this one has this mass. This one reacts this way, this one reacts this way. We don't have a quantumometer, so we can't, you know, really drill down just yet. But that's always the issue with science at the very leading edge of things. Truly, kind of the bleeding edge of things is you can't look it up. You have to do the work.

Ian Mitchell [00:15:52]: And sometimes the results are confounding like, they. Honestly, sometimes you see things like the ATP experiments we did. Everybody that was involved in that from our side when we did the experiment at a university, it was bizarre. I mean, it just. We see these big shifts in output. Immediately. Like, literally, within two minutes, there's a huge shift in the ATP output.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:16]: What was the ATP experiment? How did that go?

Ian Mitchell [00:16:19]: So, okay, so that one, this was cool because it was a double blinded experiment. I thought this was. And we did it a bunch of times because it was so bizarre with the outcome. And it always had this outcome. We would take cells, and we would plate literally millions of cells. And we did it. At first, we did it with microplates. So it's a 96 well plate.

Ian Mitchell [00:16:39]: And you put little bitty cells in each one. So you've got millions of cells. And then we would only take a couple of those and treat them. So they would be quantized, is what we would call it in the lab. But, Philip, you might have a different term for it. We just all called it quantized. Like, which ones were quantized because it was going in a quantum instrument. So I would take a picture of it.

Ian Mitchell [00:17:04]: The guys, the professor who was plating it didn't know which cells of, say, 896 wall plates were going to be treated. Then I would take a picture of two of them, and then I would send the picture to Philip with all of the differentiators marked out so that you guys couldn't tell. The professor didn't know. Like, no one else knew which cells were which, except me. Then we would put them in, I guess, on your side. You would put them in the quantum upgrade system, or the quantum block, depending on which experiment we were doing. Then we would run an analysis on it using a thing called a Cytation 5, which is just a really high precision luminometer. You can see which cells would fluoresce.

Ian Mitchell [00:17:50]: You put a thing called celtite, or glow on it, and it reacts, but only reacts in the presence of ATP. And so you could see what the ATP rates were with a very, very high degree of resolution. So in this case, the only ones that jumped were the ones that were in the block. And we would run this analysis over and over and over. And it was always the same thing. And it was so bizarre because.

Ben Greenfield [00:18:15]: Well, what's that mean, they jumped?

Ian Mitchell [00:18:18]: ATP output would jump 20% to 29%.

Ben Greenfield [00:18:21]: Okay. Okay, got it.

Ian Mitchell [00:18:23]: And it happened pretty much instantly, like, our first time point was at two minutes, and it had already happened. So somewhere between. And my guess is it's probably instantaneous. Because before the two minute mark, it's already happening. Because when I look at the data at the two minute mark, it's already stabilized at an increased rate. And so normal distribution happens on the thing that would be termed stochastic distribution, just kind of a random distribution, except the two that were quantized, and they would instantly jump up. And we did that experiment and tried to drill down over and over and over and over. And it was always the same thing.

Ian Mitchell [00:19:02]: And it just. At first, it kind of. The professor was really kind of incredulous about it at first, like, oh, this is a waste of time. It's not going to work, not going to do anything. Then we got the first set of data, and it was kind of a huh. Head scratch, and then we did it a second time and then a third time. And now it's something that he actually talks to his students about, you know, to explain that there's. There's a quantum function to things that, you know.

Ian Mitchell [00:19:26]: It's not something that we fully understand yet. And maybe, honestly, maybe in our lifetime, maybe we won't be able to drill down on it fully. It might be, you know, some scientist 50 years from now that actually pegs it out. But it is definitively something that's there.

Ben Greenfield [00:19:40]: How far away were you, Philip, when he was sending these photos?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:19:43]: 500 miles.

Ben Greenfield [00:19:45]: What. What went through your head when you saw that, Philip?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:19:49]: Well, that's a good question. Because on one hand, I knew it was gonna work, right? It shouldn't have surprised me at all. But it was still this moment of drum rolls, because it's something new. You had never done this, right? Like this. And just to hear that, wow. Exactly the same thing that we assume would happen, happened.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:20:12]: Just. I mean, I got chills, basically. I was like, well, this is amazing. And that continued, right? Because that same professor in his university lab did five studies in regards to wound healing of human cells. We'll call it recovery of human cells, right? And the same thing. It was double blind and set up in a similar fashion. And the cells healed 46% to 100% faster than all other cells in each of the experiments. So there is no doubt about that, because there were also huge sample sizes. Right.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:21:04]: And just to witness that and that actually, you can measure this on a physical level, this is profound, because we're talking about something that's completely non invasive, right? Something. You don't need to shuffle anything down your throat. You don't need to get a shot for this. You literally just provide the right energetic field and support for these cells, and suddenly they work better. Ian, you have anything to add, maybe, to this wound healing study?

Ian Mitchell [00:21:37]: Just that it was interesting to me that we would plate, again, millions of cells in a petri dish. And then the way this experiment works is we would grow them to confluence, which just basically means that a small sector, they're entirely covered, they're confluent, meaning they covered the entire region. And then they were cut, mechanically cut and marked, so that on a microscope, we could actually gauge every position on them and look at how long it actually took for them to repair the break, which is kind of a common model for how you look at assessment of wounds. So we didn't. That wasn't new. That was just something that we borrowed from other studies that people with that, because it seemed like a pretty good approach, but the results were just shocking to me. I knew that there would be a beneficial effect because we had seen it before, but the rapidity with which the cells became confluent again after they were cut was interesting. I don't know what the tangible result of that would be in a person, but just after looking, we're a conglomeration of all of those different cells put together.

Ian Mitchell [00:22:52]: And when you see it on a very microscopic scale, it really doesn't take much to extrapolate and go, okay, well, if it's getting this effect in a cell, in a couple million cells, it's going to get this effect in a couple billion cells, too. For me, it was intriguing, because the next time I'm hurt, I just wedge my hand in a corner? Month and block.

Ben Greenfield [00:23:16]: Yeah, yeah. And you guys talked about how you see, like, a biological increase in hrv or better sleep or things like that. But here's an interesting question. Have you ever just made, like, a fake necklace with, like, fake beads inside of it, and then put that on somebody and seen if it had a similar effect and they didn't know if they were wearing the quantum charged one or the cheap Walmart knockoff?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:23:38]: Yeah, it would. It would at that point, either have zero effect or just a placebo effect. Right. And that is also.

Ben Greenfield [00:23:46]: It would. Or did you guys actually test this?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:23:49]: No, we have actually done this. So all of the lifeblood analysis studies, you know, for people that don't know what that is. It's also called dark field microscopy, where you look at the blood in real time and you can assess changes. And basically the blood is illuminated and magnified so you can see the actual blood cells and what's actually happening on a granular level in the blood. And in order to run those studies, they were done sham-controlled. That means that you have a device that's actually charged. You know, whether that was the travel block or the heel capsule or the quantum block.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:24:26]: You have one device that's charged, and then you have one that looks exactly the same, but it is not charged. And the test person doesn't know. Right. There's no clue. They don't even know what's happening. And they just get this thing. They are tested before, then they're without , then they're tested with on, and then they're tested again with a device. One would be the sham device, or they get the real device, and then the whole study is just randomized.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:24:58]: So it's happening in a randomized fashion. And you can clearly see that you have some marginal, like, placebo effects with a device that isn't charged, but it's marginal, and you see absolutely significant changes with the real device. So significant that you actually don't even need a large sample size at all, because large sample sizes, in order for something to be statistically significant, you only need if you have marginal improvements. When we're talking about the improvements you see in the blood with our technology, they're not marginal. They're so significant that you can even reverse stage one and stage two of blood clotting within ten minutes. You see such a crazy change in the blood that you couldn't even imagine, really, because it's something where you would usually have to work for months and months in order to get all of that in order. And you can do that even literally within 10-15 minutes.

Ben Greenfield [00:26:01]: Yeah, that's pretty cool. When I go to SunLife Organics in Austin or in LA, one of my favorite smoothie bars, shout out to Khalil, who runs those. They actually have, you probably know this, Philip. They have that quantum block back there behind the smoothie bar, and they're putting their smoothie ingredients into it. And I was with somebody at the bar. They're like, what is that exactly? What does it do? And I was explaining to them some of the things that you guys have elucidated on this podcast already. But is it the actual, like, three gold plates on the top and the three plates on the bottom that are having some kind of like a metal radiating effect on the food? Or is there more to the block than just the components of the physical components of the block itself?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:26:48]: So it actually has almost nothing to do with the material, but almost nothing. It has something to do with it.

Ben Greenfield [00:26:56]: Because, well, you could save a lot of money by making it out of styrofoam.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:27:00]: So it would not work. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that'd be a great idea if it worked like that. But plastic, cotton, glass, styrofoam, none of those would work because they do not hold and transmit quantum energy well at all. So you would need a metal. So that's something you need. You definitely need a metal. And then there's different qualities of different metals.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:27:24]: So gold, for example, would be ideal to use gold, but that, no one could afford that, and we couldn't afford to build these out of gold. So we tested brass, we tested titanium. We tested a lot of different metals. The silver would also be quite good, but also very expensive. So we went with golden sandblasted aluminum, because it's not as heavy as brass, for example. And it's very neutral. It can hold the quantum energy very well. You can ship it well because it's not too heavy.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:27:55]: That's what we use. But again, if you just use these plates and they're not charged, they don't do anything like you can. They don't have an effect. Right. The crab meat experiment would have, like, failed completely if you had used just these plates with nothing in it. So the trick is really how we infuse these plates. And then now you're talking about the SunLife Organic infinity block that they have. They have a large infinity block there with three plates.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:28:27]: So if you have one plate on the bottom, one plate on the top, you have a field. If you have three on the bottom, three on the top, the same charged plates amplify each other. That's an effect that they have in their infinity blocks, for example.

Ben Greenfield [00:28:47]: Okay, got it. Now, what if I were to go to Home Depot? I don't know they have this, and buy some gold-plated aluminum blocks and finagle my own little block together at home, and then get down on my knees and pray over it and sing a really nice song and kind of stand around it for a while and, you know, blast some love frequencies on it, like you and me did once in, Ian, with some chicory root coffee when you're up here. And we were trying to change the flavor of the coffee. What if I did all that, couldn't just make my own quantum block by charging it up with my own positive energy or something like that?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:29:23]: No, that would not be possible. You may feel better because you've done some great praying and all of that. So that's generally a nice thing to do, but yeah, you wouldn't do anything to the plate, so you would then still just have plates there.

Ben Greenfield [00:29:37]: So how do you do it?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:29:39]: So, yeah, so the trick really is that the plates need to be infused with pure and highly concentrated quantum energy in order to create these effects.

Ben Greenfield [00:29:51]: How do you do the infusion?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:29:54]: That's the only secret sauce that we don't share, because we already share quite a lot. So that is, we pull it out of the ether. You know, we can say as much as that. We found a method on how to vibrate the ether, pretty similar understanding that Nikola Tesla had. That he understood exactly how that works, even though he focused just mainly on electricity, and we do not focus at all on electricity, but he had a very good understanding of how the ether works. And you can vibrate the ether in a specific way and literally pull out and concentrate the energy and direct them into objects, and that's what we're doing.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:39]: So if the objects can store energy like that, what if it gets exposed to, like, what if I keep it next to my Wi-Fi router? Would that override the energies that it has in it, and then I'm having an apple with Wi-Fi signals in it?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:30:55]: I'm not sure I understand the question, but if you put a block next to the Wi-Fi router, then the Wi-Fi router wouldn't have any negative effects anymore on your body.

Ben Greenfield [00:31:07]: Well, what I mean is, could you somehow change the energy that the block or the necklace has been infused with if it gets exposed to some kind of energy that overrides that?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:31:18]: Okay, got it. No, you could not do that. Even if you walk through, like, an x-ray machine or something like that, it would just protect you, but it doesn't take on these other energies. What tends to happen, though, is that large amounts of radiation, like 5G, et cetera, they tend to suck out quantum energy out of objects and, frankly, out of people as well. That's one of the detrimental effects that EMFs have. But it would still take a very, very long time, especially if you have something like the capsule. The frequencies would stay in forever, literally, until the brass is just not there anymore. And the quantum energy, you know, I would say, would hold for at least 100, if not 200 years at this point.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:32:08]: I don't know how it looks like when we have 8G and 9G, but with 5G, at least it's still long.

Ian Mitchell [00:32:15]: Yeah. One thing I would recommend, and this kind of speaks to the point of things being taken out of a system. There's a really simple experiment. You can do this with students, with kids, because it really drives the point home. And that's to take water, which has, from my own personal experience, and I would say this scientifically as well, that water actually has force that people don't quite understand in terms of its actual necessity for life. I think there are some components that have been missed here to four, and I think that'll probably be things that science kind of elucidates over the next couple of decades, and some people are starting to kind of hit at it. But a quick experiment you can do is you can boil water on an open flame and then sprout seeds with it, like alfalfa or something like that. You boil it on an open flame, you'll get about 100% of the seeds to sprout.

Ian Mitchell [00:33:06]: If you heat it with either induction or just an electric coil, you probably get 75% to 85% of the seed to sprout. If you microwave it, you'll get zero.

Ben Greenfield [00:33:17]: No way.

Ian Mitchell [00:33:18]: Yeah, do it.

Ben Greenfield [00:33:21]: What's the explanation?

Ian Mitchell [00:33:24]: You've overtaxed the poll. So my particular take on this, and this is probably going to be an unpopular theory for a while, but I think it'll be proven out eventually, is that very often, as people, we kind of give a monkey a brain, he'll think he's the center of the universe. We look at something, we think like, oh, well, I understand that. And the big obstacle to knowledge and understanding isn't really the experimentation and the lack of it being out there and being able to find it. It's thinking that you already understand something. So we as a whole, think we understand water as I don't think we actually do. I think there's a big misconception of it.

Ian Mitchell [00:34:01]: If you look at the electron transport chain at the tail end of it, you have ATP and then carbon dioxide and water, and we just go, oh, well, it's to make ATP. That's the energy currency of the cell. I think that's wrong. I think ATP is a chemical battery, and the actual power comes from the water, and it comes from quantum fluctuations in the water that are then translated into something that we can store. Just like a cell phone, right? You wouldn't say the lithium ion battery is the power? No, it's a storage medium for the power. The power comes from something else, and we simply contain it in that media and charge and discharge through it. And I think the exact same thing applies to water. Water is actually where we're getting the power.

Ian Mitchell [00:34:46]: That's why, by molecular count, you're more than 99% water molecules as compared to everything else in your body, because it's a perfectly distributed power grid, right? You delocalize, you make this very beautiful diasporic power system where everything is spread out, so every part of your body can be energized by, literally quantum fluctuations in a field. And I just don't think we're quite there scientifically to see that, but I think that'll happen. I probably sound heretical, saying that ATP isn't the energy currency of the cells. I just think it's a battery. I think people look at water at the end of that equation and go, oh, yeah, we understand water. And again, nature is very efficient and very wise. If it wanted ATP at the end of the result, and that were really the special sauce, ATP would be the result with no wasted strokes. If, in fact, water is at the end of the equation, it's probably because water is the critical component of the equation.

Ian Mitchell [00:35:46]: And so I think when you put it in a microwave and you overtax it, because a microwave heats things by literally fluctuating the hydrogen bond angle against the oxygen, right? So it's fluctuating, and that little bit of motion causes thermal emissiveness. And that's how a microwave heats things, is from the release of thermal energy, just from little fluctuations in the field of the hydrogen bonds. And so when you overtax it, you simply, like, break it for a little while so that it can't flux, and that flux can't be used to charge anything. So when you try and sprout something with it, it is effectively asleep. And I won't say dead, because I really think it's more of a dormant function, because you can run water. And this is one of the amazing things about water. You can restructure it, you can revitalize it, and it will become a perfect source again, and will have vibrance and the capacity to produce things. Right.

Ian Mitchell [00:36:42]: And that's, that's another experiment. You can actually take that water that won't sprout anything, then run it through something like a block. We could put it in infinity block, and then do it again and sprout, you know, and that's, that's, that's one of those things that I think in the future, science will focus a lot more on looking at subtle quantum fluctuations and things, and they're actually macroscopic outcroppings.

Ben Greenfield [00:37:07]: Yeah. It makes me want to see some kind of experiment where you'd have to have it in a pretty controlled scenario in which people eat only microwaved food for a year, and then another group doesn't. And you actually look at nutrient bioavailability and do some blood tests for vitamins and minerals and see if there's any difference. I don't know if there would be, but.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:37:25]: Well, those people may be dead after for a year, so that you may not even be able to ask them any questions.

Ben Greenfield [00:37:32]: I've been through four years in college microwaving everything, but I would have felt better if I didn't. So I don't want to go. Well, I don't want to confuse people by going too far down this rabbit hole. But I'm just curious if ATP is not necessarily the primary energy currency and the electrical fluctuation of water throughout the body is, isn't there energy release? I'm just thinking back to college chemistry and I might bastardized this, but if you split that phosphate, because you got three phosphate molecules and you split them, it was my understanding that there is a release of heat and energy that allows for something like a muscle contraction or a metabolic reaction to take place. So the ATP is necessary, right?

Ian Mitchell [00:38:15]: Oh, 100% it's necessary. And I think it's actually more efficient than the way we do chemical battery storage because it allows it to be recycled and to recharge. And so, again, nature. Uber efficient, right? Far better than what we put together with inorganic battery structures. It actually allows it to be recycled, just like glutathione, right? You can use it. You can cycle it, you can reuse it. You can cycle it, you can reuse it. ATP is brilliant.

Ian Mitchell [00:38:41]: I'm not saying that it isn't a gem of a component. I'm just saying I think the. The idea of saying that's where the actual energy comes from is a misnomer.

Ben Greenfield [00:38:51]: Okay, yeah, that makes sense. And I'm actually reading Gerald Pollack's new book on electrical charges and how they're responsible for the flight of birds and gravity and the fluctuations of the ocean a whole lot more. So I'm kind of a little bit into this myself. I don't know if that book has been published yet, but I am going to keep track of this and all the other podcasts that we've done on quantum in the podcast show notes, which are going to be at bengreedenfieldlife.com/quantumquestions. That's bengreedfieldlife.com/quantumquestions. So, speaking of questions, here's another one. So I'm standing at the smoothie bar, and I'm watching him put, like, all the ingredients into the block and now you guys have told me about that ATP study from afar. Why couldn't you just, like, not sell them the block and just say, hey, we're just gonna blast all your fruits and vegetables and coconut meat and, you know, overpriced colostrum and everything from, you know, 500 miles away, because it would.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:39:47]: Be a little bit too difficult to do. So we could indeed blast, like, the whole thing, but it would be too much, the energy would be too high for the people there. And so in that case, you would focus the highly concentrated, the fashion, on just the substances you want to get charged. So having a block in that case is ideal. And you actually couldn't do it with a quantum upgrade also. I mean, we could do it in a way, but it's not set up for any user to do it. So you would indeed need a physical block, because the charging, unless it's water or tea or something like that, then also you could put the glass next to it and it gets some charge, because water is so receptive to energy. But to get the full charge and to also charge denser objects, you know, like, I don't know, like a carrot or something like that, you would need to actually put it inside the block, because that's where the actual powerhouse is.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:40:52]: You know, the. The center of the energy, if you will.

Ben Greenfield [00:40:55]: Or have someone working there as a full time job to take a photograph of each bowl, send it to you, and you've got somebody full time on the other end charging it up with your special technology over there. I mean, I'm kind of joking, but theoretically, absolutely, you can do it, right?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:41:09]: Exactly. Yeah, you're right. There would be ways to do it that way. Obviously, it's way easier if you just have a block.

Ben Greenfield [00:41:18]: Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Okay, so when it comes to, you know, the necklace and the block, hopefully, people are kind of wrapping their heads around this, but now. Yeah, underwear that didn't. I didn't even plan this. I'm actually wearing, I'm not gonna pull my pants down, I guess you guys don't even know if I'm wearing pants right now. I'm wearing underwear.

Ben Greenfield [00:41:42]: What's up with the underwear?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:41:43]: Yeah, thanks for bringing that up. Indeed. And I wear one, too right now. I'm also not going to show it, but I played tennis earlier, and I pretty much always wear these when I travel, when I do sports, and many other situations. So that's a combination of two things. We use some specific silver fabric that's 99.99% pure, and it literally blocks EMF with over, I think, 99.9% tested and certified by the European Institute to actually repel EMF. But what's so different with our underwear than any other you could get? It is charged with our technology. And also, that's why was the reason there's only the silver at the crotch.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:42:42]: Right. It's not all over. One reason is because an underwear should be comfortable. Right. You don't want to wear something that just, you know, rubs, I don't know, on your thigh or something like that. It needs to be comfortable. Then at the crotch, you have some extra protection and the silver can hold and transmit quantum energy very well. So when it's charged with our tech, literally there's a field around it.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:43:10]: And so in this whole area, you have then supportive quantum energy that does quite amazing things. So we're currently running a study. It's a pilot study, but still. And another study where we're analyzing sperm quality, sperm quantity, testosterone levels, pretty much everything in regards to men's health. And out of the pilot study, we can report there was already one person that doubled the sperm count within, I think it was a month and a half or two months of wearing the underwear. So that's not statistically significant at that point, but it's some nice, interesting first results. And, yeah, so that's pretty much the idea to mitigate emfs around here. We know that testosterone levels have decreased since 1969 in all mammals, frankly, significantly.

Ben Greenfield [00:44:08]: That's because of quantum cornflakes.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:44:11]: The false quantum cornflakes, because we could actually make real quantum cornflakes. You sparked an idea. We won't do that, I think. But no, that's the idea about the underwear. To wear something that protects you, helps you, but it's still super comfortable, so you can wear it all the time, and it can mitigate some of these detrimental effect. Right. Think of the. My phone lives in my pocket usually, and I think that's what most men do.

Ben Greenfield [00:44:42]: Right.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:44:43]: We put it right here. That's just the worst spot to put it in if you're not taking care of some form of protection.

Ben Greenfield [00:44:51]: Yeah, yeah. I put mine in my bra. But still, it's an important consideration. I'm joking. So, with the silver in the underwear, I recently interviewed these guys from a company called NADS, and they said that the skin of the scrotum is thin enough. Where you do need to be concerned about things like metal and synthetic fabric. Absorption or chemical absorption in the thin skin of the scrotum is the way that you're designing the underwear or the nature of the silver.

Ben Greenfield [00:45:22]: Taking that into account.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:45:24]: Yeah, I mean, we have specialists working on this, and to our knowledge, there isn't any issue, at least, with the underwear that we're using and how it's designed. Everyone can also just feel that, because I don't want to say the name, but there is other underwear out there as well that you can try, or have tried maybe in the past, that's. That has this silver, and literally, it rubs like. I mean, I get a red thigh by wearing that stuff. And it also is weird after you washed it and all of that, you can tell there's something physically rubbing. And I could imagine that, yeah, you're taking that on through the skin as well.

Ben Greenfield [00:46:09]: Interesting. So we've got the underwear, we've got the jewelry, and we have the block. And then you have the ability to be able to send these energies from afar to a physical location, like a home. And actually, we talked in detail about that in our last podcast. Philip, are there any other technologies, from a quantum standpoint, that you guys think are low hanging fruit here that could give people some kind of an advantage?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:46:34]: Well, I mean, we're constantly looking into ways on how to expand the product portfolio. If there's something to gain for the people. Right. Is there something where they can have an additional benefits? I think one thing we should mention for the ones that have nothing heard about us ever, we work a lot with frequencies, because the quantum technology and quantum energy, that's one side of the house, but the other side is really to use specific frequencies that can promote specific changes and benefits, and we can combine it with our technology. So we develop a lot of molecular frequencies. Those are based on specific molecular substances. It could be as easy as from a healing plan or from a vitamin C pill or something like that, needs to be a physical substance. We also can work with all kinds of other frequencies, like etheric frequencies, sound frequencies, and so on.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:47:34]: And so if you can see, if you have video on, you see my water bottle here? This is the Leela Quantum Tech water bottle. And you see Ben's necklace, right? That's the heal capsule. Both of these items are charged not just with quantum energy, but also with the most important vitamins and minerals for the human body in frequency form. And so when you put the water in, or if you wear the capsule, you not only have just the regular, like, EMF mitigation from the quantum energy, you also have these nutrients as information in your field, and you can leverage it that way. So we have tons of other frequencies, and we don't need to get into the details, but I think that's an important factor. Right. That we can infuse those. And by the way, the next thing will most likely be that our clothing items will additionally be infused with our new heal 360 frequency.

Ben Greenfield [00:48:36]: Oh, I thought you were going to say you're going to infuse the underwear with sildenafil or viagra or something like that.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:48:41]: Well, that may actually be a niche that we could play in. Yeah, that's right.

Ian Mitchell [00:48:49]: Interesting.

Ben Greenfield [00:48:49]: Yeah. Yeah. You know, this leads me to think back to a conversation we had that I still need a little bit of clarity on, that I'm often asked about. Isn't there a way to put, I might bastardize the explanation here, but, like, put an item into the block and then put a different item into the block, and it somehow passes the frequency from one item to another.

Ian Mitchell [00:49:11]: Yes.

Ben Greenfield [00:49:12]: Explain to me how that works.

Ian Mitchell [00:49:14]: Going right now in the other room here at the lab doing that exact thing.

Ben Greenfield [00:49:19]: Okay, tell me about it.

Ian Mitchell [00:49:20]: So, yeah, this actually, this stemmed from the first time I had seen this. It was kind of a, it was sort of a comedy of errors. And it was Todd Shipman, again, had sage in an infinity block. And the infinity block actually seems really good at doing this, but he had left it in there for over a day, and then he took it out and put a glass of milk in, and when he drank it, it tasted like sage. He was like, oh, my God, what is wrong with this? When it was because it copied the frequency and then transmitted it into the other.

Ben Greenfield [00:49:58]: It wasn't an Ayurvedic cow.

Ian Mitchell [00:50:00]: No.

Ben Greenfield [00:50:01]: Okay.

Ian Mitchell [00:50:02]: Exactly. Not an Ayurvedic cow. Yeah, the Brahmin cow. So the idea. I started thinking about it. I thought, well, okay, from what I know, that book that I used to have on my required reading list, Life on the Edge, it talks about how they've done experiments with flies where they genetically modify the flies so that they can pick up deuterium, as opposed to hydrogen in terms of the smell. They would take these deuterated compounds and see which flies would move towards one or the other. And what they found was the flies were able to tell, even though the molecular level looked identical.

Ian Mitchell [00:50:39]: Right. The vibratory level was different. And so the flies were, in effect, smelling a difference between two things that had the same molecular structure, and so they could pick up ascent from the vibration. And so that tells us that there's a high probability that olfaction is actually a vibratory function, that the lock and key mechanism and all that stuff is actually secondary, just like it is with histamine. And that the primary driver is a fluctuation in a field that we are actually picking up. And the same thing applies to taste as well. So gustation and olfaction are very probably both things that happen at a fluctuating level for quantum fields. Then those cascade up and become tangible expressions that we pick up with different receptors and sensors.

Ian Mitchell [00:51:31]: When I saw that, I thought, huh, well, how many other things can we do this with? So that's the experiment we're doing that on, is that, and I will say one of the other low hanging fruit things that comes to mind for me is vitamins. And that's because of the experiment that we did three years ago where we saw such a shift in zinc and vitamin D and vitamin C, where all the redox potentials were changed. And the weird part about that, and Philip, I know you did this with another chemist, at another laboratory too, and they got the same result. The crazy bit about it is the redox potential doesn't just shift in one direction, it always shifts in the direction that is most conducive for human physiology. Maybe if I were using this with the intent being on horses, maybe it would have shifted for equine biology, I don't really know. But I can tell you definitively that whether it moves up or down, it always moved in the way that was most conducive towards having a more profound impact biologically, which that's the part where it sounds a little woo woo, but after you've seen it enough, you're like, okay, I don't quite get it, but it's obviously a thing, and that's just the way it is. And what I would tell people is, as a scientist, you have to be agnostic to the outcome of the experiment. If you drop an apple a thousand times and it hits the ground, 999, in one of those, it stays hovering in the air.

Ian Mitchell [00:53:02]: The way we're basically taught to do things is if we throw that out and say that's a statistical aberration, disallow it and look at the primary part of the grouping, I can see that. But if the apple's floating, figure out what the hell is happening, why is the apple hovering in the air? And a lot of this data, when I see these results, I'm like, okay, I obviously don't understand what's really happening here, but I'm going to pull the thread. And I think that's the part about being real with the science, is there are other companies I've seen, because I've tested things for intelligent threats and some other companies and I'm seeing definitive results. So it is truly something that is going to be on the forefront. And there are these companies that are classed as a little weird and a little woo woo and kind of out there. And some of it is. There's actually one of the things I had in the lab is this book called Quantum Bullshit because it's about a professor outlining a lot of things that are just that they're total BS. But the problem is it's kind of a baby in bathwater situation.

Ian Mitchell [00:54:06]: There's a lot of it that's absolutely accurate, that's quantifiable, that's repeatable, and we've done that. And so now you have to go, okay, yeah, I get that they're the guys selling quantum cornflakes, but there's also a group of people like Philip that are purveyors of stuff that's actually making a difference in helping people. So that's why I try to pull that thread and go, okay, I'm going to give it my best effort to try and discern what's really happening. And even if I never really completely pull it off, I can at least move the ball down the road a little bit and get it closer, farther down the field so that somebody else can pick it up and run with it. Because so much of science is genuinely standing on the shoulders of giants. You work to do something, you pick it up, you take off from where other people left off, and then you just try and move it forward. Because no matter how good your science is, a thousand years from now, assuming we survive, the stuff that I'm doing, even if it's the most cutting edge, kick ass cool stuff, is going to seem laughable and silly and stupid to people a thousand years from now.

Ben Greenfield [00:55:14]: Right? And if a cow takes a dump in an infinity block, that's quantum bullshit. Right? So actually that is related to a question I did want to ask here from a practical standpoint. If somebody has.

Ian Mitchell [00:55:27]: How long did it take you to come up with that joke? Man, that's epic.

Ian Mitchell [00:55:32]: He's been getting on that for, like an hour, probably.

Ben Greenfield [00:55:35]: So if I have one of these blocks, if I got one of these blocks in my house, I want to try this thing out. Let's say I want to make lemon water. If I put a lemon inside the block, how long would I leave it in there? And then when I take it out and I put the water in, how long do I leave the water in there, or do I put the water in? Well, the lemons still are.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:55:53]: Yeah, you put it in together, and depending on which block you have, I'm assuming you have an infinity block. I don't know if you have the latest version, the upgraded one, if we ever sent you the booster capsule to upgrade it. If not, let me know. We'll do that. But 30 seconds would already be enough. If it's an infinity block.

Ben Greenfield [00:56:13]: How do you know which way it's going to go? The water into the lemon or the lemon into the water?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:56:18]: It pretty much goes both ways, but with the water, it doesn't really, in that specific scenario, wouldn't do much, because you have water in the lemon already, and the water gets optimized energetically on both sides. But if you use, let's say, frankincense and chocolate. Right. You would literally get both frequencies into both substances at the same time, though, while you're doing that, the chocolate that, let's say, the. The potentially harmful parts of the chocolate get harmonized. That's one other thing that was found by a study in Germany at a clinic. They tested sugar, and you cannot be allergic to sugar, but you can have a stress response to sugar. And it was shown, I think they showed a 50% to 75% reduction in stress response when they charged the sugar in the block for three minutes.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:57:24]: And that was still, like an older version of the infinity block. So if you did it nowadays with the upgraded infinity block, you know, I would expect even better results. That's quite remarkable. So if you eat chocolate like I do, I love it. Then just put it in the block.

Ben Greenfield [00:57:44]: Yeah. That's interesting. All my friends gonna be getting frankincense infused chocolate for Christmas now. It's a great idea.

Ian Mitchell [00:57:50]: There's a group that I work with in California that had kind of an interesting experiment that they did, and I thought this was actually pretty brilliant. Are you guys familiar with miracle fruit?

Ben Greenfield [00:58:00]: You mean, like, the stuff that you eat and it makes bitter things taste sweet?

Ian Mitchell [00:58:04]: Yeah. So the guys that I work with in California, they've got a medical clinic there, and the MD who runs it, and then the fellow who runs a microscopy, they took miracle fruit and they burned the frequency of the fruit, using a device in the lab, into a card. So they imprinted just a stainless steel card with the frequency of miracle fruit. And this is. It's very cool experiment, that they would put vinegar in a wine glass, and you could taste the vinegar and taste just like vinegar. And then they would take the stainless card, and they tap the glass with the card, and then you taste it again and it's sweet.

Ben Greenfield [00:58:42]: That's crazy. And by the way, I have miracle fruit, the little tablets. And I have those cards that Philip sent me, so I could actually try this.

Ian Mitchell [00:58:49]: Yeah, if you could burn it in, do it. They're using an electronic piece of equipment, but it's just, it's a really, it's an awesome experiment, and it's so profound when you taste that difference that you know that that is not a placebo effect. There's a lot of this stuff that it's great. Like the experiment we did with todd on stage where when you see it firsthand, you go, okay, I may not understand it, but it's a thing. It's a real thing, and it warrants further investigation. At least that's always my take with this, is pull the thread, see where it leads you.

Ben Greenfield [00:59:19]: Yeah, it's just super interesting. I'm sure people are going to have all sorts of additional questions. And again, the show notes are going to be at bengreenfieldlife.com/quantumquestions. Anything else that you guys want to throw in there while I have you on the show, as far as any myths or truths or any other interesting information about how to use this stuff.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:59:39]: So I think you can look up the research on our website. We're very transparent, everyone that's interested. By now, we have over 60 different studies that were done. Over 48 of those placebo controlled, randomized, blinded studies in a lot of different fields, most of them actually done with humans, which is, I think, quite unique and remarkable, then a lot of those with actually human cell cultures. And the one thing we didn't do that much in the past was to actually focus on animals. However, you can help animals quite significantly with this technology as well. There was something done in the past, but right now there's a huge study going on that I think every human will be interested in for their own sake, but also for their dogs and cats. It's a study run by the BESA Institute in Austria, together with two independent veterinarians there.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [01:00:43]: One of them actually being the probably most known veterinarian in all of Austria. She's published twelve books, and it's very, very comprehensive. They look at, they have a control group, they have a treated group, they do the BESA system analysis, they do lifeblood analysis, and they do, quote unquote, Western veterinarian medicine diagnostics. Plus, on top of that, interviews with the owners of the pets, and there's actually a lot of sick pets involved as well, and the results, the study is not finished yet, but everything so far is absolutely remarkable up to the point where there was a dog that's half-paralyzed, that was half-paralyzed. They even thought about putting, putting the dog down because that was just unbearable. After a month of treatment, that dog is running again. And the first reaction after that, when he started doing that, he ran in circles. Literally, he ran.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [01:01:57]: He started running in circles because there was such a rush in energy. And probably the dog just got so happy that he could finally move again and just ran in circles. Just ran in circles and then stopped. And the dog is fine and is running. So there's some amazing stories, and I can't wait for that study also to be published because, again, it. It covers a lot of ground. It covers also the Western medicine diagnostics and all of that. And people need to understand that, yeah, there's quantum bullshit out there, right? And that is just because, you know, you can't see it with your physical eyes.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [01:02:39]: Right. And then, yeah, people can tell you something. But that's why we put so much effort and so much money into these studies to actually show what's possible. Because the real pure quantum energy that we work with is a building block of life. We need to understand that it's something we are made of. It's literally in each of our cells, and we need it. And yeah, we can optimize our physical well-being by all these physical things, but if we also take care of our biofield, then we're way more comprehensive. Right? So that's what people need to understand.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [01:03:21]: Building block of life.

Ben Greenfield [01:03:22]: Yes. Yeah. Well, send me that pet research. First of all, I'd be interested to put that in the show notes and then keep that stuff far away from my dog Dasher, because he does not need any more energy. His head will be this tasmanian devil. You guys, this has been really great, and you've answered a lot of my questions and hopefully a lot of other people's questions, too. So again, the show notes are going to be at bengreenfieldlife.com/quantumquestions. And over there, I'll also link to, gosh, like, two or three other episodes I've done with Philip in which we've also taken a dive into this stuff, as well as a few other podcasts I've done with.

Ben Greenfield [01:03:59]: I'm just going to call you Philip sidekick. I am. So anyways, you guys, thank you so much.

Ian Mitchell [01:04:04]: Happy to do it, Ben.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [01:04:05]: Thanks so much for having us on.

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