Six-Egg Breakfasts, Ketosis For Bodybuilders, Resetting Weed Tolerance, Kratom Experimentation & Much More With The Mindpump Guys!

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Meet the guys from MindPump podcast

For the second time, the hosts Sal, Adam, Justin and Doug traveled all the way up from San Jose to descend upon my my house in Spokane, Washington to record this podcast.

Our previous episodes include:

The Mysterious Micro-Workouts, Turning On Your Butt, Overdosing With Melatonin & More With The MindPump Guys.

The Kuwait Muscle-Building Phenomenon, The Too-Much-Protein Myth, Anabolic Triggering Sessions & More With The MindPump Podcast Crew.

These guys claim to “pull back the curtain on the mythology, snake oil and pseudo-science that pervades the fitness industry and present science-backed solutions that result in increased muscular development and performance while simultaneously emphasizing health.”

And as you can see below, they seem to have the body composition and transformation equation pretty well figured out. They include:

Sal DiStefano…

Sal was 14 years old when he touched his first weight and from that moment he was hooked. Growing up asthmatic, frequently sick and painfully skinny, Sal saw weightlifting as a way to change his body and his self-image. In the beginning, Sal’s body responded quickly to his training but then his gains slowed and then stopped altogether. Not one to give up easily, he began reading every muscle building publication he could get his hands on to find ways to bust through his plateau. He read Arnold’s Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding, Mentzer’s Heavy Duty, Kubrick’s Dinosaur Training, and every muscle magazine he could find; Weider’s Muscle and Fitness, Flex, Iron Man and even Muscle Media 2000. Each time he read about a new technique or methodology he would test it out in the gym. At age 18 his passion for the art and science of resistance training was so consuming that he decided to make it his profession and become a personal trainer. By 19 he was managing health clubs and by 22 he owned his own gym. After 17 years as a personal trainer he has dedicated himself to bringing science and TRUTH to the fitness industry.

Adam Schafer…

Adam Schafer is a IFBB men's physique Pro and fitness expert. Adam made his entrance into the fitness world 14 years ago and has continued to send shock waves throughout the community ever since. He is a man of many talents who wears many hats. He is first and foremost a certified fitness expert who has an insatiable desire to help people in need of major lifestyle changes and daily accountable motivation. He is also incredibly driven entrepreneur and business minded individual with a vision that continually challenges his colleagues and peers to think bigger and achieve more.

Justin Andrews…

Justin has an incredible passion to disrupt the personal training industry and create ground breaking programs and tools that fitness professionals and clients alike can benefit from. The fitness industry in general needs a massive face lift to speak more to the generation growing up with a more advanced technology tool kit. Justin’s approach is to create programs that utilize technology as it advances and cut through the millions of options people face everyday when seeking specific information relating to their fitness needs. The great thing about where we are today is how easy it is to access information, the bad part about accessing all this information is how much misinformation is out there to weed through. As a health and fitness professional with a proven track record here in the heart of the Silicon Valley, Justin Andrews will keep working tirelessly to keep people educated and connected to quality personal trainers long into the future.

Doug Egge…

Doug received his first gym membership as a gift from his dad when he was 16 years old. Rocky III had just come out and he was determined to build a body like Stallone. It never happened. Despite following the advice of muscle magazines and busting his butt in the gym, Doug saw minimal gains over the next 30 years. Then he was introduced to Sal Di Stefano by his chiropractor who recommended he work with Sal to eliminate muscle imbalances that were causing lower back issues. Sal's unique approach, often 180 degrees different from what Doug had read in books and magazines, produced more results in a matter of months than he had experienced in the 30 years prior. Doug with an extensive marketing and media production background, recognized Sal's unique gift and perspective was missing from the fitness world and suggested that they should join forces. Doug and Sal have since produced life-altering programs such as the No BS 6-Pack Formula and MAPS Anabolic. Doug is very pleased to have the opportunity to work with Adam and Justin as Producer of MindPump.

During our discussion, you'll discover:

-The craziest biohacks in Ben's office…[5:35]

-Why Adam has six eggs for breakfast, along with tons of avocados and bacon, and how his body responded to that when he switched to it from a “high carb” bodybuilding diet…[17:40]

-What Adam recommends for stacking with testosterone to avoid things like man boobs and excess estrogen…[24:30]

-The difference between THC strains now and THC strains of long ago…[31:40]

-The seven secret ingredients in Ben's go-to custom sleep edible that he makes…[33:25]

-Why Sal uses a special form of broccoli in his go-to meal, and what it does to his body…[40:00]

-Which produce to buy organic, and which not to worry about buying organic…[53:35]

-The unconventional, go-to travel workouts each guy from Mindpump uses to stay fit when on the road…[54:25]

-What you can mix with THC or Kratom to make either of these plant-based medicines far more potent…[46:40]

-What is the newest MAPS program and how does it work? [61:15]

-The most shocking, intriguing, and interesting things the guys from Mindpump have learned from previous podcast guests this year…[71:15]

-A special way to “reboot” your tolerance to weed…[73:15]

-And much more!

Resources from this episode:

My podcast with Kevin Rose about fine chocolate

Fit Vine Wine

Mexican sea salt

Normatec boots

Halo Neuro Photobiomodulation therapy

Marcpro Electrostimulation Device


Human charger

Ben's custom nighttime CBD blend

Rhonda Patrick's video on “How To Increase Sulforaphane in Broccoli Sprouts by ~3.5-fold”

Japanese yam noodles (Miracle Noodles)

Grapefruit seed extract


Hypersphere vibration therapy ball

Kettlebell lifestyle

The Halo Sport for TDCS/Motor Cortex priming

Videos of Adam training with his clubs and tension stick “Axon” on Instagram

Steven Kotler's “Stealing Fire” book

Dr. Terry Wahl's “Wahl's Protocol” book

The special form of neurofeedback that reduces weed tolerance

The Mindpump podcast with Zach Bitter

The Mindpump podcast with Brent Mccabe

The Mindpump MAPS Anywhere training programs

The Mindpump MAPS Prime training programs

The training/tension stick that Justin is developing to train and quantify muscle tension

Ben Greenfield's podcast with Mindpump: Biohacking Fitness Icon & NY Times Best Selling Author – Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth.

Ben Greenfield's podcast with Mindpump: Elevating Testosterone Levels, Achieving Epic Erections, Benefits of Swimming Naked, Worthless Fitness Products, Raising Health Conscious Kids & More.

The Mysterious Micro-Workouts, Turning On Your Butt, Overdosing With Melatonin & More With The MindPump Guys.

The Kuwait Muscle-Building Phenomenon, The Too-Much-Protein Myth, Anabolic Triggering Sessions & More With The MindPump Podcast Crew.

-Recipes mentioned during this episode:

Sal's recipe:


-Boil a large bushel of rapini until well cooked. Drain the water and add olive oil liberally.
-Can of sardines.
-Avocado with sea salt and olive oil drizzled over it.

Justin's recipe:

-Bell peppers (red and yellow)
-Green onions
-2 boiled Whole eggs
-1 egg yolk
-Olive oil (liberal)
-MCT oil (1 tablespoon)
-Apple cider vinegar (2 tablespoons)

Adam's recipe:

-4-6 whole organic eggs
-1 oz organic cheese
-1 avocado
-8-10 pieces of bacon
-1 cup spinach
-Diced bell peppers

Do you have questions, thoughts or feedback for the the guys from MindPump or me? Leave your comments below and one of us will reply!

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24 thoughts on “Six-Egg Breakfasts, Ketosis For Bodybuilders, Resetting Weed Tolerance, Kratom Experimentation & Much More With The Mindpump Guys!

  1. First off I want to say great blog! I had a quick question that I’d like to

    ask if you do not mind. I was interested to know how you center yourself and clear your mind before writing.

    I’ve had trouble clearing my mind in getting my ideas out.

    I do enjoy writing but it just seems like the first 10 to 15 minutes are generally lost just trying to figure out how to begin. Any recommendations or hints?


  2. Steve says:

    Great recipe for the “Ben’s custom nighttime CBD blend”. As far as dosage, how much of the magical butter do you take; 1 teaspoon, 1 tablespoon, other? Thank you Ben — one of the best episodes so far!

    1. About a tablespoon size…

  3. Chris Fish Fischetti says:

    Awesome info and all your podcast are “super” informative and all with interesting guesses … I heard your pumping some OnIt product/stuff .. when or have you been on Joe Rogans pod cast – you will pick up a lot of followers … I found you through some other searching I was top Pro Athlete …And for 30 years, I have battled and beat Lymes & have a protocol that is very interesting. I know some of your info would help everyone that has this weird disease.

    Ch ris

  4. Jeanenne says:

    No apologies necessary for saying “butt load”, Ben. It’s a real thing. According to I’m a Useless Info Junkie, “Butt” was a medieval unit of measurement for wine. Technically, a “butt-load” of wine is 129 gallons.

  5. Clint says:

    What was the discount code they mentioned in the podcast? I loved the podcast but don’t want to sift through the entire thing for the code again.

      1. Clint says:

        I thought I remember them mentioning a discount for one of their MAPS products. I coukd have easily heard wrong. Maybe they mentioned it on their podcast where you were the guest.

  6. Katie says:

    Best one yet!

  7. Alex says:

    I love when you guys get together. Ben, you are such a wealth of knowledge, I take notes during your shows more so then any other. You introduced me to the Mind Pump guys and they are my favorite resource when it comes to exercise, I implement some of the methods they talk about. Ever since I started doing Trigger Sessions, I’ve noticed a big difference in muscle tone and recovery. Your show and Mind Pump are the highlight podcasts of my week.

    1. Thanks so much for the feedback Alex! It's great to hear.

  8. Michael says:

    Can you do a recipe video on your sleep edible? Do you think it would have the same effect if you made that without the cannabis?

    1. The video was on Snapchat, and only lasts 24 hours, so it's always best you follow me there if you want the nitty-gritty behind the scenes stuff, but otherwise I did post the recipe and method here:… hope that helps.

  9. John says:

    Any discounts for listeners on the MAPS programs?

  10. Miro says:

    Testosterone users not natural as you advocate?

  11. Lou Cionni says:

    Hello Ben,

    Can you get that psilocybin extract you mentioned right at beginning of podcast anywhere living in the US? Sounds like something I’d like to try.

    Love the Podcast, enjoyed this episode alot.

    Thank you.

    Lou Cionni

    1. Kinda flies under the radar right now, so no. Easy enough to hunt for shrooms in your local area, then dry and encapsulate them though.

      1. Steve says:

        How many grams of dried psilocybin would one use as a microdose (.2g – .5g)? Many thanks!

        1. Hey Steve, firstly, I am not a doctor and nothing I say should be taken as medical advice. A typical microdose tends to be 0.2 up to 2 g depending on a person's tolerance.

  12. ben ben says:

    Hi Ben,

    I just ordered reishi elixer and mushroom coffee due to your amazing mushroom podcast.

    I rarely eat mushrooms and I’m not sure how to mitigate side effect if I’m allergic to it. Any suggestions how to test it to find out if I’m allergic/intolerant to mushrooms?

    Love your podcasts.

    1. Yep. Cyrex is the "gold standard" for food allergy testing for sure!

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