How I’ve Been Able To Gorge On Delicious Gluten-Filled Foods Without Feeling Like I Swallowed A Pair Of Motor-Powered Scissors Tearing Up My Intestines.

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I've been getting a lot of questions lately about the mysterious molecule I consume before I eat bread and pasta – a compound that allows me to digest gluten without any of the “bathroom decommissioning” that so notoriously occurs after a hefty bout of gluten consumption.

After all, I don't want to not eat bread or pasta for the rest of my life. I find them enjoyable.

But due to glyphosate exposure from pesticides and herbicides, stress, a leaky gut and other modern assailants that make gluten a bigger issue than it ever has been in human history, I use a bit of better living through science to make gluten digestible.

In today's podcast, I interview the inventors of Gluten Guardian – Matt Gallant and Wade Lightheart – the guys who first appeared in the podcast “Probiotic Enemas, Digestive Enzyme Myths, Breathing 10 Kilograms of Oxygen, Low-Protein Diets & More!” and later in my article “How To Take Digestive Enzymes“.

Matt Gallant is an entrepreneur, a poker champion, an ex-rock guitarist, a serial entrepreneur (who's built 13 companies in the last 20 years) strength and conditioning coach with a degree in kinesiology, the CEO and co-founder of a company called BiOptimizers.

Wade T. Lightheart, host of the AWESOME Health Podcast, 3-time All Natural National Bodybuilding Champion, advisor to the American Anti-Cancer Institute and Cofounder of BiOptimizers. He is also the author of several books including the best-selling books, “Staying Alive in a Toxic World” and “The Wealthy Backpacker.”

During our discussion, you'll discover:

-Why Matt eats between 6-10,000 calories every Sunday…7.36

  • For the calorie spike.
    • One meal per day for 6 days.
    • A combo of healthy and regular food.
    • Matt feels great afterwards.
    • He takes the day off from training.

-Why we should be cognizant of our gluten intake, even if we don't have celiac disease…10:30

  •  New England Journal of Medicine listed 55 diseases that can be caused by eating gluten.
  • Many times we're not aware of these diseases; can be immune, neurological and psychiatric.
  • Differences between wheat germ in the gluten and gluten itself.
    • Different type of protein.
    • Both are resistant to digestion.
    • Can make the gut more permeable. (Leaky gut)
  • Amylase/trypsin inhibitors come packaged with gluten – specifically wheat.
  • What about other factors to leaky gut such as stress and glyphosate.
    • 4x increase in celiac disease; traced to glyphosate interrupting the digestive process.
    • Will continue to increase due to the exposure to glyphosate.

 -The use of enzymes in the preparation of food to increase its palatability…18:10

  • In a perfect world, you'd be eating pre-digested food primarily.
  • You use enzymes to assist with breaking food down.

-Do Matt and Wade recommend any panels for evaluating gluten sensitivity or gluten cross-reactivity?…20:30

  • Anti-tissue transglutaminase or endomysial antibody.
  • Recommend Cyrex.
  • Helps you know if other foods such as coffee or quinoa are exacerbating your level of gluten intolerance.
  • Also testing gliad and peptide antibodies.

How does gluten negatively affect the brain?…24:00

  • Inflames the brain by causing an auto-immune response.
    • Antibodies intended to protect your body actually attack your body.
  • During the digestive process, gluten can be broken down into proteins similar to psychedelic drugs.
    • Has an addictive quality.
  • Overloads the brain with glutamate.
    • Irritates and damages brain cells.
  • Negative impact on your social life.

-What Wade REALLY thinks about Monsanto…29:50

  • They were written into protection against lawsuits by federal law during the previous administration.
  • Demonstrable evidence of their products causing damage to the body.
  • Has been bought out by Bayer.
  • Food has essentially been mutated, much to our detriment.
  • Destroy livelihoods of small farmers.

-The product Matt uses to pre-digest gluten before you even eat it…37:00

  • Dipeptidyl peptidase 4, also DPP-4.
  • Dissolves bread placed in water in 15 minutes (watch the video below)
  • You take it while you eat.
  • Does DPP-4 actually mitigate symptoms of gluten intolerance?
    • Depends on the dosage.
    • Can be taken as late as the day after eating.
  • Citrusy foods have been found to inhibit DPP-4
    • Breaks down various hormones in the body such as insulin.

-Does DPP-4 have any effect on foods not containing gluten?…45:00

  • Milk proteins, but not milk sugars like lactose.
  • Good idea to add DPP-4 if you have a plant-based diet.
  • Just mix and match until you find the right combination for you, and for the right meals.
  • Safe for children to ingest.

-More on Matt and Wade's diet and workout regimen…49:50

-How do HCL and hydrochloric acid work with Gluten Guardian?…54:55

  • Plays a supportive role
  • Stomach acid decreases after the age of 35
  • Simulates the effects of apple cider vinegar
  • P3-OM 
    • Optimal time to take is before bed or first thing in the morning, rather than meal time.

-Matt plays “myth busters” with colonizing properties of probiotics…58:41

-Special offer from Matt and Wade…1:04:15

  • Get 10% off your order of Gluten Guardian when you use code: GREENFIELD at
  • 365-day unconditional money-back guarantee
  • Brand new offer: “we'll fix your digestion guarantee”

Click here for the full written transcript of this podcast episode.

Resource from this episode:

-Gluten Guardian – get 10% off already discounted price with code GREENFIELD


-Cyrex blood panel for gluten allergy

-Book: Grain Brain

-A1 vs. A2 milk

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16 thoughts on “How I’ve Been Able To Gorge On Delicious Gluten-Filled Foods Without Feeling Like I Swallowed A Pair Of Motor-Powered Scissors Tearing Up My Intestines.

  1. Gavin says:

    Hey Ben/Wade/Matt,

    I currently use Gluten Guardian however recently came across research claiming that DPP-IV is ineffective in low pH (i.e. a typical human digestive tract). Have you any thoughts on this? It wold be good to see a GG promo-video using acidic liquid to demonstrate the effect of GG instead of what I assume to be water.

    Many thanks,


  2. Ashley says:

    Do you have a product recommendation for purchasing the Dipeptidyl peptidase 4, (DPP-4)?

  3. Kimberley Chatfield says:

    Hi Ben,

    If one takes enzymes regularly—and liberally like Wade suggests, will this cause your body to down regulate its own enzyme production?



  4. marisa says:

    Hi Wade and Matt-

    Is it best to use the P30M as a proteolytic enzyme (muscle recovery- taken in the am or pm,) vs. taking it when eating to breakdown food? What is the major role of this product? Thanks!!

  5. Hudson says:

    Pretty disappointed in these “experts” who had one. Wide “Lightheart” used to go by Wade “McNutt” and had the BBing program Freaky Big Naturally. my buddy bought it. One of Wade’s “discoveries” was “megabolic drive” and he had convincing charts showing continual upward growth (an impossibility), no science to back it up, and only a few things which supported this process, such as contrast showers. Of course his big secret was enzymes that he (and only he) had for sale– MassZymes would set you back up to $500 a month but would ensure this megabolic drive. the charts and progress he claimed were impossible for any athlete on any substance, natural, pharmaceutical, or otherwise.

    looks like the enzyme huckster has moved on to the next enzyme scam. Says a lot about you, Ben, in the company you keep and who you invite on as “experts”

    1. Matt Gallant says:

      Hi Hudson,

      You seem upset. You seem to be harbouring a pretty serious resentment.

      If you want to blame anyone for the term “megabolic drive”, blame me. I’m the marketer who coined the term. It was a term I created to define the difference between anabolic drive and catabolism. It’s bodybuilding 101. It’s your right to hate on us for creating a new word.

      As far as Freaky Big Naturally goes, did you do the programs? If so, I’m curious what your results were.

      Most people have gained 20+lbs of muscle in 12 months. We had one guy gain 50 lbs, which is on the upper end of what’s possible.

      The programs were modeled off some of the greatest bodybuilding minds and programs in history: Bill Pearl, Scott Abel and others.

      As far as MassZymes goes, the dosage should’ve tailored to needs. Bodybuilders consuming hundreds of grams of protein a day need more protease.

      We had many clients consume massive dosages for years with great results.

      Did you ever try it?

  6. John says:

    Hey Ben

    I assume meat (where animals have eaten glyphosate containing foods) would also be an issue?

    1. Yes, that's why it's important to eat organic, pastured or wild meat whenever possible.

  7. Ant says:

    get your Kion products on iherb, Thorne products are already on there. China is waiting.

  8. Matthew says:


    DPP-4 inhibitors are used in the management of type 2 diabetes. Endogenous DPP-4 degrades GLP-1 (glucagon like peptide 1). GLP-1 delays gastric emptying and decreases glucagon release. My question, is the DPP-4 mentioned in the podcast the same molecule? Will it also degrade GLP-1, leading to increased glucagon release and a higher blood glucose level?



    1. Wade says:

      Hi Mattew, there’s some evidence that DPP-IV can break down insulin resulting in a shift for the response for diabetics using insulin. If you or someone is a diabetic I would run it by your physician to see if there is a contraindication. Cultured enzymes are extremely potent in the effects they elicit in the body not just with digestion but with other metabolic and recovery pathways. Of course. like most of us Biohackers, we test directly on ourselves under the guidance of professionals.

  9. Jennifer Wojtusik says:

    Is it ok for individuals with celiac to consume gluten if using this product? No mention of this on the website

    1. Wade says:

      Hi Jennifer, Frankly, I wouldn’t use it as a treatment to Celiac. That being said, Matt’s wife is a Celiac and she’s used it successfully in a number of social occasions to avoid the negative effects of gluten contamination. She uses as an insurance policy. We do have a number of Doctors and Pharmacies using it with their clients with mild to extreme gluten sensitivity with marked success. I believe first rule is “Do no Harm”, the second rule in regards myself… “Test, and see what happens”. What we have found anecdotally is that Gluten sensitivity varies widely and the “effective dosage” is something that each individual can usually figure out within a month of trial and error. It’s certainly not the most scientific way to go forward but it is effective on a person to person basis.

  10. Lasse says:

    Hi! Do you have link to the original New England Journal of Medicine article?…

    This is just referencing the some original article that I can’t find 🤔


    1. Wade says:

      Hi Lasse, this was a quoted summary from a number of expert researchers in the field who combed through a ton of New England Journal of Medicine studies. Here’s the link that will site most of the studies if you would like to do a deep dive. There are some great studies in here

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