Is There *Actually* Any Research On QUANTUM Fields Affecting Your Health? (You’ll Be Blown Away By What You Learn!) With Ian Mitchell & Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling

Ben Greenfield [00:00:00]: My name is Ben Greenfield and on this episode of the Boundless Life podcast.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:00:05]: Same setup. Exactly. Same setup. But the quantum upgrade is turned on. And that's where you see that stress linked brain waves are reduced by about 80% and that the alpha activity in the limbic system increased by 13x through the quantum upgrade.

Ben Greenfield [00:00:24]: Welcome to the Boundless Life with me, your host, Ben Greenfield. I'm a personal trainer, exercise physiologist and nutritionist. And I'm passionate about helping you discover unparalleled levels of health, fitness, longevity and beyond.

Ben Greenfield [00:00:45]: All right, everybody. I know quantum technology makes smoke come out people's ears because it's difficult to understand, but the science in terms of like sleep recovery, ATP production, blood cell clumping, a whole bunch of other parameters is fascinating. So I got probably two of the smartest guys I know in the whole field of quantum and quantum health on the show. Ian Mitchell and Philip von Holtzendorf failing. That's a mouthful to discuss all things quantum upgrade. Put on your propeller hats and get.

Ben Greenfield [00:01:13]: Ready to dive in.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:01:14]: All right, I think this is a two-peat with Ian Mitchell and Philip von Holtzendorff-Fehling. And I probably just butchered both your guys names, right?

Ian Mitchell [00:01:25]: No, nailed it.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:01:26]: It was actually perfect.

Ben Greenfield [00:01:28]: Yeah, nailed it. All right. I'm not even going to try again. We had a show, super fun show. I think it was up to a couple years ago where we talked about quantum technology and just this whole emerging field that I think makes smoke come out people's ears trying to understand it, despite some kind of cool things in terms of the research that's coming out on it. So while you're listening, just for you, the listener, if you do want to put the propeller hat on and dig into all the studies we're going to talk about today, you can go to BenGreenfieldLife.com Q research as in quantum research. BenGreenfieldLife.com Qresearch so quick background, if you guys didn't hear my other podcasts with Philip or Ian. Philip is the CEO of Leela Quantum Tech and and Quantum Upgrade.

Ben Greenfield [00:02:24]: And all they do is produce quantum technologies all the way down to the necklace that I'm wearing to address issues like energy, EMF mitigation, et cetera. Ayan is the founder of Wizard Sciences. He produces all sorts of crazy stuff out of his Batman lab, advises different companies in the wellness technology and healthcare space, and he's always kind of at the forefront of some of the crazier technologies that are happening right now in the health and wellness world. So between the two of these guys, I think we'll be able to wrap our heads around this thing called the Quantum Upgrade and how it works. Philip, you were telling me about this documentary, I think, or some kind of video filming where you guys did an EEG that apparently was pretty impressive.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:03:17]: Yes. So it all started in December of last year where we had a study that was done with the most advanced EEG device on the market. It has 256 channels and it can look into your brain like an MRT. So it literally visualizes everything, and you can look deep into the limbic system and see everything in real detail what's going on with the brain. So if you see people with just some like $10,000 device, there's no depth at all. You can't really see what does an iPhone 16 do to your brain. And then you also can't see anything else really in depth. So that study was incredibly successful with huge improvements for each of the test person.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:04:06]: It was so amazing that one of Europe's top scientists in regards to eeg, who was operating the EEG in this study, she literally, I mean, she said, this is incredible. This is absolutely amazing. And then we told Dr. Drew in the U.S. about it. Health Uncensored. With Dr. Drew.

Ben Greenfield [00:04:27]: Is that, is that like a TV show, Health Uncensored?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:04:30]: Yeah, it's a. It's a TV show. He's a doctor and he talks about health technologies. It's quite mainstream, to be honest, usually. But he was intrigued. So we, we showed them the study results and everything and he said, well, this has the potential to help so many people, so we want to investigate it ourselves. And so he invited me into his studio, but at the same time they sent a whole team to this institute in Frankfurt, Germany to film a two times boxing world champion, her name is Natalie Zimmerman, getting tested. So that was a pretty much same setup, similar setup as it was in the study.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:05:12]: Even though in the study, you know, you can have blinded setups if you do filming, it's not blinded anymore, obviously. So for 10 minutes, they do an electromagnetic free room setup where the brain waves are tested and you see everything natural going on. Then they put this lady and like they did with every other test person in a chair, and they put an iPhone 16 right next to her ear, about, I would say, half an inch away.

Ben Greenfield [00:05:44]: Okay. And I want to slow down a little bit here. So the study is basically, there's a person in a room. And what do you mean when you say it's an electromagnetic free room?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:05:56]: That's Just for the before test, so that you get a baseline read of how are the brain waves behaving when they're natural, not impacted by any electromagnetic field.

Ben Greenfield [00:06:08]: So this would be similar to like a polygraph where you're starting off by asking a bunch of questions that people are giving a true answer to that you know, are true. So you're just getting kind of like a baseline.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:06:18]: A baseline, correct. That's the baseline. And then after that, it was certainly not anymore in an electromagnetic free room. And it was, you know, they were sitting in the chair, the iPhone 16 was put there, and for 30 minutes they simulated a 5G call and they measured the heart rate variability.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:06:38]: Philip, phone up to the head. Earbuds, do you know?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:06:43]: No, a phone up to the head, about half an inch away or a third of an inch. I would say probably a third of an inch away. And it stayed there in a stable way because they have this mechanism to hold it there. And then there's a 5G call for 30 minutes. And what this lady, this expert in EEG would tell you is that mobile phones of the latest generation. Right. So over the years, they've seen that they attack the limbic system and certainly the brain in general, but with each newer generation, they attack the limbic system faster. The iPhone 15 used to do it within 2, 3 minutes that it attacks the limbic system.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:07:27]: What do you mean it attacks the limbic system?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:07:30]: That you see a significant stress lighting up in your limbic system, and that's where your breath and your heartbeat are managed. Right. So that's where it's orchestrated.

Unknown [00:07:42]: Yeah, it's all of your autonomous nervous system functions. The whole ANS is going to be governed and it's impacted really profoundly. I think actually if people had raw data and could see this stuff. The first thing that when you look at the brain scans, because we have, you know, 10 brain scans side by side and can look at it when you see the images, it's harrowing. And it's. I mean, it's stupid simple because you look at it and go, okay, great state, horrific state. You know, as soon as the iPhone's been there for a few minutes, everything goes to hell in a hand basket.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:08:16]: Okay. And the EEG is measuring brain waves, right?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:08:21]: Correct, it's measuring brain waves. And the part about the limbic system is that the iPhone 16 now, which was used in this example here, it attacks the limbic system already after 2, 3 seconds. So pretty much instantly when you put it here, not only your brain in general is getting stressed but your limbic system is being attacked. So that's, that's a sacred space.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:08:48]: I'm assuming when you say attack and when you say a disruption in of the autonomic nervous system, you're talking about. If we're talking, if we're using EEG as a measurement, like a shift towards beta brainwaves, like more stressed brainwaves.

Unknown [00:09:05]: Exactly. Gamma and beta. So specifically with this, we looked at gamma and I mean we looked at a bunch of stuff, but the big standouts were gamma, beta and alpha. And if you look at those, you can see and I can prattle off the numbers, but it was profoundly different. Like 77.6% reduction in gamma activity, 82.9% reduction in beta activity, and then literally a 1300% in the beneficial component of alpha activity. Like a 13x just off the charts.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:09:34]: Okay, so you're like depressing everybody right now who just rushed out to buy the iPhone 17.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:09:41]: No, we're actually lifting them up because again, it shows the quantity. Quantum upgrade is able to completely neutralize it completely.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:09:49]: Okay, so back up before you jump into that. We left off where she's sitting there. Phone is up to the head for 30 minutes, shows super big disruption of the limbic system. And then what?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:10:02]: So that's basically Ayan already went there. So after everything is stressed and you can see that visualized after the 30 minutes are done, then there's another 30 minutes. Same setup. Exactly, same setup. But the quantum upgrade is turned on. And that's where you see that the harmful, you know, the stress to linked to stress linked brain waves are reduced by about 80% and that the alpha activity in the limbic system increased by 13x through the quantum upgrade. And, and it happens already in the first few seconds and it stays the same. So that you can maintain a completely de stressed brain with full clarity of mind and full function, even though you're being blasted by a 5G call.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:10:57]: And this iPhone 16 which is emitting the electromagnetic fields right to your brain. And that is the absolute breakthrough. And it the interesting part about the, you know, if you have a sticker that is on your, on your phone, right, that sticker, 95% of those do not work at all. This institute actually In Frankfurt tested 30 of such technologies that claim they do something. One third of those, they have to stop after two test persons because it makes it worth another third. Actually more than a third doesn't do anything. And then they found only two technologies that, that actually worked. Now I, you know, for example, Aris Tech I think is one of those stickers.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:11:42]: They have an effect. They don't have a large effect. And they, the what people need to understand is all what it does. It sucks out some stuff here from this, but it doesn't do anything on the other side and it doesn't do anything with the soup, with the EMF soup that you're sitting in all the time.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:12:01]: Yeah. I was going to say we've got H vac monitors, air conditioning units, washers, dryers, smart refrigerators, smart appliances, computers, laptops. There's a lot more than just the.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:12:15]: Phone and wi fi and 5G. Right. That doesn't just come through this. It's in the air everywhere.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:12:22]: Yeah. Unless you're living in my house. So probably a solid. I'm going to guess like 80% of people listening right now have no clue what you mean when you said we turned on the quantum upgrade.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:12:35]: Yes. So that's a good thing because now people can check it out. And so you go to quantumupgrade IO and then you put in this code Ben 15 to try it for yourself. And what it is, it's a system that we build with where we can place someone that signs up or their car or their pet as an example into the system and then via quantum entanglement that someone or something is in the field. The moment you sign up and you're in the system, then you are in the field. It's not worth not sending energy to you like a cell phone tower would via quantum entanglement. You are in the field. That's a little bit difficult to understand for people, but maybe just google the 2022 Nobel Prize for physics because it was awarded for work on quantum entanglement.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:13:27]: So it's by no means a new concept. And yeah, we can prove it. It works like a Swiss clock. It's not random. It does. It's not like sometimes it works or sometimes it doesn't. Know it works in 100% of the cases. And then you as the user have 100% control over it, which is the important part.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:13:48]: And you can say I want more energy or I want less energy for the night. For example, I can book in specific frequencies. For example, in this test with a two times boxing world champion Natalie Zimmerman and Dr. Drew, the so called brain support frequency was used that we developed specifically to. Yeah, put the brain into a calm state where you have full clarity of mind and you're not affected by the issues that, that you are affected by.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:14:20]: Otherwise I'm going to play devil's advocate all Day long here, even though I've had this thing blasting my home for like two years. So I have been using Quantum upgrade for a while now. So I'm sitting next to somebody on an airplane. I tell them, look, I got this thing. It like blasts my house with invisible energy from afar. First thing that comes out of most people's mouths are, well, that's a great business model for whoever's doing this. They just have like this invisible product and you basically have a SaaS subscription fee that you're paying and you have no clue what they're doing or how it works. You're just blasting your home with this.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:14:56]: So putting the scientist hat on ion, you're sitting next to somebody, what do you tell them? Besides we have this impressive. But N equals one study that you just described. Ayaan. What else do you say to somebody who's like, dude, like, you're getting scammed?

Unknown [00:15:15]: Yeah, well, actually, so that particular. The study portion of that was n equals 10. We actually did it with 10. 10 people simultaneously.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:15:24]: Oh, so. So it was more than just this. Like it was more than just Natalie.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:15:29]: Yeah, it's, it's, it's 11 and soon it'll be 41, just FYI.

Unknown [00:15:34]: Yeah. And so, you know, we'll hit statistical significance in the next phase of this. Very clearly be able to show that.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:15:41]: It'S already there because It's a hundred percent it all. It's 100% each time.

Unknown [00:15:45]: Yeah. There's a. Yeah. When you look at the confidence intervals of things, this is off the charts because the reaction is literally ubiquitous. It happens to every single person, which is, admittedly, it's difficult to understand, but you know, like when you say the first misconception is when you say like, we're going to beam something to them, we're not. They're already part of this. The only thing that shifts is we modulate the field that's already there. And for people who don't realize that everybody walks around with a cell phone, you don't see the field propagating towards you.

Unknown [00:16:17]: You're already in the field and the waves are already coming there. All we're doing is very similarly isolating a specific locus and putting a modulated field around that person, but they're already part of the field. It's inescapable.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:16:32]: Yeah. Okay. And quick clarifying question. When you say you're modifying a specific locus, a certain, let's say, geographical region, I seem to recall it's been a while since I logged into my dashboard on Quantum Upgrade But I can select me or my pet. So what happens if you move outside that loci of your address?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:16:53]: Yeah, so it doesn't matter because it's basically tied to your biofield. And you can fly to Australia and back, or go to the grocery store, go to a club, go, go to a dinner, whatever. It does not matter where you are. You're in the field. Because it's quantum entanglement. It's not that it needs to find you in a specific location. It is entangled with you. That is how it works until you pause it or you stop it.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:17:18]: Right, but have you studied that? What I mean is, if you've got somebody in a single isolated area and you flip it on. Great. But let's say you flip it on that person and then they move, let's say, 20 miles from that original location. How do you know it's still working and it wasn't just working on the location, not the person?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:17:38]: The first thing is it cannot be this other way. It's impossible. It's absolutely. Once you understand it, it is impossible that it doesn't work or that it would stop working because it's quantum entangled. Okay, so it's not even a possibility that it doesn't work. But. But it's been studied. We have over 20 research studies by now that were done just for the Quantum upgrade.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:18:01]: Over 14 placebo controlled.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:18:04]: I know you sent me the notion project, and again, everybody knows I love this stuff and I'm also skeptical. But then I'm looking through all this research you guys sent me, I'm like, damn, I still don't quite understand how it's working, but somehow, I mean, you can get into the additional studies. I know I kind of interrupted you, Ian, as you were starting to do that, but yeah, keep going on what you're seeing here.

Unknown [00:18:30]: Well, so, okay, one of the things that I think was compelling, and we did this at a university with a professor, and it was randomized, placebo controlled. And this was at a cellular level. And so we isolated cell culture plates, took images of them, had the quantum upgrade geared up for those cell plates, and then move them from the incubator, Tested how much ATP with a thing called cell tighter glow. We tested how much ATP was being produced. Then we flip on the quantum upgrade only on the affected cell plates out of all of the different cell plates we used. Right. So we've got all these dishes, we put cells, get them to confluence, just fill them up. Then we put them in the luminometer and use cell tighter glow.

Unknown [00:19:13]: And we see what the ATP levels are the moment you turn on the quantum upgrade, whether you've moved them, changed the position, shifted them from the incubator in the lab over to the luminometer. In this case, a thing called a citation 5 from biotech, which is super, super accurate. You see a 20 to 29% jump in ATP output instantaneously. And literally everybody at the university and it was blinded. Nobody knew what was what. Philip's team didn't know. The research guys at the end of the biochem department didn't know. I was the only person who actually knew which was which.

Unknown [00:19:49]: And then I would reveal the results after we got all the data, I would show them which were which. So we could just very clearly go through and assess everything. And normally you'd see, like, if you did that, you'd see just this kind of random stochastic distribution where everything is kind of noise. But with these, it was nothing. 20% jump, 29% jump. Nothing, nothing, 20% jump. And it was only in the affected plates. And it happened the first time.

Unknown [00:20:14]: Everybody was so shocked by it, we did it another five times.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:20:18]: So, like, if you're going to do my home, I go to the Quantum Upgrade dashboard. So I log in, I go there, and I put in my home address. When you're doing the cell culture plates, how are you describing the information of the plates to the Quantum Upgrade dashboard? Is it like. I think you've kind of a loose state. It's not their physical location. Are you just like taking a picture of them or.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:20:40]: It's a great question. There are multiple ways on how you can technically do it. One is with data. That's the easiest to do. And that's what we do for the public. Right. That you put in clearly identifying information. Like for a car, it would be the make, model and the VIN number that's clearly then identifying that specific car.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:21:02]: Now, in this instance, you know, the cell cultures, they don't have a VIN number and they also don't have a name. So in that case, we took pictures, right? So we were sent pictures that we put into the system and it was clearly identifying only the cell cultures that were supposed to be treated. Right. Because we didn't receive pictures of the other ones. And that's exactly what happened.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:21:28]: So they were like, I'm assuming, like labeled. Like you could see like the label on the picture or something like that.

Unknown [00:21:34]: No, actually, you couldn't. I mixed that. I took it out and occluded it. So nobody other than me could Actually see.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:21:40]: Oh, yeah. Because I'd be blinded. Yeah, yeah.

Unknown [00:21:42]: And I think the biggest thing for me, and this is the thing that I go back to, is we were, after we had done those six tests, I was giving a lecture and I pointed out to people, and this is kind of an odd misconception and it's hard to wrap your brain around, but fundamentally the field is intelligent, it's aware. And for me, that was the single biggest shift with all this, is having the hard data to go, okay, it might seem odd, but obviously there's an inherent intelligence to everything. And I think people oftentimes box themselves off and think I'm this individual thing without realizing, yeah, I'm connected to everything else. And so usually at the end of most of my lectures when we're talking about something like this, I will point out the single biggest thing after seeing all the data that I tell people is be kind, because literally it propagates a wave that goes everywhere and everyone is very obviously connected.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:22:39]: Yeah, I love that. It's very hippie of you. This study at the German foundation for Health Information and Prevention, you guys described how you use this super advanced eeg. I'm looking at the data right now, right. Gamma activity reduced by over 77%. Beta activity reduced by over 82%. Increase in alpha activity 13 fold. And a lot of people would be thinking, well, I don't have a super expensive EEG cap to test in my home whether or not this is working.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:23:09]: And I don't want loosey goosey qualitative feelings to necessarily drive my decision. So what about something like hrv? Have you guys looked at like a parameter that people are already measuring that they could use to track in their own homes if they flip this thing on?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:23:25]: Yeah, even this specific study tracked the HRV just on the side with absolutely significant results in every case.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:23:34]: You mean like an increase in hrv?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:23:36]: Yeah, yeah. Significant optimization in hrv, not just marginal.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:23:41]: You probably can't answer this question by saying how quickly the cells and the person and the room responded, but I'm assuming if someone goes to the website and flips this on and make sure they check their wearable data beforehand, that you would see possibly an instant rise in hrv.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:24:01]: It's very possible. Now, I don't know about these wearables, how good they are that people wear. Now in this study, they use an absolutely advanced system to measure hrv. So I say, I don't know if a ring can keep up with that, but we've seen, I mean, people just Came to me at the last Ultimate Wellness Forum where I was in Miami just last weekend and someone came to me and said it's ridiculous. In the last three months, my HRV has optimized so significantly I've never ever seen anything like this. So I mean it's not. And he was tracking it with one of his rings, so it's certainly possible.

Unknown [00:24:39]: It's like the dexcom though, right? Like with the Dexcom. Because I have a ton of people that I work with who are using dexcoms. Dexcoms update every five minutes. Right. So you can look at the data. Depending on your setup, you can potentially look at it within a minute or so. But the aggregate update is usually in a five minute block.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:24:59]: Gold standard as far as a home device would be a chest strap like a polar H10. And you could use any number of different apps that will bring in data from that is going to be. Things like Aura and Whoop are really accurate. But a chest horn monitor would be gold standard to get more instant feedback.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:25:16]: There's one important thing though, Ben, that I need to mention for people because if they want to run tests, for example. So our system updates every five minutes. So when you, when you turn it on or you, you turn it on to start at 10am with a certain frequency, for example, right. Then it's. Then that frequency and strength level you set will start between 10 and 10:05. Because our system updates every five minutes. That's important to note. So when you want to do a baseline, obviously you do it before.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:25:50]: If you want to do a first read, you need to wait at least five minutes until it's actually on. The interesting part is when you have devices like this super amazing brainwave device, right. They see it in that moment, it turns on. Literally you see it. And that's where Ion sees it in the cell cultures also. Right? The increase in ATP the moment it turns on, you see it.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:26:18]: Yeah, yeah. Well, speaking of biometric data, I was looking at the study that you guys had in Slovenia, which kind of, it appears to me you went beyond EEG and heart rate variability and looked at some other physiological parameters. I don't have that part in front of me, but I believe there was a skin temperature and maybe a heart rate or body temperature. Tell me more about what you saw beyond or what you're seeing beyond EEG data and heart rate variability.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:26:51]: ATP was already mentioned. We see a significant improvement and acceleration in wound healing of human cells. Cells to be exact, between 46 and 100% acceleration in wound Healing, it's placebo controlled per nature. It's randomized, double blind. That study was done five times by Dr. Robert Schiff at the University of Tulsa. We see significant improvements in the blood. And I want to unpack that.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:27:17]: What do I mean that? Within 10 to 15 minutes, the quantum upgrade is capable of reversing completely reversing stage two of blood clotting, activating white blood cell activity and motility. And there were two studies that I had not mentioned or we had not mentioned on your show before, two six month studies, randomized and double blind with control group. Of course, that one was about parasitic load in the blood and the other one was about spike protein traces in the blood.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:27:50]: Okay, yeah, These are the ones from Austria.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:27:54]: Correct. And it's quite phenomenal because in the parasitic load study it was shown that there was a significant reduction in parasitic load over the six month period. Not only that, the environment, the milieu in the body improved so much that parasites actually have no other chance than to degenerate and to get out of the body more and more. Because there was about, I think a, on average, right. A 40% reduction in parasitic load. And at the same time, in the control group the parasitic load increased. So that's important to note then for the spike protein traces. It's also very, very interesting.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:28:39]: So listen to this. There were vaccinated and not vaccinated people in the control group and in the treated group. So in the control group, everyone had traces of the spike protein in every blood sample.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:28:56]: Wait, how do you measure spike protein?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:28:59]: So they didn't measure spike proteins, they measured traces of the spike proteins to go even deeper, to see if anywhere in the blood you could see any traces of spike proteins. And you can see that with darkfield microscopy in an illuminated fashion. It's magnified and you see in real time what is going on. And they took blood samples from all over the body to be extremely thorough. Right. Because you want to not just test in your hand, for example, then you may miss out on other parts of the body. And the phenomenal part is that over the six month study, everyone showed traces of the spike protein in the control group across those six months. And no one, I repeat, no one in the treated group showed any traces of the spike protein across the six month period.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:29:48]: So that's quite telling.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:29:50]: Yeah, obviously kind of a can of worms here, but you mentioned it. So I'm just curious, did you guys, were you able to see if vaccinated versus unvaccinated people had higher amounts of some of the structural changes to cells based on potential spike protein infiltration.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:30:06]: I'm sure that they could see that in the lab. But that was not the focus of the study. And we also, at the time when the study was conducted we were being very careful and not even trying to talk about it. So it's.

Unknown [00:30:19]: Yeah, we didn't want to get banned on everything.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:30:22]: I said can of worms truly.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:30:26]: Yeah. So that's the part about the blood. And by the way, in regards to the parasitic load, I'm not suggesting you shouldn't do your great parasite cleanses, right? That's what I think. If something works for you, keep doing that. This is something that you can run in the background at all times that improves your environment, that you can have a reduction and a better environment to begin with and then everything else you're doing will be even more effective. And that's the way we suggest to approach this.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:30:54]: So explain this to me. Some of the electrical medicine devices or the rife frequency producing devices like let's say the biocharger have a parasite recipe like a certain frequency you're supposed to run in studies like this. People are listening in and they decide they're going to mess around with the quantum upgrade and they go to the dashboard where you can set the frequency. Is there a frequency you can choose that is for parasites or for red blood cell clumping or platelet aggregation or do you just have a general one that sweeps through all of this?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:31:31]: So the good news is already the general quantum energy settings of the quantum upgrade helps you with all of these things that we mentioned. We do have specific frequencies though that can help you to amplify certain effects. We want to be careful with parasites and with, you know, viral load and things like that. We do have frequencies for that but we need to sort of beat around the bush a little bit because we cannot make and don't want to make any disease claims.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:32:06]: So.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:32:06]: But there are different frequencies, right? You can have frequency to increase your performance, to accelerate your recovery for better sleep. But then there's a Heal360 frequency that is pretty much a broad spectrum to activate your self healing powers. And then there's this one, maybe people can read between the lines. It's called the exertion response and microbial harmony. That is the one that I personally use when I feel sick or when I feel I get sick. So I leave it up to you to understand that.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:32:39]: How do you have your set up? Like I just kind of. Because sometimes I go to my dashboard, I'm not totally sure what the best way to set it up is. So I'm just curious what ion and what Philips quantum upgrade frequencies or timings are set at.

Unknown [00:32:54]: So I've got mine set on Heal360 pretty consistently and I have everything maxed on the Hawkins scale.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:33:01]: I'm taking notes on my little post it note here because I'm going to log into my dashboard afterwards to. To do it. To do what the best guys are doing. Okay. So say that again.

Unknown [00:33:09]: So I'm on the heel 360 frequency.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:33:12]: Okay.

Unknown [00:33:13]: And then I keep everything maxed on the Hawkins scale.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:33:17]: Okay.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:33:18]: As high as it will go, but not at night.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:33:22]: But you, you don't have to like log back in before you go to bed at night, right? Can you just like set it to. You can set it increase at night? Yeah, yeah.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:33:30]: You remember Ben, because you couldn't sleep when you first started it because you cranked it up all the way at nights.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:33:36]: I know when I first got it, I had three nights of insomnia and then I went back in and turned it down. I'm like, there's no way that was placebo.

Unknown [00:33:43]: Yeah. One of the conferences we were at, a fellow named Larry Pham came over to me in the morning and we were debuting a different type of block. It was the Gen 8 block. And it was really, really intense. And he came over and he didn't know what it was correlating with, but he said, hey man, I don't get this. When I walk across to the other side of the auditorium, my heart rate is jumping up 20 beats a minute. And I said, oh, that's the gen 8 block. Right.

Unknown [00:34:07]: Because there's kind of an adaptation period where your best thing is to drink a lot of water, kind of take it easy because it's a lot of flux in the field, a lot of energy there. And as much as it can boost you up, you have to adapt to it. Like anything else, it's a progressive. That's why it's so beneficial, is because it's like a subroutine that just runs in the background. And everything else you're doing to benefit yourself can be stacked additively on top of that.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:34:36]: Before we hear what Philip's protocol is. How do you describe the Hawkins Scale to people, Ian?

Unknown [00:34:42]: A logarithmic scale of consciousness going from 0 to 1000, where 1000 would be someone who has pretty much perfected what you can do and zero being the absolute most base things you can get. And it's a little strange when you say Human consciousness, because there's so much focus on that now. There's a conference next month on science and consciousness in the UK and it's becoming more and more emergent. But for me it's a matter of how in alignment you are with yourself and how much in alignment that is with everything else. So the higher on the scale you are, the more aligned you are with things in nature.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:35:24]: Okay. And this is all based on David Hawkins book, what's it called? Healing and Recovery.

Unknown [00:35:30]: Power versus Force.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:35:31]: Power versus Force, yeah.

Unknown [00:35:33]: And that, you know, Hawkins was a brilliant guy. He was an MD, PhD, and he developed this based on what he had seen with muscle testing. And he realized very quickly that it was actually a quantum field effect, which is exactly what happens, you know, so when you change things at a fundamental level, they cascade up. And one of the things that's the reason that scale caps at a thousand is because when you hit that point, you're flowing so much energy that literally you're. You can't handle it physiologically. You pop. You know, it's just like electron potentiation across a mitochondrial membrane. It can only handle so much before it pops like a popcorn.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:36:11]: Right. It'd be like inhaling DMT or something like that. Frequencies are just off the charts. Philip, what do you have your set at?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:36:20]: Yeah, so I change it around quite a bit and that's what I advise for people to do in general also. I mean, you can leave it for a week or something like that, but check in every now and then what you really need. And that's the beauty about it. So if I play a tennis match and you know, I played semi professional tennis, I put it on the world champion frequency usually sometimes on the Olympic performance. Those are specifically to help with workout, help me specifically with ATP production and to being very present for that match. Then I can have one for recovery, which would usually be the heel360 frequency. The heel360 is sort of like the go to one that you can use for that. There's a common rest frequency that I usually use for the night.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:37:08]: That's the. I think personally that's the best one for the night to help with sleeping. And then I love the brain support frequency. I use that a whole lot usually on podcasts. I put it on. I don't have it on right now, but. Because I forgot, but usually, yeah, usually I put it on brain support. Then it's absolutely amazing to be very present.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:37:33]: That's also the frequency that was used in this brain study, by the way. And you have significant clarity of mind. And it feels like you can process so much more information at the same time without being overwhelmed in any way from all the information that you're processing. And then there are a few others. There's even a nice prosperity frequency. That one is a little bit harder to prove, obviously, but I find personally, that's one of the best frequencies we have.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:38:01]: Yeah. I'm just curious because I am a businessman and an entrepreneur. How come other people aren't doing this? You guys just patented it and hold the secret sauce? Because I would have thought with as much as you're seeing in your research, you'd have a whole bunch of other companies blasting quantum frequencies around the globe.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:38:25]: Well, because they don't know how to do it. I bet there would be a lot of companies that would like to be able to do it, and they have no clue how it works. So it requires a very special skill set and understanding on how this reality works. A Nikola Tesla type understanding, to be honest, because you couldn't just do it with all the physical things. It's very easy to build cell towers if you have enough money, because you can see those, and it's all on the electromagnetic spectrum. But working with a quantum field, you need a completely different skill set. You couldn't have just a regular technician or engineer build it, because they would have no clue on how to do it. So that is why that's the case.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:39:08]: I do foresee, though, that over the next 10 years, we'll see a lot more technologies come out in this realm. Not necessarily doing the same that we do, but in general, leveraging the quantum field, leveraging consciousness technology.

Unknown [00:39:27]: I'm actually seeing a big rise in people using quantum fields to do diagnostics. And that's. That's actually incredibly beneficial.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:39:36]: What do you mean?

Unknown [00:39:38]: Well, people actually getting into the field, and then someone running a diagnostic assay on them from afar to see what system in their body is dysregulated.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:39:49]: People are actually doing that. There's. There's technology that does that.

Unknown [00:39:51]: Yep, there sure are. Yeah.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:39:54]: And we are even working on something like that as well.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:39:56]: Is it like super secret sauce or. Can you share the names of any of these until.

Unknown [00:40:01]: Until they actually launch super secret sauce?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:40:03]: Okay. All right.

Unknown [00:40:04]: It's. And you know, the thing there is. It's kind of profound to me, because the future of medicine should be about frequencies and harmonics and waves. It should not. You know, everything boils down to vibration in a physical sense. Right. Everybody. And I say this a lot.

Unknown [00:40:21]: People think of themselves as solid creatures, because that's how they perceive reality. But that's not really accurate. You know, you're a very tightly held pattern integrity that. And in my estimation, your consciousness holds your physical form in a certain state, but really, when you break it down, you are fundamentally just lots of little vibrating things that have aggregated. And there's this thing that we did years ago at a biohacking conference, and the video's up where I took Todd Shipman, a mutual friend of all of ours, and he came on stage with Philip and I, and he has anaphylaxis to shellfish, so he has horribly bad reactions to it. And I opened a can of crab meat and put a derma roller in it, rolled it up his arm, and instantly it popped up with hives. And then I put it in at that point, an infinity block, and just let it sit there while I was talking about how waveforms actually interact and that most things that people think are histamine reactions aren't really a biochemical process first. Fundamentally, it's kind of a decoherence in wave patterns, right? You've got things that are constructive and things that are destructive.

Unknown [00:41:24]: And if you take something that expresses in your body as a histamine reaction, that's because you have a destructive interference pattern. And so the quantum, or in that case, the infinity block negated that for him. So after about three minutes, I took it out, put a new derma roller in, and rolled it up his other arm, and nothing happened. And it's not that I negated his histamine response. He just didn't have it anymore because the compound was in harmony with his system. And so that's not something you can do. If everything is truly just physical and biochemical and we're big meat machines, it doesn't work. But we know that we're not that.

Unknown [00:42:01]: And this is why I think we're in a kind of unique position, because our intent is very good. And after realizing that the field is intelligent and super aware, I don't think it's an idiot. I don't think it gives Toddlers pistols.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:42:15]: Yeah, I agree. Attacking someone with a crab meat derma roller is one thing, but this is something I've kind of thought about, too, after my episode of first flipping on the Quantum Upgrade and experiencing disrupted sleep because I had the frequencies turned up so high. What's to keep someone from a quantum upgrade attack, unlike their neighbor or an enemy, where they just want to blast them with really low frequencies or sneak in there at night and type in their address and blast with super high frequencies. Couldn't you technically throw frequencies around wherever you wanted on your neighbor's dog or whatever?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:42:51]: So first of all, what's important to understand is that the quantum field is inherently supportive to life and to consciousness. So anything that would be negative in nature. So let's take the worst case example, right? So someone were steal our technology and try to put in negative frequencies, be it as herbicide or a pesticide frequency, for example, and then try to blast you, right? These herbicide and pesticide frequencies would instantly be neutralized. That's nothing that we did. It's just the nature of the super concentrated field that doesn't allow for that. So you couldn't do it. You couldn't put a death wish in or stuff like that. So that's really.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:43:35]: It prevents all of that. And yeah, I mean, in theory you could. And by the way, it's not that low frequencies are high frequencies, right? So you could certainly try to turn it up for someone in theory. We have preventions there, you know, and for example, for a business, only the ones that can actually sign for the business can sign up a business. We do have multiple businesses being run there. But you couldn't just sign up a Coca Cola if you don't have the signing rights for that.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:44:11]: You couldn't even type in the physical address of the Coca Cola warehouse instead of your house.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:44:17]: That wouldn't really work either because then it's not the Coca Cola warehouse. So you would have to still define it. So if you want to have, I don't know, the Hyatt Hotel in Austin downtown in there, you would have to name it that and then put the address in. If you call it a Coca Cola warehouse and then put a wrong address there, or vice versa, it doesn't work because the information is not identifying.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:44:46]: Oh yeah, yeah, I understand that. But I guess what I'm saying is like, if you actually know an actual address, like you could kind of throw these frequencies around wherever you want, right?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:44:56]: So here's what we have created, which is quite amazing. So everyone that is a subscriber, and by the way, you can cancel every month if you want to. So after 30 days, and also after 40 days, you get a free quantum upgrade for any location in the world that you can set. It is limited though. It doesn't have any specific frequencies you can set. And you cannot set it to higher levels than 600 on the Hawkins scale, right? So 600 is right above, you know, unconditional love and joy. It's in the realm of peace.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:45:34]: So basically, like the word, the worst you could do is attack someone with peace is what you're saying.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:45:39]: Correct.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:45:40]: Yeah, I get it. Okay, so you might be wasting your time if you try to throw this out.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:45:44]: No, it's actually a very beneficial thing to do that people use for their hotels where they sleep in. Right. So if I go to a hotel, I'm not going to a hotel where I haven't set the quantum upgrade on that level. I would never set it on higher because you have other people there and you don't want to blast those people. But that's the level that you can set, which is a really nice vibration. And, you know, you can set it for public beach, you can set it for your grandmother's house, or for an animal shelter, for hospital, for school, you know, whatever you prefer.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:46:19]: Yeah. Hey, so I'm curious, just in the time that we have left, I don't know if you guys are able to do or reveal what you have planned to study in the future, like anything that you're looking at as far as ongoing research or something else you want to try.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:46:35]: Yeah. So I think I need to mention real quick, at least we don't have to go into details, but that there was a study done by Reputable health in the US with 100 women with significant improvements in anxiety levels, depression levels, fear levels, hrv, and basically it was linked to fertility. So they saw an improvement in all markers that are related to fertility. That is quite a phenomenal study.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:47:03]: Oh, yeah, that's kind of important. I mean, obviously there's a lot of women who are doing a lot, or families or couples who are doing a lot to conceive.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:47:13]: Moving on. So we have three brain studies currently running. One in the us, One in Germany, and one one in Portugal. And they'll all come out here over the next few months. We will have so much data, it's going to be incredible. Then there is a top athlete study that is currently planned and another study that looks into specific cognitive function and iq. So I think that's the most exciting right now that we're working on.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:47:48]: Yeah. And you guys publish most of these on your website, right?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:47:51]: Yes, yes. Everything you can find there. And I don't know. Do you have dogs, Ben?

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:47:57]: Yes.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:47:58]: Okay, I'm sure that some of your listeners also will have dogs. There was a study, a randomized double blind study with 30 dogs done in Austria that also showed significant results. And it was quite phenomenal because it had four different testing methods. It looked at Dark field microscopy. It looked at an advanced decaval testing method, it looked at subjective surveys of the pet owners, but again, it was all blinded. And then it had the traditional veterinarian diagnostics as well. So if anyone is interested in pet health, because biohacking isn't just great for humans, it's actually also great for pets, then go check that one out.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:48:44]: Yeah, and that's an option in the dashboard, right? You can choose your pet, right? Yes. Yeah. Or multiple pets. Super cool. Well, we have I think now four podcasts on quantum technologies. We didn't even talk about the underwear, the necklaces, the caps, all the different things besides the block. But I've been using your stuff now probably for four years, Philip, and obviously, Ian, you've been on the show about not just quantum technology, but about a lot of other things in the past and you're a well respected scientist in the field. So I think all this stuff, even to the skeptics out there, because I obviously just based on the nature of my questions today, you guys know that I question everything, but I also pay attention to results.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:49:32]: So if you're interested in trying this out or if you want to see the research or access anything else juicy, including previous shows, all the show Notes are at BenGreenfieldLife.com qResearch BenGreenfieldLife.com q Research like Philip mentioned early on in the show, I think we have some discount codes and stuff too for you guys. So, Philip, Ion, this is great. You answered all my stupid questions about the quantum upgrade.

Unknown [00:49:59]: No, I think it's great, man. I appreciate the devil's advocate stance. As a scientist, that's what you're supposed to do is, you know, you have to be agnostic about the data because in the case of, you know, everything we've done with the quantum research, it was not what we expected or, you know, it was not scientifically what you would think, you know, which is why in a lot of cases we repeated them so many times, is because you, you just have this awareness that at the end of seeing all the data and going, okay, apparently my map of reality was a little less glamorous than it really is. There's just so much more going on than you think from a physical sense. And so you have to be agnostic to that and really pull the thread. And if the data takes you someplace weird, which is exactly what happened here, you follow it. And it's no different than Nikola Tesla got panned at the beginning of the last century, talking about how in the future you'd have a device in your pocket where you could talk simultaneously and see someone on the other side of the world.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:50:57]: I'm definitely gonna be logging into my dashboard after this and and making some adjustments based on what you guys have shared. So again, thanks for doing this, you guys. I appreciate all the all the nerdy stuff you're out there doing.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:51:10]: Yeah, thanks for having us on.

Unknown [00:51:11]: Thanks, man.

Philipp von Holtzendorff-Fehling [00:51:12]: All right, cool. Thanks for watching, folks. I'm Ben Greenfield, along with Ian Mitchell and Philip from Leela Quantum Tech and Quantum Upgrades. Signing out From Ben Greenfield greenfieldlife.com have.

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