[Transcript] – Biotransformation, Why Your Body Is A Giant “Excretion Machine,” The Danger Of Wearables, Air, Water, Light, Sound & EMF Optimization & Much More With Dr. Anthony G. Beck.

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[00:00:00] Introduction

[00:02:08] Podcast Sponsors

[00:07:00] How Cancel Culture Hits Home

[00:11:08] Old-School Learning Process vs. Dr. Google

[00:14:38] The Balance Protocol Method

[00:18:27] Biotransformation 101

[00:26:22] How The Body Is “One Giant Excretion Machine”

[00:29:44] Podcast Sponsors

[00:32:39] cont. How The Body Is “One Giant Excretion Machine”

[00:34:31] The Oil Which Lubes the Machine That is Dr. Anthony Beck

[00:44:40] Anthony's Water Filtration Set Up

[00:50:16] Why You May Want to Avoid Wearing Some of the More Popular Wearables On the Market

[00:53:41] Using Sound to Tune and Tone The Body

[00:59:21] Why Anthony Isn't Completely Sold on the Concept of BioGeometry

[01:04:33] Mineral and Electrolyte Imbalances Addressed

[01:11:39] Closing the Podcast

[01:12:11] End of Podcast

Ben:  On this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness Podcast.

Anthony:  We got poop, we got pee, we got sweat, we have tears. I mean, we're just built to push stuff out. That's the balanced understanding people have to realize. Not everything is for everybody. You're going to look at something. You have to find out what's my inclusionary and exclusionary criteria. Through the sands of time is the om. You don't have to sit in lotus and do your little fingers either. There'll be none of that on those platforms anymore.

Ben:  Oh come on, you got to be more specific than that. What did you say?

Health, performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show.

Hey, folks, Dr. Anthony Beck, cool guy. He was first on my show in a podcast called “The Danger of Shrooms.” That gives you a clue what that was all about, eating and supplementing seasonally, whether lectins are really bad for you, and a whole lot more. He's an author, he's a speaker, he's a real thought leader, especially in the functional medicine world. He has over 20 years of experience in functional medicine, Chinese medicine, clinical nutrition, orthomolecular medicine, hormone replacement, sports medicine, exercise physiology, the list goes on and on. His name came up a few weeks ago when I interviewed Dr. Leland Stillman.

We were talking about the environment and your health, and Leland was like, “Well, I learned chock-full of information that I learned from Dr. Anthony Beck. And it jogged my memory that I haven't talked to Anthony in a while. And so, I figured we should catch up and let you guys be a fly on the wall, and also talk about unique program that he has about optimizing your personal environment in a way that profoundly impacts your health. That one's called Balance Enviro. I got my hands on it and went through it, and then from air to light, to water, to electrical optimization. It's a pretty cool program.

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Anthony, welcome back to the show, man.

Anthony:  Good to be back with you, brother.

Ben:  So, you were mentioning, before we started recording, you just got canceled on, what'd you say, Twitter?

Anthony:  Yeah. I'm in Facebook and Twitter. I'm going for Instagram. We're going to see if we can get the hat trick going here pretty soon.

Ben:  Did your account get totally taken down?

Anthony:  Well, as of right now, I'm on suspension. Of course, I always fight back, so I appealed it, and then they turned down my appeal, but they haven't given me how long. So, I have no idea. So, it could be, yeah.

Ben:  What did you do, you, bad boy?

Anthony:  Spoke the truth. There'll be none of that on those platforms anymore.

Ben:  Oh come on, you got to be more specific than that. What did you say?

Anthony:  Well, I mean, I talked about–there's two things. I make comments, I don't mention anybody specifically in them, they're pretty generic, regarding some of the things that is absolutely taboo like the various things that are going on with the bending of science as pertains to gender, and the mental illness that's associated with that. And I know that gets me a lot of stuff, but that's fine, I got broad shoulders. But I didn't make any bad or hate speech comment, I was just basically saying that when people want to do certain things that are unhealthy for them that we shouldn't enable them.

I used to do what an example was, people that we love that are anorexic and they stand in front of mirror and say, “I'm fat,” and they're 92 pounds. We go, “Listen, you're not mentally well. That's not good. It's going to be harmful to you.” I was referring to people that we love, people in our families and stuff, not just going–but anyway, so that was the context of that statement, and that was I guess taken wrong, I don't know, or whatever. I basically just don't think that we should enable people who are clearly mentally ill because they're not saying things for the reality that they are.

Ben:  Mentally ill or like, say, six years old and unable to potentially make a fully educated decision about, say, what gender they are.

Anthony:  You got it. And that's my thing is is, I mean, I tell people. You can always hear my voice. I'm a country boy at heart and I love people. I don't have any of that hate and stuff in me whatsoever, but the thing is is I'm a staunch scientist. I look at not only the literature, but I got my training and my education through the Dewey decimal system, not Googling. Googling is just all about placement. So, when people “do research,” or I researched something, that today really, except in rare situations, means that you Google search something or DuckDuckGo, whatever, or you pinged it. You got to get into the textbooks. I mean, there's some well-established stuff in there.

So, true researching something takes more than that, and that's what I do in everything that I do. I'm really open to all kinds of things, but there's certain things that are pretty established in science, but science is never finished, right? It's a process, it's a method, it's one of those kind of things where I just get that for getting people to question stuff and just say, “You don't have to accept that narrative.” I always tell people, “Don't believe me just because I say it either. Here's where I got my information from and here's where some of the things that I have.” You'll call me anecdotal, but to me, they're professional clinical experience, 27 years in the realms of integrative and functional medicine, right? And I train physicians for a living. I mean, that's what I do, like Dr. Stillman. Wonderful guy and he's among a group or a growing body of those that are of the same like mind, and we really change lives. We're not digital marketers and niche pickers and telling everybody all wellness begins and ends with the gut.

And so, anytime I say stuff like that on, that was my other thing, on Facebook, people will just complain or flag it. You'll get the cancel culture thing going and you get enough people to just flag the post just claiming that it's hate speech, which is code for they disagree with you. Yup, you'll get suspended. So, that's what happened to me on those platforms. It's unfortunate, but–

Ben:  Wow. Well, you know what, as John Denver said, and as you just alluded to, there isn't much an old country boy like you can't hack, so I'm sure you'll figure it out.

Anthony:  Yeah. I'm good. That'll be fine.

Ben:  You mentioned your learning process, and you delve into things that go beyond, say, Dr. Google or Dr. DuckDuckGo, if you're trying to protect your privacy, or Qwant, or whatever else you're using as a search engine. I'm curious, what is your learning process? Do you have like a mentor that you really looked up to and learned from? Like I mentioned, when I talked to Leland Stillman, he dropped your name. But if I ask you, whose name are you going to drop? Or do you have specific journals, or digests, or methods of learning what you learn that would really come to be top of mind for you?

Anthony:  Well, yes and no. I did not have any mentors.

Ben:  Me neither. I get that question all the time and I always feel bad when–there's two questions I get asked. How have you messed yourself up with some crazy biohack? And who's your mentor? And for both, I'm like, “Never really messed myself up and I don't really have a mentor,” but it's interesting.

Anthony:  But I've learned a lot, a basis of a lot of stuff. It ranges from just a ton of people going back to Beauchamp (ph), and Linadar (ph), and Jensen (ph), Watson, Riddick, Reims (ph), Revici. There's just a ton, and these are people that had different pieces, but they didn't necessarily know each other or work together and stuff. And so, I went off the works of previous masters, if you will, or titans.

Ben:  Who are all those people? Those are all doctors you just listed off?

Anthony:  Yeah, they're all physicians from back in the day, man. I have some texts that are just awesome. They got that funky smell when you open them up like your grandma's basement.

Ben:  Yummy. What kind of doctors?

Anthony:  The vast majority of them were MDs, but most of them were NDs. Ones that started me early on of course was George Watson, “Nutrition and Your Mind.” And then, you got Pfeiffer's work, and there's just tons of these guys. There's just a lot of stuff. Here's the thing though. They didn't have the diagnostics that we have today. So, they couldn't explain, but they could report that their observations were–because remember, that's what scientific method is is observation. And we try to prove things wrong and prove them right, and give them to other people, and you see if you get the same result. You form a hypothesis.

The thing is is now, we've got laboratory assessments functional labs that substantiate what they saw. I've been a biological terrain guy, not germ theory guy from the beginning. It just didn't make sense to me. As many hundred–no, thousands of hours of looking in a microscope, darkfield and phase contrast, and you see things and you go, “That just doesn't add up.” I've never believed in the virus topic of today, and I've always known them to be exosomes, I've always known them to be non-living things and saw what was going on here recently. I'm like, “Oh, man.” It's like you don't have access to this stuff unless you use the, like I said, the Dewey decimals. So, you got a card catalog. You got to go put some research into some books. And so, that's where I came. I didn't have a mentor, but I say that because that's answering that question. But yes, my mentor had been my patients, tens of thousands of them. And their unique stories, my goodness, that's been, I've always said it's my greatest teacher.

Ben:  Interesting. That's a good feedback. In terms of this program, this, I believe it's called–and I'll link to this, by the way, if you guys go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com/primepodcast. I'm going to link to all of Dr. Beck's stuff and our previous podcast, which we took a much deeper dive into his history. So, that's why I'm not spending a ton of time on his background because you can just go listen to that initial podcast.

So, anyways though, you've got this unique, what you call a Balance Prime Approach to–

Anthony:  Balance Protocol, right. So, Balance Protocol is my method. It evolved over 27 years, but it's been around. I mean, it took me the first five years to come up with it. So, Balance Protocol, Balance Protocol Prime is a program that I put together to give access. It's a free online course that gives the foundational understanding of all the principles, tenants, and methods of Balance Protocol. So, people go, “Well, what's this guy's schtick?” Because I'm not a niche guy. I'm no lectins, or I'm a keto guy, or I'm a thyroid, or autoimmune, I don't do that stuff, it's all of it. So, it's a framework called Balance Protocol, but I wanted people to have the prime understanding. So, Balance Protocol Prime is a place where you can see, where you can go and do that program. Now, the reason why I did is so people can understand where I'm coming from because most people just don't know. Their doctors are just–they might hear them or something resonate with them and then they go for that. But I wanted to be a lot more transparent and give much more information on what the approach is because it's pretty vast, Balance Protocol.

Ben:  Yeah. So, I did my homework. I actually went through the whole protocol. I downloaded everything, I went through it all, I took a bunch of notes, and obviously, there's no way we're going to lay out the whole program on today's podcast. That's why the program exists. It's like hours of audios and lectures from you and PDFs. But there are a few things I wanted to ask you about specifically. You lay it out in terms of what you call a 2-5-3-8 Framework. Can you explain what those numbers actually stand for?

Anthony:  Yeah. So, it's actually a 2-3-5-8. So, it's a Fibonacci, right?

Ben:  Well, I'm lysdexic, I'm sorry.

Anthony:  That's okay. So, it's fancy when you're using all them letters and numbers. But the 2-3-5-8 is a real simple understanding. It stands for the two questions, the three phases, the five causes, and the eight systems. The Balance Protocol Prime goes through all that tremendously, but just for the record, two questions, means you always have to be asking, what do I need to add, and what do I need to remove? Not like, “Oh, I need to take this, and take this, and take that.” Or, “I can't have this, I can't have that,” and then fixes that. It's always add and remove. Three is the three phases. So, we always got to do things in the right order.

Order of operations is critical in anything. You just don't start with like, say, “Well, you're ill, you got a problem, let's detox,” because that sounds real sexy. And then, like, well, you're assuming that your body has the ability to handle an induction or a forced adaptation of removing stuff that's been sequestered and tissue for a long time, you can't. You can't just start pulling anything out of the body and expect the liver, and the kidneys, and the bowels, and your lymphatics to be able to do it. So, it sets the order of operations, the phases. So, we always talk about nourish, balance, purify. So, you want to nourish the body, build it up, then begin to balance out systems, and then you can purify it. So, that's what that is.

The five is the five causes of all diseases. There's five and only five. There is no other cause of disease other than the five, which are nutritional deficiencies, stressors, microbes, allergens, and toxins, that's it. Every single thing can fit into one of those five categories, and most of the time, it's not just one of those, it's multiple of those. But when you look at them in that way and you framework it, you go, “Well, man, okay. Well, those will be my targets of assessment.” And then, of course, eight stands for the eight systems of the body. Everything fits into those. The first one being environmental inputs, number two is GI, number three is mindset and cognition, and number four is immune system. Basically, when it comes to inflammatory cascades, there's lots of them, there's not just inflammation. And then, we move on to structural, and that's both on the cellular level and the physical level. Then we move on to oxidative stress and the energy production systems. Number seven is neurotransmitters and hormones. And number eight, the last one, is biotransformation and detoxification systems.

Ben:  Biotransformation. What's biotransformation?

Anthony:  Well, that's the correct term because one of the things that people have to realize about the body is everything is electrochemistry. I'm a huge Tesla fan. So, add him to my list of mentors.

Ben:  Oh, yeah. Me, too. Like Jerry Tennant, Robert Becker's book.

Anthony:  Yeah. Well, Becker, yeah. Tennant, no. I find Tennant to be a fraud.

Ben:  The guy that wrote–what's his book? “Healing is Voltage?”

Anthony:  Yup.

Ben:  Isn't his book based on the concept that were electrochemical machines?

Anthony:  Yeah. But he's bastardized it. He dangles pendulums over people and spins them in directions and tells them this thing. I mean, that guy is–

Ben:  Oh, he does the pendulum thing?

Anthony:  Oh my god, and you should hear–see, I do my research and that's my personal opinion based upon discovery and belief. And if you ever one thing about me is I'll–you ask me about somebody specific and I'll tell you specifically what, and it's because it's my opinion.

Ben:  I don't know. I was over at Ann Louise Gittleman. She calls herself the first lady of nutrition. She writes a bunch of books. She actually doesn't live far from me, and my wife and I were over at her house for dinner, and she did that pendulum thing with my wife and told her–

Anthony:  Yup. It's complete bogus.

Ben:  She told her that her kidneys weren't functioning properly.

Anthony:  They tell it to everybody.

Ben:  And my wife actually does get like UTIs and actually has some kidney issues. And so, I thought that was interesting.

Anthony:  It is, I get it. It's like cold reads, like those guys that used to be on like The Donahue Show and they do all that dog and pony show. It's not repeatable, quantifiable, and the–and I'm a bioenergetics. I've spent tons of time, years at the Edgar Cayce Foundation in Virginia Beach, Virginia. I've studied all of it, applied kinesiology. And I know this just might disrupt some people, but that's the difference between all of us. So, they can use similar vernacular. Yes, the body is voltage. Well, of course, it is. Now, Robert Becker, absolute genius. I mean, must-read. So, that's in there. But Tennant completely blows it all together.

Ben:  Alright. So, back to biotransformation.

Anthony:  So, biotransformation is the body is–it's all energy frequency vibration. The body is just a great, big, old vat of electrochemistry, that's all it is. The body is an amalgamation of things that are on the periodic table of elements. That's what it is. So, when molecules are introduced into the body and they're foreign to the body, the body has to process it through chemistry, and it's always electrochemistry. Everything is EMF, if you will. The problem with like, say, the periodic table of elements is is there's no number or the thing that has to do with magnetism. We talk about electromagnetism. You can't have one without the other, but the periodic table doesn't show anything reflective of that part of irrevocable [00:20:57] _____ concept.

Ben:  So, explain to people what that means, like why is it the periodic table wouldn't have magnetism and why is that important when it comes to something like biotransformation.

Anthony:  Because the thing about this is there's different properties that are always together. There's always positive and negative infinitely together, though it might not seem that way, just like a magnet. Magnet has a positive and a negative end. You cut it in half and what do you have now? Two pieces that have a positive and negative pole. They're omnipotent. It requires an understanding and a different way of looking at the body. So, when I use the term biotransformation, you take in a molecule and the body processes it through what I call a divinely created intelligence. It has a process through things like–and people have heard of methylation, and transsulfuration, and conjugation. That's all words of molecules being added and subtracted. It's the same thing when it comes to amino acids. Every single thing is what I call the CHO, C-H-O, carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen, amino acids, carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen, plus or minus nitrogen phosphorus. Fatty acids, same thing, they're all made up of the same stuff.

And so, the body biotransforms. It's the proper better way to look at it is a transformation bio. Detoxification is kind of a misnomer, but it is a concept that we understand. It's not a matter of taking this to get the body to remove that. You're assuming that it has the resources to do it energetically. So, I use the term biotransformation. That's what I mean when it comes to turning things that aren't us. We call it food into us. It has to be programmed and biotransformed. Like I can do a muscle core biopsy on Ben Greenfield's vastus lateralis. And I can't go, “Oh, he got that from grass-fed bison.” No, it's you. It has no signature, whatsoever, of where you derived it from. You can't tell if it came from venison that you shot with your bow. It has to biotransform it into us. That is a harmonizing effect that has to occur. The body has to break it all down and reassemble it into us. That's tuning. It has to do it that way.

Ben:  Okay. So, what you're saying is like in the case of, let's say detoxification in the liver. Let's say like, I don't know, something people might consume every day, like say, caffeine from coffee that has to be neutralized, I know, by the Phase 1 detoxification pathways in the liver, transform to a more chemically reactive form so it can get metabolized by Phase 2 enzymes. That transformation would be an example of the biotransformation that you're talking about where you're either–in the case of the liver, I forget with caffeine, whether it's a methylation process, or how it is that's actually occurring in the liver. But what we're doing is we're actually converting, transforming it from one form, whether it's pharmaceutical or something like caffeine, into a different form where it could then pass out into, say, like skin, stool, sweat, blood, et cetera, after being conjugated, or sulfated, or acetylated, or glucuronidated, or via any of those steps that happen during Phase 2 detoxification in the liver.

Anthony:  Mm-hmm.

Ben:  Okay.

Anthony:  But as my friends say, you're right on the money, like caffeine is a very positive therapeutic agent. People go, “Oh, well, coffee, caffeine.” Well, that's not true. That's like saying male, penis. Well, the penis isn't the same for every male, right? So, the caffeine derived from its source is not always the same. There's an infinite energy signature from different things. You have a great understanding of that with your coffee and stuff, which is awesome. So, the thing is is, yeah, you go like, “Well, we know caffeine is clear through a cytochrome P450 called 1A2.” That has to be made by something. That enzyme has to be made from a substrate, what's other food that we ate before. It's not just infinitely there. It's literally a physical molecule.

Ben:  Yeah. Arguably, a lot of substrates because isn't there like 100 enzymes that make up the cytochrome P450 system?

Anthony:  Oh, lots of them. And they're called P450 because they maximum illuminate at 450 nanometers, which is the blue, the number one, of course, spectrum that comes from our digital devices. So, again, what's funny is we actually have an encoded gene that actually has a characteristic of light, which is pretty interesting. So, 450 nanometers. That's why they're called cytochrome P450s, but yeah. So, biotransformation, it's one of those things–listen, I love to remove toxins from the body, but I don't do that ever first on anyone no matter what because you can't just assume that the body has the capacity to do that. And that's why so many people have troubles. You got people out there who go, “Push through the pain, and no, it's just a Herxheimer reaction. Keep going.” Your body's intelligence says, “No.” Sometimes it's slow, sometimes it's, whoa. You know what I mean?

You can't assume that. So, that's why that 2-3-5-8 framework really keeps us sober because it sets the order of operations of doing all the wonderful things that you reveal and you teach to people to open their minds that you got all these things in the toolbox. But you have to sort through the person's unique story, existing with their unique environment within their unique lifestyle and their unique mindset, and that needs more information than just living vicariously through what you might hear somebody else do.

Ben:  Okay. That makes total sense. Now, we're related to this concept that we were talking about detoxification and things, perhaps getting biotransformed in, say, the liver and passing out in the other areas of body. You describe the body as one giant excretion machine. I think I came across that term when I was going through your Prime Protocol. What do you mean by that?

Anthony:  I mean, we're just built to push stuff out, right? We got poop, we got pee, we got sweat, we got boogers, we have tears, we have all kinds of secretions from our nether regions. So, the body is just constantly taking in things that are not self and processing it, either into self, and then what it doesn't want to use, sending it to get tagged and bagged to leave the body. So, that's all we are. One of the things is is that's a very arduous process for certain molecules because certain molecules have certain electromagnetic consequences. Their electrochemistry being present has to be dealt with, right?

So, we swallow food, it goes into the gut, and you've got a variety of things that it starts to get tuned. We hit it with a real strong acid, then it makes that left turn at Albuquerque called the duodenum, the duodenum if you're nasty. And then, we put the bile salts in there, and the pancreatic stuff, and all those. That's all electrochemistry to tune it, so then we can now absorb it. Now, it goes into circulation. Well, then that now gets delivered to tissues, and they have to like a fireman brigade, one person grabs the bucket, hands it to the next person. You got to go through all these cells, and then in between two cells, there's a matrix, there's an in-between space between spaces. And then, it gets in the cell, and then it has to go to different organelles within the cell.

So, you got all these things in and out. In order for things to go in electrochemistry, we know we got to push some things out, sodium going in, potassium coming out, we got calcium, there's all kinds. Those minerals are what really provides that energy frequency and vibration for everything. So, that's what I mean by the body is one just great, big, old excretory apparatus. That's really what we are, and we got to be mindful of things moving in and out, nutrients in, byproducts [00:28:26] _____ respiration out, physical solids, some are in gases, they all have different things to that. Emmanuel Revici‘s work was instrumental in me understanding what the membranes are.

Ben:  Whose work was that did you say?

Anthony:  Emmanuel Revici.

Ben:  Okay.

Anthony:  What he did was he balanced certain minerals to certain fatty acids to get a certain result. That's the whole thing. You got to pass through that membrane that is electrochemistry, right? You got the sterol heads and the free fatty acids on the inside. Like our mutual friend, Dr. Pollack, talks about the easy and the exclusion zone. It creates a positive and a negative zone. Everything is an infinite energy frequency vibration to where we have these constant subdivisions of positive and negatives within other positive and negatives. And so, we have that along those membranes. And if we don't take that into consideration, well, then we wonder why some people say, “Oh my gosh, I–” they love all the powders of the–I call the fairy tree-like cinnamon, and turmeric, and all these other things. The thing is is those are higher frequency things because they are a construct of various CHO, different things that are on the periodic elements. But I try to encourage people to focus on minerals, vitamins, fatty acids, amino acids, because everything boils down to those anyways.

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Minerals, vitamins, fatty acids, and amino acids. Would you say that you categorize nutrition more based on a balance of those versus, say, focusing on the traditional macros like carbs, fats, proteins?

Anthony:  Yes, but there's also some great work when it comes back to Watson I was talking about. He was the one who created the terms of fast oxidizer, slow oxidizer, sub-oxidizer. That's reflective of a person's ability to biotransform those food sources, and then they are then incorporated into your cells. That's such a big part of what your metabolism is, where your oxidative type is. And based upon that current status of that biochemistry determines what your macros should be.

Ben:  So, is that similar to like Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez' Metabolic Typing? Is it drawn from that work that, for example, if you're sympathetically driven, you might need to balance yourself out parasympathetically via the inclusion of, say, higher intake of what might be considered like plant-based type of foods? And if you're parasympathetic, you might need to balance yourself out by eating more sympathetically stimulating foods like, say, dairy or meat, things like that?

Anthony:  You got it, you got it. And that's exactly right. What do we have to add? What do we have to remove? And Dr. Gonzalez's work was really cool, very familiar with it. There's a lot missing there, with all due respect, I say. And I think that's one reason why Dr. Stillman inherently saw that, but then when he learned Balance Protocol, he goes, “Oh, that's what he was missing.” But that's exactly right. So, I let a person's biochemistry determine how they're fed, particularly in the resolution of chronic conditions. You get a lot more leeway when you're somebody like you. You can really mess with a bunch of stuff and be in tune to it, but you're an ultra-one percenter. So, most people don't have the luxury of doing it. I've looked down your lab, so–

Ben:  That's true. Now, how about you? When you say the body is one giant excretion machine for Dr. Anthony Beck, for you, do you actually do things each week, or as part of your routine, that help to I guess enhance the excretion, so to speak?

Anthony:  Yup.

Ben:  What are some of the core principles that you do for yourself?

Anthony:  Well, Balance Protocol, key number one is the environmental inputs of air, water, light, sound, EMF, and food. So, those things. So, of course, how you breathe, you've covered that in so many podcasts of different ways, the influence of that. I'm sure your listeners understand the difference between mouth and nose breathing, various techniques, all the way from Wim Hof and your ass off to kundalini, right? So, there's that. And then, of course, everything in the body happens in a fluid environment. So, water is absolutely critical, but then that begs the question, well, what type of water? And of course, you got the water charlatans, and all the alkalizer people, and the kangans and stuff. Then, light, circadian rhythm govern, and has an influence on all those things. Sound and vibration does, too, and then of course your EMF. So, you got to control for all of those things. I blanketly and universally account for all of those everywhere every day.

Ben:  Okay. Let's delve into a few specifics. There's actually a few things I actually want to ask you about that are specific to this idea of optimizing your environment to enhance your ability to be a better, giant excretor. So, air. I went through your air module and you've got a bunch of like tactics and tools in there to address air pollution. But if I was going to walk through your home and your office, are there any specific, either central, air filtration mechanisms that you have, or house plants that you have, or like air filters that you like and use for yourself?

Anthony:  Yeah, sure. And of course, the first thing, what do we get added and what do we get to remove? So, first of all, I don't bring things into the house. That's the one thing. So, I'm not a chemical guy. Don't burn any kind of candles and stuff like that, or burn sage, or puja, and all that fun stuff.

Ben:  Really, nothing? Not even like beeswax candles or anything like that?

Anthony:  Nope. Absolutely not. You put those near a meter and you'll understand. Now, they sound cool and all. And of course, they're black body lights and they're the right spectrum. So, in one fractal [00:36:42] _____, actually, it can be a healthy thing because they're a good force of light, but at the cost of what? The thing is I don't introduce anything that is combusted. So, I don't do that. I have porcelain tile through my whole house. I've got very little carpets. But that doesn't mean don't have some of those things. I don't want anybody to think that I'm dogmatic because I'm not. Hell, I'll smoke a stogie from time to time and eat a Krispy Kreme donut.

Ben:  Yeah. I was going to say like the use of smoke or combustion, for example, to deliver certain elements to the human body seems like it's built into us from an ancestral standpoint.

Anthony:  And that sounds like that, but in my clinical experience, it actually isn't. Now, do I think the occasional combustion of, let's say hitting a little bit of DMT in the right context of the individual? You can inhale it, of course. But I'm talking about the regular everyday stuff. So, I don't introduce certain things into the house. I'm a big fan of having plants in the home to help with that. They're not like a huge purifier, but they do make a difference. The other thing is I believe in opening up your home at certain times of the day in the early morning or at night so that way you can get an exchange of air because stale air is a big problem. My ear handling system, I use a higher MERV rating filters, at least a 13.

Ben:  What's a MERV?

Anthony:  That's a classification of how well something actually does filters. So, MERV ratings basically stand for minimum efficiency reporting values.

Ben:  Okay. Gotcha.

Anthony:  So, you can look up MERV ratings. So, a higher MERV rating to hit a smaller micron, a particle. I will use ions from time to time. I created a little ion machine myself that just hooks up to a voltage converter and I–

Ben:  Like a negative ion generator you mean?

Anthony:  That's correct, yeah.

Ben:  Okay.

Anthony:  So, there's that. And then, of course, I'm a big fan of the EnviroKlenz, which is an electrochemistry purifier, not a PECO, like a molecule, which I find to just be a really inferior product. I know that steps on a lot of people's posts. But I've tested them all, and that's the difference. I mean, everything that I recommend or say that I do, I don't biohack it, I freaking put it through a rigorous thing. But anyway, so little things like that for air. That's what I do. And of course, my water is all remineralized and structured, all that kind of stuff, my lights and things, I don't have all that.

Ben:  We'll get in the water and lights for sure. I want to stay on air for just a second longer, because what about when you travel? Because that's what I run into is I have like peace lily, and English ivy, and a lot of these plants that were studied in the NASA Clean Air Study, kind of scattered around the house. I've got one of those molecule air filters, and I also have one of those AirDoctor air filters, and I'm married to either of those, just the two that I happen to own.

Anthony:  Yeah. Any of those help mitigate. I'm just talking about [00:39:25] _____.

Ben:  Yeah. And yeah, we keep the windows open, we got a central air filter. But then when I travel, it's just like all that gets thrown out the window. And I'm curious, if you walk into a hotel room, are you traveling with anything, or are you just undoing the damage when you get home?

Anthony:  Well, exactly right. So, in other words, you mitigate the best you can when you do travel. I call it the controlled burn. Life has to happen. Of course, I'm not traveling anytime soon as long as there's been mass Nazis. I just won't do it, and I haven't in a year. But yeah, you do the best you can. I mean, you have tons of things, a little stuff that you do, your hotel room, same kind of stuff. I am a fan of the–they're called First Defense Nasal Screens. You put the little screens. They look like little Band-Aids, just cover your nostrils. Going to be in that pressurized tube called an airplane, or a bus, or something like that, and it's not so overly doing. And that's just particles. Of course, it doesn't block a lot of things like exosomes aka viruses, but yeah. So, I do nasal cleaning. So, I'm a big fan of the Navage. So, I keep my big, old nostrils cleaned out and bathe those bad boys, or then I'll estrange it with some vodka, just rub it up in there.

Ben:  Yeah, just one of those Ayurvedic tactics. I just interviewed a gal from Ayurveda. She cleans out her nose every morning. I actually didn't start doing that yet. I do use intranasal glutathione spray that's got some essential oils and things like that in it called GlutaStat, and that does a pretty good job. And then, I often keep my nasal passages pretty well-lubricated. I have a little bit of sesame oil that I travel with and just dab that inside the nostrils when I get on the plane.

Anthony:  Yup, you could do that. You want to put the moisture back in there. I've used anything from a Burt's Bees lip balm, Aquaphor, whichever ones. In other words, astringe it, wash it, flush it, and then keep the good stuff in there. And then, in the shower, that's one of my other big things. I'm a big fan of what I call nasal clearing, and I stick my fingers up in my nostrils, open up those passages and just get a few blows out there, and just–blow the whole thing out.

Ben:  Yeah. You know what else I like for that is a Rapé, like the Amazonian herbal medicine that you can just huff up your nose. That cleans you out big time.

Anthony:  Yeah. So, there's little things like that. But again, I try to let people know that Balance Protocol is truly freedom. It's not dogmatic, it's not an approach to where you have to be perfect all the time, but there are different things, and approaches, and protocols that are for some and for some not. And that's one of the big things that's missing out there in the Infospace is most people are just going to tell you all the things that you need to do without any context of you. No exclusionary criteria, but that, well, the science says. And I said, “Okay, you're absolutely right. I love the literature, too, but I'm not in that study. So, just that I might be that age and gender in that category, that's not how I live mine. So, I want to be an outlier in that statistic set.”

So, the thing is is there are people who don't qualify for the study. And there's certain things that sound really great on paper but are contraindicated to people. Speaking of air, there's a lot of times where ozone and hyperbarics is absolutely contraindicated for people. And we hear about all the benefits of it from the–if that's the person's niche, you're going to tell everybody could do it. I'm going to say, “Hey, it's a very powerful and highly, potentially, clinically beneficial thing.” Therefore, then, it could also have a tremendous ability to do harm. That's the balanced understanding people have to realize is that not everything is for everybody.

And if you're going to look at something, you have to find out what's my inclusionary and exclusionary criteria from my current situation because I've seen people wrecked by keto. I've seen people absolutely, marvelously, their life turned around by it. I've seen people wrecked by vegan, I've seen them absolutely brought off death's bed by vegan. You name a therapeutic. I don't care if it's a diet, a cryotherapy, a water therapy, a light therapy. I've seen benefit and I've seen detriment on all of it.

Ben:  That makes sense. So, you talk of course about air, and then you talk about water. And obviously, there's a ton of different places that we could go with water. And I've done plenty of podcasts about water, but of course kind of similar to that. If you were to come over to my house, basically, what I have is well water. So, I've got a passes through a manganese and an iron filter first, and then it hits a carbon block, and then finally, like a vorticing device to restructure it. Then it goes into my home, and then often I'm putting like a pinch of sea salt in there to remineralize it, or some trace liquid minerals. So, that's how I drink my water.

And then, I also drink, just because I like my fancy food drinks, I drink a Pellegrino or Gerolsteiner. I often have some bottles of those in the refrigerator and I used to just drink it straight out of the bottle. Now, I pour it through one of those handheld water vortexing devices so I can structure my fancy sparkling water, and I drink that. What's your water filtration, hydration setup looked like for you right now?

Anthony:  Like that. I mean, I have a really good 5-stage RO system. I built it off the backbone of an apex system.

Ben:  What's that mean if it's 5-stage? That means it gets filtered five times?

Anthony:  Well, yeah. We'll go through five different steps. So, of course, you got a sediment filter, you're going to go through a carbon, and you're going to go through like a KDF medium, and then you're going to go through the RO stuff, and you're going to go through the structuring part–or excuse, re-mineralizing, and then I add a structuring device that I make. And I have a whole house system, which can't do a whole house RO realistically. But then my RO system goes to my ice maker in my refrigerator and my pot filler over my stove. So, that's if ever I need my water, I just go to that tap. So, that's what I use.

Ben:  Do you have any, I guess, non-water-based beverages that you really stuck on during the day that you like to drink? Like for me, sometimes it's a Zevia soda sometimes.

Anthony:  Yup. Listen, I'll rock some LaCroix from time to time, sometimes some Waterloo. It's pretty benign, right? Those things are pretty good. Sometimes I'll use them for the basis of using my magnesium hydroxide, convert to mag bicarb water, and I'll do that various salts. I'm like a collector of salts from around the world. All salt is sea salt technically.

Ben:  What's your favorite salt?

Anthony:  Oh man, it's so hard to say. You're trying to get me there. I like some la fleur de sel, the French [00:45:53] _____. I'm a big fan of that. Himalayan's got a little too much iron for me. But again, you determine it based upon–you test. You can quantify what's better for not. But I love some Topo Chico mineral water. That's really tasty. Gerolsteiner because it has a higher TDS in it, a variety of things.

Ben:  Now, in the Prime Protocol, you throw around the word chromophore a lot, especially in the water section, and a lot of people might not really realize that about water. What do you mean when you say the water inside of us, like after we consume the water, it's a chromophore, what's that mean?

Anthony:  Well, the thing is is chromophore, so in other words, the understanding is first of all, I'll tell people, back to the energy frequency vibration thing, the cells have a lot of stuff in it. I always laugh at the space because like, “Oh, mitochondria.” And I'm like, “Well, I'm an endoplasmic reticulum at.” All the organelles are just as important as the others, right? And so, there's what I refer to inside the cells, a tremendous amount of turbulence. There's so many things in there. It's not like this floating bag with these things you typically see in a book. The sum total of everything that's in there, whether it'd be gases, things, or whether it'd be minerals or metallics, different things on the table.

It's going to make up how your body responds to other things, even including different photobiomodulation things that we do. Everybody's all into red light, but I'm like, “Listen, there's tons of healing that can happen from blue light, tons from tangerine, tons from turquoise.” How your body responds to those has a lot to do with, number one, the voltage that's in your environment going through your body, various EMFs you've got to control for, which is why the pendulum stuff can't work. These people are doing those pendulum things in offices that have flickering life–just don't get me started. But so chromophores basically mean that when light, visible light particularly hits a chromophore, basically, it has to do with the excitingness or the excitation of various electrical components that are within the cell. So, there's what we call conformational changes.

Our friend Bruce Lipton, “The Biology of Belief,” is a great representation of a signal or stimuli outside of the cell and it's conducted through that protein linkage, and then it goes through and it has a conformational change. It literally opens or closes and hits another thing. So, there's that on the membrane, but there's also that along the membranes of the various organelles also. Remember, there's these doors within doors, like in the matrix, the gatekeeper, the key-keeper, that Asian guy who's running through all the doors has the keys. You have a door that goes into a room with another door and another door. That's why I say the body is the chromophore, and the different things that are in there based upon all these different adjacent electrochemistries affect the way that water within it acts and conformationally organizes based upon light. It goes like easy. We discovered that by shining light on it, and they saw that that caused things to exclude, the light stimulating those things that are in and around the cells to conformationally change. So, that's what I mean by being a chromophore.

Ben:  Okay, gotcha. And basically, when we have water inside our bodies and we're getting exposed to a full spectrum of light along with healthy hydration levels, then that chromophoric activity is upregulated.

Anthony:  It's effected. So, the chemistry of your various fatty acids, amino acids, and minerals within there is going to determine how you react or not. Like for instance, there's some people who'll do photobiomodulation and not get anything out of it. The question is is why? There's some people who take various minerals because it all depends upon the last name in the mineral, like zinc picolinate is not the same as orotate or monomethionine. So, that mineral on an amino acid is going to act different in light or exposure to various voltages or EMFs. And so, you got to account for all of those things. So, yeah, you can do a lot of the right things, but there'll be certain things missed. And if you're not doing them in the right order, you're not going to get the same clinical result.

Ben:  Okay. Now, you mentioned light a few times. Obviously, we pair that quite perfectly with adequate hydration and water intake, but I noticed that in the light modules, I was going through your Prime Protocol, that you say to avoid some of these common wearables like the Fitbit and the Apple Watch. Why is that? And especially, why would that be in the light module?

Anthony:  Well, because the thing is is they're emitters of light, how they get it back. It's kind of like you go to the hospital or you do some McKeown's work, “Oxygen Advantage.”

Ben:  Oh, yeah, Patrick McKeown.

Anthony:  Yup, the pulse oximeter on your finger, interestingly enough, that's a 660 nanometer light on there, by the way. That's how they're looking in it. But the thing is is so when you put that light over your blood like Fitbits and Apple watches, it's more on the green spectrum. You have it constantly on a very powerful convergence of points per TCM and meridian theory right there at your wrist. If you ever gone to a TCM practitioner, they're going to do your pulse. They're going to put their fingertips on there.

Ben:  Right. And that's where that wearable is emitting typically like some kind of a green light on the underside of it?

Anthony:  Yup.

Ben:  Yeah.

Anthony:  So, you have all these other chromophores like your blood whipping by there and getting that particular harmonics programmed to it aside from the fact that it's a power source there. I don't like to keep a power source on the body all the time either. There's electromagnetic field for that than the light. I just don't think they're there. I just don't think it's a very beneficial thing. Some people, you can look at it and like, well, it's not because they were wearing it and having an allergic reaction, but they have a very interesting reaction. And maybe in the comments of this podcast, people can put in the comments and share that, if they have had what I've seen on dozens of times in patients, that there's this odd reaction that happens there due to wearing those particular devices.

Ben:  Yeah. No, I got that. I'm not going to name them right now, but one company wanted to sponsor the podcast and I messed around with their device for a while, and it emits a light on the back side of it as a wearable, daytime and nighttime wearable, and my sleep suffered, my HRV dropped. I didn't like the way that wrist and arm felt during the night, and eventually, had to go back to just using–what I use right now is the Oura ring, which doesn't really create any light at all. And then, on any other wearable that I use, I have this other thing called the Hapbee, which uses like a magnetic signal to simulate–gosh, they simulate everything like freaking ketamine, MDMA, cannabis, caffeine.

Anthony:  That's me.

Ben:  You name it. It's kind of cool, but it has its annoying green light on it. And for anything like that, same thing with the little Joovv light I keep next to my bed. I just go ape nuts with the electrical tape. I tape over all the lights, and that usually does a pretty good job, but I'm unable to do that with the wearable because there's a–the light is there to function, to take a reading. And so, it defeats the purpose.

Anthony:  So, it's more of a prolonged use for me. I mean, if you put it on real quick, got a reading, and took it off, I don't think that's an issue.

Ben:  Right.

Anthony:  That's why I talk about–I have a principle I call source, form, dose, frequency, and duration. That's what really makes if something is going to be potentially detrimental or beneficial to you. You have to take into consideration not just it, but the context of how long and to what degree. You see what I'm saying? Like Chinese water torch. One drop of water is not going to bug anybody. It hits your head like, okay, great, okay. But have it hit the same place in the same volume over time and you'll see it's a big difference.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. Okay, got it. So, careful with your wearables, folks, if they're emitting a light. I think that's a really good tip because a lot of people don't realize that. Now, you also–I know we're bouncing around here, but I just want to get into the flavor of a few of these things because I love picking your brain.

Sound, you got a sound module. And one thing you talk about in sound that I don't think is a term I brought up much before on the show is toning and self-toning. How do you use sound to tone and self-tone?

Anthony:  Well, you mentioned earlier the term like ancestral stuff. We look at previous history of people doing things, things that are common. You'll always find everyone's always got a fermentation, they always have alcohol, they all have a different thing. Well, one of the things they always have is a sound, they always have a rhythm and a beat. Well, sound is profound. It's one of the big missing things for so many people. Now, of course, sound is an EMF, too. Everything is energy frequency vibration, but it's a different frequency. But the thing about it is so toning or self-toning, we do all the time. It's like when you get injured, you're going to go, “Oh,” like the Peter Griffin. I'm a family guy. He hits the thing when he just milks it–ah, right?

Same thing when we have sex, sometimes we're sucking our teeth. That's a toning. What you can do is you can also, whenever you want to relax, you can induce a physiological response by the things that we just naturally do. You just do it more like, “Ah.” You do that kind of a thing multiple times. So, breathe properly, hit your control-pause exercise, and then start to do these, “Ah,” and it will relax you like nobody's business, so you're invoking a sound. Of course, then there's tuning forks and singing bowls. My concern with those, sidebar, because I've been doing sound for a long time before it was cool. People try to do too many at once. Remember, keeping in consideration if you don't know what the turbulence is within your cells. Don't be throwing all that cymatics in there.

So, you don't want to do too many tones at once. There's some that are complementary, some that are building, some are destructive, and sometimes we need those. I mean, we can induce certain things for more catabolic, more anabolic. There's all kinds of stuff. But first, toning and self-toning, one of the good old-fashioned ones through the sands of time is the om, learning to chant an om. You don't have to sit in lotus and do your little fingers either.

Ben:  Yup. No. I love that. I'll om when I walk, like from one telephone pole to the next. I'll just say, “Okay. I'm going to om until I get to that telephone pole.” My wife and I will sometimes om during sex. My kids will om during breathwork, but yeah. I mean, the way that you feel when you move the energy up your body and do that–

Anthony:  Yeah. That's [00:56:08] _____ about churches, and singing, and choirs, [00:56:12] _____ nice little tone there. But yeah, brother, I'm telling you, the sound part is I think one of the biggest things that I think most people haven't explored maybe because all the niche pickers haven't jumped on it yet.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. Well, it just works its way up your spine as you do it. And you talked about the–I think you said the EnviroKlenz device that you use, which I think is a–that's I believe like a rife frequency-based device.

Anthony:  They actually use minerals to capture elements that neutralize it through an electrochemistry, yeah.

Ben:  Okay. Yeah. Have you used a BioCharger?

Anthony:  Yeah.

Ben:  Okay. Yeah, I have one of those and it's got a chakra setting on it. That's kind of a body sweep like from your root all the way up to your crown chakra.

Anthony:  Based on my clinical experience evaluation, it's not something that I align with. So, I would say that, but everyone has their [00:56:59] _____.

Ben:  Well, I certainly align with it. It makes me feel amazing. As a matter of fact, I have this other device called an AO Scan, which scans your energy centers. And I'll sometimes come back from a bunch of travel and it's lit up like a Christmas tree as far as reds and yellows, and ideal as green, and then I'll pop in and do that chakra balancing session on the BioCharger with some oming and come back in and scan, and it's just like all perfectly aligned, and I feel great.

Anthony:  Sure. Have you ever worn a Woojer?

Ben:  A Woojer? Does that measure how woo I am?

Anthony:  No, man. It is a sound vest and it's dope sauce.

Ben:  How do you spell that?

Anthony:  W-O-O-J-E-R. And you put that vest on and it tunnels it onto your body.

Ben:  You know, I have worn something like that at–it was Peter Diamandis' event, his longevity and anti-aging event. They had a bunch of AI people–or not AI–yeah, yeah. I guess it would have been AI. No, VR. And it's like a haptic sensation vest that you can wear–

Anthony:  Oh, man. Play some Call Of Duty with that thing on, man. Talk about tasking your autonomics, holy moly. But the strap, not a fan of. The vest, man, it is the dope sauce, I tell you one thing. And if you get your right tones and [00:58:14] _____ because it does have a Bluetooth thing, but I don't do that of course, I do it with the stereo plug. Oh man, it's nice.

Ben:  Yeah. Oh, wow.

Anthony:  It's a great experience.

Ben:  I have a sound healing table. I have the BioCharger came with the BioAcoustic table. And I'll get massages on that and just play really, really great sounds like the composer Michael Tyrell. He has some really good sound healing like whole tones–

Anthony:  They can put it in whole tones, yup.

Ben:  Oh, yeah. It's amazing. One of my buddies, I think he wore that. He's like a plant medicine practitioner and he got talked into wearing this Woojer like during a plant medicine protocol to enhance the effect. And he said he didn't like it, it was just like the weirdest thing ever. It's almost like distracting.

Anthony:  It is. Don't overdo it. Of course, everyone's going to do it of course. They're going to go Ben Greenfield on it. They're going to take it to the extreme. But you'll dial it back in, so have fun with it. But remember, anything that has the potential to be helpful, it can also be harmful. So, you got to do it in the context correctly. And you can overly tune and tone your body for sure. So, just be mindful of that.

Ben:  Alright, got it. Another thing that you talk about of course is EMF mitigation.

Anthony:  Yeah, sure.

Ben:  And obviously, I've done a lot of shows on that and unpacked it quite a bit. But I'm curious, have you ever looked into like BioGeometry or this concept of using almost like sacred shapes to create a black hole that absorbs a lot of these EMF-based frequencies?

Anthony:  Yes. I've studied extensively. I've done it with meters and oscilloscopes, and I have come to the clinical understanding that none of those do any mitigation at all. Haven't found one that does, not at all, none of these orgonites, none of the pyramids, none of those things. And I have done so much in it because listen, I love the geometry. I mean, it's God's signature on everything. As a matter of fact, when I look at the periodic table of elements, I look at it in a spiral, not in the chart that people do. There's some amazing shapes that no one has seen only if you train with me. In my preceptorship program, you learn that stuff, but it just doesn't. I mean, crystals, everything, all the shapes, the C60, I've played with all that stuff, using quantifiable, measurable, repeatable stuff, and even with biomarkers associated with that intervention. It's not in my toolbox to use or to teach, I just don't.

Ben:  Yeah.

Anthony:  It's cool though, man. I mean, there's a lot of really neat stuff out there.

Ben:  Yeah. I've tested a ton of those. The only other one I found that actually causes my HRV to instantly rise, like if I use the moment function on my Oura ring and put it on is the pendant, the BioGeometry pendant that you just wear around your neck. That one just seems to work.

Anthony:  Well, be mindful, some of these devices get a Geiger counter and take a look at the radioactivity on them. Of course, you can, of course, they'll do some things. There's various poisons that'll make you feel good, and a certain amount of radiation can actually make you feel good. Again, we're talking broadly here. I have found some of those pendants to be radioactive.

Ben:  Like they produce ionizing radiation?

Anthony:  That is correct.

Ben:  Really? Even if they're not electrical themselves, just the shapes themselves?

Anthony:  That's correct because you got to look at the company and where they get the minerals from that they press into the pendant.

Ben:  I interviewed this lady who wrote a book on hormesis, and she's involved with Blackhawk Minerals that sells radiated stones that you wear that emit things like uranium. And she sent me some cross. It's like King Solomon's stone and it's irradiated stones. I put that thing on and almost immediately felt nearly sick. I mean, it's producing a substantial amount of ionizing radiation. Interestingly, I stuck with it. The longer I wore it, the more the feeling went away. But still, when I put that thing on, I feel it right away. And of course they say, “Oh, you're detoxing,” or whatever, when you put it on. But man, some of these things you hang around your neck, they do produce ionizing radiation. I didn't think of measuring the BioGeometry one with a Geiger count or anything like that, but that's an interesting idea.

Anthony:  You got it. It's a really fun thing to do. And then, the other thing is like–I mean, it's one of these things in quantifying the environment because that's my principle Q2M2, qualify, quantify, measure, monitor. You'll learn that in the Balance Protocol Prime course. But our smoke detectors, they actually use radiation to actually do the detecting. So, there you have some of these americium, americum, americium. It's actually in smoke detectors. And I've had some people that have been in their environment, they like to sleep on the floor, and there was a smoke detector underneath them. So, in other words, there's things that you have to look at differently than what most of the time people are saying. Again, I'm not dogmatic about it. I mean, I have a phone, of course. I don't have any EMF in my house. Everything is all wired and stuff, and I talk about all that of course on the EMF module in the Balance Protocol Enviro course. You got to be mindful. That's what I tell people, quantify for you and in broader consideration than just that thing. Sometimes it's not good for you based upon your current status of systems biology.

Ben:  What would be the number one thing that you have in your home for EMF mitigation?

Anthony:  I have a server in my garage that everything comes into and everything is wired. So, that's the first thing. I don't have any smart technology in my house at all, not in my mouse, not in my keyboard, nothing. I mean, I don't have anything that does any of that stuff.

Ben:  What do you do for internet?

Anthony:  That's wired. I ran Shielded Cat6 to all my locations, yeah.

Ben:  Yeah, that's what we do is Cat6, Metal Shielded Ethernet.

Anthony:  Yup, absolutely. My house is awesome. You take a meter to it and you're like, “Oh.” People, they feel it, too, they're used to it. But again, if I step outside, I'm still getting some. In other words, don't be dogmatic about EMF, but limit your exposure, but there's a lot of that. I cover that exhaustively in the EMF module for sure.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah, you do. I went through all of that. One other question I wanted to ask you was about minerals, like our whole last podcast was all–well, not all about, but a big part of it was about mineral imbalances and electrolyte deficiencies. I think that's how I first met you was when I was using that oral IV supplement for some of my racing, and you were working with that company. And I know you're big time into electrolyte replenishment, but you talk about salts, for example, but do you have anything else that you're big on for addressing mineral imbalances or electrolyte deficiencies?

Anthony:  Yeah. So, I mean, you get it by default if you follow Balance Protocol‘s environmental inputs, air, water, light, sound, EMF, and food. It kind of self-lubricates. However, depending upon certain stressors that you put yourself into, like you and all the Spartan races and the World's Toughest Mudder, that kind of fun stuff. Remember that day? Oh, my god.

Ben:  Oh, the one out in Vegas?

Anthony:  Yeah. Remember when we were out there with–

Ben:  Oh, my goodness, it got so cold at night. Literally, I could barely feel my legs. I thought I was competing out in the desert covered in sweat and I'm just like hypothermic.

Anthony:  It was so bad. I would never do that again. But anyways, so the thing is is that I'm a big fan of minerals in my water and in my food. And then, of course, proper testing to evaluate them, to understand the nature of minerals in your body, you've got to do it through blood, and secondary is hair. And so, the thing is is those will give you the better picture and you can adjust for there. I mean, I'm more in love with potassium than I am sodium, that's for sure. It's rare that any ammonium is sodium deficient. That's why all these electrolyte products with all that sodium is crazy. Potassium is for the win. So, there's that.

But then, I'm also mindful of the difference in the different combinations because you can have a–it depends upon their valent charge on the periodic table. We're talking about a monovalent, cation, or a monovalent anion. And then, are they bound to a monovalent anion or cation? So, it just depends. So, they're going to act different. A zinc citrate is going to be entirely different than a zinc picolinate. A sodium chloride is going to be different than a sodium citrate. The actual full-on construct of the molecule itself is going to determine its chemistry and its effect on your electrochemistry. So, sodium chloride can actually coagulate blood, but sodium citrate can thin it out and increase its zeta potential.

So, minerals are awesome. I like them by their independent source, them separate from anything else, but of course we do supplement different ones for different things. It just depends upon where do I want to keep that zinc. Do I want it to go into the cell? Then I'll use a zinc orotate. Do I want to keep it in circulation in the blood to exert its effect there? Then I'm going to use it with a citrate, zinc citrate. So, it's different.

Ben:  Do you test people for mineral imbalances?

Anthony:  Every single one of my patients, it's mandatory.

Ben:  What kind of test?

Anthony:  Well, pound for pound, dollar for dollar, I like the Genova Diagnostics NutrEval Plasma. So, that way, I can eat some zinc, copper, magnesium, manganese, potassium, those guys in the proper source of where we're getting. There's a difference between RBC zinc and plasma zinc, it's different.

Ben:  That's a good test.

Anthony:  Yeah.

Ben:  So, this Balance program, people would sign up for that, and then can they just tackle it all on their own time like I did, just like download it all, and go through it, and read all the PDFs, and everything?

Anthony:  Yeah. So, Balance Protocol Prime, it is the–remember, that's the introduction to Balance Protocol, the method overall. Balance Protocol Enviro, that covers the first key of Balance Protocol. And then, of course, my coming programs are Balance Protocol Gastro, which is key number two, Balance Protocol Neuro, which is, of course, key number three, and so forth. So, Enviro is about almost 50 hours of instruction in videos broken up into the air, water, light, sound, and EMF, and nutrition wealth. So, there's that. Prime is free. You got to invest in Enviro because it's a heavy course. It's not one, and you know, it's not one of these ones where it's the quick little–

Ben:  Yeah. I converted it all to MP3s and listened to it while I was out walking and stuff. And then, just after I'd go for a walk, I'd review the PDFs during lunch. It only took me about a week to get through, all said and done. But usually, I'll do that stuff and just like take a deep immersive dive. And so, it's a really good program though, really good. And again, Leland turned me onto it, then I checked it out, and then got you on the show to talk about some of the stuff because I actually think it's a really great one for people who want to optimize their environment for the things that we've talked about today like air, light, water, electricity, sound, et cetera. So, it's pretty darn comprehensive.

Anthony:  Yeah, it is. I really was long-winded in it because I didn't want to have people spend all the time going around to all the different sources for it and try to put it all together, and the big differences, and there is including inclusionary and exclusionary criteria, and methods to quantify it for you specifically. So, yeah, it is really good. I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's one of the things that it's a starting point for everybody, regardless of what you're trying to do, increase performance or try to resolve any type of chronic disease. And I know that it sounds like a commercial. Okay, got it, I'm a capitalist. But at the same time, it's robust. I mean, it's pretty exhaustive of–

Ben:  Yes. And practitioners can do it, too.

Anthony:  Oh, sure. And all the doctors who train with me, all my clinicians, they go through a long training procedure with me personally and they all realize that I got to make this pretty–not mandatory, but hardly and emphatically encouraged for all of them to enroll and go through because it saves them a lot of time, too, because you can self-steer. Because when we're consulting with patients, we only have so much time, right? There's only so much time, and there's just so much to get in to transfer from one person's brain or thing into theirs. And so, that type of coursework is really beneficial for doing that and saves them a lot of consulting time and money. So, I'm quite proud of it. It's a wonderful thing. The upcoming programs for gastro, and neuro, and immuno, those are mind-boggling, too. I just–wow. I have to hold myself back because I can just go in for so many areas.

Ben:  Well, I wish I had a full list of all these different–at the beginning of the podcast, you list all those doctors and all those books. There's so much there, but obviously, if you've already studied up the guys, I'm all about the–another McKeown. You talk about Patrick McKeown and Greg McKeown. He wrote a book called “Effortless,” and a big part of it is don't reinvent the wheel. Some expert has already studied up on a bunch of stuff and saved you the work of having to read all the books, just good expert, and listen to their stuff because they distill down the information a lot of times in a culturally appropriate manner. Meaning, if some book was written in the 1700s and you've read it and distilled on that information to something that someone in the 2000s can more easily digest, I'm all about going that route and working smarter not harder.

So, if any of you do want to work smarter, not harder, and dig into Beck's brain, I'll link to his programs and everything else that we discuss along with my–I'll link to my first interview with him as well because we talk about some really cool stuff there like shrooms, and plant medicine, and the dangers they're in potentially, eating seasonally, lectins, a whole bunch more.

Anthony:  And there's a second one. So, this our third time on here together.

Ben:  Yeah, that's true, this is our third time, yeah, because we did one on minerals and electrolytes as well.

Anthony:  Yeah.

Ben:  So, yeah. So, I'll link to all that if you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com/primepodcast. That's BenGreenfieldFitness.com/primepodcast. And Anthony, as usual, it's been amazing having you on the show, your wealth of knowledge. And I like that you're a smart doc, but as you said, you're a good old country boy, too.

Anthony:  That's it.

Ben:  Much love, man.

Anthony:  Thank you. Much love to you, too, ben.

Ben:  Alright, folks. Well. I'm Ben Greenfield along with Dr. Anthony Beck signing out from BenGreenfieldFitness.com/primepodcast. Have an amazing week.

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Dr. Anthony G. Beck first appeared on my podcast in October 2015 for the show “The Physician Who Personally Advises The World’s Leading Health Authorities, And His Tiny Invention That Pro Athletes Swear By.” I then invited Dr. Beck to come back 3 years later, in March 2018, for “The Danger Of ‘Shrooms, Eating & Supplementing “Seasonally”, Whether Lectins Are Really Bad For You & Much More With Dr. Anthony G. Beck!“

Another 3 years have gone by and I'm psyched to be welcoming Dr. Beck back to the podcast to discuss his unique Balance Protocol approach to health and medicine, including his top tips for optimizing your air, light, water, sound, EMF, food, and much more.

Dr. Anthony G. Beck is an author, speaker, and leader in the medical world with over 27 years of experience in the areas of Integrative and Functional Medicine, Chinese Medicine, Clinical Nutrition, Orthomolecular Medicine, Hormone Replacement Therapy, Sports Medicine, and Exercise Physiology. He has earned four national medical board certifications and an international fellowship.

Dr. Beck is the Medical Director for Balance Protocol Foundation, which provides benevolent health care for U.S. military special forces operators and their families, and is the founder and chief medical officer for Balance Protocol Institute, a preceptorship training program for practitioners and clinicians who desire to learn how to wield the powerful clinical method known as Balance Protocol.

As a physician who has practiced Integrative and Functional Medicine for over 27 years, Dr. Anthony G. Beck doesn’t merely manage diseases—he helps people resolve them. With an extensive education in many clinical disciplines such as Integrative Medicine, Functional Medicine, Clinical Nutrition, Systems Biology, Epigenetics, and Nutrigenomics, Dr. Beck takes a dynamic approach to assessing, educating, and working with his patients to achieve their highest levels of well-being.

Even more importantly, Dr. Beck looks to educate and empower patients to demand a higher level of care from their health care providers. Dr. Beck’s methods involve an array of aspects including a healthful lifestyle design, individualized nutrition, hormone balancing, resolving immune dysfunction and hidden infectious diseases, extensive laboratory and functional testing, detoxification, and preventative medicine.

In this podcast, we discuss the principles and practice of Dr. Beck's Balance Protocol program, along with biotransformation, water filtration, wearables, and much more!

During this discussion, you'll discover:

-How cancel culture hits home…07:30

  • Anthony got de-platformed for “telling the truth”
  • True research vs. Google searching
  • He's a scientist at heart and wants the truth
  • 27 years in the realm of integrative and functional medicine

-Anthony's old-school learning process vs. Dr. Google…11:35

  • Anthony didn't have a mentor
  • He's gone off the work of previous physician titans, like Dr. George Watson and many others
  • Nutrition and Your Mindby Dr. George Watson
  • Scientific observation and trying to prove things wrong
  • Laboratory assessments and thousands of years of looking into a microscope
  • Anthony's mentors have been his tens of thousands of patients

-The Balance Protocol method…15:05

-Biotransformation 101…18:55

  • “The body is a great big vat of electrochemistry”
  • Everything is EMF
  • The problem with the periodic table of elements is that there is no number for magnetism
  • Everything should always be positive and negative
  • Every single thing is CHO (carbon, hydrogen, oxygen)
  • Biotransformation is the process of other stuff becoming us
  • Coated gene P450
  • Depends on unique characteristics of each individual

-How the body is “one giant excretion machine”…26:50

-The oil which lubes the machine that is Dr. Anthony G. Beck…35:05

-Anthony's water filtration set up…44:45

  • 5-stage reverse osmosis (RO) system
  • Non-water based beverages: Zeviasoda, Waterloo
  • Remineralize water with sea salt
  • Anthony's favorite salt is Fleur De Sel
  • Topo Chicomineral water
  • Gerolsteiner
  • Chromophore: when different electrochemistry affects the way water acts when light hits the cell
  • Biology of Beliefby Bruce Lipton
  • The chemistry of fatty acids and amino acids affect how your body reacts to water and light

-Why you may want to avoid wearing some of the more popular wearables on the market…50:35

– How Anthony uses sound to tune and tone his body…54:10

– Why Anthony isn't completely sold on the concept of BioGeometry…1:00:00

– Mineral and electrolyte imbalances addressed…1:04:40

  • Add minerals into food and water
  • To understand the nature of minerals in the body, you need to test through blood or hair
  • Potassium > Sodium
  • The construct of each molecule is going to affect your personal chemistry differently
  • Anthony does mandatory mineral and electrolyte imbalances on all his patients
  • Genova Diagnostics NutrEval FMV
  • Effortlessby Greg McKeown

– Anthony's Balance Protocol Program breakdown…1:08:00

  • Balance Protocol
    • Balance Protocol Prime (free)
    • Balance Protocol Enviro
    • Balance Protocol Gastro
    • Balance Protocol Neuro
    • Balance Protocol Amino

-And much more!

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2 thoughts on “[Transcript] – Biotransformation, Why Your Body Is A Giant “Excretion Machine,” The Danger Of Wearables, Air, Water, Light, Sound & EMF Optimization & Much More With Dr. Anthony G. Beck.

  1. Dan R. says:

    Wow, I would love to get tested for mineral imbalances!! At the last appt my doctor told me to get more omega-3s, so I’ve been trying to eat a ton of sustainable seafood (https://lummiislandwild.com/sustainable-seafood/ here’s my fave!!) which it seems like we have in common. Any other suggestions for omega-3s?

  2. Bill Montgomery says:

    I wear a Fitbit on one wrist and a Whoop on the other. Have done so for a couple years. I get a itchy red spot underneath the Whoop that goes away if I take it off for a day.

    You were not clear about the other negatives from the constant light. Guess I don’t understand.

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