[Transcript] – Can You Get Healed By Someone Praying For You & “Laying On Of Hands”? The Story Of One Physician’s Inspiring Faith And The Healing Power Of Prayer, With Dr. Issam Nemeh.

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[00:00:00] Introduction

[00:00:55] Guests and Podcast Introduction

[00:04:23] Podcast Sponsors

[00:06:46] At Dr. Issam Nemeh Home 

[00:08:48] How Issam can recall the moment of his birth in vivid detail

[00:13:34] How Issam heard and responded to the call to service to God

[00:19:02] When prayer and faith-based healing entered the picture 

[00:26:11] The nuts and bolts of tracking healing as it's happening in real-time

[00:30:03] Podcast Sponsors

[00:32:11] cont. The nuts and bolts of tracking healing as it's happening in real-time

[00:34:44] Software Issam is currently developing to track healing frequencies

[00:39:21] Observations made during Ben's treatment in Dr. Nemeh's clinic

[00:44:53] Does Issam feel God is working through his medical instruments to combine faith healing with modern technology?

[00:52:08] Why simple faith is not enough to bring about healing

[00:54:39] How negative and positive emotions affect the body's ability to heal

[00:59:40] Issam performing a healing on Ben in real-time

[01:03:44] How much of Dr. Nemeh's body of knowledge is born of experience, and of book learning

[01:06:58] How Issam keeps hours that resemble a bona fide workaholic with a spirit of grace, joy, and gratitude

[01:10:53] New Tech Dr. Issam Nemeh has coming down the pike

[01:16:26] Closing the Podcast

[01:18:14] Legal Disclaimer

Ben:  On this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness podcast.

Issam:  Our consciousness is not restricted to our physical body. Our consciousness is connected everything around us. Simply, I can call it the language of consciousness.

Ben:  And, you can capture this in a waveform.

Issam:  We've captured hundreds and hundreds of measurements.

Ben:  Do you feel that these are ways to combine modern technology with this ancient form of faith healing that you feel was probably something you were born with?

Issam:  That's a beautiful question.

Ben:  Health, performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show.

[Ashley Nemeh Singing “Amazing Grace”]

Alright, folks, the interview that you're about to hear was recorded after I had a chance to go through a treatment with a so-called faith healer, Issam Nemeh based out of Cleveland, Cleveland physician. He has healed tens of thousands of people. His whole book about him called “Miracles Every Day: The Story of One Physician's Inspiring Faith and the Healing Power of Prayer.” Apparently, the guy works miracles. No, I'm serious. I didn't believe this at first, but the stories in the book and the testimonials of legitimate trustworthy people, many of whom I know, is somewhat mind-blowing. We're talking injuries healed, and cancers cured, and sights and hearing restored. You got to read the book to learn even more about what this guy does and how powerful his work is. I mean, if I could just give you a little flavor, there's one article that was in the news recently.

It says, “When Dr. Nemeh was 15 years old, he had a vision that he would share his gift of faith with thousands. But first, he would have to form a solid basis for his ministry with a medical practice. So, midway through his career, he switched to the practice of meridian regulatory acupuncture, MRA, which is different than traditional Chinese acupuncture. Consists of two parts: a diagnostic procedure and treatment procedure. Diagnosis involves measuring the electrical resistance of the body at different points on the skin known as meridian points. These measurements are graphed and treatment is performed with a small needle, temporarily inserted for a few seconds.” By the way, he did that to me. He diagnosed me. He did a bunch of treatments on me. The article goes on.

He says, “He made a career change because he felt the Lord told him this new practice would give him a one-on-one time to work with people.” And, by the way, you guys, people go to his office, he'll be in there with them for one or two hours. Isn't like a 15-minute get-in, get-out. The guy checks, so we can go buy fancy cars and driving around wearing a purple suit on TV. See, he's not one of these guys. I realized this after hanging out with him. So, “only six days a week, he combines acupuncture and prayer for his patients. And, Sundays are spent standing for nine hours in churches and meeting halls without a break at different healing services.” Although, apparently, he doesn't do as much of those now with COVID and everything. But the article goes on: “Cancer tumors vanished, vision is restored, other dramatic healings take place after we praise for people.” Really interesting guy. Obviously, I just interview so many doctors and healers. I had to do a show with this guy.

So, I hope you find it interesting. All of the shownotes, I will put at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/MiraclesEveryDay. That's BenGreenfieldFitness.com/MiraclesEveryDay.

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Welcome to the show. I am here at the home of Dr. Issam Nemeh. I just left his clinic where we spent, what, about 45 minutes to an hour.

Issam:  About an hour.

Ben:  Going through a series of very unique treatments, electroacupuncture and vibration, and pulsed electromagnetic field therapy, and a wonderful conversation during. And, I wasn't quite sure what to expect when I dropped in to see you but it was quite a unique experience. And then, we went over to your house to record today's show. Your wife, Cathy, told me that she wanted us to have some lunch before we recorded. And, of course, I never turned down food, so I said yes. And, I walked in and we've got this spread of a dozen different Syrian delicacies, and desserts, and wonderful foods, many of which I never even seen before. But I just had an amazing meal. My apologies to all of our listeners if I dropped into a food coma while we're chatting. 

And then, your daughter, Ashley, I didn't realize you had such a talented family. She sang us a beautiful song before dinner and played us some for music on Spotify after dinner. And so, I thought as an interesting way to begin today's show that I'd finagle Ashley into singing us in just because she has the voice of an angel. And, you guys, I'd be remiss not to share with you her voice that I was so blessed to have just heard.

So, Dr. Nemeh, where did she get that from? She got that from you?

Issam:  I think so.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  Yeah. When did you first realize that your daughter could sing like that?

Issam:  Since she was very tiny kid.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  So, we knew early on she has that gift.

Ben:  Amazing.

Issam:  Yeah.

Ben:  Wow. Wow. And, you also, I suppose this might be a good place for us to start, feel as though you were given a gift as well from an early age.

Issam:  My story is different. I cannot call it a gift, I call it a belonging because it's the state of mind that binds you, actually, to our Lord. And, the laws that apply are different from the natural laws here. So, it's a nature, it's not a gift. That's how I call it, belonging to the Lord. It started very early in life. I mean, I can recall even the birth and who was there.

Ben:  You can call your own birth.

Issam:  I can recall.

Ben:  Do you mean in vivid detail or?

Issam:  In vivid details, even with the names, and who delivered me, and everything. And, every day since–

Ben:  That's not common. I mean, I'm sure you're aware of that.

Issam:  I've encountered a couple over the years that they could recall some memories, but here, it was in detail and I had the encounter actually. I think, it's God's will in it in order for me to be able to share a knowledge that is not available when it comes to our fallen nature, basically, to the original sin itself. Because here, once you take your first breath, you become a separate entity. That's when the ego starts. I recall that moment. And, it's an overwhelming type of experience because a different consciousness before. It's just an awareness of belonging to God. Basically, we come from him. And, it's so overwhelming for the senses, it drives you actually sort of pushes you into the physical experience. And, this was the moment where I was not happy about it because I suffered separation.

Ben:  When you were a baby?

Issam:  When was born.

Ben:  What do you mean you suffered separation?

Issam:  Separation, I felt the separation from God when this happened. The scar was so deep, that's when I had the first encounter with the Lord Jesus.

Ben:  You mean prior to being born, you feel as though that you were intimately with God, and then after being born, you were brought into a space where you felt disconnected from God here on earth?

Issam:  For the separation, yeah. And, it was scarring. And, that's when I had the encounter with the Lord. And, he told me, “If you want to come back with me, you can. I prefer you to be here. But it's your decision.” So, I'm guilty of the original sin. And so, I decided to, “Okay, I'll stay here.” And, He started disappearing. But during the process of His disappearance–

Ben:  You mean the regret or the angst over needing to be on earth now sort of disappearing?

Issam:  No, the Lord started disappearing.

Ben:  The Lord started disappearing.

Issam:  Okay.

Ben:  His voice coming to you–

Issam:  Yeah. Turned around, started disappearing. So, the last thing I said, “Please, don't allow me to forget.” And, His last word was, “You will never forget.” And, I haven't forgotten our day since the time of my birth.

Ben:  What did you ask not to forget?

Issam:  I didn't want to forget my belonging to Him.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  Interesting. I mean, you obviously have a fascinating story. There's an entire book for those of you listening in which is where I first discovered Issam called “Miracles Every Day, The Story Of One Physician's Inspiring Faith And The Healing Power Of Prayer.” And, if you go and look at some of the articles about Dr. Nemeh that I'll link to if you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com/MiraclesEveryDay, it's fascinating, this whole concept of healing that you do. And, I originally had the impression that you were one of these people who just laid your hands on someone and did some kind of a prayer for hands-on healing. And, when I visited your clinic, I see that you also have all manner of technology, electroacupuncture and PEMF, and the vibration therapy, and all these devices that you use, and that you have a background in electrical engineering as well.

So, walk me through what occurs from this time that you were born, that you felt as though you had been connected with God, you had that calling to God not to forget that. But then, going in on into life, did you feel as though you were called to something different? And if so, how did you come to develop–

Issam:  Definitely, I had that feeling and it continued by the age of around 14. And, I was walking down the street in front of a church. I had a vision, vision actually of what I am doing today. Yeah. And, it overwhelmed me because it happened when I was outside. And, I had a deep type of–and knowing about what I'm going to be doing in the future but I didn't have the details. So, this definitely influenced my decision.

Ben:  Like how not having the details are you talking? You knew you were supposed to help people but you didn't know what that looked like or?

Issam:  In fact, no. I knew the general concept of what I'm doing but I didn't know the fine details about, let's say, delivering, treating stuff like that. Okay.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  The concept, in general, was revealed. And, I started with the electronic engineering. I didn't want to stay there. So, I shifted to the medical school.

Ben:  To medical school.

Issam:  Medical school. Then I had the interest, a lot of interest when it comes to energy in general medicine and stuff like that. I was very inspired about that stuff.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  From early on.

Ben:  Yeah. I can tell you, you're a little bit of a nerd in that department because you're showing me all these devices that you've invented for therapy. We can get into that later on, artificial intelligence software and all sorts of crazy things I hadn't seen before. But you got that because originally you were in electrical engineering or at least that's what you were interested in, then you decided to shift into medicine.

Issam:  Yes, in physics, in general. And, after medical school, I went into medicine. I was in Germany at that time.

Ben:  Is that where you went to medical schools in Germany?

Issam:  No, in Poland.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  Then from Poland, moved to Germany, West Germany at that time. And, from Germany, I had actually a vision before about coming to America at an early age, actually, I knew. And–

Ben:  That was almost part of the calling that you had was to be in America?

Issam:  Yeah, definitely. And, the way I came here was miraculous too because they were not giving any visas to any guy who is born in Syria at that time.

Ben:  Yeah. Yeah, that's right. We didn't mention that, but you were born in Syria.

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  Jewish, Italian, is that what you've said?

Issam:  The origin is Jewish, Italian, yeah.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  And then, when I came here, I did general surgery for about three years and they switched to anesthesia and did open heart. But during all that time, I had that interest when it comes to what I'm doing today. Let's say measuring patients, checking the electrical resistance, and stuff like that. The Japanese doctor, Nagatani started that. I was very interested in that type of–

Ben:  You mean, the very first thing that we did when I visited your clinic today, you actually self-quantified and you're measuring?

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  And, perhaps later on after you finish telling your story about how you came to do what you do now, we can get into what exactly that was.

Issam:  Yes. So–

Ben:  But it was just fascinating.

Issam:  We started measuring my patients, let's say, before taking them for the open heart, before and after. And, they started noticing trends. They have repeated themselves with every patient. Let's say when it comes to the coronary, let's say artery.

Ben:  Right.

Issam:  And, I expanded that into different systems in the body: lungs, vascular, neural, stuff like this. And, based upon tens of thousands actually of treatments that I've done and following up with my patients, I ended up developing the diagnostic program.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  And, it's an artificial intelligence program.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. Now, when people write about you and when you're described in this book, “Miracles Every Day,” I would say that at least I personally got the impression that there was a great deal incorporated into what you do this idea of prayer and of faith-based healing. At what point did that enter the picture? And, how did you actually kind of have that realization that it was a gift that you had?

Issam:  That picture has been with me since childhood.

Ben:  Did you heal people when you were a child?

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  Tell me about that.

Issam:  We used to see a lot of family members or neighbors, elderly people. I've taken care of a lot of them at that time and they used to experience a lot of healings.

Ben:  You mean, they would literally come to you when you were a child and you would put your hands on them?

Issam:  Yes. They asked me to come–

Ben:  And, you would pray for them?

Issam:  Yes, I did.

Ben:  And, could you tell inside of your body as a child when you would put your hands on these sick people that something was happening?

Issam:  The connectedness. Yes. Yeah.

Ben:  How would you describe that to people? What's that feeling like?

Issam:  Our consciousness is not restricted to our physical body, our consciousness is connected to everything around us. And, in here, when you belong, the original awareness plays a major role when it comes to your perception. So, if anything is happening in your body, I perceive it as happening in my body. I mean, literally to that–

Ben:  You mean, if I were anxious or stressed right now, you would sense that within your body?

Issam:  I can sense it.

Ben:  Interesting.

Issam:  Yes. And, even pains and a lot of people have dealt with over the years. They lost their speech, they could not talk or communicate, I was able to localize actually their pains.

Ben:  When someone would be in the same room as you, could you tell even without them speaking to you or talking to you that something was wrong with them or they were feeling pain in a specific area because you would feel something similar?

Issam:  Yes, yes. To that degree. And, even when I communicate with people over the internet.

Ben:  Wow.

Issam:  I feel them the same way because there is no space, no time when it comes to our consciousness. It's a non-locality.

Ben:  So, is what you're referring to, would it be similar to a collective consciousness like the idea that we're all a member of the same species living on this planet and we're all somehow interconnected via more of a quantum, like a photonic standpoint that many of us are even aware of or then what might be provable but that when one person feels, or sees or senses something that someone else who is connected to them in that quantum manner can feel or sense or see the same thing?

Issam:  Exactly. It's a quantum field.

Ben:  Does everyone have the ability to be able to tap into that quantum field that you think that you're special?

Issam:  Yes. Based upon our origin, every single one of us is equipped. The consciousness is a quantum field, a field that has all possibilities and probabilities in it. I mean, how many decisions can we make ourselves? Infinite number of decisions.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  So, our origin is from the same place. And, scientifically speaking, yeah, you could call it belonging to the same quantum field.

Ben:  So, if you knew that you had this gift, that you had this skill when you were young, why didn't you just go straight into medicine? Why did you choose electrical engineering instead? It seems like an odd transition.

Issam:  I mean, to start with, I had that thing caring about other people, and the experiences that I had had at the time before making that decision were very clear cut for me, it's caring about the others.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  And, I was experiencing healings at that time, too.

Ben:  Describe to me one of the healings.

Issam:  People having, let's say, bad spinal issues especially in the elderly or stuff like that or injuries and getting the healing just by putting my hands on them.

Ben:  You told me when we were back at your office that there was someone who was actually paralyzed?

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  Tell me about that.

Issam:  We had actually taped, we taped that at the time we went doing the research. And, the lady was in Toledo and she had a crushed spinal cord at the upper lumbar level and she was completely paralyzed. And, we did it via Skype and the recording was done in Virginia. You could see it from the start till the end. When she got up–

Ben:  She was in Virginia and you were there?

Issam:  No, she was in Toledo, I was here in Cleveland. And, the recording was happening in Virginia about the frequencies that were–

Ben:  They were recording the actual frequencies in Virginia.

Issam:  Frequencies of the healing that was happening in the lady.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  And then, we taped it.

Ben:  How are they recording this?

Issam:  Via Skype.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  And, they were recording, they had the instrumentation.

Ben:  Oh, I see, so they had both of you on Skype. She was in Toledo.

Issam:  Toledo.

Ben:  You were here, a team in Virginia and filming this.

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  Is this film available for people to see?

Issam:  I think, yeah, they have it. I have to ask Cathy all the recordings and all that. And, right from being completely paralyzed to standing and walking. But what is interesting about those things–

Ben:  What did you do to get her to stand up and walk? You just prayed.

Issam:  The prayer and the intention with the prayer. It translates itself. Actually, at one time, I had a similar case and it was in Virginia though. The case and I was communicating through the Skype and recorded the frequencies during the time of the healing. So, I took those, the recording itself, applied it through magnets on another patient with the same diagnosis, and recovered. So, the future plan is to delve deeper into that type of therapy.

Ben:  Do you feel anything in your body when someone is healed? When you are with them, you described how you could sense an area, or an illness, or an injury that they might have that needs to be dealt with. But then, let's say you were to place your hands on someone, or pray over them, or even pray over them virtually such as via Skype, do you feel something click inside you when you know that the work has been done or that they're on the road of healing?

Issam:  I feel the frequencies of the healing. And, I even hear it.

Ben:  What's it feel like?

Issam:  It feels like an info. It's like you are downloading the info. Yeah, it feels like that. Actually, we have the first paper. I made it available on the web.

Ben:  Yeah, you were telling me about that paper in your office. What's the paper exactly? Because I'll look it up and put it in the shownotes.

Issam:  It's about the frequencies that we've recorded.

Ben:  Is it on PubMed or something like that?

Issam:  It's on drnemeh.com.

Ben:  Okay, drnemeh.com. I'll find it and link to it in the shownotes. Okay. So, what's this paper about exactly?

Issam:  It's about the recording the frequencies during the time of the prayer.

Ben:  Okay. So, when you say frequencies or people who are listening, you might not understand, are these brainwave frequencies that you're measuring or what kind of frequencies?

Issam:  No, the frequencies we're measuring are the frequencies that manifest themselves during the time of the prayer on the Skype itself.

Ben:  Okay. Oh, I see. “Measurement and analysis of continuous and discrete modulated emissions recorded during healing, intercessory prayer.” And, you have a whole paper on this. So, you describe it in the paper as electromagnetic monitoring. How does that work exactly?

Issam:  Oscilloscopes.

Ben:  Oscilloscopes, okay.

Issam:  We use oscilloscopes.

Ben:  Is this similar to measuring because some people, to measure whether someone's electrochemical balance is proper, they'll measure what's called the phase angle of the body. Is it something similar to this?

Issam:  It's different.

Ben:  Okay. How does it work exactly?

Issam:  That's the subject of–

Ben:  That's the subject of the paper. What are you using for the measurement? Is it similar to what I was holding and using?

Issam:  No.

Ben:  What's an oscilloscope?

Issam:  That was not.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  Yeah.

Ben:  And, how would you describe an oscilloscope to people?

Issam:  Oscilloscope is an instrument that measures frequencies.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  Alright, so you're measuring cellular frequencies?

Issam:  No, measuring the info coming from the quantum field down to the physical body.

Ben:  Okay. Alright, so these are things that really and the people wouldn't be familiar with having measured before.

Issam:  Yeah. Simply, I can call it the language of consciousness.

Ben:  Wow. And, you can capture this in a waveform. We've captured hundreds and hundreds of measurements. And, I hear it every time I'm praying with somebody, especially on the web. So, this is measurable, this is quantifiable using an oscilloscope, but you personally, as a human being, have been able to almost be a human oscilloscope since a very early age.

Issam:  We are oscilloscopes too.

Ben:  We are, not just you are, but all things are.

Issam:  We are antennas.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  Yes, we can perceive many things.

Ben:  Do you think that very similar to how in an era of Google Maps, and GPS, and satellite imagery that we have perhaps lost a more natural ancestral ability to be able to, let's say, sense north, south, east and west intuitively that human beings actually do have the capability to be able to interact with each other in a far deeper more meaningful and almost a quantum photonic way that many of us simply do not know how to do or are not aware enough of those abilities to be able to tap into?

Issam:  100%.

Ben:  Can it be taught?

Issam:  You have to raise the consciousness to a certain level where you be able to perceive those things.

Ben:  And, when you say raise the consciousness, is that a path of spiritual enlightenment that you raise a consciousness?

Issam:  You can call it spiritual mindset. And, you can actually lead people into that type of state of mind that could allow them the access. And, to tell you the truth, that's our origin to begin with. And, the thing that we forget about by the age of four, five.

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People who have this elevated level of consciousness, do you see patterns in them in terms of the way that they're living, or things that they do that allow them to be able to be more conscious of other human beings in the way that you are?

Issam:  Usually. Usually, that's the case. Now, in this, we can perceive each other. I recognize right away without knowing the people.

Ben:  Are there common characteristics that you see in these people?

Issam:  It's a feeling, feeling of connectedness that you perceive. Same thing applies between mother and child. When there's something happening, they are connected. And, there are many cases actually presented, documented cases of that type of connectedness between two individuals.

Ben:  Would you say that a practice of mindfulness and presence would be an example of something that you'd see in someone who's able to detect that consciousness to a degree?

Issam:  Yes. And, some of my patients actually, the chronic ones that stuck with me for a longer time or some individuals too that did stick themselves with me ended up perceiving having that type of perception develop in them. So, yes. And, it's part of every single one of us, a part that we are having amnesia.

Ben:  When you're healing people in this fashion, do you feel as though it tires you? Does it exhaust you? Because I sometimes think about, for example, Jesus Christ in the New Testament and how He knew, how He felt almost a power come out of Him when, for example, a woman who was sick would touch His garments and He would feel that power come out of Him. Does this tire you? Does it exhaust you when you're healing people?

Issam:  It depends on the case. It depends on the particular case. So, people are connected. Actually, I experienced a healing myself too.

Ben:  What healing did you experience?

Issam:  I feel if I'm having any pains or anything like this that are affecting me during that time, I feel the healing through myself. And then, sometimes I feel a lot of pain.

Ben:  You do.

Issam:  Because I perceive them especially when there is resistance, let's say, or a case where people were very abused in their life. And, I feel that sadness. That part really makes me suffer with them. Yeah.

Ben: Wow. I came into your clinic this morning prior to that fantastic lunch that we just had, and you spent about 45 minutes with me, and you began by placing an object in my hands that seemed to be some kind of a currency type of device. It was a grounding device, a grounding rod that you placed in my hand. And then, you proceeded to take some measurements on me using a device that allowed the software that was connected from that device to your computer to quantify something about my body. What exactly was that? What was the initial measurement you were doing on me?

Issam:  Yeah. The initial measurements was based upon giving about 200 microamps of electricity along different meridians.

Ben:  Okay. So, you were measuring readings.

Issam:  Checking conductivity along those lines.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  It's a simple straightforward.

Ben:  Is that something commonly done in, for example, acupuncture or traditional Chinese medicine?

Issam:  I wouldn't say commonly. The Japanese, usually it started with that, and in Germany. The original measurement started in Germany in the early '50s.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  Yes. Yes, some people do use that. Yes.

Ben:  And, in this software that is then identifying which body systems, which body parts might be ill or in some kind of a state of dis-ease, that's something that's picked up as you measure these meridians.

Issam:  Yeah, a lot of authorities try to develop it as such. And, from my experience over many years and based upon tens of thousands actually that I've treated, the interpretation is not that kind of a simple like going a long meridian. Let's say, it will give me the picture, full picture about the lungs. It's way more complicated than that because here, in our body, we do circulate a bioelectrical field. And, it runs through tributaries, and okay, it branches out. Now, if you have any pathology or any impediment along a certain line, it will shift part of the bioelectrical field that is flowing through that, to different tributaries. And, if the other tributaries are involved, it will shift through different tributaries too. So, I cannot just take one measurement. And, based upon that measurement along a certain meridian and draw the conclusion, I have to look at other areas too in conjunction with that. So, the interpretation is more complex. That's how I developed the AI, diagnostic AI based upon that.

Ben:  And, is that software using diagnostic AI, artificial intelligence?

Issam:  No, this one that I used on you?

Ben:  Uh-huh.

Issam:  No.

Ben:  But you're developing kind of [00:37:43]_____.

Issam:  I finished it already.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  Are you using it now in your practice?

Issam:  No, I'm not using it in my practice. I'll be testing that next week.

Ben:  Okay, okay. So, this is all kind of new, some of these measurements that you're doing then in terms of the technology that you're developing.

Issam:  The measurements are the same, the same principle, but the interpretation is we have our own already software done.

Ben:  Did you decide that you wanted to develop AI software because you wanted to take what you currently do and what you know to be scalable to other physicians, for example, to be able to use this same software?

Issam:  For the future. Right now is as a wellness. In general, as a wellness tool in a sense, it will allow you, it will be on your phone, and it will allow you actually to assess the effect of different things that you are experiencing during your daily life with their food, or activities, or anything like that.

Ben:  If it's on your phone, for example, I wear this continuous blood glucose monitor on my arm, and conceptually it's pretty simple, I use my phone, the app on my phone to scan that and get my blood glucose, would someone be needing to wear some kind of a sensor or a patch similarly–

Issam:  No, the tool I developed will be wireless.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  A small tool. And, they can show you the pictures of it.

Ben:  And, it would tie to an app of a phone.

Issam:  Yeah, wirelessly. It will be tying into the app.

Ben:  Okay. So, to explain this to people, you can use myself as an example if you would like when you scanned me, and then you looked at the computer, what are you looking for at that point before you begin a treatment in terms of what the computer is telling you?

Issam:  I'll draw the conclusions about the areas that are involved in your body.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  It's sort of mapping from me.

Ben:  What type of things did you notice when you scanned me?

Issam:  It needs your–

Ben:  Proprietary information.

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  You have my permission to share.

Issam:  Oh, okay. No, I noticed some microcirculation issue.

Ben:  Microcirculation.

Issam:  Yes. And, it was 100% related to the upper back and neck area. There was some abnormality there. And, there are other things that I could read as a result like a fatigue I can predict. Okay, I could predict a little bit of anxiety that was related actually to the same problem.

Ben:  To the anxiety related to the same upper neck and back problem.

Issam:  Yes, yes. Okay. And, it tells me exactly what I have to do physically speaking when it comes to the therapy I delivered.

Ben:  So, at that point then, what are some of the tools that you rely upon?

Issam:  Many things we could use when it comes to this system from microcurrents down to light, even magnetic fields, even sound.

Ben:  Okay. So, I think the first thing that you did was you took out, I believe you referred to as electroacupuncture.

Issam:  Microcurrent.

Ben:  And, how does that work, microcurrent?

Issam:  Microcurrent along the meridians. The current I used is a DC current. And, the DC current is more physiological.

Ben:  The DC current, yeah.

Issam:  DC current more physiological than any AC you use.

Ben:  Yeah, I've interviewed a few people who develop electromyostimulation devices for muscle training.

Issam:  Okay.

Ben:  And, the best ones use a DC current.

Issam:  DC current.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah.

Issam:  I've noticed that years back. Okay. So, I use a microcurrent, minute, minute amount.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  And, by doing that, you open actually the channels.

Ben:  So, it's very similar to acupuncture except those needles weren't really penetrating my skin, they're resting on the surface of the skin with electrical conductivity applied to the actual needles themselves.

Issam:  Yes. And, it does change the conductivity along those lines. So, opens up this system. Now, the effects of the system are tremendous. Actually, it optimizes the environment for the cells to function.

Ben:  You think better than acupuncture?

Issam:  Way better.

Ben:  Wow.

Issam:  Actually, what we can achieve is way different and more powerful. Yeah. Now, we have permanent results.

Ben:  Wow. Well, do people need to come back for repeat treatments, or do you typically find something like microcurrent has a lasting effect?

Issam:  Lasting effect, many patients that came my way especially with neuromuscular or skeletal muscular problems. Many, many of them actually was one-time experience.

Ben:  Wow.

Issam:  And, over the years, I've never had any patient that came back with the same problem when I was done with their therapy.

Ben:  Really.

Issam:  Never.

Ben:  Wow. Okay. So, you've got the electroacupuncture and then you also had some type of, it was like a large white circular device that you placed on different sections of my body that vibrated and that, I think, you told me was creating some kind of a magnetic signal also.

Issam:  Yes, the magnetic field.

Ben:  And, what was that?

Issam:  Magnetic field and I measured the strength of it and the penetration about 12 inches.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  But I mean, long time ago, I noticed when you do that, it affects all tissues, nerve muscles, bones and I've done that for 20 some years. But when I combine it with the displacement at the same time, I notice that it becomes more effective and we can solve many problems actually but just by using that combination.

Ben:  Which combination?

Issam:  The displacement that it causes the vibration.

Ben:  Okay, the displacement. You say displacement, you're referring to the vibration.

Issam:  Displacement, vibration.

Ben:  It seems like a giant car buffer.

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  Okay. And, you can even stimulate the spinal cord to that even the brain.

Ben:  But that device that's doing the massaging, the displacing, that also has a magnetic signal that travel through it.

Issam:  It has magnetic field, yes.

Ben:  Is it a pulsed electromagnetic field, like a PEMF?

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  Okay. Did you design this or is this like a known device?

Issam:  I did this, my patent.

Ben:  Okay. So, you patented this device that combines vibration and PEMF. And, after you do the electroacupuncture, you're placing this device on different areas of the body?

Issam:  Yes. It depends on the case, too. I see any areas of deformity or arthritic changes in different joints, stuff like that, then I apply it. And, major application in addition to the joints is the spine itself, like deformities and all that. I can fix deformities just using that.

Ben:  Yeah. Do you feel that God is working through those instruments? Do you feel that these are ways to combine modern technology with this ancient form of faith healing that you feel was probably something that you were born with?

Issam:  That's a beautiful question because it defines everything that I stand for. I cannot separate the spirit from the body. I cannot separate that. I cannot separate a science from spirituality. So, using the instruments I used on you, definitely they have their own effect. There's no question whatsoever. But the intention, my intention towards your healing plays a major role in doing that. Over the years, having that type of experience, it was very clear-cut. Your intention could translate itself using different sources of energy.

Ben:  Okay.  So, if you have the right intention and you are connected, it will definitely improve the outcome of your patients. So, when you're using these type of technologies, do you feel as though it enhances the effects that one might be able to achieve through, let's say, something more basic such as a hands-on healing?

Issam:  Exactly. Yeah. Because here, it depends too on the person.

Ben:  Are you praying as you're using these devices?

Issam:  Continuously, I do. And, people don't have to know.

Ben:  Do people know that you're praying?

Issam:  They don't have to know.

Ben:  They don't know.

Issam:  No. They don't have to know.

Ben:  When you're talking with someone as you're doing the therapy, are you simply just praying in the back of your head or–

Issam:  I'm always connected. I reached a level where I don't even have to mention to even say a word because it's a continuous type of feeling that you have, love.

Ben:  You don't need to mention a word to God, you mean?

Issam:  I don't have. I don't have to mention a word. I'm continuously connected. I call it belonging. You see, so I carry it with me all day long. And, it's there always, like you love somebody, you love your wife. Throughout the day, you forget about your wife.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  Definitely she's–

Ben:  Don't tell her I said yes, but yeah, she's not on the forefront of my mind all day long 24/7.

Issam:  I mean, I'm giving you an example to simplify the idea. So, when you have true love, you don't have to say a word, it's a feeling.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. So, you've got this vibration, the PEMF, the electroacupuncture. I know you also had a large variety of what looks to be lasers.  There are lasers, a lot also.

Issam:  I use even light therapy, regular light therapy.

Ben:  You mean infrared light therapy.

Issam:  Infrared. When it comes to your intention, even regular floodlight, I can use.

Ben:  You mean just like shining that in someone's eyes?

Issam:  Not necessarily. It's a source of energy.

Ben:  Yeah. Well, the entire body is lined with photoreceptors. So, you would use that–

Issam:  All matter is energy.

Ben:  You could use light very similar to a laser as a spot treatment [00:48:12]_____.

Issam:  Yeah. But you see, if you are using without that intention that we talked about, different lasers will have different effects. There's no question about that. And, when you are praying for somebody, I don't even have to choose any source of energy to begin with. So, I can use even regular floodlight and achieve the same result.

Ben:  Interesting. Are there other tools that you find indispensable in your own practice in terms of technologies? And, I didn't know your background was in electrical engineering, but you seem very interested in developing technologies, patenting technologies, and using the wide variety of medical tools.

Issam:  Yes, yes, I have.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  And, I'll tell you one thing very interesting that could explain some of the stuff that it could inspire you about technologies that we could develop. I leave the music all the time in my room, in my treatment room, and some–

Ben:  I know, I heard it. It's peaceful.

Issam:  Very peaceful. Some of them are very inspired pieces. And, I've been witnessing that for many years. When the healing starts happening with some of my patients, their body starts responding to the inspired music.

Ben:  How so?

Issam: A part of their body will start moving to a different instrument.

Ben:  You mean, they're physically moving or you can feel the frequencies moving?

Issam:  Physically moving.

Ben:  Interesting.

Issam:  Yeah. So, it tells you how effective that music is, those frequencies are.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, there's an entire field of sound medicine and sound–

Issam:  I know. What I'm talking about is so complex, even deformities in front of the eyes will start correcting.

Ben:  In response to sound therapy?

Issam:  Dancing.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  And, so harmonious throughout the whole body.

Ben:  Do you ever use tuning forks or anything like that?

Issam:  I've never tried that.

Ben:  Yeah, or sound healing, like tables, acoustic therapy, or these are primarily just playing music?

Issam:  I believe in those. Actually, I use it, acoustic too. But not one simple frequency. So, a lot of people talk about simple frequencies, but it's way more complex than one frequency, you see and the paper I told you about that we did layers and layers of modulated actually signals, frequencies. So, it's not one. I mean, if you think about it, one element, every element has its own frequency. When you have an area that is getting a healing, you know how complex the info that comes in that could affect a change in that particular place is a set.

Ben:  Well, it's pretty complex because you have different cells produce different frequencies, different organs, different tissues and it's not as though you're treating just one cell, or just one element, or just one mineral.

Issam:  Yeah, exactly.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  So, it's way more complex than one frequency to be used.

Ben:  So, when you're using music when you're using sound healing, you would say that you would combine a varying degree of frequencies.

Issam:  Yes. Not only this, your mind does generate. Your intention generates frequencies, healing frequencies.

Ben:  When you say your intention generates healing frequencies, do you mean that when you say the word intention, are you referring to intention the way that many people would think of it such as having an intention when you wake up in the morning to be more present or having an intention–

Issam:  It's more focused in that.

Ben:  Would it be an intention based on really desiring for an area of the body to be healed?

Issam:  To be healed. Yes.

Ben:  Would you say that the intention needs to be paired with a deep faith that that area can be healed?

Issam:  Faith is not enough.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  It has to be a practical faith.

Ben:  And, what do you mean by that?

Issam:  Love. Love is the essence.

Ben:  How so?

Issam:  Love is the power that connects everything together. Love is the power that connects father to son. You see?

Ben:  Mm-hmm.

Issam:  Spirit.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  Yeah. And, love is what connects you to your own body actually.

Ben:  So, if someone is having–

Issam:  How they think about it as a feeling. It's more than a feeling. It's the power that connects everything together.

Ben:  So, would you say then that someone who has an injury or an illness, let's say someone has, I don't know, a tennis elbow and they're coming to see you for that that they need to have a faith that that can be healed, they need to have an intention to heal it. No faith.

Issam:  They don't have to have–

Ben:  But intention.

Issam:  They don't have to have anything. All they have to do is have good heart inside.

Ben:  Okay. Is it enough for you, the healer, to have the intention and the faith then?

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  And, for that person to simply be present with love?

Issam:  Yes. Yes.

Ben:  Can you tell when someone has come into your office if they are not in a state to be healed if they do not have a good heart or if they cannot love?

Issam:  That's my job, actually. My job is to change their heart.

Ben:  How do you do that?

Issam:  Change their mind.

Ben:  Do you do that when you're talking?

Issam:  You do that by addressing their body to reach their mind. And, I've been very successful over the years in doing that. That's my mission, actually.

Ben:  What do you mean addressing their body to reach their mind?

Issam:  I cannot separate the mind from body. So, the connection is not only from mind to body, the connection is from body to mind too. You see? So, in my therapy, I address the body and those people in order for their mind to open up.

Ben:  So, in in terms of this mind-body connection, is this similar to the teachings of say Bruce Lipton in the book “Biology of Belief,” this idea that negative emotions will deleteriously affect a certain aspect of the body, and that positive emotions and positive belief patterns, and prayers can induce a beneficial frequency that shifts the body into a state where it can be healed?

Issam:  I don't know about it.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  And, in medicine, that's a known fact. Actually, you've known that for many years. People that come in, they have the right state of mind, they want to survive, they want to get healed, they get a healing. How many people we used to send back send them home? End-stage cancers. A couple of years later, they come back and they are perfectly healthy. Or they come in for open-heart surgery. Young people that come in with the negative type of state of mind and they tell you, “We are going to die,” those are the ones who usually have complications, and many of them die as a result.

Ben:  Right. Because they believe that they are ill–

Issam:  Because their mindset is not right.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  So, it does reflect or the elderly, they come in, they are positive, they want to survive, and a couple of days after they have open heart, they get up and go home. Okay. How many cancer patients I've seen myself in the office? They come in with that positive type of state of mind, from stage four down to nothing. They're healing. So, the mind, the effect of the mind upon your health is very, very clear-cut.

And, from a biblical perspective, Adam and Eve before the fall, they were not supposed to experience any illness or die. But after the fall, when their mind changed, then they experienced the illness and they died. 

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  So, biblically speaking, too.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  So, your mind definitely plays major role.

I ask my patients when they come in, especially cancer patients, about stressful situations. And, I would say at least 98% of those tell me they were going through a hard time.

Ben:  When they were diagnosed.

Issam:  When they were diagnosed. Yeah.

Ben:  Interesting. Do you think that's because when they were going through a hard time that they had some kind of an illness or an immune system issue come up that caused them to go and get tested that then allowed a cancer to be identified because normally they hadn't been testing and then they decided to because something had popped up? Or, do you think that when someone is in a stressful scenario, it allows a body that's susceptible to cancer to actually allow for that cancer to take hold and develop?

Issam:  It does. It's one of the things, major things that are behind the cancer.

Ben:  So, there is kind of a strong almost like an epigenetic component to what you do in terms of diseases that someone might be susceptible to manifesting based on a state of mind that they're in?

Issam: Influence, yeah. Of course, there is more than one thing that affects that.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  Low immunity, a diet, low vitamin D.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  In general.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  Stuff like that. The combination of things. And, it's not only one component, but the stress component is always present.

Ben:  Have you taught many other physicians or practitioners what you do? Is this something that other people are practicing now?

Issam:  Not one so far.

Ben:  No, you haven't taught anyone so far.

Issam:  So far, not one showed the interest.

Ben:  Are you concerned about if you and then–and sorry for what might be kind of a negative question. But if you die, that all this information just dies along with you–

Issam:  That's the sad part that I've been suffering with. That's the sad thought that I've been going through for many years right now. If I die, it dies with me. And, it's so effective in healing many things. It saddens me. I'm very sad about that fact. That's why I resorted to at least leave some kind technology that could store a lot of the information that I know.

And, that's why I developed that Ninurta artificial intelligence diagnostic. And, it's not only diagnostic tool I have in the future, it will be a delivery talk too, therapy tool in addition. So, they store a lot of that info into it.

Ben:  Your son told me while we were driving over to your house from your clinic that there's also some type of a mouthpiece that you're developing.

Issam:  No, I've developed it already.

Ben:  And, what is that exactly?

Issam:  It does eradicate gum disease.

Ben:  It eradicates gum disease.

Issam:  Microcurrent.

Ben:  Oh, really?

Issam:  Microcurrent in the mouth. And, I use to treat a lot of patients.

Ben:  So, you wear this mouthpiece while you sleep or something?

Issam:  No. All you have to do just wait for about 10, 20 minutes a couple of times a week. We did already clinical studies.

Ben:  What kind of things did people notice if they began to use something like that?

Issam:  Eradication of the gum disease.

Ben:  Could it be used as preventive therapy for people who just want to have a clean mouth or clean gums?

Issam:  Yes, yes.

Ben:  Is this operating on the same principles as the rife coils or the rife frequencies that, I believe, tesla works for those?

Issam:  I don't use frequencies.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  Yeah, I don't use frequencies.

Ben:  So, microcurrent is different than frequency.

Issam:  Micro DC current is different from AC current.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  Yeah.

Ben:  Okay, got it. And so, this mouthpiece doesn't need to be plugged in, or is that everything inside of it that needs–

Issam:  We'd say one piece.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  Everything is included.

Ben:  What's the mouthpiece called?

Issam:  OraFlow.

Ben:  OraFlow.

Issam:  Yeah.

Ben:  Interesting. Are there other technologies that you're developing also right now?

Issam:  I am working. I'm working on a number of them, actually.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah.

Issam:  Yeah. And, other discoveries that are in store because I discovered a lot of things.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  And, at one time, I did the microfilming because I can reconnect nerves. Actually, through the–

Ben:  Reconnect nerves.

Issam:  I can reconnect nerves. And, I found the molecule actually in our body that could reconnect nerves right away.

Ben:  No kidding.

Issam:  And, that's my next project–

Ben:  I should have told you I've got–yeah, see that thumb right there?

Issam:  Yeah.

Ben:  I can't feel anything right there because of a disconnected nerve in that thumb. So, that's interesting information. It was a stupid, stupid mistake cutting ice cream. For those of you not watching the video, Dr. Nemeh is holding his finger above my thumb.

Issam:  Yeah, here it goes. Getting any sensation?

Ben:  I can feel something on the edge of my thumb.

Issam:  Okay. It's doing it. It's getting stronger now. Here you go. And, I'm not hypnotizing you, by the way.

Ben:  Is this different than the nerve healing molecule that you were talking about because you're just holding my hand?

Issam:  No, it's not different.

Ben:  Really?

Issam:  Yeah. It's affecting that molecule.

Ben:  Interesting, interesting.

Issam:  Okay, getting stronger.

Ben:  I definitely feel something in my thumb and your finger is not super close to it. Your finger is an inch from my thumb.

Issam:  Oh, it can go even far away.

Ben:  Really?

Issam:  Yeah. Still I'm connected.

Ben:  Yeah, I can feel it. That's crazy.

Issam:  And, I go farther away, it gets stronger.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  Yeah.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  Okay.

Ben:  Wow.

Issam:  Yeah.

Ben:  Why does it get stronger the farther that you go away?

Issam:  Yeah, because the energy–

Ben:  It seems counterintuitive.

Issam:  The energy field that applies feel it as if they're feeling back.

Ben:  It feels different, yeah.

Issam:  Okay. It's coming back. That's the healing I'm talking about. And, that's the energy field actually that we talked about.

Ben:  Okay. So, you explain why it gets stronger the farther where your hand gets away.

Issam:  The further because it's not part of this world. It sits on the edge of the quantum field and the physical world. Yeah. The laws that apply are the reverse laws that are applied to any field is in nature. You see?

Ben:  So, the farther two objects are away in the quantum field, the stronger the force of those two objects–

Issam:  No, not the quantum field. When the translation is happening.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  At the edge of it.

Ben:  Interesting.

Issam:  Yeah.

Ben:  Wow.

Issam:  Not inside the quantum field. There is no energy field.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah.

Issam:  It's just a field of info.

Ben:  So, is this a similar type of frequency that people are using when they'll do something like Reiki, for example? Are you familiar with that?

Issam:  No.

Ben:  That's different.

Issam:  That's different.

Ben:  How is it different? Someone's just like when doing a Reiki session with their hands hovering over your body–

Issam:  It's coming from intention. That's one thing. The laws that apply here are different from the laws that apply there. What they are feeling is the bioelectrical field. And, when you focus on it, you could feel your bioelectrical field. But then, the farther away you are, the weaker.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  Okay.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  Huge difference. I mean, I know a lot of other details about it. But definitely different, it's from spiritual different level.

Ben:  How many of these ideas come to you through what you would consider to be a divine revealing from God versus how much of this do you get from just books, research, reading, et cetera?

Issam:  I don't read anything.

Ben:  You don't read anything?

Issam:  No.

Ben:  No. You know how to read?

Issam:  On purpose. I prevented myself from reading anything.

Ben:  Why?

Issam:  Because I don't want to be influenced by anybody's ideas. You see, the way I'm applying things, they materialize. I don't want to hear somebody's opinion that you cannot put it to life.

Ben:  You know that's an odd approach. No, I mean, especially not a lot of people who are in professional medicine would say that they wouldn't want to read books or–

Issam:  I abstain from the readings especially those types of books not because I'm rejecting them. I have my own inspiration.

Ben:  You don't want it to corrupt the purity of your [01:05:28]_____.

Issam:  Yes, yes.

Ben:  That's interesting.

Issam:  You mentioned Bruce Lipton. I have a lot of respect.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  Okay. I respect everyone like that. They are inspired trying to do the right stuff. But here, I don't want to have–you see, those things are very interesting especially when it comes to the type of work I am doing. Again, not to corrupt the connection that I have. Because here, when you–

Ben:  Do you ever feel you're missing out that there's information that you could be reading that you're not?

Issam:  It could be. It could be, definitely. I could be missing out. There's no question in my mind about that. But I worry about their conclusions.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  Sometimes, they talk about the truth in there but the conclusions they draw sometimes, it does not fit me or fit my view.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  And, that's the idea. That's what I mean by not corrupting it.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So, when you're getting these ideas for some of the devices that you're developing and the treatments that you're developing, you would say that much of it comes from God speaking to you?

Issam:  A lot of things that I'm doing, I never learned from anybody. The whole thing I'm doing is just inspiration.

Ben:  Just inspired by God?

Issam:  Yes. Yeah.

Ben:  And, do you like what you do? Do you feel as though–?

Issam:  I left everything.

Ben:  –you're on a mission of service? Is this something that you wake up in the morning and just love to do?

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  Because you work a lot. The impression I got was you're with patients a lot in your clinics.

Issam:  Yes, I do.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  More than full-time.

Ben:  When's the last time you took a vacation?

Issam:  22 years ago.

Ben:  22 years. And, I said you stay here in Cleveland, you go to the clinic every day?

Issam:  I go every day.

Ben:  Wow. How many patients do you typically see in a day? Because obviously if you're spending–you were 45 minutes an hour with me, so.

Issam:  Sometimes even a couple of hours.

Ben:  Wow.

Issam:  Depending on the case. Of course, I don't see too many a day because it takes me a long time. But I work from late night usually.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. I'm curious because I'll have some people who listen to this interview that we're doing and they're going to want to meet with you or to learn from you, or to be treated. Do people fly here every time to Cleveland to be treated? Or, do you do much of this stuff online?

Issam:  No, I have people flying from all over the world. They do.

Ben:  What I mean though is you do telemedicine. Do you do Skype, things like this?

Issam:  I do telemedicine too. And, actually the tool I'm developing will help that a lot.

Ben:  You mean, the artificial intelligence tool?

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  It will open the door for telemedicine, actually to be more accurate.

Ben:  How so?

Issam:  Because it does reflect all the systems throughout the whole body.

Ben:  Oh, so a practitioner will be able to test virtually and identify which systems are actually at a low frequency.

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  And then, treat accordingly.

Issam:  Treat all of them. Refer. I mean, I saved many people from their heart attacks because the way I measure, it picks it up. It mounts even before it happens.

Ben:  No kidding?

Issam:  Yes. And, we have cases, we documented the cases.

Ben:  Wow.

Issam:  Yes. Saved their life actually because they were not having any symptoms. And yet, they uncovered it with a measurement.

Ben:  Wow.

Issam:  And, I sent them to cardiologists actually, saved their life.

Ben:  Yeah. Wow. Well, if people wanted to do this and to book a session with you or something like that, do they just go to the drnemeh.com.

Issam:  No, Path To Faith and–

Ben:  Path To Faith.

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  That is the name of your practice, Path To Faith.

Issam:  No. No, no. That's for the prayer.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  Yeah. But I don't know, Cathy knows that info. I'll ask her.

Ben:  Okay. Well, I can find it and put it in the shownotes, which are going to be at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/MiraclesEveryDay. And, like I mentioned in the introduction, you have a book that was where I became somewhat familiar with your work. Well, you didn't write the book, it's a book about you.

Issam:  Yes.

Ben:  “Miracles Every Day: The Story of One Physician's Inspiring Faith and the Healing Power of Prayer” is the name of that book. And, I would recommend any of you who are intrigued by what we're talking about. You should read the book. What were you saying?

Issam:  And then, book “Cured,” Dr. Jeffrey Rediger from Harvard.

Ben:  I've read Cured. Is that also–

Issam:  The whole chapter is about what I do.

Ben:  Okay, yeah. I'd read that a long time ago. Okay, so I'm thinking I read that and you were the same position in that book but I hadn't put two and two together. Okay, yeah. Cured is another. And, I'll link to that one in the shownotes as well.

Issam:  Yeah.

Ben:  So, I want to write a note to myself here. Okay. So, I know that a lot of you probably have questions, and some of this may seem kind of woo-woo, kind of esoteric, this whole idea of faith-based healing. But I have to tell you that it's super interesting what Dr. Nemeh is doing. And so, I would recommend that those of you who are interested, go to the shownotes, go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com/MiraclesEveryDay because I'll have more information about Dr. Nemeh and his book.

And, in terms of you, Dr. Nemeh, for the future, besides this artificial intelligence software, is there anything else coming down the pipeline on your end that you're very excited about or that you think is going to be transformative for medicine for that work that you do?

Issam:  Yes. We have a couple of things, actually, I'm planning on doing. And, one of them is we talked about the frequencies. Is about recording them and create sort of a base info that could allow actually us through our subconscious mind to connect to people. Let's say focusing on somebody. It does translate itself in your body as frequencies. And, those instruments could be developed and I'm going to be working on it. That could allow you, let's say, focusing on somebody to have the full information about their physical being, and it connects to that instrument. And, the instrument has all the info about illnesses and stuff like that. It needs a lot of programming.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  But it's based upon our finding too from the frequencies of healing. So, let's say I focus on you, I pick up all the set of all frequencies that define you.

Ben:  Okay.

Issam:  And, I've done something like this before. So, we had a group of people, we registered the frequencies of them. And, blindly when I'm focusing on one, pick up the frequencies of that one and the second party was guessing. Accurately, the ones that I was focusing on.

Ben:  Wow.

Issam:  Yeah. So, this gave me the inspiration actually to delve into that project to develop it, actually for others. It's not for me.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. And, is that a piece of software or is that–

Issam:  It will be software.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  It would be a software, an instrument that could actually translate from your–

Ben:  Right, you need an instrument on the body to actually detect the frequency feed into that software.

Issam:  From your, let's say, your hand into the instrument.

Ben:  Yeah. Wow.

Issam:  So, it makes it available for everyone.

Ben:  Yeah. Yeah.

Issam:  And, that's my dream actually to make–

Ben:  It would basically allow people who may not even have the same intuitive type of sensing that you have to be able to achieve that by harnessing themselves to a form of technology.

Issam:  Yes. Because that thing is not only for me.

Ben:  Yeah. Yeah, amazing. So, there is a way that much of what you do can kind of live on and be taught. It's kind of cool that you're achieving that not through writing books, through telling stories, through having some kind of a practitioner teacher programming, but you're instead doing it through technology, through design of technology. It's a very interesting approach.

Issam:  So everybody could use.

Ben:  Yeah. Yeah.

Issam:  That's one of the projects. The other is now, when you are praying and there are changes happening within the body, there are certain things that pick up the frequencies that are coming into you. And, I did microfilming on that. And, you could see the intelligent design actually, like two cells communicating with each other, filling a gap, let's say, empty gap. I filmed it myself years back.

Ben:  Wow.

Issam:  Okay. Now, look at the beauty of it, it could open the door for us to recognize the effect of different molecules within the body. Let's say I'll be praying for the eye, and the eye is getting the healing, I have access to the eye to look under magnification, to see which molecules are moving first that are causing the physical effect.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  You see?

Ben:  Wow. So, I mean, in a way, you're actually able to, to a certain extent, quantify the effects that an emotion, or a belief, or a prayer is having on the body, and actually identify that on a molecular level in terms of what's happening similar to almost I realize the research gets a little bit of flack but the way that Masaru Emoto did with water measuring the crystalline structure of water and its changes in the water when exposed to certain positive frequencies or prayers.

Issam:  Similar things.

Ben:  But you're doing that with human cell.

Issam:  The human body.

Ben:  Wow, it's fascinating.

Issam:  It opens the door for us to have a deeper knowledge about many mechanisms involved within our body.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  That we are unaware of basically.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  And, it could be healing for many disease entities.

Ben:  Man, we live in such a cool era that we're able to do things like this and that's someone who probably if you were a few around 2,000 years ago, you've been laying hands on people to heal them. And now, you're able to use technology to actually replicate what you do, assist what you do, enhance what you do. And, I, being a guy who often talks, during my talk last night that I gave a town hall, I said I like to combine ancestral wisdom with modern science, a little bit of traditional Chinese medicine and ayurvedic wisdom, and then the modern field of biohacking and modern medicine. And, I just love that concept and it seems as though you've adopted it pretty well in your practice also.

And, I know we're getting close to wrapping up here, but I want to tell everybody listening in. Go to the shownotes. You can ask your questions, you can leave your comments, you can leave your feedback, you can go to Dr. Nemeh's website and come out to Cleveland and see him or meet with him virtually. I think that he's a very interesting individual. And, I feel honored and blessed to have connected with you, Dr. Nemeh. And, for those of you listening and it's all going to be at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/MiraclesEveryDay. It's BenGreenfieldFitness.com/MiraclesEveryDay.

And, Dr. Nemeh, A, I want to thank you for coming on the show. B, I want to thank you also for allowing your daughter to sing that wonderful musical introduction. And, I'll link to her on Spotify. For those of you who want to go listen more to Ashley and some of her music, I'll put that in the show as well. And, thank you so much. You have a wonderful family, beautiful family, and just a wonderful service you're doing for the world.

Issam:  Thank you. Thank you. It's my honor and my blessing.

Ben:  Yeah, awesome. And, what you are doing is akin to what I am doing.

Ben:  Yeah.

Issam:  Inspiring people is a healing for all of them.

Ben:  Yeah. I'm just delivering the message, baby. Finding amazing people like you and making sure more people know about you.

So, again, folks, BenGreenfieldFitness.com/MiraclesEveryDay. Dr. Nemeh, thank you so much for coming on the show. And, we will put a video version of this interview as well during the shownotes because you want to watch the video version of both of us sitting in his beautiful home here with a wonderful work of art behind us. A little video too of BenGreenfieldFitness.com/MiraclesEveryDay. Thanks for listening in and have an amazing, amazing week.

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After a friend recommended that I look into the concept of “miracle healing,” which I was admittedly extremely skeptical of, I read the book Miracles Every Day: The Story of One Physician's Inspiring Faith and the Healing Power of Prayer, which is the story of Dr. Issam Nemeh, a Cleveland-based physician and devout Catholic who has prayed over tens of thousands of people from all faiths and all walks of life in the past two decades.

The apparent result of Dr. Nemeh's work? Miracles.

No, I'm serious. I didn't believe it at first, but the stories in the book and the testimonials of legitimate, trustworthy people are mind-blowing. Injuries healed, cancers cured, sight and hearing restored. Yet, as Dr. Issam Nemeh will be the first to point out, “the miracles are just to get our attention.” The healings do not originate from him, but from God. It is this humility and dedication to those in need that have won him the respect and trust of laypeople and religious leaders alike.

The book traces the lives of the doctor and his dedicated wife, Kathy, and brings us the uplifting stories of the many people who have been healed through one man's powerful faith. Miracles Every Day is a compelling reminder of God's individual and unconditional love for each one of us. Along the way, you meet the dedicated family members, volunteers, and clergy who support the Nemehs in their work. They speak of a ministry of hope, of lives changed and saved through not just the power of prayer, but through the awesome Spirit-driven power of love.

After reading it, I was so inspired and intrigued that I just had to see and experience Dr. Issam Nemeh and his work for myself. So I hopped on a plane to Cleveland, Ohio, hunted him down, and recorded an intriguing and inspiring audio interview for you with content unlike anything I've ever talked about before.

One CBN article about Dr. Issam Nemeh includes the following:

“When Dr. Nemeh was 15 years old, he had a vision that he would share his gift of faith with thousands, but first he would have to form a solid base for his ministry with a medical practice. Midway through his career, he switched to the practice of Meridian Regulatory Acupuncture (MRA). MRA is different than traditional Chinese acupuncture. It consists of 2 parts: a diagnostic procedure and a treatment procedure. The diagnosis involves measuring the electrical resistance of the body at different points on the skin, known as meridian points. These measurements are graphed and treatment is performed with a small needle temporarily inserted for a few seconds.

Dr. Nemeh says he made the career change because he felt the Lord tell him this new practice would give him one-on-one time to work on people. His practice grew by word of mouth from his patients who told stories of their healings to friends and family. Dr. Nemeh says he only prays with the patients who ask him to and is quick to give the credit to God. “I don’t do the healing,” says Dr. Nemeh. “It’s Jesus. It’s the Holy Spirit.” Many of his patients are oblivious to the fact that Dr. Nemeh is already praying for them. “Prayer is non-stop,” he says…

Six days a week, Dr. Nemeh combines acupuncture and prayer for his patients and his Sundays are spent standing for nine hours in churches and meeting halls without a break at healing services. Tens of thousands of people have experienced physical, emotions and spiritual changes since Dr. Nemeh opened his practice in 1992.

Cancer tumors vanish, vision is restored, and other dramatic healings take place after Dr. Nemeh prays for people. He says these healings and miracles are manifestations or demonstrations of God’s presence. Basically they are proof that God is closer to us than we think and that He walks beside us in everything we do. It is Dr. Nemeh’s desire to see people grow closer to the Lord as a result of their healing.”

Fascinated yet? Then tune into this episode for sure.

During our discussion, you'll discover:

-How Issam can recall the moment of his birth in vivid detail…08:45

  • “Belonging” – a state of mind that binds you to the Lord
  • Began very early in life; can recall his own birth and who was there in vivid detail
  • You become a separate entity with the first breath; this is when the ego begins
  • Felt or “suffered” separation from God
  • Miracles Every Day by Maura Zagrans

-How Issam heard and responded to the call to service to God…13:40

  • At age 14 he had a vision of doing what he is doing today
  • General concept, but not the minute details
  • Began studying electrical engineering, switched to medicine
  • Lived in W. Germany, had a vision about moving to America
  • Born in Syria, miraculous to get a visa to move to the U.S.
  • Became interested in self-quantifying medical devices

-When prayer and faith-based healing entered the picture…18:35

  • Used to heal people as a child
  • Our consciousness is not restricted to our physical body
  • Original awareness plays a major role in our perception of pain
  • We all have the ability to tap into the quantum field (consciousness)
  • Types of healings: spinal injuries, paralyzation
  • Prayer and intention thereof is how people are healed
  • Measurement & Analysis of Continuous & Discrete Modulated Emissions Recorded During Healing Intercessory Prayer
  • Frequencies of patients are recorded while they're being healed
  • Able to feel and even hear the frequencies of the healing – like downloading info
  • Different from the “phase angle” of the body
  • The oscilloscope is what's used to measure the frequencies
  • Measuring info coming from the quantum field to the physical body
  • Can hear it every time it happens, even more so via the internet
  • We're all oscilloscopes (potentially)
  • We've lost the collective ability to perceive this connectedness with the advent of modern technology
  • A feeling of connectedness
  • Same thing felt between mother and child
  • The practice of mindfulness and presence

-Software Issam is currently developing to track healing frequencies..34:45

  • Initial measurements, 200 microamps of electricity
  • Sometimes done in acupuncture; began in Germany in early 1950s
  • Meridians in the body measured
  • Developing software that uses AI (artificial intelligence)
  • Big picture vision is a wellness tool that can be used on a cell phone

-Observations made during Ben's treatment in Dr. Nemeh's clinic…39:30

  • Abnormality in the neck and upper back area
  • Predict fatigue, anxiety related to the issue
  • Informs the proper treatment for the physical issue
  • Microcurrents open the channels in the body
  • Far more powerful than acupuncture; permanent results
  • The magnetic field of the body was measured
  • Displacement of vibration to stimulate the spinal cord and brain with PEMF (pulsed electromagnetic field) device

-Does Issam feel God is working through his medical instruments to combine faith healing with modern technology?…45:00

  • Can't separate the spirit from the body; science from spirituality
  • Intention translates itself using different sources of energy
  • Continuously praying as the devices are used; patients don't always know this
  • You don't need to say a word when you have true love
  • When healing begins, the body of patients responds to the inspired music in the treatment room
  • The physical reaction to different instruments in the music

-Why simple faith is not enough to bring about healing…52:15

  • Love is the power that connects everything together
  • Can tell if someone is not open to being healed because of attitude, a sour spirit, etc.
  • Address their body to reach their mind

-How negative and positive emotions affect the body's ability to heal…54:45

  • Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton
  • People with negative beliefs are often the ones who don't make it
  • Elderly folks with a positive attitude often overcome their issues
  • Adam and Eve experienced disease, pain, illness, etc. after the fall – negative emotions
  • Epigenetic component to the healing practice

-Issam performing a healing on Ben in real-time…59:45

  • Ninurta is an AI diagnostic tool and in the future is going to be a delivery/therapy tool
  • OraFlow microcurrent device is a mouthpiece to treat and prevent gum disease
  • Frequency gets stronger the further away

-How much of Dr. Nemeh's body of knowledge is born of experience, and of book learning…1:03:50

  • Prevented self from reading so as to not be influenced by anyone's ideas
  • Affect purity of authentic understanding of healing
  • Devices and knowledge is pure inspiration

-How Issam keeps hours that resemble a bona fide workaholic with a spirit of grace, joy, and gratitude…1:07:00

  • Hasn't taken a vacation in 22 years
  • People fly in from all over the world for treatment
  • Lots of telemedicine; Ninurta will make telemedicine more accurate
  • A new device in development will allow telemedicine to be more accurate
  • Go to Path to Faith website for contact info
  • Cured by Jeffery Rediger

-New tech Dr. Issam Nemeh has coming down the pike…1:01:40

  • Body frequency recorder based on the frequencies of healing
  • Device to pick up the frequencies coming into the body and changes inside the body while praying
  • Masaru Emoto

-And much more!

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  1. Mary says:

    Thanks so much for sharing this interview, Ben – the timing was perfect for some recent health challenges myself, my husband, and our beloved miniature pinscher have been dealing with recently. We’ve been firm believers in the power of prayer and always looking for ways to resonate even further with our faith. We’re already inquiring into booking an appointment with him over our winter break. Do you happen to know if Dr. Nemeh performs his work on animals as well?

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