[00:01:28] Podcast Sponsors
[00:04:21] Guest Introduction
[00:09:01] Infopathy Defined
[00:13:17] Quantum Electro Dynamic (QED) Theory Applied to Everyday Life
[00:18:26] Mixing Many Ingredients into Treated Water
[00:22:30] The Wearable That Allows You to Transmit Infoceuticals
[00:24:58] Podcast Sponsors
[00:27:39] PEMF Used to Transfer Infoceuticals into the Body
[00:34:03] Liquids Other Than Water That Can Be Used to Transfer Infoceuticals to the Body
[00:36:46] Legitimate Research That Has Been Conducted On Infoceuticals
[00:41:35] Ben and Anton's Favorite Infoceuticals and Best Practices
[00:48:05] Infoceuticals That Are Appropriate for Plants and Animals
[00:52:22] Tips on Creating Infoceutical Complexes
[00:54:36] Final Comments
[00:56:40] End of Podcast
Ben: On this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness Podcast.
Now, we've established that I could take that Hummer and just wrap it around a glass of water. But could I also just slap that on my body and use it on my body?
Anton: And this approach is not really new. Their actual practitioners, who use this approach for already like 30 years.
Ben: Do I need to drink it right away? What if I flip my cell phone on? What if my computer is connected to Wi-Fi? What if the water gets exposed to a different frequency between the time I make it and the time I drink it? Wouldn't that mess it up?
Health, performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show.
Today's podcast is Anton Fedorenko. I just love to say his name, Anton Fedorenko. You've heard me talk about different ways to use biohacking to shift your brainwaves in the certain states to simulate what pharmaceuticals or supplements would do for using technology instead. And boy, oh boy, is this guy cracked the code on that. You're going to really dig this episode if you love cool, new biohacking technologies. This is one I have not talked much about before, one I've been experimenting with behind the scenes, and one that I think you're going to love to experiment with, too. So, I can't wait to talk to Anton.
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Alright, let's go talk to Anton Fedorenko.
Alright, folks. I know I've been Mr. Mystery Man on Instagram lately, for those of you who have been following me and seeing me put my glass of water in the morning on this crazy light-generating device. And my podcast guest will probably tell me during this interview that this doesn't work, but I've been experimenting with it anyways. I've also been doing things like taking the evening cocktail that I make at night and literally infusing it with the frequency of, well, in the case of last night, bitters and digestifs. I have tried taking a plain cup of coffee or a cup of water in the morning instead of having my cup of coffee literally infusing my water instead with the energetic imprint of caffeine to turn my water into coffee. It doesn't taste as good, but it actually has the same wakefulness-producing effect, which blows my freaking mind.
And then, I've also been even like wearing the equivalent of this on my wrist this morning because I woke up at like 4:00 a.m. I had a big workday to crush. And I actually ran an adrenal booster program in which my computer actually played audio and sent it to the device that I was wearing on my wrist to basically infuse my body with–in this case, I think it was basically some natural rhythms designed to increase adrenaline, and aldosterone, and cortisol. And so, I've just been experimenting with this whole concept right and left all week long. All of this is based off the science of something called infoceuticals. Meaning like information combined with the word nutraceuticals or pharmaceuticals using information instead of supplements or medications to deliver something to the human body.
Now, I've experimented with this kind of concept before. Like, some of you may have heard me interview the guy who makes the Apollo wearable, David Rabin, and that is a wearable that uses inaudible soundwaves to shift your brainwave into certain states like alpha-brainwave production or theta-brainwave production using sound. Typically, you wear it on your wrist or on your ankle. I also, even though I haven't done an interview on this yet, have been experimenting with another device called the Hapbee. That's spelled H-A-P-B-E-E, and that one uses magnetic impulse to simulate chemicals like caffeine, or nicotine, or melatonin, or even like MDMA to cause the same neurotransmitter response, again, without you actually taking those supplements, or pharmaceuticals, or medicines.
But the concept behind what I'm podcasting about today is the idea of taking a plain old plain Jane glass of water and imprinting the water with those frequencies. Or if you're wearing the wearable made by the same company, imprinting your body with the same frequencies. So, this might all sound a little woo-woo to you, but my guest on the show today is going to clear things up big time. It's going to be a fun discussion. His name is Anton Fedorenko. The shownotes for everything that Anton and I talk about you can find at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/anton. That's BenGreenfieldFitness.com/A-N-T-O-N.
And Anton actually has a bachelor's in applied physics and mathematics, and then a master's in innovation and high technologies from the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology in Russia. He has studied water for about the past decade, and specifically the physics, the chemistry, and the biology of water, and now is immersed in this concept of infoceuticals. Meaning, using this theory that water can transmit information, actually embed frequencies in the water and deliver them to your body. St. John's wort coffee, making your own water glass full of Viagra before you have sex. Sky's the limit on this stuff, literally hundreds of different uses. And again, like I mentioned, I've been having my mind blown and I would be remiss not to share this one with you. So, BenGreenfieldFitness.com/anton is where you can find the shownotes. I will also link to the device that we talk about. Or if you want to check it out while you're listening, go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com/infopathy, P-A-T-H-Y, Infopathy. And Anton gave us all a code we can use on that site. BENG10 gets you 10% off of any of the stuff that we talked about on the show. So, it's BENG10 at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/infopathy, and then BenGreenfieldFitness.com/anton are where the shownotes are.
Whoa, I'm getting out of breath. Anton, welcome to the show, man.
Anton: Nice to be here. Thank you very much for this opportunity.
Ben: Yeah. I'm stoked. And I think we should start here, man. What is Infopathy? How would you describe that?
Anton: Yeah. I would describe it like this, that Infopathy is online platform where people can download signals, which we, or our partners, recorded from different substances such as pharmaceuticals, herbs, botanical oils, and any other products. So, the whole idea is to use properties of medications without actual substance by recording, and then supplying to body information of those substances. And this approach is not really new. You also notice you already used it before. And their actual practitioners, who use this approach for already like 30 years, they usually have these big devices.
Ben: Oh, really?
Anton: Like energy practitioners or naturopaths. They have usually those big devices with a database inside of 1,000 different substances. And this is one of the ways how I went into this direction. I went to one of those practitioners, maybe like, I don't know, 10 years ago, and further do diagnostics. They connect different wires to you and they run different frequencies to understand what's going on, what's the problem. And what made me believe in this is that I went to three different practitioners and all of them pointed the problem on my body at the same spot. That was like backbone in the middle, and I knew by myself I had their problem. So, I was convinced by this. So, and after they do all these tests, they put in their device as water, and select from database different substances, and transfer those signals through the water. And then, you go home, you use that. So, it's really been there for many years. And the actual science first publication like we found on this topic was 1922, and there was some, like army guy from Russia's big officer was doing research on how metals can remotely affect blood vessels in the years of rabbit (ph). Yeah. And the big jump of all the research, I think it was brought by Jacques Benveniste when he was doing research in like '80s. He actually is the guy responsible for the terminology memory of water.
Ben: Okay. So, a lot of people are familiar with like Masaru Emoto and this idea that water will kind of like change shape in response to positive energy. I've even interviewed my father, who actually developed structured water filters to structure water, and there's some evidence that it might have better hydration properties, and also be able to act differently in the human body when it's structured. But both of those are a little bit different than the idea that water can actually carry the information from, let's say, a pharmaceutical, or a medication, or a supplement, or anything else that it's been exposed to in combination or in solo. And then, upon being drunk by someone, actually elicit that same effect. I think that that to me sounds a little bit like homeopathy. Is it the same as homeopathy?
Anton: I think it might be having the same foundation. So, there is no perfect question how homeopathy work, but there is some theory how it works, and it's again in general about water, how it works. So, I think it may have some same foundation.
Ben: Okay. Got it. So, you have a pretty helpful video on your website that shows this idea of what's called the quantum electrodynamics theory, the so-called QED theory, where you show how you can actually take any substance, find out the electrical frequency, or literally almost like the way that the molecules of that substance are oscillating, deliver that same frequency into water, and then the water will begin to oscillate at that same frequency. And that's basically–I mean, did I sum that up pretty decently in terms of what's going on here?
Ben: Okay. Alright. So, that being said, there's some practical things that I wanted to ask you because I'm a believer, just because I've tried out in the weeks leading up to preparing for this podcast, a bunch of the different so-called–they're not recipes, I guess they're called like complexes on the website. Like, there's one for digestion. I mean, there's hundreds. There's some for respiratory function. There's, like I mentioned, I mean, you could infuse water with like sildenafil or Viagra for–instead of popping the blue pill before sex, you can do antioxidants. I mean, it's almost dizzying, the number of different things that you can do to water using the website.
But the first question that I have for you, and this is something that I've thought a lot before about even something like structured water, is once I imprint that water with the frequency of a certain pharmaceutical, or medication, or supplement, do I need to drink it right away? And the reason I say that is because like, what if I flip my cell phone on? What if my computer is connected to Wi-Fi? What if the water gets exposed to a different frequency between the time I make it and the time I drink it? Wouldn't that mess it up?
Anton: Yeah. Very good question. And from what we know now, the time which water can store the information may depend on its composition. For example, with distilled water, we had experiments using [00:14:40] _____ spectroscopy. So when we affect water, we see that after about few hours, if you don't of course expose it to the heat or do some weird electromagnetic signals, it relaxes. So, going back in its initial state in about few hours. If you have regular mineral water, then this process goes for about a week. It also depends on the content of the water, et cetera, but for about a week. Therefore, one of the instructions on the website said once you prepared the water, you can use it for three days.
Ben: Okay. For three days.
Ben: What if the water is placed next to a Wi-Fi router or something like that, do I need to store it in a special way?
Anton: Yeah. Better not to put it right near the Wi-Fi or right near the cell phone. The best way, if you would like to protect it and you live in an environment where there is so much different electromagnetic noise, you can prepare water in the glass bottle, and then pour this water into stainless steel bottle. So, this way, you will shield it.
Ben: Okay. That's cool because I actually have a lot of those stainless steel bottles. Would Miron glass also work?
Anton: The glass which–
Ben: It's like a Miron glass. A lot of times, they'll ship supplements, and fancier supplement companies a lot of times will use like Miron glass to protect herbs or other nutrients from getting exposed to frequencies, radiation during travel, et cetera. I would imagine that'd work just as well as stainless steel.
Anton: Yeah, yeah. I think it should be.
Ben: Okay. So, I can make the water in advance, and then put it into a storage container like that?
Ben: Okay. Now, I noticed on the website, and I haven't experimented much with this, but you also recommend for better effects actually putting like a teaspoon of salt into the water to make almost like a saline solution, and then transferring whatever Infoceutical or Infoceutical complex, and we can clarify in a moment what complex means, into the water, into the prepared saline solution, and using that instead. Why do you think that putting salt into the water will make it even better?
Anton: Yeah. Okay. So, also based on this research, we found that distilled water doesn't store well information or its state, actually. So, then regular mineral water works better. And also, there is research if you add like extra minerals to the water, it can be more stable. And therefore, we actually comment to add mineral salt, Himalayan salt or sea salt. They usually have at least 2% of different minerals inside, and those minerals are important. So, we added more minerals of water making it more stable. And in this way, we can create small tincture, transfer signals into it and store the tincture for 30 days.
Ben: So, I could take a standard, let's say, like one of those little glass bottles that one would use for tinctures, like, whatever, one of my old oil of oregano bottles or whatever that I'd cleaned out. I could put salt in that. I could fill it with water. I could put it on top of the little device that connects to my computer called the–I think it's called the Hummer, right? That's the one that I put the water on top of?
Anton: That's one called IC Pad.
Ben: Okay. Yeah, the IC Pad rather. So, I put the little bottle with the saline solution in it. That's full of just water and like a teaspoon of salt. On top of the pad, I would then infuse that instead of infusing my giant glass of water. And then, let's say if I'm going to travel, I could literally not have the IC Pad with me, not have my computer with me for the transfer, but I could use that little bottle and put like a dropperful of that into water, and then I'd be almost like infusing the water, having made it in advance?
Anton: Yeah, correct.
Ben: Okay. That's pretty cool because I travel a lot. So, that's good to know. Now, I mentioned earlier that there's also this concept of rather than just transferring one thing into the water, like if I go to your website and, let's just throw something out there, like pomegranate extract, and I instead wanted to mix pomegranate with cranberry, with blueberry, with maybe some acerola cherry, and some goji berry, and make myself like a vitamin C antioxidant-infused Infoceutical, is that what a complex is? Is it just a mix of a bunch of different ingredients rather than one?
Anton: Yes. You can combine different infoceuticals into one complex. And when you hit start, all the signals will be transferred at the same time to your water.
Ben: Got it. And I notice, because I messed around on the website, because when you get this device, you get access to the website and you can make your own complexes, but you can also use other people's complexes. Do you ever get nervous about people kind of like mixing up the wrong things like maybe somebody wants an anti-inflammatory complex but they didn't notice somebody put a bunch of, I don't know, acetaminophen or something into the complex, are you guys just letting people do what they want and making it fully open source?
Anton: People for themselves can create whatever they want, but we have some suggestions how to do, and we can talk about this later. But the public complexes, which everybody can access, those ones are created by practitioners. So, they usually submitted to publication. We review, and then we publish it so everybody can have access. If there is some change–
Ben: Okay. So, on the website–sorry, to interrupt, on the website, I noticed that next to certain complexes, it says like developed by Emergent Health or developed by Quanta Wellness. Like, if it says that on it, does that mean it was created by an actual practitioner who knew what they were doing?
Ben: Okay. That clarifies because I was a little bit nervous. I'm like, I don't even know who made this complex, but okay. So, if it's got the developer on there, then you know that's been created by somebody who actually knows what they're doing?
Anton: Yes. So, for example, practitioner creates some complex, you add it to your favorites, and later, you come and practitioner made some changes. You will see that there is new version of this complex is created, and you can upgrade to new version of the same complex. You can review changes and you might upgrade.
Ben: Okay. Alright, got it. So, the way this pad works, this glowing pad–and that's the one I've featured on Instagram because it's pretty sexy looking, actually. I plug it into my computer. I select the complex from my computer. And then, I believe I can also connect it to my smartphone if I want to connect to my smartphone the same way, just using an AV cable, and then initiate the transfer. And typically, it seems like most of the transfers, correct me if I'm wrong, take anywhere from like two to six minutes or so. And at that point, the water is ready to drink. Or if I've made the little saline solution, the little saline solution is prepared and infused with the infoceuticals. Now, if I were to run like another Infoceutical on the same glass of water, on the same tincture, does it override the one that I did before? Maybe I choose the wrong one. Do I need to go dump out the water? Or if I run another one, will it just override whatever it was infused with before?
Anton: Yeah. So, how we see it? It's probably alright what was before?
Ben: Okay. Got it. Now, you also have, in addition to this pad that you would place the glass of water, or the small glass bottle on top of, have this thing called a Hummer, which is like a wearable device. It almost looks like a watch that you wear. And there's multiple photos on your website that show people having it strapped in different areas on their body. I've been putting it on my wrist, but it's kind of similar, and that you pair it to your computer, and then in this case, you turn Bluetooth on your computer or on your phone, and then you select your complex, and it seems to transfer that way.
Now, is that basically using all of the same things that we just talked about earlier in terms of the science, but just putting it on your body instead of into the glass of water?
Anton: Yes, but you might use the same. You can also use the same device for attaching to the glass of water or small tincture because in the package, you have three different belts, like small, medium, and large. So, you can attach it to any part of the body or small–
Anton: Yes. It's a little bit longer it takes to transform. For the IC Pad, the Glowing IC Pad, the minimum transfer time is two minutes. For the Hummer would be four minutes.
Ben: Which one's better do you think? Because I've been thinking about this. I'm like, “Why wouldn't I–” because I like to–I'm a little bit of a minimalist and that I don't like to use too many different things all at once. But why wouldn't I just use the IC Pad versus using the Hummer? What's the advantage of using the Hummer?
Anton: Yes. So, the current feedback from people, they most prefer the Glowing IC Pad because it's faster for imprint, and it actually also have herbs inside. If you notice, they have oregano and rosebuds. So, when you transfer any infoceutical of those herbs, also transfer it to your water. And the benefit of the IC Hummer, that is wearable. So, if you use [00:23:50] _____ programs or infoceuticals from the Infopathy, and some of them can be as long as one hour, then you can attach it to your body and just walk around.
Ben: Now, when you attach it to your body, do you need to attach it close to the–like let's say I was going to do something for oxygenation or for lungs. Do I need to place it as close to the organ as possible, or can I just put it on anywhere in my body and then walk around as it's doing its thing?
Anton: The best way, yes, to put is closer to the organ. If you cannot put it there, maybe you have some cardio stimulator or something, then you can put it on other part of the body. If also in description there is no mention of specific part of the body, then you can put it on the sternal or on your stomach.
Ben: Okay. Got it. And then, you also, I noticed on the website, say that you can get a better effect if you wear two at a time instead of one?
Anton: Yes, because you, first of all, can cover bigger area, and in general, intensity would be stronger, and they are both connected via Bluetooth to your smartphone or your computer, and they can run at the same time.
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Now, if I am doing the transfer from my computer and I'm using the wearable device versus using the pad to infuse the glass of water, how close do I need to stay on my computer if I want to walk around, let's say, during the 10 minutes that's doing some kind of a transfer, like for, I wake up in the morning and I want to do–like couple mornings ago, I tried piracetam, the smart drug piracetam. I was doing racetam frequency to get a smart drug effect without actually going to the internet and buying racetam. But I was like 10 feet away from the computer. Is there a certain distance at which the signal is not going to transfer properly?
Anton: If it's a wearable device, it's about 30 feet.
Anton: It should be okay. We use Bluetooth for the Glowing IC Pad. It's needed to be connected with a wire, and wire can be–in the box, we have 3 feet wire, but you can get additional one for like 10 feet. But maybe it's not super convenient to work with wire.
Ben: Okay. When would you use the wire versus just doing the transfer using the audio? Meaning that when I do the transfer, I can select for it to just play audio that does the transfer from my computer. And as long as this wearable device is connected via Bluetooth to my computer, it does the transfer that way. But if I'm using the wire, what's the advantage of using the wire?
Anton: So, it's one device works with the wire, and that's only with the Bluetooth. So, if you select Glowing IC Pad, you can have Glowing IC Pad. I think it would be the best option for the imprint because it's a stronger signal and you will prepare water faster.
Anton: And for the Bluetooth, the advantage is you can carry it around with you. But also, I want to notice that some people with some infoceuticals because I see Hummer also generate acoustic wave. So, it actually creates vibrations. With some infoceuticals, which have maybe higher frequencies, it may be pretty loud.
Ben: Got it. And so, are most of the transfers just done using the audio frequency, or is there–because I seem to recall that you mentioned that there's some type of a pulsed electromagnetic field frequency as well that can be used for the transfers. That confused me a little bit because I understand the idea of putting a glass of water on top of the IC Pad and doing basically like an imprint transfer via that. I understand the concept of using the audible frequency to do the transfer via Bluetooth or via cable that you plug into your computer and doing it via audio. But where were the PEMF be used?
Anton: Yeah. So, all files on the platform stored in just audio format. So, whether if you click without connecting any device, you will hear just through your speakers some noise or sound. But once you connect device, for example, with the cable, that signal will be converted into electromagnetic wave. So, when you expose water on the device, you actually expose it to the electromagnetic wave. There are three types of infoceuticals now on the platform. One called imprint, and those signals are created from substances with different physical products. The second one is PEMF, and those ones boost electromagnetic fields. And we just added them, what, half a year ago. You can also use them with Glowing IC Pad or with IC Hummer. So, when you use those things, IC Pad also emit the specific wave, like pulsed electromagnetic field.
Ben: Okay. I see, I see. So, let's say I had like acute pain and I wanted to use like a rife frequency, which can help to manage acute pain. That particular one, I noticed on the website, is only available, or at least marked as a PEMF frequency. And so, if I were to use that one, then whether I use the wearable or whether I use the pad, they would definitely need to be plugged in?
Ben: Okay. That clarifies. So, that would be a situation which if I had the wearable on, I couldn't be walking around like 30 feet from my computer because I'd want to have it actually plugged into the computer?
Ben: Wearable and wireless, unless it's the PEMF. In which case, you'd want it plugged in, yeah?
Anton: No, no, no. Hummer, it's always wearable.
Ben: Okay. Got it. So, the Hummer, I don't need to plug that in at all, ever?
Anton: Mm-hmm. Yeah, right. For PEMF, I mean, for different type of infoceuticals, we'll have the best application methods. For example, for imprint ones, the best way is to transfer them to water, and then drink water. For PEMF ones, the best way is to apply them directly to body.
Ben: Oh, okay. That makes sense. So, when I'm going through all of the different options on the website for the different infoceuticals, if it says PEMF, I should use the Hummer. If it says imprint, then I should use the water glass one, the pad that I put it on. And then, if it says audible, I should also use the wearable.
Anton: Pretty much, yeah, a little bit. Just to correct, a little bit. Yeah, we have the three different types of infoceuticals. And imprint, you can do with any device. So, with IC Hummer or Glowing IC Pad, you can imprint the signal into the water. The PEMF ones, with both devices, you can apply directly to the body. And audible, we also just recently added them. You can even listen to them with headphones or use IC Hummer because it also generates acoustic waves. You can apply those vibrations to your body.
Ben: So, if one of the infoceuticals says that it's audible, I technically don't need a device. I could literally just play the sound through my computer speakers. And I assume for you, people would still like buy access to the website, but they don't have to buy a piece of equipment if all they wanted to experiment with initially was the audible frequencies, just if they wanted to see how it feels and see if it works, explore some of the infoceuticals and complexes. And then, they could also, if they wanted to and they were finding success with the audible frequencies, then get one of these devices like the pad or the wearable. That would also allow not only for the audible frequencies, but also for the actual PEMF, and then the transfer into water.
Anton: Yeah. Right.
Ben: Okay. Alright, this is making sense. Do I have to use just water, or could I use coffee or tea, or even like a plate of food instead?
Anton: Yeah. People use actually other different substances, but there's some limitations. For example, the liquid, like tea or other drink shouldn't be hotter than–I forget to translate it in Fahrenheit, but hotter than 30 Celsius, pretty much hotter than–
Ben: Why is that? Are the molecules just moving too quickly at that rate?
Ben: Okay. So, that's like, what, 90 degrees, in a little under 90 degrees Fahrenheit?
Anton: Yeah. Molecules are moving too fast and just can't stay together and keep holding that state. And also–
Ben: Yeah. I don't know if I like that. That'd be a pretty cold cup of coffee. Now, what I have been doing though, like I mentioned in the introduction, is–and tell me what you think of this. I actually showed this on Instagram the other day. I made myself a cocktail, right? A little bit of whiskey little bit of beet juice, little bit of sparkling water over some ice, put a pinch of sea salt in there, put it on the Glowing IC Pad, and did the liver and gallbladder transfer for liver and gallbladder support to go along with my cocktail. So, I could theoretically do something like that?
Anton: Yes. Also bought alcohol. Some experiments showed that it should be below 50, like 50 [00:35:20] _____.
Ben: Well, I put ice in all my cocktail, so that's fine. And that just means the molecules are moving a little bit more slowly and would be more susceptible to being imprinted?
Anton: Yeah, right.
Ben: Okay. Alright, got it. Man, we're getting through all my practical questions, which I think is–like to understand the concept I think is pretty easy. And then, like, how to do it I think is what's going to throw people for a loop. So, I'm really glad we're doing this interview to talk about a lot of the practical aspects. So, I notice for the audible frequencies, it tells you to only have the sound on your computer at 80%. What if this sounds too loud, is something bad happened?
Anton: Yeah. This recommendation comes with IC Hummer. And if you put like 100% of the volume, the IC Hummer will actually like leave it overheating. Yeah. That's for technical reasons.
Ben: Okay. Alright, got it. That makes sense. And then, also, I wanted to ask you, how long would the effects last? I guess what I mean is, let's say I wear the Hummer, which is the wearable device, and I'm doing like I did this morning, and transferring one of the adrenal fatigue complexes onto the IC Hummer, right? And I think this morning, that was actually, if I recall properly, was like an audio complex and it took like four minutes to transfer. Now, once that transfer is done, can I just take the wearable off, or do I need to keep it on to continue to feel the effect?
Anton: No, you can remove it.
Ben: Okay. So, you just basically put it on when you want to do the transfer then you're done?
Ben: Okay. Got it. That makes sense. Now, in terms of the length of the transfer, we talked about how that varies quite a bit. It seems like it's anywhere from 2 to 10 minutes. And so, that answered that question that I had. One kind of important question that I have, because I know people are going to ask this, is like, has this been studied? Like, is there actual research on this, or is this all just anecdotal folks who are submitting an infoceutical online and saying it worked for them?
Anton: Yeah. There were studies on these phenomena in general. And also, we had few research, plus, people submitted us constantly their feedback. And yeah, I can go through some studies we had, for example, with one of the popular infoceuticals that currently we have on the platform. And by the way, if someone doesn't know what to try, they always can go to the catalog and sort all infoceuticals by transfer count and see what's popular or not.
Anton: So, one of them is [00:37:47] _____, cold. And this drug we actually were starting with the person who actually created this drug. Initially, it was to stimulate the immune system. And they were doing the blind studies on the mice. So, they take group of mice, put them in the irradiation chamber to reduce their immune system. It's like a starter technique to test different drugs. The first group of mice was getting [00:38:14] _____ just water exposed to the white noise. The second group of mice was treated with actual substance. The third group of mice were given the infoceutical of this drug. And the last group will receive an infoceutical plus substance. So, after four days of this treatment, they open mice and examine their spleen for their antibody-forming cells, and they found out that the group number two, three, where there was substance or infoceutical were pretty much equal in terms of those cells, which are responsible for immune system.
And group number four where mice was treated with both substance and infoceutical, their number of cells were almost double compared to group number two and three. So, that brought us to understand maybe infoceutical work a little bit in different paths than regular substance. And then, we were doing other experiments where people would use infoceutical as additional methods. So, for example, someone using a drug. We had this study with ulcer. And so, one group of people were using drug for ulcer, another group of people were using also drug for ulcer plus infoceuticals. And after few weeks, they found that it's infoceutical increased the effectiveness of the drug.
Ben: Okay. Got it, got it. So, primarily, it looks like a lot of the studies are, correct me if I'm wrong, like rodent model type of studies?
Anton: Mostly with rodents.
Ben: Yeah. Well, I mean–and again, like I don't want to frown upon anecdotal research too much because I actually have noticed, and I'm really, after using it multiple times, not convinced the placebo effect some pretty impressive results when doing these transfers. So, I'm kind of onboard, but I was just curious, the level of studies. And are there any studies that are ongoing right now on this? Because I notice on your website, for example, you do have multiple publications that are listed, but I'm curious if you guys are actively running any type of research.
Anton: Like, right now, we don't have any studies ongoing, but we are in processing with discussion with some group of people and practitioners to do studies with people, now currently selecting what type of studies to do. Yeah, thinking about diabetes 2 because we've also had some good results with IC of metformin for second type of diabetes.
Ben: Oh, really? Yeah. I actually thought about doing that last night because we had sweet potato fries before dinner. I was going to go choose metformin or berberine because I have a continuous blood glucose monitor. I didn't get around at doing it. I was too busy. So, I slacked off, but maybe I'll do it tonight. It'll be fresh in my mind, but I'm actually curious to see if running one of those actually affects my blood glucose response in a significant way. Have you done any type of experiments like that?
Anton: Yeah. We've done experiment with a group of people who had diabetes the second type, and they were using this infoceutical for about 16 months to get really good results. Like, their weight went down by 30% sugar level, and other parameters also improved.
Ben: Interesting. Okay. Cool. How do you like to use it? Like, what are some of your top infoceuticals or top complexes that you personally like to use?
Anton: For me, I usually use imprint into water, and yeah, I work a lot in computer, and sometimes I have this pain behind my eyes in the middle of the head. So, I have this complex and I actually saw that that complex was created by some practitioner initially for their patients. So, I copied it, and it's called For Eyes. It's not directly for relaxing the eyes or doing something relaxing the brain, but I start using it. And again, it's little bit hard to judge the thing, but it pretty much felt right away the ease or the symptoms that I had in the head for that thing, and I use it pretty often.
Ben: Now, when you say you use it pretty often, is this like multiple times per day you're charging up water, or using the deal where you're making like the saline solution and just using the water droplets, or what does it actually look like for you when you say you use a lot?
Anton: Yeah. Regularly, it's like if I have that feeling in my head, then I will just prepare 1/2 liter like big bottle of water and use it during the day.
Ben: Okay. Got it. What are the complexes do you like, complexes or infoceuticals that you think are just like ones that I should try out, or the people listening, if they get a device, should be like top of their list to experiment with?
Anton: I see a lot of people using trauma complex. We have a lot of people from Germany, this group of people who are into health, and athletes. There's one person who recommends this complex, who actually created it. It's called trauma. It's actually PEMF that you can apply directly to your body, like other ones that people are also noticing if they're into fitness, they reduce testosterone, and that was actually reporting that they had blood tests and they saw the increasing of the testosterone level in the blood.
Ben: Really? Which one was that that acts on testosterone?
Anton: Yeah. It's actually like testosterone. We recorded the signal–
Ben: Oh, it's actually the signal for testosterone. Have you tried the one that's–sorry to keep coming back to this. I know my audience loves this kind of stuff, but have you tried the one for sildenafil or like the active component of Viagra?
Anton: No. Personally, I didn't try that.
Ben: Okay. Yeah. That one's also on my list to try because again, there's like hundreds of different recipes on here. It's almost overwhelming to know which ones to try, but I'm just–fortunately, your software on the website has a little heart button where I can favorite the ones that I like. But just to give people an idea of what a complex would be like, like the complex for, let's say like the adrenal fatigue one that has actually pretty good reviews because it has the ability for people to rank and review each of the complexes. It has the ability to do–and this one is imprint. So, this is one that you would imprint on water, but it's basically Rhodiola, progesterone, piracetam, fluoxetine, which is actually, it's a pharmaceutical used to treat major depressive disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder, DHEA, and then a bunch of adrenal supporting kind of like botanicals, like herbs and botanicals all mixed into one complex versus one of the infoceuticals that would be just like DHEA. So, a big hefty complex like this, I notice that each of those normally would take two minutes to transfer, and those were six different things I just listed off. Would that mean it would take a total of 12 minutes to transfer this into water, or can it do all those in two minutes?
Anton: They'll do it all in two minutes because they will be transferring all at the same time.
Ben: Okay. Got it. Yeah. I notice there's like an option there to transfer them one by one or transfer them all at once. Who would transfer them one by one? Like, would there be any advantage to that?
Anton: Yeah. If someone creates complex and includes inside complex, not imprint infoceuticals, but PEMF, so it's kind of creating a playlist. If you create PEMF signals, the best way to transfer them would be one by one.
Ben: That makes sense. Yeah. I had this thing called the BioCharger. That's a PEMF device, and you can tell like if I run the 15-minute rife frequency on there, it's alternating in frequencies. You can hear it like–and so, I would imagine you'd do them one at a time if it were a PEMF frequency versus an imprint on the water like this where you could just do it all at once.
Anton: Yeah. Here, we also have some rife frequencies, we recently added on the website.
Ben: Oh, really? Huh, interesting. It's kind of funny because prior to hooking up with you and starting to experiment with your device, I would actually sometimes take a glass of water when I was running my BioCharger, and actually, just put the glass of water right next to the BioCharger to just basically infuse the water with the same stuff I was running the BioCharger just because again, I mean, like the concept of energy transfer into water is something that we didn't spend a lot of time talking about on this episode, but something I've talked about on previous episodes in detail. We know that water can carry information. I didn't want to kind of kick that horse to death since I've talked about on other shows before. But I'm just infatuated with this concept, especially because like if you think about it–I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
You look at a pharmaceutical like that anti-depressant pharmaceutical I've mentioned earlier, and if you were to take the actual pharmaceutical, you're looking at liver first pass, possibly some gastric upset. Some of the issues that might go along with digesting or detoxing the body from a pharmaceutical–and correct me if I'm wrong, but if you were just using the frequency of that, you would get the same effect as the molecular frequency without any of the digestive issues because you're not having to digest the actual compound, right?
Anton: Yes, correct. Yeah. The practitioner noticing there is no side effects on using infoceuticals. And we actually had experiments with fluoxetine with mice using experiment called open field. So, you hold mice in the cage where they cannot move for a few hours. It's called like immobilization. And then, also, you divide them in different groups and let them run in this field, checking how fast they go, how many sections [00:47:53] _____. And also, comparing regular drug with infoceutical found that there were pretty much similar effects with infoceutical and the drug itself.
Ben: Yeah. Now, are many people using this with their pets? Because I noticed you've selected some that are appropriate for animals. I noticed one of the probiotic ones, it actually is a spore-based probiotic that has been shown to be one that assists dogs, for example, with gastrointestinal issues. Could I just take my dog's bowl of water, put it on the IC Pad before I call him down from downstairs or from upstairs in the morning, infuse the water for a couple of minutes and give them something in the water when they wake up?
Anton: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It can also work for plants as well. We don't have much for plants, but yeah, for dogs and–animals, I mean, it can work.
Ben: What would be an example of something you would give to a plant?
Anton: So, we have now Miracle-Gro.
Ben: Oh, no kidding.
Anton: Yeah. Someone created plant growth booster.
Ben: Imagine that you could do like minerals and things like that.
Anton: Yeah. There's like a lot of things people can do. We try not to limit possibilities there because we also want to learn more and see what people can do with all of this.
Ben: How often would people need to–or would there be like an appropriate frequency of use? Or could you just use it when the time is necessary, or is this the type of thing where the more you use it, the more impact it has in her body, almost like this entrainment effects?
Anton: Yeah. That's a good question. And with imprint, what we notice is people have to use it regularly because it's usually lighter effect. So, you have to drink water at least. So, like few sips each few hours, like three times a day, for example, but regularly. So, day after day. And with PEMF as well, the practitioner says if you're using it for a few days, then you stop using it, it's kind of going back first step. So, you have to use it for some time.
Ben: Okay. Got it. And by the way, let's say somebody's listening and they only had the money to be able to buy one of the devices, like let's see the Glowing Pad that you would normally put the glass of water on, or the Hummer. Now, we've established that I could take that Hummer if I bought that and just wrap it around a glass of water. Could I similarly take that Glowing Pad even though it needs to be plugged in with the wire and isn't going to–I can't get very far because it doesn't have Bluetooth on it? But could I also just like slap that on my body and use it on my body instead of a glass of water?
Anton: Yeah, definitely can do that. Also, if you really want to turn Glowing IC Pad into wireless, you can just get one of these adapters, which turn your headphones into wireless headphones. Maybe in Amazon, like $10 or something like that. And you technically can also turn the Glowing IC Pad into wireless. We just made Glowing IC Pad with wire. We were initially comparing two options, wireless and with wire. And some people maybe not really like Bluetooth because they want to–even it's really a low-energy Bluetooth, it doesn't have lots of emission. Some people still prefer not to have any wireless devices.
Ben: I mean, yeah. I usually leave Bluetooth off on all my devices unless I'm actually using it. I have no problem flipping Bluetooth on for a two-minute transfer, like that's not a big deal to me. I wouldn't sleep with Bluetooth devices or use like the Apple earbuds with Bluetooth all day long while I'm talking on my phone, but flipping a device on for a couple of minutes, I don't get nervous about that at all. As a matter of fact, a lot of the evidence shows that it's not really the exposure to EMF that's as big of a problem as never giving your body a break from the exposure so that calcium is never able to efflux from the cells, and the membranes are never able to repair, which is arguably why the eight hours of sleep that you get during the night or the prime time to focus on having the Wi-Fi router unplugged and having your bedroom be a very safe place electronically, because if you're bombarded with EMF all day long, your body can actually do a pretty good job healing while you're in bed if you make your bedroom just like a dark old school Luddite cave with no frequencies in it. So, that all makes sense.
Well, this is super interesting. Is there anything else that you want to share with people while I have you on, Anton?
Anton: I would like to also add maybe a little bit, some tips on creating complex. I notice that some people create complex like really big, like put in there 100 different substances or signals inside.
Ben: Yeah. That sounds like something I do.
Anton: Yeah. Actually, that's how we started the project. We're thinking, “Ah, there's no side effects.” And if frequency isn't right for the body, there will be no effect at all. So, why don't put all of them together and let body choose what it needs? So, when we were just starting, we have signals of 50 different pharmaceuticals, and they created one signal out of all of them, and practitioner would test them. For some people, it had effects. For another people, it didn't have any effect. So, we figure out that it depends on the body, maybe energy level, how healthy they are, how can they well-digest information.
And in general, practitioners not recommend to put into the complex up to six substances, up to six infoceuticals, at least when you're starting. If you're using six into one complex, and then you want to add all of them, first what you can do, you can create few different complexes, and then create, for example, three different tinctures. Use them during the day, one after another with at least 10-minutes break. Also, we recommend to cover, if you create small tincture, to cover it with aluminum foil also to protect from external electromagnetic emission.
Ben: Yeah, or just use one that's like one of the Miron glass tincture bottles, which also does a great job blocking frequencies, if you didn't want to wrap it in aluminum foil, because I know those work pretty well. You can buy those on Amazon, too. You can just get the Miron glass water dropper bottles.
Anton: Yeah. But initially, you would need to transfer in some regular glass, transparent, so you can actually get frequencies from their device into the water, and then put it in the small tinctures.
Ben: You can't just put the tincture bottle onto the Glowing IC Pad and use the water in the tincture instead?
Anton: No. If it has the special mirror covering, then probably not because it's–
Ben: Oh, yeah, because it's not going to transfer. Yeah, you're right. Good point, good point. Okay. Yeah. These are the subtle details that guys like you help me with. Well, this is just incredibly fascinating, and I know people may have some follow-up questions about all of this. And so, what I'm going to do is I'm going to link to the Infopathy website where you can go check out some of their complexes, some of their infoceuticals, these devices. The two that I own are the wearable, which is called the Hummer, and then the IC Pad, which is the glowing device that you put the glass of water, or as we've established, your cup of whiskey on top of. And I've been having a ton of fun experimenting with these. So, they're not that expensive. What are they, like 150, 160 bucks, something like that? One of the wearables, which honestly, it's not that much. You also get 10% off with code BENG10 on Anton's website. It's at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/infopathy. And then, the shownotes are at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/anton, A-N-T-O-N.
Anton, this is just absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing this stuff with us.
Anton: Yeah. Thank you very much. You explain like really well everything.
Ben: Awesome. I ask all the dumb questions, but I hopefully get smarter every show. Well, folks, thanks so much for listening in. I'm Ben Greenfield along with Anton Fedorenko. I think what I might do is I'm going to go–do you have any frequencies that would just be like alcohol? Could I go drink in the middle of the day with a glass of water and have nobody know?
Anton: Alcohol itself we don't have, but we have cannabis.
Ben: Okay. Oh, yeah. Cannabis, okay. Maybe I'd do some cannabis, a little GABA in there, and go over nice, relaxing, midday water-based infoceutical cocktail at the end of a podcast. I'll let you all know how that goes. Alright, Anton. Thanks, man. This has been fascinating.
Anton: Thank you very much.
Ben: Alright, folks. I'm Ben Greenfield along with Anton Fedorenko signing out from BenGreenfieldFitness.com. Have an amazing week.
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I've talked in the past about the use of inaudible sound waves to elicit specific brain wave and neurotransmitter responses, specifically with a device called the “Apollo,” which I discuss in this podcast.
I've also been exploring the use of magnetic waves to elicit certain neurotransmitter responses, via a device called a “Hapbee,” which can simulate chemicals such as caffeine, nicotine, melatonin, MDMA, etc. to elicit a physiological response without the actual intake of supplements, pharmaceuticals, or any other compounds or medicines. I'll be doing a podcast on this device soon.
And finally, I've now been experimenting with a so-called “Infopathy” device (use code BENG10 for 10% off any of their devices), which “imprints” water, or your body, with frequencies of everything from St. John's Wort to coffee to Viagra to anything else you want from their literal hundreds of “infoceutical” options. It's so fascinating that I just had to get the inventor on the show!
Anton Fedorenko, the creator of the Infopathy devices, received his BASc in applied physics and mathematics and MASc in innovation and high technologies from the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology in Russia. For 10 years, Anton has been involved with several water-related projects wherein he not only conducted fundamental research but also developed water-related products and web-based platforms. From 2013 to 2017, he was a member of the organizing committee for the annual Water Conference on the Physics, Chemistry, and Biology of Water. In 2018, Anton founded Ash•Nu Technologies Inc. and is currently developing two platforms: Infopathy and AquaPsy. Infopathy allows users to transfer infoceuticals (ICs) for health, cosmetic, veterinary, and gardening purposes anytime, anywhere. AquaPsy takes consciousness research to a whole new level. Through AquaPsy, people from around the world can be connected remotely to water-based sensors, which can detect and evaluate influences caused by non-local mind effects. Both these platforms help one rediscover themselves from the quantum view.
During this discussion, you'll discover:
- An online platform where people can download signals recorded from various substances
- Use properties for medications without actual substances
- Naturopaths have used this practice for years
- First publication on the topic was in 1922(how metals affect blood vessels in rabbits)
- Memory of water is a term associated with infopathy
- Why Water, Sunlight, Grounding & Relationships Are The Keys To Your Health & How To Feed, Clean & Protect Your Body Forever: An Interview With Ben Greenfield’s Father Gary Greenfield.
- Similar, but not the same as homeopathy
- Article: What Are Infoceuticals?
- Infoceutical FAQs
-Quantum Electro Dynamic (QED) theory applied to everyday life…13:30
- Video on the QED theory
- Should water be consumed immediately after being treated?
- Consume within 3 days
- Avoid exposure to WiFi or cell phones
- Miron glassto protect herbs and nutrients from radiation
- 1 tsp of saltadded into the water to increases the efficacy of infopathy (mineralized water is more stable)
- IC Pad for charging water(use code BENG10 to save 10%)
-Mixing many ingredients into treated water…18:30
- A “complex” is a mix of several ingredients into one water
- Suggestions for complexes in order to get the desired result
- Public complexes are created by practitioners via a peer-reviewed process
- Running a new infoceutical on top of an existing one will override the old one
-The wearable that allows you to transmit infoceuticals…22:30
- IC Hummer wearable device, that can also be used on water(use code BENG10 to save 10%)
- If you don't have the IC Pad, wrap the Hummer around the water and get the same effect
- IC Padis slightly faster than the Hummer and also contains herbs
- The IC Hummercan be attached to the body and absorbed while you do stuff
- Get a better effect if you wear two IC Hummersat once
- You can be up to 30 feet away from the device and get the effect
- A wired device will be more effective than a bluetooth device
-PEMF used to transfer infoceuticals into the body…29:45
- Files are stored in audio format
- The PEMF absorbs the electromagnetic waves that are present in the audio
- Some infoceuticals are PEMF only: must be plugged in, no Bluetooth
- PEMF infoceuticals are best applied directly to the body, not by drinking imprinted water
- Three types of infoceuticals:
- PEMFs are directly applied to the body
-Liquids other than water that can be used to transfer infoceuticals to the body…34:05
- Liquid should not be hotter than 30°C (around 90°F)
- Molecules move too fast for it to be effective
- Ben did a liver and gallbladdertransfer via a chilled cocktail
-Legitimate research that has been conducted on infoceuticals…37:00
- Publications listed on Infopathy website
- Study on Metformin's effects on Type 2 diabetes is forthcoming
-Ben and Anton's favorite infoceuticals and best practices…41:35
- Imprint into water
- Treat pain behind eyes
- Prep 1.5 liter and use throughout the day
- Trauma complex
- Complex for adrenal fatigue
- Multiple imprint infoceuticals transfer simultaneously
- PEMF is best transferred one by one via a playlist
-Infoceuticals that are appropriate for plants and animals…48:05
-Appropriate frequency of use for infoceuticals…49:20
- Imprinted and PEMF require regular use to maintain the effects
- IC Padcan be made wireless with an inexpensive adapter
- Occasional Bluetooth exposure is not as problematic as constant exposure
-Tips on creating infoceutical complexes…52:22
- Miron glasswater-dropper bottles
Resources from this episode:
– Anton Fedorenko:
- Infopathy(use code BENG10 to save 10%)
- Ash•Nu Technologies Inc.
- Why Water, Sunlight, Grounding & Relationships Are The Keys To Your Health & How To Feed, Clean & Protect Your Body Forever: An Interview With Ben Greenfield’s Father Gary Greenfield.
– Other resources:
- Quinton Sea Minerals
- Sea Salt
- Miron Glass
- Water Conference on the Physics, Chemistry, and Biology of Water
- Nikolai P. Kravkov: Informational Influence of Pharmacological Agents on Biological Tissues
- Video on the QED Theory
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