[Transcript] – The Human Garage: Discover How To Reboot Your Body & Recharge Your Brain With The Most Advanced Form Of Bodywork That Exists.

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[00:00] Introduction/HealthGains/HumanCharger

[05:46] About Garry Lineham & The Human Garage

[25:31] Ben's First Trip to The Human Garage

[34:30] Garry's Discovery About the Human Body

[47:42] The Four People in The Human Garage

[52:28] Organifi/Onnit

[55:09] On Tuning In

[1:08:03] On Biochemical Testing

[1:20:44] On Fasting

[1:33:16] On Essential Oils & Frequencies

[1:37:42] Sprig & THC Isolates

[1:44:14] Neurology Demonstration

[1:59:55] More on The Human Garage

[2:05:18] End of the Podcast

Ben:  Alright, so last month, I went to this place called The Human Garage in Venice Beach, California and experienced an absolutely mind-blowing full body reboot that was the most unique mash up of deep tissue body work, and aroma therapy, and energy healing, and ancestral methods and modern science that I've ever experienced in my life, and I left like a new man with a new body.  I'm not kidding.  No plastic surgery required.  My body was new, fresh, totally reinvented.  So these folks at The Human Garage, they're freaking geniuses.  They have this extremely unique biomechanical and biochemical approach to fixing your body, your pain, your dysfunction.  Just unwinding you and releasing you and they fly into the radar 'cause mostly up until this point, they've only worked with celebrities and pro athletes out of this tiny little place in Venice Beach, but they're now opening up to what they do to the world, and on today's podcast episode, you're going to get to listen to my interview with their founder, Gary Lineham.

And if you go to bengreenfieldfitness.com/humangarage, you can also access the video version of today's podcast 'cause Gary demonstrates some stuff along with all the show notes and everything you need if you want to go visit The Human Garage.  They'll skype with you, they'll call you, they'll see if you'd be the right person to come into if you want to, and if you have any aches or pains that you just haven't been able to solve, I'm telling you.  Buy a ticket to LA, you need to go see these guys, period.  That's all I can say.

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In this episode of The Ben Greenfield Fitness Show:

“You'll see is that the fat is in the fascia of the blood vessels.  You've got the lymph nodes in the fascia.  Everything is contained in the fascia, and its moving water around.  So when the fascia doesn't have enough water, it starves and it starts to get tight.”  “I can cut out every nerve, I can cut out every bone, and I can cut every muscle.  I can take every piece of hair off your body, but I can't remove fascia.  Fascia is inside the muscle belly, fascia is around the muscle, fascia goes through the heart, through the brain.  It's everywhere in the body.  We're inextricably linked to fascia.”

Ben:  Hey if you guys are watching right now, we're about to go live with the podcast with The Human Garage, The Human Garage.  You've been seeing a lot on social media the past couple days.  Now you're going to learn what this is all about.  So as we go, just for those of you who are watching now, if you leave your comments as we're podcasting, I can address comments and questions that you have, but realize we're going to cover a ton of stuff in today's show.  And so it may be that a common hard question you have early on the show is something we plan on addressing later on.  So if you don't see me responding to your question, it's not because I'm ignoring you.  It's because I know we're going to cover it anyways later, and we are going to be standing during most of this show.

Garry:  With a squat break.

Ben:  Yeah, that's right.  With a squat break.  So before we begin, are we doing a shot?

Garry:  We're doing a shot?

Ben:  We're doing a shot before we begin.

Garry:  So let me tell you why we're doing a shot.

Ben:  And I'll introduce who I am with here in just a moment, but first.  Explain to me, Gary, who I'll introduce momentarily, why are we taking a shot of Jaeger before we start this podcast?

Garry:  Well so our whole body is driven by the fascia, and the fascia actually responds very well to a single ounce of alcohol.  We get all wound up and tense up to the day, but you take one shot, it relaxes the entire body.  Second shot, cortisol starts to fire, and you're in trouble.

Ben:  Okay, so a single shot.  Now this is Jaeger, why do you like Jaeger?

Garry:  Well, it's medicinal.  You can use any distilled alcohol.  This is what they did in the old country, right?

Ben:  I was telling you this before.  What I'll probably do when I go home if I start doing a little shot here and there before I podcast, the podcast can get a little bit crazy you guys.  My brother married a Polish, so I got all this fine Polish vodka.  I'm going to do a little bit of vodka with some digestive bitters thrown in.  If I'm going to make this happen, that's going to be my go-to.

Garry:  Okay, so mine?

Ben:  I’ve got a nice miron glass jar here, unoxidized Jaeger, do I take the rest of this?

Garry:  That's yours.

Ben:  Alright, drinking in the middle of the day baby.  So you're saying this relaxes the fascia?

Garry:  Yeah, and you'll see it kick in about ten minutes.

Ben:  And you're all about fascia.  Now the other thing, not to make you guys think that this entire show is going to be about drinking strange things, but Gary also had me try this before my Spartan race yesterday.  What I'm holding right now are ketones.  Betahydroxybutarate salts which we've discussed before on the show, but there are two other things that you know if you listened to my other podcast on ketones.  Number one, they're delivered best when combined with medium-chain triglycerides or MCT oil.  That's the prevailing thought, and number two is you need a lot of salt added into the actual Betahydroxybutarate to make it more deliverable to the body.  Now why is this different, Gary?

Garry:  So what we're using here is a combination, it's another patent.  There's only two patents in the world on ketones.  One is from Florida State, and that patent uses four times the amount of salts, of BHP, and they use MCT oil to activate the ketones.  This patent here actually uses Butyric Acid.  Butyric Acid is actually naturally occurring in our system.

Ben:  Butyric acid, that's like Butyrate?  People would drink butter for example and they're morning fat coffee also known as BP coffee.  I won't say the full word, so I don't get any cease and desist orders on the podcast.  Anyways, so normally you'd have Butyric acid in your gut.  Now why are you blending it with the ketones?

Garry:  So the butyric acid is the activator for the salts.  So we use our own body's adipose fat to activate the salts rather than putting a third party or another MCT oil in there.  Because if you're an athlete, MCT oil is great, but if you're using it for health purposes, and there's a lot of reasons we can talk about later, why you might want to, you don't want to have an extra thousand, fifteen hundred calories of oil.

Ben:  Well that's the thing is you dump all the oil in your coffee in the morning or you consume these ketone supplements that have added oil.  You look at the label at sixty, seventy, eighty calories which adds up over the day if you're drinking a lot of these MCT oil or the MCT powders.  So you basically figured out a way to increase the availability of the ketones by combining them with butyric acid.

Garry:  Right, and the patent actually and just so I properly recognize it, it's Franco Cavaleri.  He's a PhD from Canada.  He was actually Mr. North America.

Ben:  I was going to say he's a bodybuilder, right?

Garry:  He was.  Actually it was funny because I competed in the same stage as him.

Ben:  We're going to get into your story here in just a second.  Yeah, you got a crazy story.

Garry:  So what happened was he had ulcerative colitis, and he started this quest to find out how to fix it, and there's a couple of parts.  We're going to talk about later, but this was a secondary.  He found that butyric acid, and there's only two patents to the second one, he found out that butyric acid would actually activate the adipose fat so we can activate the ketones.  What's really cool about it is BA is really what you want.  The ketones really give you a kick, but the butyric acid, the cool part about that is that it creates nutritional ketosis.  Nutritional ketosis is really what you want.

Ben:  Right.  Causing the liver to churn out more ketones in the same way that MCT oil causes the liver to churn out more ketones.  Butyric acid is achieving the same thing.

Garry:  Exactly, but using your own body fat to do it, so for things like weight loss and stuff like that, it works a lot better.  Appetite control, sugar regulation.

Ben:  I love it, and it tastes good.  It's black cherry flavor.  It's a betahydroxybutarate salt, green tea leaf extract and then butyric acid.

Garry:  That’s right!

Ben:  Amazing!  This was like rocket fuel in my race yesterday by the way.  Dude, I didn't eat breakfast before the race.  I did nothing, I just ate a bunch of these ketones.  Double dosed on them which is actually what I'm drinking during our podcast as well.  I want to talk in a little bit later on in the show about Franco and how he beat his ulcerative clolitis, and because a lot of people have digestive issues or digestive inflammation including myself which we'll talk about.  There are some other things he took, but we'll get to those in a second because I want you guys to know who I'm actually with right now.  So Gary, you pronounce your last name Lineham?

Garry:  Lineham, yeah.

Ben:  Lineham.  I met you two months ago.  When I was at Paleo f(x), I was chatting with a guy, Adam Von Rothfelder.  It's Von Rothfelder, right?  Hello Adam, I know you're probably listening in.  Adam, he won the NBC TV show Strong, I believe.  Excellent personal trainer, wealth of knowledge.  I'll put a link to Adam's stuff in the show notes, but Adam said Ben, you got to go see these guys at The Human Garage.  They will absolutely blow your mind.

People fly up to my house and do fashion work on me.  People send me to all of these places all over the globe to do all these crazy things from Thai massage to neurofeedback to every form of body work therapy that exists, and I have never experienced in my life what you guys are doing here at The Human Garage.  I had to get you on the show, but I find your story fascinating.  I think it's a great place for us to start to fill people in on how this all came to be.  Why we're standing at Venice Beach right now in this place called The Human Garage.  So tell me how this all started.

Garry:  Well if we go back a bunch of years ago, I was a bodybuilder in Canada, went to the Nationals and qualified Pro, and at the time I thought that was going to be my career.  I fell under a squat back in the late eighties, six hundred pound squat.  I'd actually been on the squat like this, and as I went down, I dropped and twerked.  Obviously injured, as in bed for a couple of weeks, then I spent the next twenty years trying to fix that injury 'cause that injury threw my body into a cycle of injuries, and it was injury after injury after injury.  I was training and exercising and still relatively healthy, but as I moved into my thirties, it started to catch up.  By the time I was thirty two, my back was going off two or three times a year, and by the time I was thirty five, thirty six, I was crying in pain, literally.

I remember a very specific time, I was on the living room floor doing cat pounds, trying to relieve my back and crying to the point of so much pain that I just thought I don't even want to be here anymore.  And it got to a point where when I was forty, my back, ten times a year, I was twenty two weeks basically in bed.  Every time I got up, I was back down, and I spend twenty years going to therapy, two, three, four times a week, just to maintain my life.  And I went all over the globe looking for therapies.  Kind of like what you're doing, you're testing and trying everything, but I was doing it to try and heal myself.

Ben:  You weren't doing it out of sheer curiosity.  You are doing it because you were slowly losing the desire to live.  You were in so much pain.

Garry:  It was actually the desire to live.

Ben:  And it was funny what you say by the way about an injury leading into a cascade of injuries, and we talked about that a little bit as you were working on me the past couple of days.  This is something that a lot of people deal with, right.  They hurt their big toe that leads to a knee injury, it leads to a hip issue, leads to the back, and we talked about how it leads to the gut and neural issues.  I mean, it's like this vicious cycle that so many people experienced.  So you had this going on, you started travelling around the globe.

Garry:  And combined with a couple of head injuries.  Most people had head injuries, and they don't actually know that they have.  That's the funny part.  I remember now going back, I was six years old.  The first time we were playing up front, I got hit in the side of the head here with a baseball bat, knocked me out, and that was the start of the neurological stuff.  So eight concussion later, a bodybuilding injury, and where it really hit me was May 10, 2010.  I was sitting in front of a computer, I opened up a web browser, and I couldn't remember how to use the web browser, and it scared the living daylights out of me.

I crawled up in a ball, cried, and that moment changed my life.  That was where everything started to happen.  And I decided at that point, I needed to fix myself, and I went up and actively tried.  Worked on and tried to find a solution 'cause I've been playing around like everybody else.  I had been trying to fix injuries and fix the things that were bothering me, but it just wasn't working, and it was getting worse and worse and worse.  I have been to three hundred chiropractors over time, physical therapists over the country, everything.

Ben:  You were like a stereotypical health seeker trying out all these different fixes for your body?

Garry:  That's right.  When we're hurt, we do, we seek.

Ben:  Oh we do.  Have you ever read Dr. David Hawkins' book, I think its “Healing and Recovery”.  He also has another one called “Surrender”.  Both great books, and in one of those books, I forget which book it is, but I actually have a blog post.  I'll post it in the show notes for you guys which are going to be at bengreenfieldfitness.com/humangarage just like it sounds, bengreenfieldfitness.com/humangarage.  There's a chapter in that Hawkins book, and I'll put it in the show note for you guys, where he goes into two full pages of all the things people try when their bodies are broken or their digestive system is broken, and just like you, they turn into these hypochondriac health seeker trying to figure out what's going on and trying every supplement on the face of the planet and every method on the face of the planet, and it sounds like you started down that road.

Garry:  Yeah, and we all do.  It's really because, and we come back to the way that we do our therapy and alignment protocol is that when you're actually in pain, your brain is always seeking solutions.  The job of the brain is to evaluate the internal and external environments and adapt us to those environments.  And one of the biggest problems that we have is we start to blame everything else, but this is all at the end of it.  It's all controlled by the brain, it's all neurology, and then again we have to take a step back because there's a lot of belief in the world that the brain is in charge of the body but it clinically is not.

If you take to look at it.  There's where one of the differences is.  There's a big gap between science and medicine, and this is where the problem is because we spend a lot of our time in medicine without reviewing the science, and what I really appreciate about what you're doing and other biohackers out there is they're looking for the science, and they're not waiting for the medicine to catch up 'cause medicine wants a peer review.  They want ten years of studies, but sometimes we just needed to get stuff done.  So there's fifteen thousand peer reviewed articles out there, and even the HeartMath Institute, it's scientifically proven that the brain is not in charge.  We can argue about what is in charge, and we have our beliefs and other people have their beliefs, but we can just say that if we start off with the brain as not in charge that lets us make a series of other decisions about the body and how we're going to handle things.  Think of your body as a computer and your brain is a CPU rather than the brain being the computer.  If that's the case, then the CPU is opening and running programs all they want.

Ben:  Interesting, so you're saying that the fascia is the brain.

Garry:  Well that's exactly what started to come up.

Ben:  Alright, I'm going to back up here because you were travelling all around looking for these solutions, and I know we're going to get this question, so I'm going to ask you the difficult question, the devil's advocate question.  Why the hell should we trust a guy like you? Was it all the studying that you did? Was it your background? I know it's a tough question, but what was it that fueled? How did you learn all of this?

Garry:  It's a fair question.  I'm just like you, I'm just somebody who wants to learn.  I was trained in nutrition, I was a bodybuilder, and I was an athlete.

Ben:  Bodybuilding, by the way.  One of the most bro science geeked out.  Having been a bodybuilder, I used to spend hours reading text books that people were paying universities lots of tuition dollars to actually learn this stuff and buy.  I was just burying myself in textbooks when I was a bodybuilder, and being home-schooled K through 12, I have nothing against the process of self-learning, but it sounds like you as a bodybuilder, at some point, became infatuated with the human body and went down that deep, deep rabbit hole.

Garry:  Yeah, I think that in life, there are things that are going to happen to you, and those things you can either transmute them into a learning or you can actually blame life and blame everything else.  I just decided to transmute that event into a learning environment for myself, and I went from place to place and from person to person.  And I'm going to give a lot of credit to somebody who taught me a lot about neurology and how the body works because the one therapy that started to get me out of pain was a neuromuscular therapy by my old partner, Dr. David Rubenstein.  And this guy was literally a genius.  He had figured out a way to use motion, and he's working on Olympic athletes and he figured out a way to use motion to actually stimulate cerebellum function to correct the mechanical aspects of the body.  In this particular time, we were so interested in doing this.  His therapy was the first one that got me functional.

Ben:  So he was the first guy you came across as you were travelling the globe who actually was able to fix some of the things going on with you? Dr. David Rubenstein?

Garry:  Yeah, and what do you do when that happens? Well I did what anybody would do.  I looked in and said he was older than me, he's one guy.  Most likely, and no offense, he's probably gonna pass before I do.  I need this therapy for the rest of my life, so we need to duplicate this.  So what we did was we went on a mission to duplicate it.  We opened up two clinics, the Rubenstein Centers in Orange County and in Beverly Hills, and that was the start.  It was the start of the process, and he had a couple of peer-reviewed papers.  International peer-reviewed papers that talked about the brain and how the neurokinetic sequences in the brain and how it was impacted, and what I spent was the next four years of my life building the Rubenstein Centers and defending a science.

So that was a PhD level education.  He was a PhD in Medical Science, Kinesiology and Pain Management.  So that's really where I started to put things together, but that therapy got me out of pain and made me functional, but every two or three or four days, I needed to do something again in order to just keep myself balanced and that wasn't good enough for me.  For me, a life is not a life if you have to continually go back and do something.

Ben:  Right, if you have to go to a chiropractor every week for twelve weeks, whatever.

Garry:  That's not life, and I got to a point that I remember wanting to leave and go on a little bit of a trip, and I felt myself getting anxious and nervous 'cause I'm away from my therapy.  I'm panicking because I'm leaving and then I'm going to go on pain.

Ben:  That same thing happens to me.  I have my body work tools at home and then my vibrating foamer and then I'll pack up, and I'll go hit the road to race and speak and travel for a couple of weeks.  I'm like what's going to happen with my body? When I come back home have to go double time and fix everything that was wrong when I was travelling.

Garry:  And that's what we all do, so that lead me on a quest, and at that point, we started to look at the reason why this therapy, which is now called the Rubenstein method, why it didn't keep me out of pain.  And it was because of structural imbalances actually still controlled by the brain, and the structural imbalances basically were robbing my body.  I would get up and walk and be perfect, but because of structural imbalanced, my body would degrade.  And over a couple of days, I'd be back to where I was.  Not exactly, but not through the way I needed to feel.  So we went every day after our work, and we went to my garage.  And that's Human Garage, and we started practicing and we had discovery about the body.

Ben:  We being you and Dr. Rubenstein?

Garry:  No, at that time it was a partner, his name's Joseph Gonzales, and I'll give credit to him for this, we actually were working on trying to figure out a way for me to understand why my body couldn't take the therapy and walk away and come back in three or four months and feel good.

And so we found a couple of things about how the body interacted and it contradicted what is typically talked about in normal medicine or sports medicine or science.  And that lead to a whole series of discoveries, and for eighteen months we spent five to seven hours a day in the garage trying to figure things out.  We developed the protocol after eighteen months after a series of discoveries, and at one point it was funny because our first employee is Sarah Uric and her boyfriend and at the time they walked by the garage and they asked what we're doing, and he said this looks like it can help me.  My back surgery, so we took him as our first client, and then he told a few people who told a few people, and within six months, people a month were coming to this garage, and then we moved into that 900 square foot apartment.  I swear this could only happen in Venice 'cause no place else in the world would you give business people, mainstream celebrities coming through a 900 square foot apartment in Venice for a therapy.

So we didn't have any marketing, no letter head, didn't have a name, no phone number.  All we had at that time was the therapy and the place to do it, and we just started working on people.  We're there for eighteen months, and we'd go from 6 AM to 10 PM.  The great part about that was my commute was three and a half seconds.

Ben:  Wow, amazing.

Garry:  My bedroom?

Ben:  Exactly, just get out of your underwear and put some clothes on.

Garry:  Oh we had a couple of times where the alarm didn't go off, and at 5:55 in the morning, somebody's knocking at the door.  Woah!

Ben:  Right, they're in the bathroom doing therapy.  Now when I walked in here for the first time, it's like this room.  You feel like you walked into a club, right? This pounding not stressful but laid back deep house music, and people in all these different beds and there's grunts and groans, and some people are, not to make The Human Garage sound bad, but they're crying and having emotional releases, and you’ve got all these body work tools and four practitioners working on one person.  These things I've never seen before, so what I like to delve into is what this system that you've developed actually is, and why do you put all these little pieces.

Over here on our left, and if you're watching this on Facebook live or on video which you can also access when you go to bengreenfieldfitness.com/humangarage, you got your whole alignment protocol or your mind-body repair alignment protocol, and you have phase one being biomechanical.  Unwind and balance then you move on to biochemical stabilization, maintenance and development.  Walk me through to what this system actually is and how it works.  And as you do so, by the way, I'd love for you to weave in some of the things you told me about how this not only fixed your back but also somehow fixed your digestive system, and these bloating and gas, and ileocecal valve issues that you were having 'cause I found that part of what you talked about fascinating as far as your own personal story, what you found there.

Garry:  Sure.  So it starts off in me maybe the best ways is actually to show you a graphic of exactly what we do.  I don't know, what's the best way for people to see this?

Ben:  So basically if you're on Facebook live right now, I'll hold this up for you.  Otherwise, you'll see this in the video if you visit the show notes, and I will also embed this in the show notes, so go ahead Gary.

Garry:  So basically, what is the goal? The goal is pain free motion? In the situation of pain free motion, what we're looking for is we're looking for our body to just move and feel free, so what we start off with is we start off with an unwinding process which is it looks like and it feels like at first, like some sort of trigger point therapy.  What's different between body work and alignment work is body work is me aggressively telling your body what I want to do.  Alignment work is me creating a series of logical problems that your body can solve.  For example, your body is the one that controls and your brain controls all of the function of your muscles, and there's trillions of calculations that make this happen.  Your body knows better and your brain knows better how to fix this and I do.  It just needs a little stimulation in the right way.  We'll go back into this, but what that leads to another conversation is why this happened in the first place is where we're going to get into some of the gut issues.

So what we start off with is we walk people through, and as they come in, we take pictures, and we do analysis, and the cool part about that is we want people to understand everything about their body.  The time that people leave here, and if they even care a little bit, they know more than their physical therapist and their chiropractors and their trainers how their body works for them.  That's what we want to do, we want to reeducate them with their body.  So we start off with this unwinding process, and you've seen it.  I mean you're posting some of your own pictures and we're going to do some more of your realignment, and that first session…

Ben:  Oh the very first time, I was here two months ago.  I showed my wife and she was shocked.  I came home and she could see my…  So you had rubber gloves on, and you were inside my mouth, tears in my eyes as I cried, and my children are standing there.  Dad are you okay? And you got your fingers inside my jaw, just adjusting a whole bunch of things in my jaw to actually affect that point some pain that I was having in my back.  You fixed my back by going in through my jaw, but then we did a before and after photo 'cause you do before and after photos on everyone.  When I came in, you did this full graph analysis with your iPad, and my entire facial structure was changed.

Garry:  That's right.

Ben:  Like a more square jaw and more aligned eyes, it was crazy.

Garry:  Yeah, so alignment is not just the body.

Ben:  I became a supermodel, and to tell you.

Garry:  You were doing the catwalk here earlier.

Ben:  Doing that at the same time, yeah the cat walk.

Garry:  Yeah, so just you guys missed this.  He was doing the cat walk and he had the whole turn.

Ben:  Well every time that Gary aligns you or one of his team members here aligns you, they have you walk so that this pattern becomes cemented in your brain, and I turned it into a cat walk, but it's very interesting every time you adjust someone and you work on something, we get up, we walk, get back on the table.  You're watching, you're observing and you get back on the table unless that's part of this process, but we digress, but go ahead.

Garry:  No, but that's okay because the walking is what integrate things.  First of all as we look at key points, a lot of people have hip issues, they have shoulder issues and neck issues, and we're just generally tight.  We're just compressing and the average person comes in here, it's funny because we ask them what their height is and then we measure it.  Ninety percent of the time, they're an inch and a half shorter than what they thought they were, and why is that? Because over time, compression…

Ben:  This is true, the last time I was measured, I was told I was six-two and a half.  I came in, you measured me, and I was six-one.

Garry:  Yeah, but after the treatment, that very first treatment, just the consultation, you got a half an inch in that forty five minutes that we we're working together.  And so what it is is about structure alignment, posture.

Ben:  It's like a penis pump for your whole body.

Garry:  Yeah, exactly.

Ben:  You can add that as your slogan.

Garry:  Too much information.  So the idea is that what we want in every situation is we want people's alignment to be back in place, but what constitutes alignment and why is it important? So we're biomechanical beings, we're taught that, for example, one of the things that we looked at as part of a development of a therapy was really simply that there was things that were missing in the discussion about how mechanics work and how alignment works.  So the biggest one that was missing was we have never accounted properly for gravity or atmospheric pressure when we talk about functional, structural working, muscle-functioning body.  For example, you know that your quad's antagonist is your hamstring, right?

Ben:  Right.

Garry:  That's true, but when I stand up, that changes, and why does that change? Because gravity changes the effect of that.  So what happens is really my calves, my quads, my glutes, my pecs and my traps and my forward-backward stabilizers, and they get information the way my brain knows which muscles to fire and keep me stabilized is the ratio between my scapula and my knee and my patella.  Those two things change a firing.  So again, we show everybody, so what happens here is we're just going to stand here.  I'm going to roll your shoulders back, and watch where your gravity goes on your feet.  You go back in to your heels.

Ben:  Right, in my heels.

Garry:  Right, so what happens is because the scapula's relationship to the patella changes, what happens is your brain starts firing a new sequence of muscles to adapt to it.  Remember the job of the brain is to evaluate the internal and external environment and adapt us to those environments.  And the other one is there's five floating bones in the body, the other one's a highlight which is left…

Ben:  Floating bones…

Garry:  Yeah, and your high hold tells you which way to go, left or right, and those things are really important.  So structural alignment is for posture and movement, but it also has a lot of other things.  Now we've never considered gravity, and we've never considered atmospheric pressure.  Right now, there's two thousand pounds of pressure pushing on you.  Sea level, scientific fact, and that means we have two thousand pounds of pressure pushing out, bare statement right?

Ben:  Right.

Garry:  ‘Cause if we didn't, we would implode or explode if there was more, and what happens is the body has pressure, and we move pressure through the body, and we think of the body is biomechanical, but I'm going to tell you it's not the way that we think it is.  The body, it's the movement of pressure.  We have approximately six hundred and ninety muscles, and nobody can agree.

Ben:  Right, we just found a new one right? Like in the thigh somewhere, they just discovered a new muscle.

Garry:  Right, so let's just say this that every single muscle has to balance against every single muscle.  There's three hundred and fifty muscles approximately from the neck up and three hundred forty from the neck down, and all those muscles are constantly talking to each other in conjunction with the brain to keep us balanced.  And so if I was to remove the pressure, we talk about blood pressure, right? And what it does.  We won't pressure your heart, but nobody's talking about pressure in the organs.  Nobody is.  So if you put pressure in your muscles, so let's do a bicep curl.  Go ahead.

Ben:  Curling against resistance.

Garry:  So now what I'm going to do is I'm going to restrict the muscle.  Go ahead.  No force.

Ben:  So you just use your hand, you're putting pressure on my bicep, so as you're listening and I can't produce any force.  You're squeezing the bicep?

Garry:  That's works for everything in the body.  That also works for all of the organs in the body as well.  And we get a lot of build up in pressure here, and we just had a discovery in the last three weeks that has changed everything we knew about the body.

Ben:  Okay, tell me what that discovery is.  Don't leave us hanging.  Do you want any ketones by the way?

Garry:  I want ketones.

Ben:  Okay, take a sip.  Black cherry ketones, baby.  Amazing, rocket fuel for your brain.

Garry:  Yeah, of course.  The V8 keel fuel.

Ben:  This podcast is brought to you by.  Okay, so this discovery that you just made in the past three weeks.

Garry:  So we've always known that pressure affects, and we think about a pump and a body.  We exercise, we get pump in the muscle.  Blood pressure in the muscle, that's exactly what a pump is, but we're not thinking about how the pressure builds up on here.  We were designed to do two things as human beings that we don't do anymore.  We were designed squat and walk.  In LA, we don't walk very much.  I know you do, but in LA we don't.

Ben:  My favorite thing to do when I visit cities.  Most of my workouts, I'm just walking to my appointments.

Garry:  Right.  “Cause we’re designed to walk ten to twelve miles a day, and we just don't do it anymore, and as a result, if you go to New York, they have 40% less back pain, neck pain, knee surgeries, foot surgeries.  They walk throughout the day.

Ben:  Lower postprandial blood glucose in places like Japan? Again that concept of stopping eating when you're eighty percent full and then walking.  I think it's even fifteen minutes based on a research from a couple of years ago to lower postprandial glucose.

Garry:  So the other part two is we're designed to squat, and we're talking about squatting.

Ben:  Now, you squat four to six hours a day you told me? So as you're walking, and we're going to disappear from the video probably back around the table, but basically you squat in this position.  Where I'm in now like a hunter gatherer, roasting s'mores over the fire, squat position, and you just do this all day?

Garry:  Yeah, absolutely.  So I squat when you see me when I'm working and when I don't squat, and so I'm always squatting throughout the day.  Because we did a podcast with Mike.

Ben:  The Barbell Shrug guys.

Garry:  And because of that, we have clients coming in from all over the world.  Japan, UK.

Ben:  I mean the same thing is going to happen after this podcast because I guarantee you that for those of you listening in right now, you have to go.  If you have a body, you just have to come.  I mean anyway, I don't want to make it sound like an infomercial, go ahead with the squat and pressure.  So explain to me why the squatting and the walking ha to do with the pressure?

Garry:  Well, let's talk about what squatting does.  Okay, so squatting actually puts a load of curve.  A back curve spine puts a cervical curve in the spine.  It actually opens up and perfectly stretches your hips.  Our hips are a center of motion.

Ben:  Feels really good.

Garry:  It does, doesn't it?  So our hips are our center of motion.

Ben:  I'm planning on taking a dump right here, that's the only problem.  It's also a dump in the woods pose.

Garry:  Yeah, it's exactly it, but what happens is when we squat, we perfectly balance stretch the hips, and that's the perfect stretch for the hips.  And you know squatty pottys’ are becoming really popular now.  We use one for sure, but what squatting does is actually a couple of things happen.  It forces diaphragmatic breathing.  You cannot breathe with your chest and shoulders when you're squatting, and sixty percent of our lymph nodes are right underneath our diaphragm, and ninety nine percent of the population does not diaphragmatically breathe without intention.  So I mean you should be diaphragmatically breathing all day long.

Ben:  So it's all chest tension with tight abs, abdominal tension, and pressure on the digestive organs when you're not walking, when you're not squatting, when you're holding this pressure in and this tension.

Garry:  Absolutely, and the other thing that happens when we squat is we relax our shoulders, we relax our neck, it relaxes our jaw.  The process of squatting actually, and one thing we discovered just recently, is the other part about squatting is when you squat you feel a little bit of pressure around here initially.

Ben:  Sure, yeah.  Up around here beyond your chest and your lats area.

Garry:  Yeah, so I'm going to show you a picture of a diaphragm, and we can put this in the show notes.  Can I grab a picture of a diaphragm guys? So we use apps to explain everything that we know.

Ben:  Right, you have these amazing anatomy apps.  You've been walking me through on your iPad where as you're working on me, you can pull up any section of the human body.  It's like a pop-up book for the body.

Garry:  Yeah, so what we're going to do is maybe you want to show this?

Ben:  Yeah, let's go ahead and stand.  Since this is horrible for Facebook live, so we just disappear back around the table when we squat even if it feels really good.  Okay, so go ahead.

Garry:  Has your phone dropped down over there?

Ben:  Oh yeah, we can fix that too.  This mustn't just happen.  So go ahead keep talking as I fix the phone here.

Garry:  So what we're going to do is we're going to show you the diaphragm, and we're going to show you exactly what happens with the diaphragm and how it works.  So the diaphragm is our primary sense of breathing.  Yes that's it.  And so what happens here when we look at the diaphragm.  In here, you see these attachments right here?

Ben:  Right.

Garry:  This is where the esophagus comes down and then also you got the arteries come down there, but the diaphragm is a big suction cup.  What dawned on me was there's something else about the diaphragm.

Ben:  Holding all the organs in 'cause I hunt, and when I field dress a deer or an animal out in the field, you have to cut through all the little sections of the diaphragm to get the organs to release.  You can literally, as gross as this may be, especially for any of you vegans listening in so you can dump all of the organs out of the body and I'll harvest the kidney and the liver and the heart and take those home and eat them, but a lot of the stuff you're just dumping out and getting rid of, but none of it comes out unless you relieve the pressure from the diaphragm.

Garry:  So up in there where we add the connective tissue and I never looked at it this way, there's a little valve around every entrance in the diaphragm and that's like a pressure valve at the very top of it.  So when you squat, what happens is as you come down, it starts to push the pressure of the pelvic floor, starts to push the pressure up.  Now let me tell you how I figured this out, and it was really wild.  It was my wife who helped me through this one.  This is a crazy experience because we were talking about how pressure affects all the organs, and in science we know that different organs have association with different emotions.  Like your livers are with anger, kidneys are with sadness and adrenos with fear.  So think about the order of organs, it's really the liver's the first line of defense, and then you got the kidneys right above that, and on top of that, you got the adrenals.

So she was coming up to her cycle.  She was laying down on the table, and she says honey, I'm sad.  And I just had the intuition to go over and relieve 'cause we've been doing this for mechanical reasons for a lot of times.  And I just push it like this gently.

Ben:  Right.  Just against her diaphragm.

Garry:  About five through about the tummy, and it took about seven minutes and it just let the air flow its way up to the body.  Now we've been doing this for a long time without understanding what we were doing.  And what happened is she got up and she went that's weird, I'm not sad anymore, and that's where everything changed.  I realized that we talk about pressure on the heart.  You want pressure on the heart, but what about pressure on your liver.

Ben:  Yeah!

Garry:  So if you actually remove the pressure from the liver and the GI tract, all the food moving through there, and one of the biggest problems we have is gastrointestinal problems, and you think about this right now.

Ben:  Gas bloating, constipation, diarrhea, you were dealing with a lot of these things as you were going through the same back and fascial issue?

Garry:  I didn't associate the two at the time, so think about this.  The three biggest issues in America.  Back pain, neck pain, bloating.  And we found two sources of bloating.  One of them are distension let’s call it 'cause we don't know if it’s really bloating sometimes.  So from the belly button down, often it's the mechanical twerking of the hips, and my hips used to angularly rotate which most people do.  And so I would stand up and it was the adductor minimus was pulling that sucker back.  And as I would stand up, I would go like this and would extend my lower belly.  I remember standing in the shower, I hadn't eaten anything all day long, and my lower belly suspended every day of my life until six months ago.

Ben:  You had bloating even though you haven't eaten, that was all related to mechanical issues.

Garry:  Let's call it distension.

Ben:  Distension, gotcha.

Garry:  Yeah, 'cause bloating is different, and so I didn't know the difference.  So distension at my lower belly, I used to look at that, and it'd be what this is?  I in the shower, I push my belly in, and I could feel my back release.  That was weird, but I just didn't quite get it at the time, it wasn't making sense, so we figured out six months ago that if we were to simply reduce the adductor minimus which is right here, and I'd make a graph of that to show you.  If once we relieve the pain from that, you'll see that actually starts to rotate the hips back, and the distension stops in the lower belly for the first time in a while.

Ben:  Was that one of the things you worked on me today?  Was it my adductor minimus?

Garry:  That's exactly it, last night.

Ben:  Yeah, last night.  It's one big blur.

Garry:  And what you felt is you felt a pain in your toe and in your bladder area.

Ben:  Right.  In my bladder area.  And the crazy thing is, and we'll get into this when we have time for this podcast.  I didn’t just feel it, the four other people working on me felt it in their stomachs.  We got a whole different rabbit hole to get into there, but keep going with the pressure idea.

Garry:  What you're talking about is tuning in, we'll talk about that.  That's our special sauce, that's how we know how to help people.

Ben:  Yeah. You’ve married a lot of Eastern Chi and medicine concepts into this whole practice.  I think it was way cool, but go ahead with the adductor minimus.

Garry:  So this is the adductor minimus, and this is in your show notes.  It's a little hard to show on the thing.

Ben:  Yeah, we'll show on the show notes.

Garry:  So what happens is in the adductor minimus, you see how it goes from the front of the hip there? Right up there.  And it goes right attaches right…

Ben:  Front of the hip, into the femur.

Garry:  Right underneath the glute attachment.  If I take it out and show you where it is, that's where it is.  If I add glutes to it?

Ben:  By the way, what is this software program you're using?

Garry:  It's Essential Anatomy.  We use all of these programs to show our clients exactly what's going on because we want them to understand.  So what I'm going to do is I'm going to show you the adductor minimus, and I'm going to isolate this again.  Do we got this on camera?

Ben:  Yeah.

Garry:  Okay good, so what I'm going to do is I'm going to isolate this, and when I isolate this, Ben.  Look at this.  This is the crazy part, this is the best part of it all.  I'm going to show you the posterior view, so I'm going to wrap around here and I'm going to take a pen out here and show you.  So when this guy tightens up here, what it does is it causes the hips to have that kind of action.

Ben:  So the adductor minimus tightens up and rotates that hip forward?

Garry:  And it's this action here.

Ben:  Right.  I have a ton of them, you can see that when I run.

Garry:  Right, I was watching you race and that's what you’re going to do.

Ben:  And not just me by the way, you see this in like hundreds of athletes who I see over at these races.  They also run up that hip a little bit.  I little bit of the trough in the gate, the foot turns out.

Garry:  Sure, so what happens is that when it tightens up, it forces this anterior tilt of the hip, and you need two and these come in.  Look in a lot of women, they have their knees come in the center. And the reason why that is and wear heels, and we're wearing heels so it puts it up.  That's the motion of the heel.  The other thing is when we sit in chairs, it gets tight.  And so we stand up, it causes an anterior tilt of the pelvis, and what our body naturally does to stand up is we force it up like this, and that's where all the pressure happens, and so my lower gut distension was nothing to do with food.  I went on every elimination diet for twenty years.

Ben:  Which lot of people do? It's supplements and diets and what you're saying is that in many cases, gut issues are mechanical.

Garry:  Well then, distension issues are mechanical, and then we get distension from the belly button up.  Typically it's a backup from the small intestines.

Ben:  Like small intestine bacterial overgrowth?

Garry:  Yeah, SIBO or anything like that.  So what happens is we started figuring out this whole body here, this whole cavity, is really a big pressure vessel, and the pressure needs to be relieved, and since we don't squat, we don't relieve it anymore.  We don't have a natural mechanism for real, and we did on you yesterday is we went in there.  It took us thirty minutes to actually move all of the gas and all of the issues out of the small intestine.

Ben:  You were basically doing deep, deep work on my adductor minimus and my ileocecal valve in that right side of the belly button.

Garry:  And pushing all of the bacteria.  We think of the organs as standing there, but it's a valve that's inside of a sausage case.  So as the sausage case turns, the valve is susceptible to being stuck to open and close.  If it gets stuck close, we feel distension from the belly button up, and that distension comes with a little bit of heightened breath, like a little bit of anxiety at the top of the breath at hard breathing.  And that's how I knew it was happening.  Then in addition to that, what it does is it starts to internally rotate the femur and externally rotate the left one, and then the tilt side on the left one goes internal and on the right one goes external, and that rotation causes my shoulders to rotate in.  And then the pressures from this shoulder into this hip.  So we started realizing all this pressure down in this part of the body, and as you saw yesterday, we actually unlocked your hip.  It was a crazy experience.

Ben:  Now the weird thing is you start with this biomechanical adjustment, analysis work, deep tissue therapy, walking it off, all these different things, but what I found was very interesting, and I want to delve into this before we turn to some of the biochemical things you do and some of the other things you work on the practice is first of all, a few rapid fire questions here.  It wasn't just you working on me.

Garry:  No, there were four people working on you.

Ben:  Four people, why? Doesn't seem very sustainable for a business standpoint by the way.

Garry:  Well, so we actually found a way to make it sustainable.  So basically there's always one motion mechanic.  We call ourselves motion mechanics because we evaluate and repair motion.  So we always have one motion mechanic and we always have one assistant, but for different parts of the treatment, the assistants will all converge in to help one person and then they'll move to another person, another person.  So there's certain points in time, and what you notice is what we're working on your quad here, and you had Jordan take and go like this on your jaw.

Ben:  Right, there's like people stroking different parts of my body, not in the way that you would find in a Thai massage parlor.  One person's going clockwise on my stomach, the other person's stroking my jaw, another person's stroking my arm, and then you’ve got one person you call your motion mechanic?

Garry:  I am the motion mechanic.

Ben:  You are the motion mechanic, and you got one person doing the actual deep tissue, the teeth grinding.

Garry:  So that the motion mechanic is the one that's actually delivering the therapy and the alignment protocol, and the assistants are there to move the fascia around in different parts.  But sometimes we're working on your quad and touching up on your shoulders.  Since we go like that, the quad releases.

Ben:  Right, so you just stroke the fascia across the shoulder, the quad releases.  Why?

Garry:  Well because it's really about fascia, and the fascia is organizing stuff.  Think about fascia, it's both the same chemical composition as a quartz crystal.  It can crystallize, it has the same strength as tense steel.

Ben:  What do you mean can crystallize?

Garry:  Well with fascia, it actually crystallizes and lines a force.  You'll feel it.  Fascia is what supports our structure.  Our muscles don't.  Fascia is the one that actually creates the structure.  So if you have an injury in your hip, what'll happen is the fascia will tighten up between the rib and the hip to give you leverage, like shorten the muscles so you can walk easier.  And that fascia's always moving and changing.  As a matter of fact if I lean over like this and you're sensitive enough, what I'll start to feel is I'll feel the rotational flow in the fascia twerking this way to help give me leverage, so I don't fall over.  It's amazing how the body works.

Ben:  Now the fascia also, you told me this, and this relates the body being the brain versus the brain being the brain.  You said the fascia has a hundred trillion cells versus the brain you said it has a hundred billion.  Why is that important in terms of cellular communication or body communication?

Garry:   Well let's talk about organic density.  The more organically dense something is, the more valuable it is to equally structure the body.  So the brain and the gut have a hundred billion cells.  Intrinsic, extrinsic nervous system.

Ben:  So that's basically your enteric nervous system, a hundred billion cells.

Garry:  Right, and when a fetus is born, it actually…

Ben:  Oh yes, so your central and enteric nervous system.

Garry:  That's right, so when a fetus is born, nobody can tell initially which end of the two nerve clusters is going to be the brain or the gut, and we know that.  It's a well-documented fact, but what we're not really thinking about is fascia.  Do you know fascia is the only thing that cannot be removed from the human body? I can cut out every nerve, I can cut out every bone, and I can cut every muscle.  I can take every piece of hair off your body, but I can't remove fascia.  Fascia is inside the muscle belly, fascia is around the muscle, fascia goes through the heart, through the brain.  It's everywhere in the body.  We're inextricably linked to fascia, and it has a hundred trillion cells.  In organic density, it's a thousand times more dense than the brain, so in our view, that's what's controlling the body and that's what connects it.  So what you saw, and this is what we talked about.  We use a process called tuning in, so the same way we know how to work on your body, you find there's no protocol, you find it's going all over the body.

Ben:  Well this is the next thing I wanted to ask you after asking why people are stroking the fascia, so we know fascia has all of these cells.  It's the method of which the body communicates.  You told me about the speed of light, or faster than the speed of light.

Garry:  So in the nervous system, the signal travels roughly around the speed of sound, but in the fascial network, it travels beyond our ability to measure it.  So if you clench your right jaw, you'll feel that in your right foot.  Clench your right jaw, you'll feel it in the right foot, instantative.

Ben:  Yeah, it’s crazy.  Try this if you're listening in.  Clench right jaw, you can feel it in your right foot.  It's crazy.

Garry:  Yeah, so fascia is signaling the body always.  It's always telling us what to do, and its feeding information to the command center which is the brain which is adapting all the other part of the body to that experience.  Remember the job of the brain is to evaluate the internal and the external environments of the body and adapt us to those environments simply.

Ben:  Okay, got it.

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Ben:  So in addition to having all these practitioners working on me, now we get to the tuning in part that you talk about because you didn't necessarily do x-rays or MRIs on me when you came in.  You started doing things that I have more experienced with some of the things that some other people find to be a little bit woo like muscle testing or what they called applied kinesiology.  This other idea where whatever, you'll hold a supplement in your hand and say I’m allergic to this or should I take this or should I not take this.  So as you're working on me, you're actually audibly asking questions.  Like as you're working on my hip, you're like right hip, how much longer?

Gary:  And I'm verifying with my assistant.

Ben:  So what is that? What were you doing?

Garry:  So what we do is we tune into the body and applied kinesiology is the best way.  They call it muscle testing, but you don't have to test it.  We're not testing muscle strength.  So what we're doing is we're asking the body a question, and you witnessed it, you experienced it, right?

Ben:  Oh, I absolutely, like you would say, right butt or whatever, after I was even thinking I'm feeling what they're doing right now.  Inn my right butt, I feel like that needs to be released, and all of a sudden you're like right butt needs to be real, and you're on it.  It's creepy.

Garry:  What we also did is every time somebody connects with you, we call it connecting.  We have a motion and process of doing that.  Every time we connect to you, you can feel the individual person connect to you in a different way.  So I introduced you to everybody who was touching you.

Ben:  Now walk me through that we did 'cause that was just two hours ago laying on that table across from us.  Walk me through what you experienced, so four people standing around me.

Garry:  So we have a way of doing this, I'm not going to show this for obvious reasons ‘cause it’s our…

Ben:  Right, you're taking.  By the way, a lot of what you're doing, you're basically going to be licensing this.  So by the way if you're listening in and you're a practitioner or a fitness professional, this is the kind of stuff that you need to learn.

Garry:  Yeah, so basically we have a methodology of touching the body.  When you do it, and you felt all the people working around you, you felt that Dr. Luke has an example, and he's our full motion chiropractor which is not different from chiropractor.

Ben:  I'd never had chiropractic the way that Dr. Luke was doing.  I haven't seen three hundred chiropractors like you've had but I've seen a lot of them 'cause I speak at a lot of these chiropractic conventions and people come up and want to do adjustments and treatments on me.  His stuff was a lot different.

Garry:  It is a lot different.  So what happened is, and I'll talk about that in a little bit too.  What I did is I had him disconnect from you, and when he connected to you, you could feel the contrast.

Ben:  Right, you had not touch me, and then he put both his hands on me and I could feel his energy, and there's a unique signature.

Garry:  Yeah, and then I had Jordan disconnect from you and then touch you again, you feel his.

Ben:  And I felt him, I think it was in my stomach.  I felt Dr. Luke.  I think it was my jaw and the back of my head.

Garry:  And George who owns Cure Ecology Labs, the labs that we're going to talk about.  I had him there and that was his first experience.  So he is not a practitioner, he has never done this before.  He'd actually never seen it, I had him help us.  So it's not that we have to have this after.

Ben:  And he was getting freaked out 'cause he had his hands on me.  As you were working on me, and I was feeling all this discomfort on my right shoulder as you're working on my hip, and George is like, right shoulder is hurting so bad right now.  I'll kill my right shoulder, and holy cow.  He's feeling what I'm feeling, and I know for some of you, you got a big eyebrow raiser and it sound weird, but you have to experience this.

Garry:  But it's experiential, and so what is when we tune in, we can feel everything on your body.  So when I feel sensation here, that's where I'm either releasing or touching, and since I do that the muscle releases right away, and what we're just doing is communicating.  The fascia has a language.  You know when someone walks into the room, and they walk in the room, and you can feel they are angry or frustrated or nervous or anxious or something like that, and you can feel it? What is that connection?

Ben:  I always thought it was the heart's electromagnetic field 'cause you talk about the heart math and now the heart's magnetic field emanates fifteen feet off of the body and feels people's energy.

Garry:  Listen, I have a lot of respect for heart math.  I just don't think the heart is in charge.  That's not my personal view.

Ben:  You think what you're feeling instead is the fascia, the actual electrical communication within someone else's fascia?

Garry:  Yeah, absolutely, and that's what we feel.  Now the thing is these signals are going all over the time, twenty four hours a day without us even really knowing anything about it because we don't really know how it feels like.  But as soon as I isolate the experience and then I give you the contrast, then you know what it feels like.  And the best way I can see it, it's like seeing a dotted picture.  You know those pictures with all the dots, and then you can see the picture to the dots?

Ben:  Those 3D pictures that piss me off, it takes me way longer than I think it shows.

Garry:  Once you've seen it, you can't unsee it.  So once I've identified and taught you how to do it like George, his first time.  So you don't have to be this master that studies for twenty five, thirty years.  You can actually learn how to do it right away and start helping people, that was the difference.  You know in human beings, we want to make everything a process.  We want people to have time and lineage in order to help you.  For example, the philosophy of Human Garage.  This is all new science, and instead of publishing it right now, we're delivering it.

Ben:  And this biomechanical treatment that you do, from what I understand, I flew down here to spend three days with you.  So normally someone would do a handful of sessions to set everything straight.  It's around six or so that someone would do?

Garry:  Eighty five percent of the people fit within the normal protocol.  Six sessions to align the body, and then what we do is we move over to neurological and proprioceptive rehabilitation.

Ben:  Okay, I want to talk about neurological and proprioceptive in a moment here, and I actually we're going to do a demo of neurological here as we're recording, but before we turn into that.  You mentioned George, and what's the name of his labs?

Garry:  Cure Ecology Labs.

Ben:  Cure Ecology, so how are you marrying the biomechanical to the biochemical?

Garry:  So this is actually back to this model here, right? The goal is pain-free, full range of motion.  So we have a motion mechanic that evaluates your walking.

Ben:  That's all the muscle release, the alignment, the fascial work.

Garry:  And that's the magic.  If that doesn't happen, all of the rest of it.  It still works, but it doesn't work as well.  And then what we did is we come over here, and we go to a full motion chiropractic which you experienced with Dr. Luke, and that is no other chiropractic experience you've ever had and I know that.  And so what he spent is months in here looking at our style.  He was just open enough, not trying to do it his way.  He adapted what he did to our style and it just happened to work, and now we're going to teach it.  And then we move over to our progression specialist, and a progression specialist is a combination between a personal trainer, a PT and a neurologist, and they're combining all those attributes in order to stabilize the body.  ‘Cause once I realign the body, it's the patterns of socialization of the body that fires those muscles.  So if I've been like this for ten years and I worked out like that, my body know that that is…

Ben:  And when you say like this, what you just did is you dropped your right shoulder and your left shoulder up.  A lot of people like this, it's a really common one.  Actually left shoulder up is the most common in America.  If I'm like this and if I pattern all my muscles to fire like this, then what happens is if I change the structure, my brain still remembers the old way of firing the muscles, so we have to reprogram the neurology.  Otherwise, you're coming back over and over again.

Garry:  Otherwise, it's like walking out of a massage where everything feels good then you revert back to your old patterns.

Ben:  Exactly, and that's the problem.  That was my problem, I wasn't interested in doing something two or three times a week.  It's funny 'cause the first time in my entire life, I have gone since November without any body work, and I've been working with Dr. Luke.  We've been on this experimental process.  

Ben:  And you were getting body work?

Garry:  Twice a week.

Ben:  Yeah, all the time, just stay put together.

Garry:  My whole life, yeah, and my work is very, very physical and lots of weird angles.

Ben:  I don't want to give anybody the wrong impression.  I was crying earlier today, I had tears rolling down my eyes.  There's people screaming in here, and part of that as you explained to me, and I felt this, is an emotional release.  Not just physical pain which is interesting.  I find that fascinating that I have all these, well you explained it pretty well.  You can build up traumas in fascia.

Garry:  Well we've build up trauma, let’s just say again, what we said is that trauma is stored in the fascia, and so trauma is subconscious.  So without really going that far, we're going to say your body's your subconscious and your brain is your consciousness, and that's the duality that we have.  It's the subconscious and the patterns of routines.  We have to change that because if we don't you're going to go out and your motion patterns are going to actually put you back into the same spot you were.  Because all the problems in this hip was all based upon what was already happening and had been going on for a long time.  This didn't happen over time.

Ben:  Referring to my hip?

Garry:  Yeah, and so we start to find patterns in people.  We have people now coming from Japan and the UK, and I had this belief almost anybody in the United States actually leans slightly to the right off of their center of axis.  And so I noticed that, so it was almost anybody.  I thought that's really weird.  Then we had some people coming from the UK, and I had a theory that in the UK they would actually lean to the left.  That sounds funny, but that's actually the truth, okay?

So what happens is you think about we're a right dominant society.  Everything that we have is on the right.  We drive on the road, we look at all the buildings on the right, we walk in the right side of the road.  Always turning up, so a million times in our life we're going like this, and eventually the body makes it easy to do that.  So most people if you turn your head to the right and you turn it to the left, you're going to be more restricted on the left.  Unless you have an injury or something else that superseded this.  And so when I start having people come from the UK for alignment and people coming from Japan and places like that, we started noticing that they were all leaning to the left because they drive on the opposite side of the road.

So this is all about socialization, patterns that are built up in the body.  So what we do is we have these three things, the motion mechanic, we have the progression specialist, the full motion chiropractic, and we even do things like language alignment.  We work with a company called Procabulary, and we're just launching a language alignment protocol.

Ben:  Procabulary?

Garry:  Yeah. Let me tell you this.  I'll show you this, this is pretty cool, and we actually have a body focus 'cause we were sending people out for massages and they're back all beat up.  Everyone didn't know what, and it's because massages hove to be done in special ways.  So we've developed a process called body flow, and body flow only touches your body in a range of motion that works for the body.  So if I go like this, this feels really good.

Ben:  Alright, you're rubbing your hand up and down my arm.

Garry:  Right, and that feels good, right? And then what happens when I go that way.

Ben:  That's kind of weird.

Garry:  It's tightening the muscle.  And in the normal massage…

Ben:  Yeah, they go in both ways.

Garry:  That's confusing to the brain and that's why in the end of it, you feel tired.  And so here, this is the stroke right here.  This would be the stroke, and that feels good, and what it does is at the end of our body flow sessions, you feel like you want to go work out.

Ben:  That's crazy.  If you're listening right now, you got to tune in and watch the video at some point too.  Amazing.

Garry:  So what happens is body flow and with biochemical wellness, and we'll get to that in a second 'cause we'll get into your actual lab work.  We tested you yesterday, and we got the lab to produce the results.  That's why George was here.  So all these things are all part of it, and to be clear about this, we have medical doctors, we have chiropractors, and we have nutritional and functional diagnostic nutritionists.  We have progression specialists which are rehabbed.  We have body flow specialists which is like a massage but a lot different, we have our motion mechanics.  We have an entire function.

Ben:  Right, so this team.  This Human Machine team.

Garry:  It's a team, but here's the difference.  And I’ve got to mention, there's three different disciplines or four different disciplines working the same office.  That's not integrated.  Integrated is we work under the same philosophy.  We're not in everybody's space.  The hardest part that we had I believe was actually aligning the philosophies of our medical doctors, our nutritionists 'cause everybody is trained up in their own belief system.

Ben:  So you had to systematize everything and then teach it.  So each of these different professionals who are here now working on each person who comes in through the door?

Garry:  And every single employees of ours that comes through here, I think 'cause we set up a bunch more, about thirty five, thirty seven.

Ben:  Employees?

Garry:  Yeah, so we just hired about twelve more, and the first thing they have to do is they have to come up to that table that you were on, and they have to assist and watch the therapy.  Everybody gets our alignment protocol, but they have to actually help, so they can see the magic themselves.  Because the experience you had today, we're explaining to people.  They trust you.

Ben:  Right, but you have to experience it too.  Okay, so before we talk about neurology because we're going to do a little demo of that, tell me about the biochemical analysis because I've done urine, organic acids and blood testing, and stool testing, and genetic testing, saliva testing, you name it.  I hadn't done this test before, so tell me about this test that you run on the people that come in here.  Saliva and urine, how it works?

Garry:  So this is about performance.  So most clinical testing, at one of the problems that I saw is that we're going to micro into the body.  We're going to deep into specifics, and we're forgetting about the big picture.  We always have to look at the big picture of things to know that to make sure that we're doing the right thing, and in this particular case here, what we're talking about is peak performance, right? And when we're talking about peak performance, we're talking about being virtually limitless, and if we're going to get there, we need all systems to function.  We discovered, first of all, that seventy five percent of our baseline stress is actually created by malfunctioning biomechanics which is also again controlled by neurology.  So we have to address that if we want the body to feel good.  Now this is your test, is it okay if I show it?

Ben:  No, I'm a closed book.  I don't want anybody to know anything about me.  No, seriously.  I think everybody listening to my podcasts probably see me naked in a cold shower, so we can show this, and I'll put a download of these biochemical.  Can you send this to me so people can see what this looks like?

Garry:  Absolutely.  So some of the things that we noticed is that we do a urine saliva test, and if I was to describe what this urine and saliva test.  Maybe we'll put this in here.  Can we put this in here? In that way we can focus on it.  So what we're doing in a urine and a saliva test, and this one in particular, is we're looking at everything that comes into the body and goes out of the body, and most tests are clinical.  Clinical literally means blood, in either you're sick or not, but that's not true is it? I mean people say come all the time, and they're fifty five years old, and they're healthy their whole life and then they have cancer.  That's not true, it doesn't happen that way.  That's something that happened over decades and decades of something going on.  And so what happens is the way we look at it is simply this.  If we use sub clinical lab panels and this particular process that Cure Ecology uses helped us understand the body in a different way.  We were looking for things initially like we had people who their muscles wouldn't properly release with their fascia.  When releasing, we were trying to figure out why.  So we started testing them, and then we realized that the value of testing people in order to do alignment work is that we actually don't test.  We don't do the work unless we test people now because there are things there like if your hydration, if you're dehydrated, which basically almost every time you see a guy in a gym with a white jug, he's the dehydrator.

Ben:  Creatine?

Garry:  No this white jug of water.  If the guy's in a gym with a white jug of water, they're always dehydrated.

Ben:  Why?

Garry:  Well because you have to have sodium to balance your water.

Ben:  Oh, not absorbing the water.

Garry:  Right, and if you don't have enough sodium in as you take the water, it collects all the salt, and then you pee it out.

Ben:  Which I realize a while ago, so we're going to go woo woo again.  I sometimes will do shrooms, and I will ask my body questions or have a diary when I'm on a trip.

Garry:  That's how we do it by the way, it's asking the body questions.

Ben:  And by the way, we got to get back to how you inspired some of the things you've learned through THC and what'd you call it?  Spritz?

Garry:  So we're going to do.  My wife wants to be the national salesperson for Sprigs.

Ben:  We'll get into the Sprigs soda in a second, but this shroom strip where I took a relatively trippy dose which I'll do about every quarter, and I'll just sit there with a journal and I'll ask questions of myself, and I kept seeing visions of cracked earth and all the nature around me.  I could see cracks in the dirt.  Everything was dehydrated, my lips felt chapped, and the thing I kept writing over and over again was your body seeks water, and this was written in my journal twenty times, and I drink a lot of water.  But I got out of that experience and started really researching water.  And I started adding minerals to water and exposing the water to infrared light and structuring my water and using these salts and making what I call soul water where I'll set the water up in the sunshine with the salts in it, and all of a sudden, my body feels amazingly different when I'm drinking this good, clean, mineral-rich water even though I was drinking water before.  So you found all sorts of things on the lab results, but go ahead.

Garry:  Well let's talk about water, just really quickly.  So what happens is it's about the balance between your alkaline ions and your hydration because hydration is the water intake has to be nearing with the minerals, so the alkaline ions, especially salt.  So as I understand it, and I might not be scientific on this, but basically one molecule of H2O bonds to three molecules of sodium, and so if you don't have the sodium in your system as the water goes through your system, it collects the sodium and then you pee it out and then you don't have enough sodium to hold the water in your system anymore.  So part of it is it's about having the balance, and we tend to do things in America.

Ben:  Right, which is why drinking like Jerald Steiner is way different than drinking aqua phena?

Garry:  Yeah, so the idea is we need to watch our sodium balance, and most people don't really know, and one of the things that we learned here is that we don't recommend supplements or programs with the exception of a few.

Ben:  Like black cherry ketones? Yeah, we'll get to the other ones in a second.

Garry:  There's a few ones that help everybody in every situation, but most of the time, we don't recommend supplements unless we know.  Because not taking something that you need, and your body will find a way to get it somehow.  As you know that even in extreme circumstances, it'll convert certain proteins into glucose.  That's why ketosis is so hard to stay in.  But taking something that your body doesn't need is a hundred times worse and taking something your body doesn't need is worse than not taking that at all.

Ben:  That's the same thing as taking a bad fish oil is worse than not taking a fish oil at all.

Garry:  Yeah, because if you take something that your body doesn't need, it has a composition.  Your body is about balance.  So you know, I grew up in the world, and this is my whole life was if it's good, I'm going to do more of it, right? So if this much is good, more is gooder, and that's simply not true.

Ben:  You're giving me that Procabulary program that you were talking about.

Garry:  I'm going to show you some stuff on that too, so one of the things is to make sure that the alkaline ions and the sodium's in balance because it's about hydration in the body, and the body of the fascia carries roughly about eighty percent of the water of the body and it moves it around, and you saw that video, right? The fascia like twenty five times.

Ben:  Yup, I'll put a link to it at bengreenfieldfitness.com/humangarage.  What's the name of the video again?

Garry:  “Fascia Magnified Twenty-Five Times”, if you watched that, that's what changed my entire scope of fascia.  I've seen cadaver fascia, I've seen fascia on chicken and beef and everything else, but I'd never seen it live.  When we see it live, it's amazing.  Actually do you want to put it on video?

Ben:  I'll link to it in the show notes.

Garry:  Okay, sure.  Fair enough.  See as the fat is in the fascia, the blood vessels in the fascia, you've got the lymph nodes in the fascia.  Everything that's contained in the fascia is moving the water around.  So when the fascia doesn't have enough water, it starves and it starts to get tight, and then that's when we get immobility, and we start to get problems.  I had a client that was driving up, and he works for a nutrition company as he's driving up from Laguna Beach here for his alignment session, and we got to our sixth session, and he was working with my staff and there was no results.

His pain is still there functioning all the results, and what happened was somehow he got through our process.  We didn't quite get his test done in time as the results got delayed.  So we're three weeks into it, and he's not having anything, and that's unusual.  Tell me he doesn't have the result 'cause we have a very high success rate with helping people in mechanics, very high.  So when it doesn't happen, all hands stop, we try to figure it out.  What happened in this situation was really cool because this guy, when he came up, I looked at his lab test and he was chronically dehydrated.  In chronic dehydration, you can't just go drink and tomorrow you're good.  It takes three, four, five weeks, even three month to properly hydrate the body again.

And so what happened was I sent him away for three weeks with a hydration protocol, he came back up the next session.  Boom, we started working.  Two weeks later, came back and all the results are good, and that's what we need because the body, at nighttime, it wasn't moving and if it doesn't have the water, the fascia says ugh and starts squeezing and tightening, and that's where the compression comes from.

Ben:  What'd you find in my lab results?

Garry:  It was interesting.  There's a couple of things.  If you went and did a blood panel, this is not a blood panel.

Ben:  No, it's way different.

Garry:  So if I was to say what blood does or what normal clinical is, if I had a car analogy, since ride a garage is that's how fast your car is running.  So clinical is how fast your car is driving, sixty miles an hour.  Sub-clinical is how hard your engine's running, you’re RPM.  So this is a sub-clinical result.  So if we want to optimize your performance, we want everything to be down the green in here.

Ben:  So there's like red, yellow and green.

Garry:  Red, yellow and green.  Green on the center, yellow or red on each side.

Ben:  To show whether you're too low or two high or just right.

Garry:  Right.  And so in your particular case, first of all, nobody in LA has good adrenals.  It' very, very rare and that's part of the way that we live.  The way you live and you take care of your body.

Ben:  My adrenals are great.

Garry:  Yeah, and your oxidative stress is great.  Those are the two markers.  If you have a problem there, then we have other things, right? If there's a problem there, it's hard to fix.  Your liver's working a little bit too hard and I notice you take creatine every day.

Ben:  So I got five grams of creatine every day.

Garry:  And you're also flying and travelling and stuff like that.  So your liver was overworking, your kidney's are overworking, and so what we would do is we support those two so that they come back into the green.

Ben:  And how would you support those two, would that be with this hydration approach that you talked about.  Like milk extract or something like that.

Garry:  Well we have propriety blends that we use at the garage.  That would be a liver support and a kidney support.  This is a unique test.

Ben:  People are going to ask, so I'm just going to ask right now.  Can you tell me an example of one thing that would be a liver support and one thing that would be a kidney support?

Garry:  Well you just already said, liver support.

Ben:  Like your milk thistle extracts and diiodomethane.

Garry:  Yeah.  And we use glandulars, and from New Zealand lambs, I don’t know why New Zealand but this we did this ‘cause it’s the best lambs in the world.

Ben:  Yeah, I believe it's a type of protein.  It's like an A2 protein, and they raise very organically.  I've used thyroid glandulars before, the stuff called Thiro Gold.  Then they want to get into from New Zealand or Argentina.  Those are the two places you want to get glandular extracts.

Garry:  So we have glandular extract as part of a normal blend.  You can go into any nutrition support store, and they'll usually have them. These are different, they're practitioner brand, and almost every practitioner, there's other companies out there that have practitioner-supported products, but these are just specific to this test.  So we would support your liver and your kidneys, and you already knew this.

Ben:  Oh then kidneys, give me an example of something you would do for the kidneys.

Garry:  Well again, it's the glandular.

Ben:  Same thing.

Garry:  Yeah, with a bunch of nutraceutical.

Ben:  So if I wanted to do this completely natural, I could just start to eat more organ meats for example.

Garry:  Yeah, for sure, but most people don't go out and hunt.

Ben:  Right, harvest liver.  Or know how to make liver taste really good.  I can make liver taste like bomb or heart.  You soak in raw milk, you chop it up, you grudge it through egg, a little coconut flour, fried in butter with some onions and bacon.  It's good liver dude.

Garry:  You know, actually I'll just come and eat it with you. ‘Cause there's no way I'm going cook it.  I don't have the heart to do it.

Ben:  I'll have you hunt the animal too.  We can go to the backyard and get the chicken.

Garry:  So one of the things you already knew is your digestion is a little weak, and as a result, you don't metabolize.

Ben:  It's always been my weak spot, my digestion.

Garry:  Right, as a result, you're not properly metabolizing protein and carbohydrates.

Ben:  Wow, protein and carbs are really low.

Garry:  Right, so that affects your performance.  Now at your age, you're still paddling through that but give yourself another five to ten years and that starts to really affect the body.  So for a peak performance athlete, we need to support a little bit of liver, a little bit of kidney and support your digestion, and those two markers will move back.

Ben:  Right, more enzymes, hydrochloric acid.

Garry:  Hydrochloric acids, you can't just support with enzymes because you need the HCl to have the proper…

Ben:  Yeah.  What do you think about fasting? I had a fascinating discussion the other day with the guy I was hanging out with.

Garry:  I love fasting.

Ben:  Yeah, exactly.  He was taking, and this was the one frustrating for me as an athlete.  I don't fast as much as I know is good for me.  Whether it's dry fasting or twenty-four hour fasting 'cause I'm always competing.  So my body sees all these calories so I can train.  It's this vicious cycle where the gut never gets a break.  That's actually as I begin to phase into the next part of my life which is going to involve a lot more hunting and spear fishing and a lot less hardcore Spartan racing.  I'm going to begin implementing fasting a lot more so I can relieve the liver and the kidneys and the gut of a lot of this stress, and I think that's key for a lot of people.  I think people just seem to not eat for seven days.

Garry:  Fasting's interesting.

Ben:  I just drink black cherry ketones for seven days.  I can actually have this for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Garry:  We need more BA Keto fuel.  So the idea is one of the things is in the daily routine is to actually start an intermittent fasting which is actually a good place to go.  So a lot of people go intermittent fasting, even as an athlete, you can actually find your way to do that.

Ben:  Oh yeah, sure.  I do the compressed feeding window, so I'll not eat for twelve to sixteen hours every day, but I think there's a difference between that.  There's something magical that happens 'cause I've done this a couple of times.  About seventy-two hours in, I'm just not digesting things.

Garry:  Well let's talk about why we need to.

Ben:  Why we need to?

Garry:  Fast more.

Ben:  I'll take that, I've had Jason Fung on my podcast.  We kicked the fasting horse to death.  I want to focus on a couple of other things though, and we literally covered fasting for ninety minutes on a previous show, and I want to talk with you guys about some of the things that you're not going to hear from anybody else.  So you've got your biochemical analysis, now I also related to biochemistry, before we get into the neurology 'cause I know we have a couple of demonstrations we want to do.  There are a couple of things related to biochemistry.  Now you also gave me a curcumin, and I took some of this curcumin.

Garry:  It’s not just the curcumin.

Ben:  And this is related to Frank.  Early on in this podcast just now, you were talking about ulcerative colitis and Frank, how he started taking ketones and how it started to fix some of the issues. And was it curcumin that he started taking?

Garry:  Actually it was curcumin that he started taking.  So what happened was he was a Mr. North America, and the stories really funny because we were at the same bodybuilding show.  This was back in the Western Canadians, and I was on the show and this one middleweight won the show.  I was a heavyweight, and I said I want to meet this guy one day, and here he is thirty years later.  We're working together.  His story's amazing.  Franco Cavalari PhD.  He was going out to a competition, and he got taken to the hospital with his gut problem and they diagnosed him with ulcerative colitis, and he had been a scientist.  He was a scientist, he'd actually been documenting everything.  He actually went back and noticed that during periods while he was taking curcumin, he had felt better.  And basically, he went out and he said wait 'cause they wanted to remove his colon.  He said wait a second here.  What he did is he took some time, and said wait, stop.  We're not going to do the colon removal.  And he went back and started loading up on curcumin.  Now all the symptoms went away.

So he spent the next ten years of his life in a lab trying to understand why, and what he discovered is that in curcumin, there are three curcuminoids.  Does somebody want to give me the Orac scale please? I'm going to show them.

Ben:  There's three curcuminoids?

Garry:  Yeah, and he named them in three curcuminative one, two and three, very original, and the third curcuminoid was the anti-inflammatory property, and this is the cool part 'cause this is the third curcuminoid.  He actually isolated it and then put it as a patent, and so it is a patented ingredient, and what it does in this powercurc…

Ben:  I'm going to have to label curcumin, desmethoxycurcumin and bisdemethoxycurcumin.  That's the third curcuminoid? That's why you called BDM30?

Garry:  Yeah, so this is actually Powercurc 30 as a retail version.  This is a practitioner version, and these products here.  You take them and you feel it within forty five minutes.  You feel your brain calm down.

Ben:  I don't think I've taken that much curcumin all at once admittedly, but it's crazy.  It's not like you're high, but it's as if you have this crazy focus.  You have this crazy full calm.  Normally I would take curcumin to target inflammation or to improve bioavailability or something else that I mix it with.

Garry:  Why aren't you calm? Its inflammation, and inflammation here is inflammation here.

Ben:  Cortisol, inflammation, HPO is a cycle.  Yeah, so you basically take boat loads of curcumin to fix that.

Garry:  Yeah.

Ben:  Okay, so this stuff's called Powercurc.

Garry:  30.

Ben:  Powercurc, CURC?

Garry:  Yeah.

Ben:  And you had this made for you in this special blend of curcumins.

Garry:  So let me tell you this is the Orac labs.  Orac labs, and I'll send you this as well, independently rates anti-inflammatory products, and they rate turmeric at anti-inflammatory properties through eighty-one.  Curcumin, ninety-five percent standardized which is out there.

Ben:  Which we'll find in most supplements.

Garry:  It's 4,500.  This one's 900,000.

Ben:  Yours is almost a million?

Garry:  Yeah, almost a million.

Ben:  That's nuts.

Garry:  That's why you feel it in thirty to forty-five minutes, you feel it take over.

Ben:  Now I have to admit, this isn't something I'd use right after the workout 'cause you don't want to quell the inflammatory response too much.  You still want the hermetic effects of exercise.  Like before bed or something like that.

Garry:  Right, so what you want is you want to actually drive up the inflammation and then calm it down.  So in this particular case, what Franco had done is he had patented this, and this patent is actually what's interesting about it is that we've been using it clinically.  And in the clinical results, it's unbelievable.  Things that are happening to people that we never though.

Ben:  Yeah, it was weird.  You told me you give this to people before they come in for the treatment with you.  What happens?

Garry:  Well 'cause what happens is they start off there, and about fifteen minutes by the time they’re on that table and it certainly works.

Ben:  They walk in, they take it, then they're on the table within fifteen minutes.

Garry:  And it took our treatment time down thirty minutes by giving two pills.

Ben:  Just 'cause your body melts?

Garry:  Yeah, but the equivalent of taking this, the Powercurc 50, it's the same equivalent of two of these as you'd have to eat a hundred and twenty-five pounds of turmeric to get this value.

Ben:  That's nuts.

Garry:  ‘Cause we get people all the time.  I take curcumin, but a hundred and twenty-five pounds, and you can feel it.

Ben:  I like that.  So a couple of other things that I want to talk about from a biochemical standpoint that I don't want to forget to ask you about.  Number one, you handed me, as you were discussing, a bag of something you said I need to take when I get home to the wifey, drive tea.  What is the drive tea that you guys do here?

Garry:  Okay, so it's just the drive tea has got a lot of ingredients.

Ben:  Somebody tossed me a bag of that 'cause it's pretty much everything I've ever researched for sex for drive and a T.

Garry:  And we work with a company called Elemental Wisdom to do this.

Ben:  Elemental Wisdom.

Garry:  And we use Adam through a bunch of his products, and as part of our line.  But it's all about providing performance, and you can read the ingredients.  This is pretty crazy.

Ben:  Okay, so I would take this before sex.  Like sustanshay, you take this for a workout too.

Garry:  When you take this, it's going to turbocharge your sex.

Ben:  I know, I’ll try it in the mid-afternoon if I work out the bone for the rest of the day.  catuaba, maria, epimedium, fenugreek, eleuthero nettles which I harvest at home.  I'll make a tea out of wind nettles at home.  They're amazing.  Yohimbe, Leshan, he shou wu which is a Chinese adaptogen, and cinnamon.  I can't wait to try this dude.  I'm going to give it a go.

Garry:  It's incredible.  Actually let me take a step back and tell you why we have these problems in the first place.

Ben:  You mean drive problems?

Garry:  Well I'm going to talking about just overall problem.  In our finding with over a hundred lab tests, we show that our baseline stress, seventy-five percent of our baseline stress is caused by ill-affected biomechanics.  So what happens if you have a stress cup, right? So if all of a sudden, your mechanics is producing seventy-five percent of your sympathetic response, when your body's in stress, it suppresses dopamine, seratonin, oxytose and all the good hormones are suppressed when you're stressed.

So if your mechanics aren't right and your alignment is not right, your body's automatically in stress, and what it's doing is it's suppressing the hormones that you want.  And this causes a series of issues like for men, as we get later in life, it starts to cause erectile dysfunction.  Also one of the other problems that comes up with this is things like pregnancy.  We have a lot of women coming her that want to get pregnant.  Simone Loger is one of our nutritionists, and she's been a nutritionist for twenty years.  She's forty years old and had in vitro IVF, six miscarriages, and she came in through our alignment protocol, then did our biochemical wellness and our nutritionist at the time said we don't want to try to get pregnant yet.  We want to get your body ready, and bang.  Pregnant, and held the baby, and we had this happen over and over and over again, and you see these stories all the time.

Ben:  Crazy, they keep getting these deliveries of magical ketones to the table.

Garry:  Magical keto fuel.

Ben:  My brain's spin right now.

Garry:  Yeah.  BA keto fuel.  So the idea was, like a lot of women, try to get pregnant. You hear a lot of stories.  They'll go and they'll go IVF, and then they stop and they get pregnant. Why?  Because stress is the impactor.  What is stress? Everything external to us is a stressor.  Our response to that stressor is a stress response, and we have to separate stressors from stress because the stressor is what causes us to have stress, our response is, and if our baseline stress is too high, then those outside stressors can make us feel overwhelmed and stuff like that.  And more importantly, as that baseline stress as our gut problems happen, as we get more inflammation and we have more pressure on our gut which is causing problems with the GI tract and it's not relieving 'cause we're not squatting, all these other things start to happen.

As we get older, it gets harder and harder to run, and the whole aging thing is really, really crazy because it’s not about age.  It’s about maintenance.  You can take a car, a 1932 Mercedes, and if you maintain it, it drives as good today as it did in 1932.  Actually with today's technology, it actually drives better, right? It gives you that limitless ability to perform.  And what we're talking about is we're talking about reducing the overall stress in your body by bringing down your baseline stress.  First of all alignment, once you're aligned, now you have less stress.  Your body's moving more fluidly, then we start taking out all of the pressure in the gut and all the pressure through the muscles and that's how we do the alignment.  Now your body is in less stress, and you felt that last night and today, it's a really weird feeling.  So what happens when those things happens is our good hormones start rising actually.  My testosterone five years ago was two hundred.  Today is nine hundred, and I don't take testosterone, I don't take supplements.

Ben:  That's pretty good for total testosterone for a guy.  You're thirteen years older than me, right? We have the same birthday.  December twentieth, 1981.  You can send your gifts too.

Okay, so a couple of other questions.  Specifically regarding the biochemical component before we turn into neurology 'cause I think a cool place to leave people with would be a live demo of this neurology component, but first of all, you are very into essential oils here which you find a lot of massage clinics.  Yeah, when I came in one of the first things I noticed was this intense.  I brought my boys in, and you were putting it in their hair and they felt amazing and this stuff called Oil Wizardry?

Garry:  Essential Oil Wizardry.

Ben:  Essential Oil Wizardly.  Yeah 'cause I actually had a dialogue with Dr. Nick.  I looked him up, he's an organ since then, and he's blasting these oils with sound frequencies and doing all these crazy things.  Tell me about the essential oils.

Garry:  Wow, when you go there, he'll actually take the essential oils.  First of all, oils are not created equally, and a lot of the big ones out there, multi levels, they're good, but they're not even close to this.  And so what happens is that these oils alone, when he puts them in, you'll smell them and he puts them in a frequency bolt, and you take it out.  It smells different.  That’s crazy.

Ben:  A frequency bolt meaning he's actually using sound frequencies to embed the essential oils with frequencies.

Garry:  And again, I wouldn't believe it if I haven't seen it with my own eyes.

Ben:  I have a whole bunch of his oils on my desk back home now.  I've been using them all the time in my diffuser, and granted I know for those of your listening in that most of what you'll find in Greenfield Fitness Systems and on my website is this young living essential oils stuff, but I'm actually talking with Nick right now.  I know you guys are doing this too, making some of his oils available, you guys.  What's the sub trial right now?

Garry:  That one there, so what I want you to do is rub it in your hands.  We get lots of energy from people you want to get it off.  You have a conference.  Pull it over your oil field now, just going to go over here.  I know it seems a little weird, but just slowly go over to your body, and you'll feel as you go over your body you feel a tingling sensation without touching it.

Ben:  It’s crazy.

Garry:  Like if I go like this…

Ben:  Oh, it’s crazy dude.

Garry:  And so this is how we get into the…

Ben:  You guys got to watch the video, go to bengreenfieldfitness.com/humangarage.  It's crazy, you can actually feel the energy from this oil.

Garry:  So what we do is we use the oils to help stimulate alignment of the nervous system because the thrust is all about alignment, and alignment of the nervous system is super important as well.  And we use it for different things like here's a good one if you want to know.

Ben:  What was this one we used to clear negative energy?

Garry:  That's called Psychic Protection.

Ben:  So we when you're hanging out with the energy vampires, do a little bit of that?

Garry:  Yeah.  Peppermint?

Ben:  I actually used to drink that stuff.

Garry:  Peppermint?

Ben:  Oh peppermint.  We're going nootropic.

Garry:  For digestion.  So if you got gas, you put that on, and guess what?

Ben:  A lot of people are going to flip out 'cause we dumped essential oils into our mouths.  I've talked to a lot of essential oil people who say that's caustic.  I think my microphone's falling out, by the way.  I'll fix this real quick just so you guys don't use audio.

Garry:  Okay, so the essential oils, if you just take a little peppermint and you have bloating or gas, and you rub it in your tummy and you take a drop of two in your mouth.  Instantaneously within ten minutes, it starts to relieve the bloating.

Ben:  You told me about this when I asked you that question.  Put the pressure on the ileocecal valve to fix some of those issues that we talked about earlier, and then you basically rub peppermint, like a digestive oil around your belly.

Garry:  Yeah, that's a temperate solution, but the better one is to just fix the problem like we do.  So here's the trick that people can do at home right now.  You want to relax your body.  As you saw on the table, we're rubbing fascial lines to relax the body.  So let me show you something that we discovered, okay?  So the first one is, you rub your tummy this way.

Ben:  Clockwise?

Garry:  Yeah, as you rub your tummy clockwise, you'll start to feel your glutes, your calves, your hamstrings, the back of your neck starts to relax.  See that?

Ben:  Crazy.

Garry:  Okay now what I discovered was, and it took us a while to figure out why, when a baby' formed off the uteral wall, the umbilical cord actually grows like this.

Ben:  The umbilical cord curls clockwise?

Garry:  Yeah, and actually we're spun into existence, so I figured where are the primary fascial lines? Where do they meet? Well that one's on the head.  So the head go like this way, and if you do this, what you'll feel is your neck and shoulders start to relax.

Ben:  It's crazy, all this stuff is so simple.

Garry:  These are body hacks.

Ben:  Yeah, exactly.  Simple body hacks, and the crazy thing is when you're doing the body work on me, same thing.  I noticed you guys are always going clockwise.

Garry:  Here's another one.  From the finger to the palm.

Ben:  Move clockwise around the finger to the palm.

Garry:  And what you'll feel is your shoulder, your scalp, your neck.

Ben:  It all relaxes.

Garry:  And then let's go the other way.  So our fundamental belief is the human body is designed to heal itself.  We didn't have doctors two thousand years ago, so how did we do it? And what we're doing is we're learning all of the things I believed somewhere around the world in some sort of form, these things we known by somebody.

Ben:  Instead of keeping them a secret, you're actually systematizing them and teaching the people here.

Garry:  Absolutely.

Ben:  I love it, you're like an open book.  Okay, so one other question before we do the neurology 'cause I know people are going to ask this too.  This THC thing, what did you call it?

Garry:  Sprig Inspired.

Ben:  Sprig Inspired.  Okay, fill me on this.

Garry:  So there's a company in Orange County that makes the soda called Sprig, and it has a THC isolate.  I've never been one for…

Ben:  What's a THC isolate?

Garry:  Well, what they do is they extract the molecule without the turpines.  Turpines are color, the flavor or the experience, so each turpine you go and you have THC.  With THC, you have all kinds of different highs and indicas and all of that, but at the end of it, turpines, and that's by the way, this is why Dr. Nick's stuff is so great because he used turpines.  He was a research scientist, he was formulating for the US government, and he found turpines.  We can take them and use them in oils, that's the same thing that they were using in marijuana for all kinds of other things.

So with THC and you take the isolate, what happens is that you set the intention and I'm happy to say that all these thought processes that came here came because I would immerse myself into the experience to want to understand my body.

Ben:  You use plant medicine to discover a lot of these things.

Garry:  Right, so I went out and legally got licensed and went to my dispensary, and I'm not going out to get stoned and wired and baked.  That's not my goal.  My goal is to take a little bit to free my brain from all of the…

Ben:  I do the same, I write fiction on micro doses of LSD, and like I mentioned, I'll do a shroom trip every quarter, but I've never heard of sprig water.

Garry:  Well it's a soda, it's just that I've never been able to have an isolate before, and I just noticed that whatever I set my intention at.  All of a sudden, I would get it.  So my intention was to understand my body and understand why I was doing what I was doing, and what I do is I would take and I would write all kinds of notes.  So I'd feel everything in my body, and I'd write the notes down, and in the morning I get up and interpret them because the interpretation is yet.

My body goes through this series of things like the whole thing about the pressure.  I had to have my [1:39:47] ______ about one day it blocked forty times, and since the blocks, I feel a pull tight in my right foot and my left knee.  ‘Cause it's pulling up like this and it's rotating the femur.  The second that happened, release it, release it, and this is what led me to the understanding how to properly pressure release the intestinal tract.  So what happens is that I would actually sit down and take a microdose, and then I would think through the process and I would feel the sensations in my body, and that's how all of this new stuff is coming out.

Ben:  From singing and songwriting to fiction, it's kind of funny because my wife and I are Yin and Yang.  We're complete opposites, so she goes to bed and doesn't use a sleep mask or ear plugs or essential oils.  Whenever we go to my side of the bed, dialing in the temperature to sixty degrees and putting on my princess sleep mask and putting on my sleep phones with my binaural beats and essential oils, and she's also like alright.  And I'll do fiction and I'll create songs and play my ukulele, and a lot of times I'll smoke or vape some THC beforehand or use shrooms or use LSD, and she's often given me the hard time.  Why do you need to do that, why can't you just be creative? Actually I'm a firm believer that a lot of these plants around us, they're designed to allow said breakthroughs.  In my opinion, it's a cool way of tapping into a lot of what's on this planet as far as plant-based medicine.

Garry:  So let me tell you what's happening now.  I was doing this consistently for a long time, so I could learn how to help people.  That was my intention.  And it goes back to a personal story.  Don't think I want to go there.  We had that one yesterday, right?  So it's a personal story, it's really close to me.  It's about my brother and his death.

Ben:  And this is what I love about you, Gary.  Very emotional, you wear your heart in your sleeve.

Garry:  Thanks.  Actually I think I can talk about it now.  My brother committed suicide four years ago, and he was thirty-five years with back pain, and after that, that's when the Human Garage started because I knew at that point, I could no longer stop.  I had to figure this out.  No one else should ever have to.  He went through thirty-five years of surgery, he went through medication, and finally he just decided it was too much.  He ended his life.

So that experience, when I look back at it, when I had it with you on the table, you were helping me, and that's the whole thing.  You were on the table and I got to a spot, and then that's when you opened up to me, and you felt it remember?  You said that.

Ben:  It's like my whole body was electrified.

Garry:  Yeah, and that was my experience.  I was trying my whole life to figure out my problems, but then when it became my brother's problems, then it became something.  I had to do something.  What it triggered is, he was thirteen years older me, and I'm thirteen years older than you.  And so that's when you said your date when we're doing the lab work, that's what caught me off guard.

Ben:  The same birthday.

Garry:  And I went home that night, and I thought about it and stuff like that.  The crazy part about it was that's the drive, that's why I can't stop.  No one in the world should have to go through what he did.

So back to the THC, and I was using it every day, just a little bit.  Not crazy just enough to lighten up the thought process.  And then it came to a point through my alignment 'cause now my nervous system is calm.  I don't need adjustments, I don't need body work like I used to, I don't take very many supplements at all right now.  I basically take our BA keto fuel and I take the Powercurc.

Ben:  Your wife's back there, does she ever take the drive tea?

Garry:  Drive tea we use all the time.  Yeah, so I don't take a lot of supplements right now because my body's firm.  I only take what I need, when I need it, but what started happening is I started having those experiences during my normal day.  Not in a bad way, but I started seeing things differently.

Ben:  Even if you weren't using THC that's what I found too.  It's completely changed my personality and opened me up when I use plant-based medicines.  It's crazy.  The Sprig water, if you are in California, you have a license, look it up.  It sounds intriguing.  I'll try some at some point and let you guys know what it's like.

Now as promised, we also wanted to do a demonstration for you guys.  This is something I haven't yet done, but one of the things we discussed was neurology and how that's a component of these sessions that you do.  Let's talk about neurology and how we can work this in today's episode.

Garry:  Okay, so neurology.  The key thing is you saw we have big results in very few treatments.  And when you change the body, you saw yours.  It was like this to this in one treatment.

Ben:  Right, my jaw, my face, my body.

Garry:  Everything.  And so in the period of six treatments, we do what traditional physical medicine tries to do in a year or two years or three years.  So we're doing this in a couple of weeks.  So the body doesn't have the time to adapt, so we have to give the body new neurological inputs.  Otherwise, we're not going to be able to do this.  You see a lot of the cross fitters out there right now.  They're working out with braces, and when you have a pain and you work through it, there's a neurological functional problem, and if you don’t address it, it's going to impact your body.

Ben:  You can't just cover it up with kinesio tape?

Garry:  (chuckles) So I have no problem with kinesio tapes and everything else, but we need to fix why that problem is, and that problem is about the weighted brain and use.  At the end of it we're doing some really heavy neurological work to reprogram your gains.

Ben:  Yeah.  You did some stuff on me that we can't show on camera 'cause you're still licensing it.  I know you don't want to show it to the public too soon, but they're all stuff that I've never done before.

Garry:  Right, and you would see how precise it was, and what we're doing is we're repatterning your movement.

Ben:  Right.  You're resisting me as I was moving through specific ranges of motion.

Garry:  And giving you neurological inputs as well.

Ben:  Like slapping me and tapping me.

Garry:  Yeah, slapping, tapping, that's right.  But we also have a series of lower grade neurological input.  So for example, one of my issues was I had a vestibular issue.  I'm standing here like this.  My brain thought of me like this.  If you were just standing here and try to lean to the side, you'll feel all these muscles start to engage.  So every time you go off your baseline, everything on the other side tries to pull you back.  So if your brain can only deal with the information it gets, and it adapts us to that environment.  So my vestibular is off to the right, so I was wanting to lean to the right, and my entire life, this side of my body always felt tight.  It's crazy because nothing I could do was what now was fighting against me.  One of the things I couldn't get through, I needed to find out why.  I still needed to have body work, and we started addressing the neurology.  So Yari who's head of our progression.

Ben:  Come on up.  Come up to the camera.

Garry:  She runs our rehab, our progression specialist department, and what happened was is that she showed me that I had a vestibular issue, and as part of the vestibular issue, what was happening was my vestibular would be off.  My body would feel like I'm like this, my brain's firing these muscles.  So one of my programming exercises was actually a neurological drill, and I would do it and my vestibular would pop up, and I would feel good.  In about three to four hours later, I'd start to feel it tightening up again.  I do a drill, and so what we'd want to do at the end of this is to give you neurological drill that help your body maintain stability so that you don't functionally go back into those old patterns.  So we're actually doing a little drill.

Ben:  Got it.  Yeah, they make things stick.

Garry:  Yeah, make things stick. 

Ben:  Right.  So this is based on the component where you put yourself out of business by ensuring that the work that you're doing actually stays with people.

Garry:  Look at it, there's seven billion people in the world.

Ben:  Abundance.

Garry:  There's about 6.999 billion we haven't touched yet, so we don't need to have them come up.

Ben:  Fair enough.  Alright, show me how this works, and again, for those of you who are listening, you can always watch what we're about to do at bengreenfieldfitness.com/humangarage.  Okay.

Yari:  What's up, Ben?

Ben:  What's going on, Yari?

Yari:  We’re good.

Garry:  Hey can you guys…

Ben:  Alright, get a little closer to the camera.

Yari:  So I see that you have something going on your right side of your body.  You're knees kind of tilting to the right.  You got some stuff.  So what I'm going to do right now, can you guys tune in?  Gary, can you tune in with me for a second to see if it's eyes moving to the right?

Garry:  Eyes moving to the right?  Eyes moving to the right.

Yari:  Yup, okay.

Garry:  Eyes moving to the left, sorry.

Yari:  Eyes moving to the left?

Garry:  Dr. Luke, give me a second.  Eyes moving to the left?

Ben:  So basically if you guys are hearing, they're all surrounding me, looking at me doing this whole tune in thing.  They're asking if my eyes move to the right, if they move to the left.  They're using their x-ray vision.

Yari:  Okay, cool, so what I'm going to have you do first is a test.  So what you're going to do is raise your right arm just as high as you can, let's see what that range of motion looks like.  You can feel what it feels like.  It's a little tight.

Ben:  Yeah, right arms feels restricted.

Yari:  Cool, is there a movement that you feel like you can't do or that will cause you pain right now?

Ben:  Yes, if I twist to the left, I get a lot of pain right there in my right hip.

Yari:  Got it.  Can you put your hands together for me and do that? Yup.

Ben:  Well, less pain when I put my hands together.

Yari:  Okay, so can you just take it to the range of motion that you feel like, oh.

Ben:  Right about there, I start to feel odd discomfort.

Yari:  Cool, alright cool.  Come back down.  So I'm going to give you an eye exercise, and the reason I want to do that, so we have three systems, right? We have the proprioceptive, how we feel in our bodies throughout space, and then we have our visual system, and we have our vestibular system.  Our vestibular is basically our inner ear mounds.  So if we were to take your eyes out, if you were to just go like this and you try to move around in this room, it would be more complex than if you had your eyesight, yes?

Ben:  Right, my hand smells like peppermint by the way.

All: (laughs)

Yari:  Now you can understand how impactful that would be, and if you're off in your inner ear balance, like Gary was saying, if you're kind of tilted like this, you're going to walk like this around in the world, then you're going to start to have a lot of tension on that side of the body, etcetera until we start to address those particular issues with particular exercises that would go towards that.  It's like if you want to grow your bicep, you do a bicep curl or you do pull-ups or you do anything that would engage the bicep.


So if you were to do eye exercises that would pertain to your particular visual compensations that you may be having, and I can actually see in your face right now the symmetry between your eyes is just a little bit different.  I'm just going to do an eye test on you.  Let's see how this functions, cool? Amazing.  Alright.  I actually drew a little dot here, can you see the little dot here.

Ben:  I can see the little dot on your finger now that you've drawn.

Yari:  Okay, you know what? I kind of feel like I need a stool for this.

Ben:  No you're kind of short.

Yari:  I'm kind of fun-sized.  So here we go, you're going to look right here first, and I'm going to have you move your eyes, just trace them over to the left.

Ben:  Okay, following your finger with my eyes.

Yari:  Perfect, reset it with this finger over here.  Beautiful, you're going to go four more repetitions and come back here.  As you notice, I'm also doing this very slow.

Ben:  This kind of seems like some of the Z health at all?

Yari:  Yes, totally.

Ben:  Yeah, I interviewed them a few years ago on my show.

Yari:  Oh yeah, Eric Cobb.  That’s part of the people I started with.

Ben:  For those of you listening in, go listen to my episode of Z Health.  We kinda get into a lot of this stuff.

Yari:  Yeah, absolutely.  It's fascinating work, and it really ties a lot of the things and the fascia together.  So what we're doing, we're trying to destress your body, so that you can be more in harmony and in tune, and in alignment.  That's what this whole process is.  So now what I want you to do is I want you to try your arm again and raise it up and see if it feels different, or it feels tighter, or it feels the same?

Ben:  Feels a little looser.

Yari:  A little looser?

Ben:  Cool, more loose.

Yari:  More loose?

Ben:  Yeah.  Got to practice my Procabulary.

Yari:  Yeah! It’s gooder?

Ben:  It’s gooder.  Yup.

Yari:  Let's go that way, and tell me about any restriction or pain going on there.

Ben:  Still restriction, right there.  Low back on the right.

Yari:  Okay, perfect, so come back to center.  So we're trying to discover what it is that's going on and what the best movements and the best exercises are for your particular body.  Now I'm going to actually take it over to the right.  I'm going to have you move your eyes over this way and try to see if this movement is going to be better for your body.

Ben:  You don't have a dog or anything.  This is going to be a hell of a lot harder.

Yari:  Yup.  And so come back here, and I'm actually going to restraighten your head there.  Okay, so right here, and just follow my fingernail.

Ben:  She's raising up her fingers, I'm just basically following them, tracking.

Yari:  You’re just tracking my finger.  Beautiful, and then come back to center, then breathe and relax your body as you do this.  You don't want to tense up as you're doing this.  Excellent, and let's go one more time.  Por favor? Here we go.  And excellent.  Okay, cool.  So let's go ahead and retest that arm and tell me if that feels better than before or…

Ben:  Kind of the same as the second time that we tested.

Yari:  Okay, cool.  Let's go over to that side and see if that feels any different.  Better, same, tighter?

Ben:  I little bit more of range of motion it feels like when I rotate to the left.

Yari:  Another exercise, and this one's a little bit more proprioceptive.  The reason I'm going to do this one in particular is because, are most of your injuries on your right side of your body?

Ben:  They are, yeah.

Yari:  Yeah.  Okay, so I’m gonna give a little stimulation…

Ben:  Most of my injuries are actually covering my entire body, but maybe more on my right.

Yari:  Okay, cool.  So I'm going to have you step your left leg in front right there, cool.  And what I'm going to have you do with this thing in particular is you're going to formulate circles with your knee, so you're isolating the knee more than you are moving around with your hips, and you're going to lock that leg at the top of the movement.  And so when you do it, I'm just going to guide you a little bit and come all the way up where you lock your leg at the top of that movement and look straight ahead for me.  You don't want to rewire your body looking down.  We want to have you more biomechanically correct in your posture as we do this.  We're going to keep going for about another six repetitions.  And the reason a higher volume of repetitions for you is because you're an athlete, and so you might require more stimulus.

Ben:  And for those of you listening in, we're just basically moving my knee through a circular range of motion.

Yari:  There.  And on your own, I really want you to focus, hyper focus on creating that circle.  When we have linear movement, it's much easier for the brain.  When we have circular movements, it's a little bit more challenging.

Ben:  Yeah, takes some focus.

Yari:  Right, focus, stimulation for that brain, so we're activating your cerebellum on this side of your body.  We're activating your PMRF on this one which is what stabilizes this side of the brain.

Ben:  PRMF?

Yari:  Yeah, Pons Modulator Reticular Formation.

Ben:  Wow, let's stick with PMRF.  Yeah, okay.

Yari:  And let's go actually one more on that, and big.  Make it a bigger range of motion, perfect.  That's it, and now we're going to reverse that.  I'm going to give you just eight more.

Ben:  Same thing, left leg, except we're reverse direction.

Yari:  Exactly, so we want to basically lubricate that joint all together, and we're also mobilizing your hip at the same time, your ankles.  So these are secondary things, they're being mobilized, but the most important thing about this particular exercise is I'm just trying to create a responsive stability on this side of your body.  And so if it works for you…

Ben:  You're moving the left leg through the range of motion, the left knee through the range of motion to create a response of stability on the right side.

Yari:  Correct, exactly.  And so we're going to test it 'cause I still have to test you and see if that works, but based on the logical sense that it makes, an intuitive sense that I kind of got right away.  We need to move this side of the body to create that response.  When I test and see if this improved, and this improved.  And also just normally we would have you walk, we don’t have enough room right now to walk.

Ben:  As we do, everything we do here, we walk it off.

Yari:  We walk 'cause that's what you do on a daily, more than anything else.  Ad so by looking at your gate pattern is how we get to determine, is it biomechanically moving better or is your smooth faster.  Beautiful.  Okay, so let's stop right there.  Excellent, so I want you to come back to your original position.  Excellent, and go ahead and raise that right arm for me.

Ben:  Okay, a little more range of motion it feels like.  Okay hands clapped in front and rotate to the left.

Yari:  Correct.

Ben:  Little better.

Yari:  Little better?

Ben:  Yup.

Yari:  Beautiful.  Is there a little less pain as well?

Ben:  Feels like a little less tightness in the lower right back, yeah.

Yari:  Right, and those are the kind of responses that we want.  It’s that how you're trying to reduce the level of stress in your body, and if you can think of every single step that you take.  It's two to three times your body weight.  So if you're walking biomechanically incorrect, you can understand the level of force that you're creating daily and the level of stress.  Fascia takes you to start to formulate around that too, so it's like this whole combination that's happening, and we're just again wanting to have your body become more in alignment.  So we couple the neurological with the fascia, and that's how we put everything together, and of course the chemical processes of the nutrition as you’ve heard and bring everything together, Procabulary.  Bringing everything, mind, body, soul because it's all one of the same.  And to separate it…

Ben:  Right, so a very holistic approach, very interesting.

Garry:  So what I want to point out is that the work I did with you on the table, from a neurological standpoint, is a thousand times stronger than the work that we're doing here because that's instantaneously changing you in one motion.  But this is to help you support that.  We put you on the table, we program it, but we want your brain to continue to support it with neurological inputs and proprioceptive exercises, and that's what this thing does.  We have people that are doing this, and what we do since we have a lot of people that can't get to the Garage, what we do is we actually put on the Skype sessions 'cause people always ask us how can we help you if we're not there?

So we do this internationally even.  We have Skype sessions with them, and what we do is we watch them walk.

Ben:  That'd be useful for people who can't fly to L.A. to do this.

Garry:  Absolutely, and what we do is we set up sessions with them with our progression specialist.  They analyze their data over Skype, they go through drills and exercises just like they were here.  Because really we don't really have to touch it.  This is all about watching how you move and how you stand because the way that your body and your muscles function is based over the way your brain sees the world.  And so we can see what's going on by the way that you move, and that's what we're doing, and this is something that we started doing because we had all these people flying from other countries for alignment work, and we had them develop the process to help them.  And now we're offering the help with all these people.  So we're for people who can't get here and do that.

Ben:  It's a great idea.  I still think that if you are listening in, it's worth it to make the trip to L.A.

Garry:  It is.

Ben:  Now I know that you guys also have things like…

Yari:  I got to go.

Ben:  Okay, thank you so much.  Okay, see you later.  So I know you work with a lot of celebrities and pro-athletes, we're not going to name drop them, but I've sent people your directions and it just changed their lives.  They sent me before and after photos.  You work with a lot of folks, but I think from what I understand or get the impression it's hard to get in.  If people are listening in, go to your websites, I don't see.  So what is the best way for people to connect with you after they've listened to this podcast so they just go get on the wait list?

Garry:  Actually just go get on the wait list.

Ben:  Okay, so just go to humangarage.net.  Now if they mention my name or this podcast or anything like that, does that help out at all?

Garry:  We will accelerate the…

Ben:  We're going to talk about this.  I want to make sure that my peeps are taken cared of.

Garry:  Tell you what, I'll have the web guys actually put a link, a special mark up, where they referred from and they refer you, and we'll bring them in first.

Ben:  Okay, so just make sure.  If you go to humangarage.net, let him know that you came over here, you listened to the show and mentioned my name and they'll try and get you some VIP or some white glove treatment.  Please come in and try some ketone esters, a little bit of peppermint oil.  That keto fuel, I'll put a link for you guys.  That keto fuel, the Powercurc all that stuff.  I'll put that in the show notes too so you can grab some of that stuff as well and make that available to you right in the show notes at bengreenfieldfitness.com/humangarage.  We have only scratch the surface of the mind blowing things that they're doing here.  You guys got to come over here, you have to experience it to believe it in my opinion.

Garry:  Ben, I want to say something.

Ben:  Gary, go ahead.

Garry:  So why we're scaling up and why we're systematizing is that we're hiring more people and we're setting remote teams, so we're going to be popping up in New York by the end of this year roughly or next year.  So we're going to go there every two weeks and in Vancouver because a lot of our celebrities are shooting in Vancouver.  It’s hard for them to get thrust in a shooting since we're going to them, and the other thing too, all this makes possible, I have two co-founders and I like just to introduce them if that's possible.

Ben:  Yeah, sure.  The co-founders.

Garry:  So we need somebody to hold the camera.  So my wife who is my original partner.

Ben:  The person you get to try the drive tea with you, and your wife's name?

Garry:  Anela, she has a name, and what's more important is she signs all the checks.  They don't let me sign checks.  It's funny because I spent my entire life looking.  I love business, I love scaling businesses, and I spent my entire life looking for that number two, the guy who could actually balance me off.  In 2010, I walked into the Beverly Hills career.  He was running a newspaper as a family-run newspaper.  He was an accountant by trade.  He ran newspaper, he has a business background, automation skills and he helped me actually set up or helped us set up the actual business process.  He went away to grad school for two years, and I thought oh shit.  What am I going to do now? For two years, my buddy came back, Clifton.

Ben:  Clifton, hey good to meet you bro.

Garry:  And really importantly is the people who made this all happen is one of our other partners is the guy who actually did all of our branding.

Ben:  Yeah, he has a great branding I love it.

Garry:  It's all the products and stuff like that.  He has written about an ink magazine.  He does major branding projects for big companies.  I can never afford to actually pay his fees, but what has happened is he's been a partner of ours all the way along 'cause I see is new language 'cause you can't say our trainers are trainers because they do different things.  So while branding, I want to give a shout out to them 'cause that Dan Lisick is a genius.  He's helped us think through this process 'cause the brand is a promise made and a promise delivered, and that means everything from the technology that you use all the way through to the visual inputs and stuff like that, and that's all part of it.  So I just wanted to give appreciation to them for what they've done, and we're excited 'cause we're expanding.

We're going to open up in New York probably in full scale and in probably in about eighteen to twenty-four months, and then in Vancouver shortly after that, but our long term goal is really not to open Human Garages.  It's to take this intellectual property, this new science and actually train practitioners in all forms of medicine.  We work with dentists.  Twenty percent of our clients are doctors right now.  Orthopedic surgeons, internal medicine doctors, chiropractors, physical therapists come here for that.

Ben:  Alright, so I have a mastermind, this group of over a hundred coaches who I mentor underneath me online, and those are a lot of the people, I want to be able to tap into this too.  So if you're one of those folks, you know who you are.  Talk to me 'cause I'd love to connect with Gary to learn his ways, come see Obi Wan Kenobi, Yoda.  You won't be offended if I call you Yoda?

So folks, bengreenfiedfitness.com/humangarage.  Check it out, it is a must see, must do, add-to-your-bucket-list if you care about your body or your brain, and until next time.  I'm Ben Greenfield along with Gary Lineham, signing out from bengreenfieldfitness.com.  Have a healthy week you guys.  Thanks for watching, listening.



Last month, I ventured to a place called “The Human Garage” in Venice Beach, California…

…for an absolutely mind-blowing full body reboot that turned out to be the most unique mash-up of deep tissue body work, aromatherapy, energy healing and combination of ancestral methods and modern science that I've ever experienced in my life.

Not kidding. I left as a new man with a new body. So what is the Human Garage?

At Human Garage, they pursue the Power of Alignment, balancing both body and mind to maximize the innate capacities present in each of our bodies to heal. They utilize a systemic, hands-on approach to unwinding and rebalancing body and mind. They believe by locating and releasing the origin of the problem of pain, biomechanically and biochemically, the body begins to unwind and lays the foundation for the body to heal itself.

They take clients through an unwinding process with a hands-on release therapy they created and designed to realign the body from the inside out. Their treatment is based on the belief that every person and every body is different. Their belief is that people ultimately know their own bodies better than anyone else and have to actively participate in its recovery. Unlike traditional modalities for treating pain, they believe in finding and treating the origin of discomfort to avoid chasing symptoms of pain and dysfunction.

Their approach is based on a sound belief in the connection between body and mind and they offer a variety of services to bring the body back into balance. In addition to their unwinding and release alignment protocol, they also provide services such as nutritional supplementation and coaching, personal training and biomechanical development to maximize well-being and health. They also offer a wide variety of functional foods and hand-crafted essential oils to keep your body and mind happy, healthy, and in motion.

On today's podcast with Human Garage founder Garry Lineham, you'll discover:

-The story of how Garry went from a bed-bound ex-bodybuilder to completely reinventing and fixing his anatomy…[13:15]

-Why most people (including doctors, chiropractors and physical therapists) don't see the full picture and “get it wrong” when it comes to permanently fixing your joint aches and pains…[17:00]

-The surprising number of people who work on you all at the same time at the Human Garage (I personally had 4 people working on me at once)…[25:30 & 47:55]

-How Garry “talks to your body” and asks it questions, then sense the response…[27:20 & 55:40]

-Why Garry endorses high dose curcumin and ketones combined with one special ingredient (this one surprised me) to make his work even more effective…[83:00]

-The very special “enhancement tea” and “sprig water” Garry uses…[87:40 & 97:40]

-Where essential oils and aromatherapy fit into the healing process, and how you can use them…[92:45]

-How to incorporate sound healing and music into deep tissue therapy…[93:30]

-And much more!

Resources from this episode:

-The Facebook Live recording of this episode

-HumanGarage.net (don't forget to use code Ben17 for 10% off)

Adam Von RothFelder

My review of Dr. David Hawkins book

-Dr. David Rubenstein

-The Human Garage Alignment Protocol graphic

-Essential Anatomy software

-Ben's biochemical lab results from the Human Garage

Fascia Magnified 25x Video

-Click here to get the very special herbal tea Garry and Ben discuss in this episode (use code “SEX” for 10% off)

-KetoFuel (don't forget to use code Ben17 for 10% off)

-PowerCurc (don't forget to use code Ben17 for 10% off)

-Essential Oil Wizardry Essential Oils

Sprig Water

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