Is Radiation Actually Good For You? The Hormesis Effect, The Healing Power of Radioactive Stones, Ozone Therapy & Much More With Jane Goldberg.

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If you heard my podcast “The Ultimate Biohacked Workout & The Future Of Fitness: Minimal Effective Doses, Cold, Blood Flow Restriction, Electrical Muscle Stimulation, Ozone & More!,” recorded at Systimfit in New York City, then you may have heard, towards the tail end of that podcast, how I was about to wander across town to a place called La Casa to undergo a cutting-edge ozone sauna recovery treatment with something called a HOCATT.

HOCATT stands for “Hyperthermic Ozone and Carbonic Acid Transdermal Technology,” and the machine acts as an ozone steam sauna in which you sit with just your head exposed to the air, while your body receives the benefits of an infusion of ozone, carbon dioxide, steam, photon light, and oxygen—all while undergoing pulsed electromagnetic field therapy (PEMF).

While I was there, the proprietor of La Casa, Dr. Jane Goldberg—a New York-based psychoanalyst and holistic health consultant—commented that she wasn't too concerned about the mild amount of ozone one might breathe in while using this device. I asked her why, and she handed me a book. The book is called The Hormesis Effect: The Miraculous Healing Power of Radioactive Stones.

Yep, I know. Woo-woo alert.

But on the plane ride home from New York, I read the book, and it was actually quite compelling. Turns out that for thousands of years people have been treating pain, injuries, and disease with low-radioactive stones.  In The Hormesis Effect, Dr. Goldberg and her co-author, the late Jay Gutierrez (a noted Native American healer and CEO of Night Hawk Minerals in Pritchett, Colorado) talk about rediscovering a forgotten ancient science that was supposedly once well-known to our ancestors: the healing power of low-level radioactivity.

It also turns out that the concept of using low-dose radiation for therapeutic purposes, called in medical literature “radiation hormesis,” has 100 years of solid scientific research behind it, and thousands of medical studies to support it. It is easy, affordable, and highly effective. If you're like most people, you're afraid of radiation, and all it implies. Yet, in other countries all over the world, millions of people have benefited from using low-level radiation on everything from tennis elbow, joint pain and arthritis, to far more serious illnesses such as multiple sclerosis, spinal meningitis, autism, stroke, macular degeneration, heart disease, and cancer. The book discusses an inexpensive delivery system that can bring this powerful, proven healing modality directly to you within the comfort of your own home: the concept of radiation hormesis and low-level radioactive natural stones.

So could radiation actually cause you to live longer and be healthier? That's exactly what we discuss in this podcast.

Dr. Jane G. Goldberg, Ph.D. is a licensed psychologist, a certified psychoanalyst, and an oncological psychoanalyst (having worked extensively with cancer patients). She is a Stone Carrier-Medicine Woman of the Nemenhah Native American Tribe. She is one of the founding conceptualizers of the application of psychoanalysis to group therapy. She is the author of 8 books, as well as writer and creator of a holistic newsletter called Musings From 20th Street. She owns and operates two holistic centers: La Casa Spa and Wellness New York (the oldest wellness center in NYC) and La Casa Spa and Wellness Puerto Rico in the El Yunque rain forest (established in 1986). For several years, she had her own television show called The Really Real Reality Group Therapy TV Show.

She is also a documentary filmmaker, having produced and directed “Because People Are Dying” (watch part 1 here and part 2 here), a film about radiation hormesis. Her latest project, about to be launched (but delayed by COVID-19), is a unique brain enhancement program called Brainercize. Accompanying the launch will be the publication of her most recent book, The Revolutionary Mind Project. Also, soon to be published is her book, co-authored with Karliin Brooks, on biohacking called Biohacking WW (Women's World).

During this discussion, you'll discover:

-Whether breathing in ozone is a good thing, and how much is safe…10:20

-Jane's story, and the opening of La Casa…15:00

-The surprising health benefits of atomic bombs…23:52

  • 4 kinds of radioactivity: alpha, beta, x-ray, gamma
  • The bombs dropped in Japan were gamma rays
  • Gamma penetrates, it doesn't burn
  • People exposed to low doses of radiation from the bombs lived longer and healthier than those with no exposure at all

-What exactly radiation hormesis is…26:20

-The effect radiation has on DNA…39:02

  • 200,000 DNA repairs every day in every cell
  • Radiation hormesis causes slight damage, which stimulates the repair process in DNA
  • DNA is “supercoiled” with cancer; low dose radiation “uncoils” the DNA

-The effect of low dose radiation on the immune system…42:42

  • Stimulates the production of lymphocytes
  • Increases helper T cells
  • Decreases suppressor T cells

-Radiation frequency and dosages…45:20

  • The body can't tell if radiation is man-made or natural
  • The body can discern the wave-particle (alpha, beta, x-ray, gamma)
  • Gamma is always destructive
  • Brazil nuts, bananas, and the human body produce low doses of radiation

-How radioactive stones work…49:20

  • Jane's coauthor Jay made jewelry out of an attractive stone in Colorado
  • People who wore the jewelry reported improvements in maladies from which they were suffering
  • The stones he had been harvesting and selling were thorium
  • There are over 3,000 gold-standard studies on the effects of low-level radiation
  • Nighthawk Minerals
  • Bathtub treatment available at La Casa

-The link between radiation and fungus…56:15

  • Radiation damages healthy cells, as well as fungus
  • The healthy cells recover, while the fungus doesn't
  • Protective effects from mushrooms
  • Potential to anecdotally test the efficacy of the stones or radioactive water
  • Fungus “poops” out dangerous mycotoxins
  • BGF podcast on the mycobiome

Click here for the full written transcript of this podcast episode.

Resources from this episode:

La Casa Spa and Wellness New York

La Casa Spa and Wellness Puerto Rico

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10 thoughts on “Is Radiation Actually Good For You? The Hormesis Effect, The Healing Power of Radioactive Stones, Ozone Therapy & Much More With Jane Goldberg.

  1. Rebecca Prange says:

    Hello everyone,
    I purchased a set of stones( $325) as recommended to me by Fay at Night Hawk Minerals. She promised free counseling on the use of the stones for the duration of that use. I have not been able to contact her since that first convo. I have tried email and phone with no joy. Was I duped? Feeling like a bit if an idiot.
    Ben, any chance you could use your connection to investigate the lack of response? Was she in an accident? Had a heart attack? In no way am I implying that BG is in any way responsible, I’m just hoping for an answer to the question of why no response from her?

  2. Interesting podcast, which made me wonder about the radiation received from flying on an airplane. Would that be considered positive low-level radiation, or the more harmful radiation?

  3. Andrew says:

    Very interesting podcast.

  4. B says:

    Ben for your new master class are there any q&a or interactive sessions with you? Or is it just the videos?

  5. Robin Barry says:

    I would respectfully like to know what caused the author Jay Guttierez to die at the young age of 53?

  6. Brad says:

    I have not listened to the podcast yet, as I am waiting for the transcript. Though I have some comments based upon Ben’s podcast outline

    I find the topic very interesting. I live in a high radon area and have a super powerful radon fan. It’s actually kind of noisy outside. The paper indicating Radon is not responsible for Lung Cancer looked legitimate, but I am not ready to shut the fan off off just yet.

    In any event,I am just under the EPA threshold in my bottom floor room with the least ventilation with the fan running, so I am getting some radon exposure whether it is a good thing or not. I spend most of my time upstairs where the radon level is likely much lower than the bottom floor. Hopefully, my exposure level is hormetic as the podcast outline seems to suggest.

    I also eat 4 brazil nuts a days, so I am getting some low dose radiation there too.

    1. Joshua says:

      The Night Hawk stone is 100$ shipping to Australia. Anyone have an idea for a cheaper way to get the stones? Thanks.

      1. Michael Harvey says:

        you could try and source source stone in Australia that is equivalent.

    2. Gwen Bridge says:

      Me too. pretty high. Approx 3x health Canada guidelines for maybe 5 years. Radon mitigated to about 1/15 of what it was before,. Still avoid basement. Hoping for the hormesis effect versus the other lung cancer effect.

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