How I “Hacked My Home”: EMF Shielding, Grounded Floors, Protected Bedroom, The Healthiest Lighting & Much More with Brian Hoyer.

Ben Greenfield [00:00:00]: My name is Ben Greenfield, and on this episode of the Boundless Life Podcast.

Brian Hoyer [00:00:04]: What a lot of people don't realize is they think, oh, I've got plenty of natural light. I'm getting a lot because it's, you know, I've got all these windows, and you've got a lot of windows in this space and you're getting a lot of natural visible light.

Ben Greenfield [00:00:15]: Right.

Brian Hoyer [00:00:15]: But it is blocking the infrared. So this is the reading from outside.

Ben Greenfield [00:00:18]: So even windows will block the infrared. Now watch what look like outside. So pretty much you were standing just outside that door. So this is going to be pretty similar to what you would have been getting right outside that door. But now you're showing what happens when you introduce the window.

Brian Hoyer [00:00:32]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:00:32]: Oh, my gosh.

Brian Hoyer [00:00:34]: So like it basically.

Ben Greenfield [00:00:35]: So windows act like. Basically like high red light spectrum frequency sunglasses.

Brian Hoyer [00:00:40]: Exactly.

Ben Greenfield [00:00:41]: Even though they don't. It looks totally clear. Like you wouldn't know that unless you measure that with a meter.

Brian Hoyer [00:00:47]: That's crazy, yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:00:47]: Especially when you consider like driving in your car outside and the sun coming into the window.

Brian Hoyer [00:00:51]: Yeah. And this has the higher spectrum infrared. You can see we're getting about 10 watts per meter squared on this. But if we open up, we're getting 550 without.

Ben Greenfield [00:01:04]: You just can't compete with God.

Brian Hoyer [00:01:08]: No.

Ben Greenfield [00:01:08]: When it comes to light piece. Jeez.

Brian Hoyer [00:01:08]: I mean, the sun, you know, all the things that we do inside to try to help improve it, like it's the bare minimum of what we can do. The sun is so powerful.

Ben Greenfield [00:01:20]: Even on a cloudy day.

Brian Hoyer [00:01:20]: Even on a cloudy day, you're getting so much infrared.

Ben Greenfield [00:01:20]: Wow.

Brian Hoyer [00:01:21]: So. But at least we can try to mimic it as much as possible. And that's what we've done here with this baseline structure of flicker-free. We haven't talked about flicker yet, but flicker-free lighting that doesn't have a lot of blue spectrum or you're experiencing the blue at the right time of day and you have the ability to adjust it right at the light switch.

Ben Greenfield [00:01:43]: Welcome to the Boundless Life with me, your host, Ben Greenfield. I'm a personal trainer, exercise physiologist and nutritionist. And I'm passionate about helping you discover unparalleled levels of health, fitness, longevity, and beyond. This is it. You guys been waiting for it. The brand new home build in Idaho in which we pulled out all the stops for everything. From water filtration to air filtration to importantly, in the subject of today's show, eliminating as much light pollution as possible and having really natural circadian-friendly lighting and eliminating as much dirty electricity and electrical pollution as possible and basically having, again, as natural a home as we can possibly get for health, for sleep, for performance, during the day, for mental clarity, everything. So I've gotten so many questions from you all about this. So a couple of things, couple of housekeeping items, pun intended, in this case, I guess. Show notes are gonna be juicy.

Ben Greenfield [00:02:48]: Not only I'm gonna link to all of the previous podcasts I've done with today's guest and all the podcasts I've done about building or modifying a home to be more healthy, but I will also put in there all of the links to anything that we discuss on today's show. So that's BenGreenfieldLife.com/HomeTour. BenGreenfieldLife.com/HomeTour. My guest is a repeat guest. He is the man, one of the greatest building biologists in all of the land. One of the few guys who can actually understand and decode all this stuff and blows my mind with his body of knowledge whenever I talk with him. Mr. Brian Hoyer from Shielded Healing is here with me. And Brian is going to be taking us on a tour because he was my right hand guy when it came to asking about the right light bulbs and the right wiring and how to have Internet throughout the house without WiFi, all this stuff. So prepare to have your minds blown in a good way. All right, Ready to do this, Brian?

Brian Hoyer [00:03:46]: Let's do it, man.

Ben Greenfield [00:03:46]: I don't even know what you handed me to hold here before we started.

Brian Hoyer [00:03:49]: That's just a prop. It's not even real.

Ben Greenfield [00:03:51]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:03:51]: No, no. This one's an RF meter. Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:03:55]: In case I overeat. That's RF.

Brian Hoyer [00:03:59]: Yeah. Radio frequency.

Ben Greenfield [00:03:59]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:03:59]: So this is measuring all the wireless transmitting frequencies that travel through the air from WiFi, cell phone towers, radio towers, Bluetooth, your devices, things that are connecting and sending information wirelessly.

Ben Greenfield [00:04:13]: Okay, got it. But you have, you have like a billion other meters here. Do we literally use all. Like, when you're a building biologist and you're going through a home build or an existing home, are you using all of these or are they redundant?

Brian Hoyer [00:04:30]: I've found that some people just have like a lot smaller collection of meters. But over time, I've found out that I need redundancy because sometimes 1 meter will be starting to run out of battery or it's sensitive in one range but not in another range.

Ben Greenfield [00:04:48]: Gotcha.

Brian Hoyer [00:04:49]: And so I've collected these over the last, like eight or nine years and come up with like, I don't want any blind spots. And the blind spots I know about are ones that I've tested and rented other equipment for a period of time.

Ben Greenfield [00:05:03]: Okay. All right, cool. So before we actually go through, because this is gonna be kind of field trippy as we go through the home and you talk about the different things that we've done in each space, I would love to kind of strip things down to the foundation, full of puns today, and talk about, like, the walls and the floor. Cause I know over here, you have laid out some of the stuff we built in. So let's check this out first. Because if you're building a home from the ground up and you have the option to do some of this stuff, I know some of it you can do in an existing build as well, these are some of the things we use. So let's go through this.

Brian Hoyer [00:05:37]: Yeah. So one of the basics that we use in doing home build consults and anything that's related to protecting your home, ancestrally, making your energetic environment more like the environment of our ancestors, has to do with grounding and shielding the modern frequencies. So one of the basic things we do in the bedrooms is we do shielding paint. I don't have the shielding paint here. It's a black paint that we get from Germany, and it's conductive. It's made of carbon black and graphite. And that paint is actually grounded with a conductive tape on the wall. And this goes right into the electrical, what they call equipment-grounding conductor of the home.

Ben Greenfield [00:06:20]: Now, some people might not know what it means when you say you're grounding the paint. Walk me through how that is beneficial.

Brian Hoyer [00:06:30]: Yeah, so that's beneficial because in most homes, not this home because we wired it differently, but most homes, when we're trying to fix the problem that we have with electricity, in a typical home, it has unshielded Romex wiring, just a rubber sheath over the electrical wires. And there's no metal around it. There's no grounding around it. And electricity goes. It goes to the lowest potential and the quickest path to ground. So grounding we can actually use as shielding. So we're reducing electric fields like Ben said. He said EF.

Brian Hoyer [00:07:05]: So there's some terminology that we might be using during this podcast where we talk about EF, electric fields. MF we could refer to that as magnetic fields. Those are both the low frequency portions of the spectrum. But we use this grounding tape to ground the paint that will block, essentially block in a normal house with Romex, it blocks all of the electric fields and just drains out through the walls and the ceiling, wherever there's wires behind the drywall.

Ben Greenfield [00:07:30]: Now, if somebody has a home and they use the metal shielding around the wiring, do they still need the paint?

Brian Hoyer [00:07:36]: They don't need the paint to shield the EF, the electric field, but they still would need it to block the wireless radiation.

Ben Greenfield [00:07:44]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:07:44]: And that's the. That's why we love using the paint, is because we're creating a Faraday cage in the room to. And because it's grounded, it's blocking the electric field. And because it's metal, it's reflecting away and also absorbing some of the radio frequency and not allowing it into your interior space.

Ben Greenfield [00:08:02]: So in a home like this, do you only focus on painting the bedrooms?

Brian Hoyer [00:08:07]: Typically, it depends on the customer's preferences. Some people don't want any signals in their house whatsoever. Others want to. When they have guests over, they want them to be able to get cell phone reception in their house.

Ben Greenfield [00:08:20]: If I'm, like, walking around this living room that's next to the kitchen here, and I want to make some phone calls that I wouldn't be able to make in my bedroom, I might not want that area of the home painted. And then there's also the fact that the one time of the day, arguably, my nervous system is getting a chance to repair and recover is the bedrooms. That's the place where you place the most focus on children.

Brian Hoyer [00:08:40]: Exactly.

Ben Greenfield [00:08:41]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:08:41]: That's when your body is supposed to be in that deep parasympathetic state. There's these dormant healing responses that many people have never experienced to the full extent that they can be experienced because they've not even slept one day without wireless radiation or electric fields or magnetic fields. And so our goal with what we're doing is to create an environment where your body can actually heal and recover optimally. Not just 60%, not just 40% or 80%. We want you to have this optimal environment for healing where your body's not perceiving all of these stressors while it's sleeping.

Ben Greenfield [00:09:19]: Right. It's like when I travel, I'm very cognizant of making the hotel room as dark as possible. Right. So I'm using the whole curtain hangers on the curtains and sleeping mask. And I travel with even, like, black electrical tape to cover everything up. Sometimes I got to call engineering to get them to turn the temperature down so that they override the normal room temp. I take all my sleep supplements. I play my sleeping noises.

Ben Greenfield [00:09:45]: I do my breath work. And yet there are some hotels where I still sleep like shit because basically I'm still getting exposed to that wifi router that is maybe installed right behind the headboard of the hotel room or whatever.

Brian Hoyer [00:09:58]: Yep. Yeah. And that's the key, is that if you're looking at this as a continuum of, okay, when I cover up these things with these lights with black electrical tape, that's going to improve my sleep by 10%. When I have my sleep mask on, it's going to improve it by another percentage. When I unplug the lamps near the hotel bed, that's going to improve it by another 20% or something. So if you're looking at it like, okay, home, I'm there every single night. And especially with kids, this is super important because it's hard to get them to take a lot of the supplements, especially when they're younger and to do all the things related to health. But it's really easy to go ahead and shield their bedroom and then they go to sleep in that bedroom every single night.

Brian Hoyer [00:10:42]: Automatically. They're getting eight hours of healing, grounded, protected, energetic therapy every single night.

Ben Greenfield [00:10:48]: Yeah, much better than giving your child Valium. Okay, so we've got this that you do with the paint. You ground the paint, which is super cool. And then what's this one?

Brian Hoyer [00:10:57]: So this is a floor shielding called copper subshield that my company developed. And basically this goes underneath the floor and then it's grounded with this tin copper grounding braid. And this goes onto that to ground the floor and then goes into the electrical outlet to ground it. So this can be put underneath any type of floor, basically. And you have hydronic heating?

Ben Greenfield [00:11:23]: Exactly. Yep, yep.

Brian Hoyer [00:11:24]: And so we had to like put this under and then the glue seeps through and we were able to make it adhere to that. And then it goes up like this on the side of the baseboards and overlaps with the paint.

Ben Greenfield [00:11:36]: You took videos of this a few months ago, right? Yeah, yeah. So we're going to embed those in the show notes because obviously we're filming this after the floor has been completed. But Brian came a few months ago. So if you guys want to see what this looks like when it's laid out over an uncomplete floor, I'll put those in the show notes. You can see those videos. So basically, do you do that just on the ground level or does every single floor of a house, if it's a multi story house, have the ability to be like grounded even if you're on the second floor?

Brian Hoyer [00:12:06]: Yeah, every single floor, even in condos we do grounding, like.

Ben Greenfield [00:12:11]: Yeah, yeah. So when I'm up in my bedroom and I get out of my bedroom and put my feet on the ground, I'm grounding.

Brian Hoyer [00:12:18]: You're getting grounded energy from.

Ben Greenfield [00:12:19]: Assuming I'm not wearing my sketchers to bed.

Brian Hoyer [00:12:21]: There will be a little bit that's insulated because you have wood right on the top, but it's basically like you're walking on wood chips out in the forest.

Ben Greenfield [00:12:27]: Yeah, it's incredible. Incredible. So, again, back to living naturally in a modern environment. You can be grounding and earthing without going outside like a dirty, barefoot hippie all day.

Brian Hoyer [00:12:37]: Yep.

Ben Greenfield [00:12:37]: Amazing. Okay, so what's this one?

Brian Hoyer [00:12:39]: So this is another more affordable grounding, and it has more perforations in it, and we use this underneath tile. Like, if you need to have some. Some thin set that to soak through. Or sometimes we'll have. Sometimes if people don't want to do the painting, they'll put this behind the drywall, and we ground it with the same braid this way. But basically, this is like a grounding mesh. We call it terra mesh.

Ben Greenfield [00:13:02]: Wow. Okay, cool. So you got the option between the terra mesh and the copper. Yeah, and the copper's a little better.

Brian Hoyer [00:13:07]: Copper is a little better because it blocks the wireless in. In a much. Oh, shields way. Shields. Oh, I didn't know it's shields. And. And grounds. This just grounds.

Brian Hoyer [00:13:17]: It does provide some shielding, but not nearly as much as this. This stuff. I mean, this is what they use in hospital, like, MRI rooms and to. To shield. Shield those and create a.

Ben Greenfield [00:13:29]: By the way, I've been like, we're only a few minutes into this podcast, but I joke with my friends, like, I don't want to leave my house because I feel so amazing here. Like, I. Like, I was in India for two weeks, and I got home a few days ago, and my sleep scores are already, like, 95. Like, this is the best house for sleeping, period.

Brian Hoyer [00:13:46]: Awesome to hear.

Ben Greenfield [00:13:46]: Obviously, slept in a lot of cool places, so. Amazing. Okay, so what else do you want to move on to next? As far as the things we can show and tell here in the kitchen.

Brian Hoyer [00:13:54]: Yeah. So this is a product that I actually developed with my new company, the Shielding Shop.

Ben Greenfield [00:13:59]: Safe Charge USB outlet.

Brian Hoyer [00:14:02]: Yes.

Ben Greenfield [00:14:02]: So what's this do?

Brian Hoyer [00:14:03]: So this one, we've engineered it so that the USB ports are actually grounded.

Ben Greenfield [00:14:09]: Oh. And normally, is that usually not a thing?

Brian Hoyer [00:14:11]: It's normally not a thing. Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:14:13]: So usually the grounding plug is this bottom plug that's going to be connected to the ground via the wiring of the house. But if you have the need for a USB cable that's built in, that USB cable doesn't have the same grounding.

Brian Hoyer [00:14:26]: Exactly.

Ben Greenfield [00:14:27]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:14:27]: Yeah. So we've engineered it and gotten it ETL approved. So that follows all the NEC, the electrical national electric code and everything.

Ben Greenfield [00:14:36]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:14:37]: And these are installed near your bed so you can plug your phone in right next to your bed in an outlet. You don't need a charger or anything. And it's not gonna create any electric field radiation to your body.

Ben Greenfield [00:14:50]: What if I just use like a three prong USB charger and plug the phone into that? What's better to go into the USB cable, into the outlet or doesn't matter at that point?

Brian Hoyer [00:15:01]: That is a great question and I'm glad you asked because I'm going to show you something. This was not planned, by the way. I'm going to give you one of your gifts now.

Ben Greenfield [00:15:09]: This is obviously very unscript, like all my interviews, rough and unscripted.

Brian Hoyer [00:15:14]: Okay. I got.

Ben Greenfield [00:15:16]: That's why I don't have the top podcast. We just make shit up as we go.

Brian Hoyer [00:15:19]: Okay, so I've got some housewarming gifts. We'll open the rest of these after, you know, at the end. But I want to give you this one now.

Ben Greenfield [00:15:28]: All right, so you want me to open this?

Brian Hoyer [00:15:29]: Yeah, go ahead and open.

Ben Greenfield [00:15:30]: All right. All right, folks, welcome to opening presents with Ben. Normally when I open a gift, I rip off all the paper violently. But because I'm on video, I gotta be respectful. And do I need to read the card first or.

Brian Hoyer [00:15:42]: There's no card.

Ben Greenfield [00:15:42]: Okay, good, because I hate that.

Brian Hoyer [00:15:44]: No mushy stuff.

Ben Greenfield [00:15:45]: Sorry. I like to move on straight to the good stuff. Okay, so what do we got here?

Brian Hoyer [00:15:50]: So this is a brand new product that just released.

Ben Greenfield [00:15:53]: Oh, it's a. Is this like a USB charger with three prongs? Oh, thank you, man. You thought of everything. Thank you, sir.

Brian Hoyer [00:16:02]: Okay, yeah. So this is the actual safe charger. Those other ones are outlets you can install, your electrician can install in your house. This is.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:11]: Oh, sweet.

Brian Hoyer [00:16:12]: It grounded.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:13]: So you got three US normal USBs, USBC. And it's grounded.

Brian Hoyer [00:16:17]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:18]: Incredible. Wow. So I can be charging like multiple devices and everything's grounding. Because this is not a two prong, it's a three prong.

Brian Hoyer [00:16:25]: Exactly.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:25]: And most of them are two prong. Yeah, yeah, I love it.

Brian Hoyer [00:16:27]: And I'll show you the difference here because there's. There are three prong USBs out there.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:32]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:16:33]: But you can see this is three prong.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:40]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:16:40]: And it's got USB in it.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:42]: Okay. Is this. This. This big white thing? Is this yours?

Brian Hoyer [00:16:45]: No, this is just a random thing I got from the store.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:47]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:16:50]: But it's. It's got all kinds of electric fields.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:52]: It's like red level volt meter.

Brian Hoyer [00:16:54]: Yeah. So sometimes people will have this, like, plugged in right next to their bed, charging their phone.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:58]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:16:59]: And it's creating a body voltage that's. That's like extremely high. Okay, now if we just.

Ben Greenfield [00:17:04]: You mean take this one out?

Brian Hoyer [00:17:06]: Yeah. Well, let's just. Let's do it. Yeah, we can take this out.

Ben Greenfield [00:17:09]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:17:12]: So when you plug it in here. This one?

Ben Greenfield [00:17:15]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:17:15]: I'll use the same cable, plug it in here, and there's nothing.

Ben Greenfield [00:17:21]: My goodness. So if it. But it doesn't need to be plugged into this. Right. Can I unplug this and plug it straight into the outlet here?

Brian Hoyer [00:17:29]: Yep.

Ben Greenfield [00:17:32]: It's even lower.

Brian Hoyer [00:17:34]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:17:35]: Dude, that is sick.

Brian Hoyer [00:17:36]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:17:37]: I mean, the kind of things I get excited about. This is the kind of stuff I get excited about. Dude. Incredible. Thank you. What an amazing gift. My sleep scores are gonna go from 95 to, like, 99 now. Wow.

Ben Greenfield [00:17:47]: Super cool. Oh, my gosh. Okay. This is good to know.

Brian Hoyer [00:17:52]: Yeah. And that's. And that's the same technology that's in your. The ones that are in your wall, too.

Ben Greenfield [00:17:57]: Yeah, this is built into the wall right now in the bedroom. But if someone didn't have that built in, that would be a really good.

Brian Hoyer [00:18:02]: Yeah, you can just use that. And actually the other.

Ben Greenfield [00:18:05]: I've got travel with that.

Brian Hoyer [00:18:06]: Yeah, yeah, it's great for travel. The other one, that one's called the Hub model. The other one is called the Ultra Mac model.

Ben Greenfield [00:18:15]: Oh, it's two different ones in here.

Brian Hoyer [00:18:16]: There's two different ones? Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:18:17]: Oh, okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:18:19]: So this other one is here we do the knife thing again. This other one is called the Ultra Mac. And I called it that because it's. You can charge, like, your Ultrabooks or MacBooks with it.

Ben Greenfield [00:18:34]: No way.

Brian Hoyer [00:18:36]: And it grounds.

Ben Greenfield [00:18:36]: Oh, my gosh.

Brian Hoyer [00:18:37]: It grounds it. So you plug it right into the USB C. Sweet. And you can plug. It's a 63 watt charger. They're both fast chargers, by the way.

Ben Greenfield [00:18:45]: Oh, my gosh. This is. This is cool. Wow. Okay. By the way, I think, again, we didn't plan this out very well, but I think I have some kind of a discount code people can use at your shop.

Brian Hoyer [00:18:56]: Oh, yeah?

Ben Greenfield [00:18:56]: Yeah. Okay. I'll Put it. I'll put that in the show notes. Awesome, dude. Wow. All right, well, we're pretty excited. Okay, cool.

Ben Greenfield [00:19:07]: Okay, so. And then we've got this. Obviously this is kind of a different category. It's lighting. We should show people what this does, though.

Brian Hoyer [00:19:16]: Oh, yeah, we're gonna show this.

Ben Greenfield [00:19:17]: Should we use. I think I can use this. So we talked about lighting, right? You want circadian friendly lighting, obviously, as I've talked about on other podcasts. Even Brian and I talked about this in the last podcast that we did. Ideally, as much natural bright light, including the blue light spectrum and all the spectrums during the day with as little flicker and EMF as possible. And then absence of those bright lights that suppress melatonin and can disrupt your sleep as the day progresses into evening. So this light. Let's see.

Ben Greenfield [00:19:53]: I flip it on. Okay. So I'm going to flip this kitchen light on once. This is one of those houses where I just moved in a few weeks ago. So I'm still. Still learning which. Okay, so go ahead and shine or put the camera on that light so you can see how bright it is. You see that? What is that you're holding up, Brian?

Brian Hoyer [00:20:12]: This is a light spectrometer.

Ben Greenfield [00:20:14]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:20:14]: So you can see that's the light that this light is producing. Actually, you've got the blue spectrum and you want blue light during the day because that helps you build serotonin.

Ben Greenfield [00:20:27]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:20:28]: And so you've got that. And it's got a lot of red, though, as well. Now what it's missing is the infrared, which we're going to address later. We haven't installed all the bulbs in this room yet.

Ben Greenfield [00:20:38]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:20:39]: But what's really nice about these is they are adjustable. Most. Most LEDs like this. I'm gonna flip this off.

Ben Greenfield [00:20:45]: Okay. I'll flip the light off. And then all I'm gonna do is.

Brian Hoyer [00:20:47]: Flip it on again and it changes.

Ben Greenfield [00:20:50]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:20:51]: So now we've reduced all that blue light to a nice warm.

Ben Greenfield [00:20:54]: And this would be like around like four or five twilight. Ish.

Brian Hoyer [00:20:59]: Yep.

Ben Greenfield [00:21:00]: Okay. And then this is cool. That ain't all, folks. And turn it off again. And then turn it on.

Brian Hoyer [00:21:05]: And now it's orange. And we're going to have a little bit of blue light because we have natural light coming in.

Ben Greenfield [00:21:11]: But normally that's coming in from the windows.

Brian Hoyer [00:21:12]: Yeah. So. But normally it's all the way. No blue whatsoever.

Ben Greenfield [00:21:15]: This is time for bed when you're having dinner, 8pm Whatever. Then you've got relative absence of blue light. And now you're moving into the red light. But you said not the infrared spectrum.

Brian Hoyer [00:21:27]: Not the infrared. Which is why we want to add some incandescents, which we're going to add.

Ben Greenfield [00:21:33]: Right. That's. That's that beautiful chandelier. My wife's going to flip out that we're filming an unfinished chandelier, but this one will have the infrared. So when you're dining in the evening in the Greenfield home, let's say it's pretend. It's like 7:30pm here, we'd have these lights on red mode. And then to get as close to kind of like a sunset ish type of full red light spectrum as possible, the chandelier will use infrared. You have an example of what that looks like.

Brian Hoyer [00:22:00]: I've got a little.

Ben Greenfield [00:22:01]: Which Trump just made far easier to get, I think, allegedly. I don't want this to get all pulled out.

Brian Hoyer [00:22:06]: There were loopholes already. I mean, I was planning on incorporating some of these, actually. This is a brand new prototype of a chandelier bulb that I'm designing. So we'll.

Ben Greenfield [00:22:17]: Super cool. And that one's infrared.

Brian Hoyer [00:22:19]: This one's infrared. It's actually halogen.

Ben Greenfield [00:22:21]: So when you hear about infrared, we're talking like 6,50 to 8 20ish nanometers.

Brian Hoyer [00:22:29]: Yeah, well, it starts around 7. 7. Yeah, 650 to 700. So this is the light. This is the orange lights above. And then you'll see, like, this is what a halogen light does. Oh.

Ben Greenfield [00:22:40]: So now we're all the way up into the higher spectrums. So that 7:36. Eight. Oh, 7:8.

Brian Hoyer [00:22:48]: Yeah. All the way up to 950.

Ben Greenfield [00:22:50]: 950, yeah. So essentially.

Brian Hoyer [00:22:52]: And it goes beyond that, too.

Ben Greenfield [00:22:53]: The idea is we're exposing our body to as natural a spectrum of light frequencies as possible while indoors.

Brian Hoyer [00:22:59]: Yeah. This. And this measures where that stops. So this is a power meter, like you'd use in a, you know, on a. On a red light panel or whatever for, you know. Yeah, irradiance. So this is watts per meter squared. And you can see, like, how many watts you'd get from.

Brian Hoyer [00:23:16]: You know, we're up to 200. But in the house, we're not getting anything from these LEDs.

Ben Greenfield [00:23:21]: Right.

Brian Hoyer [00:23:21]: So when we combine them, you can see we're getting more close to what the spectrum of the sun would be.

Ben Greenfield [00:23:29]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:23:30]: So what I want to show you.

Ben Greenfield [00:23:30]: Guys, I think a lot of people don't realize this. Just because you add red lights to a sleeping area doesn't mean you're getting infrared.

Brian Hoyer [00:23:37]: Right? Yeah, yeah. So I want to. What I want to show is like, let's compare this to nature. That's what the whole. The whole business is all about anyway. It's like we're trying to get more ancestral, to awaken these dormant healing responses in the body and trying to match the inside environment with what we experience.

Ben Greenfield [00:23:55]: When you say comparative nature, meaning we could take these meters outside. Yeah, you wanna do that?

Brian Hoyer [00:23:59]: Yeah, let's do that.

Ben Greenfield [00:24:00]: Cool. Let's do it. All right, here we go.

Brian Hoyer [00:24:02]: So what I wanna show here is. Okay, I'm gonna retake the reading outside. You can see we're getting like 450, 470, 500 watts per meter squared. This is 1000 to 1700 nanometers on this one. You can see. I mean, we could go inside again and probably get.

Ben Greenfield [00:24:25]: That screen will stay up if we go inside, right?

Brian Hoyer [00:24:27]: Yeah, yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:24:27]: Okay, let's go inside.

Brian Hoyer [00:24:34]: There we go.

Ben Greenfield [00:24:39]: Wow.

Brian Hoyer [00:24:39]: You can see it's just straight across. It's got all the infrared balanced with the blue in nature. We always have blue with infrared. Yeah, Blue can. Blue and UV can be oxidizing by themselves. That's why in the tanning bed, you can get burned a lot easier than you do outside.

Ben Greenfield [00:24:56]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:24:56]: Especially if you're avoiding seed oils and doing all the proper, you know, fatty acid balancing. And getting the light exposure in the morning.

Ben Greenfield [00:25:06]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:25:06]: You know.

Ben Greenfield [00:25:07]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:25:07]: Then you're getting the red light in the morning.

Ben Greenfield [00:25:09]: Why? Some of. Some of these light panel companies are now doing like infrared red light and UVA UVB all together. I actually have one on the office now I've been messing around with, so. Amazing.

Brian Hoyer [00:25:19]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:25:19]: Wow.

Brian Hoyer [00:25:20]: Now, what a lot of people don't realize is they think, oh, I've got plenty of natural light. I'm getting a lot because it's, you know, I've got all these windows, and you've got a lot of windows in this space. And you're getting a lot of natural visible light. Right. But it is blocking infrared. So this is the reading from outside.

Ben Greenfield [00:25:34]: So even windows will block the infrared. Now watch what it looked like outside. So pretty much you were standing just outside that door. So this is going to be pretty similar to what you would have been getting right outside that door. But now you're showing what happens when you introduce the window.

Brian Hoyer [00:25:48]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:25:48]: Oh, my gosh.

Brian Hoyer [00:25:50]: So like, it basically.

Ben Greenfield [00:25:51]: So windows act like. Basically like high red light spectrum frequency sunglasses.

Brian Hoyer [00:25:56]: Exactly.

Ben Greenfield [00:25:57]: Even though they don't. It looks totally clear. Like, you wouldn't know that unless you measure that with a meter. That's crazy.

Brian Hoyer [00:26:03]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:26:03]: Especially when you consider, like driving in your car outside.

Brian Hoyer [00:26:06]: And this has come in through the window. Yeah. And this has the higher spectrum infrared. You can see we're getting about 10 watts per meter squared on this, but if we open up, we're getting 550 without.

Ben Greenfield [00:26:20]: You just can't compete with God.

Brian Hoyer [00:26:22]: No.

Ben Greenfield [00:26:22]: When it comes to light piece. Jeez.

Brian Hoyer [00:26:24]: I mean, the sun, you know, all the things that we do inside to try to help improve it, like, it's the bare minimum of what we can do. The sun is so powerful.

Ben Greenfield [00:26:31]: Even on a cloudy day.

Brian Hoyer [00:26:33]: Even on a cloudy day, you're getting so much infrared.

Ben Greenfield [00:26:36]: Wow.

Brian Hoyer [00:26:37]: So, but, but at least we can try to mimic it as much as possible. And that's what we've done here with this baseline structure of flicker-free. We haven't talked about flicker yet, but flicker-free lighting that doesn't have a lot of blue spectrum, or you're experiencing the blue at the right time of day and you have the ability to adjust it right at the light switch.

Ben Greenfield [00:26:58]: Yeah. Quick question about flicker. We briefly talked about this in the last podcast. The idea of lights to flicker and cause this low level retinal irritation that can result in brain fog and disruption of sleep rhythms, etc. I, I have OLED for my televisions and I heard that slower flicker. Is that true at all, do you think?

Brian Hoyer [00:27:18]: It depends. Like, I've tested some that are like, really good.

Ben Greenfield [00:27:22]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:27:22]: And then there's some TVs that like, it really depends on the hardware.

Ben Greenfield [00:27:26]: Do you have a flicker tester here?

Brian Hoyer [00:27:28]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:27:28]: Oh, we could test this. Test flicker and super fancy OLED television upstairs. We should test it.

Brian Hoyer [00:27:33]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:27:34]: Okay, cool.

Brian Hoyer [00:27:34]: And test that. Cool. For sure. So here, let me just test the sun real quick. It's hard because it's. So there's no flicker in the sun. That's a straight line across the top. Probably kind of hard to see, but it'll.

Brian Hoyer [00:27:50]: I'll get my other meter here in a minute and we'll show you again. And let's see, so these lights right now.

Ben Greenfield [00:27:58]: Oh, this one right here is measuring flicker.

Brian Hoyer [00:28:00]: Yeah. That has a flicker meter.

Ben Greenfield [00:28:01]: What's this meter called? Like, can people, if they want to like, just buy that online?

Brian Hoyer [00:28:07]: No, I don't know where they sell it. I, I got it directly from the manufacturer in China. And yeah, I guess you can go to hopoocolor.com hopoocolor.com,. yeah, they probably do sell here.

Ben Greenfield [00:28:21]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:28:22]: But I think it's. It's around toilet manufacturer $1500-$1800 for this meter.

Ben Greenfield [00:28:26]: Oh, my gosh. It's not inexpensive.

Brian Hoyer [00:28:29]: And then let's see where's.

Ben Greenfield [00:28:31]: Kind of makes me appreciate this full lineup of meters a little bit more. Cost of that. Jeez, what's this one?

Brian Hoyer [00:28:38]: So this one measures flicker as well. This actually measures a lot of different things.

Ben Greenfield [00:28:41]: Electric 5G flicker.

Brian Hoyer [00:28:43]: It measures wireless radiation. You can see we're not getting any flicker here. Now, what's ironic about this spectrum analyzer is that it has a really high frequency of flicker on the screen. Oh, so that's what that. That's why it's a high sound.

Ben Greenfield [00:28:58]: Because it's kind of ironic that the flicker meter has high flicker on the screen.

Brian Hoyer [00:29:01]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:29:02]: Yeah, do that. When. When you see all of these, like, overlays that you can put on an iPhone or like filtering paper you can put on a computer monitor, do those just block blue light, or is there a way to block flicker by placing an overlay over top of the screen, do you think?

Brian Hoyer [00:29:21]: There's not really a way to block flicker? Because if you can imagine having sunglasses and somebody having a strobe light in your face.

Ben Greenfield [00:29:27]: The intensity of the light would be reduced, but the strobing would still be an issue.

Brian Hoyer [00:29:31]: Yeah, the strobing, exactly. Yeah. So you can. And like, sunglasses around flickering light can help because it does reduce the intensity, like you just said. Yeah, but you still can't completely eliminate flicker with that. It has to be in the hardware. Even some of these apps like Iris, they can't really reduce flicker.

Ben Greenfield [00:29:50]: Yeah, Iris is a great. If you guys haven't heard of Iris, I've got it installed on all my computers. It'll kind of reduce the color temperature and allow you to play with the monitor settings. You can even set it and forget it to kind of dim things depending on whatever area of the world you happen to be on. If you have location services on. But doesn't do flicker.

Brian Hoyer [00:30:08]: Doesn't do flicker. But a few years ago, I, you know, you asked for a recommendation on computer monitors.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:15]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:30:15]: And we talked about that. And I think you ended up getting.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:17]: Like a BenQ or BenQ and Eizo, I think were the two E, I, Z O, which is still what I have out in my office.

Brian Hoyer [00:30:24]: Okay.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:24]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:30:24]: And those ones have what's called eye care technology.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:27]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:30:28]: So there's Acer has eye care technology as well, and so does Asus.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:32]: Okay. So.

Brian Hoyer [00:30:33]: But you have to look for that eye care technology to get the flip.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:35]: And probably that new company, Daylight. All they're making right now is an iPad, but all it does is draw the light from the ambient environment. I did a podcast with them. I'll link to in the show notes. But they make iPads that are like flicker-free, low EMF, low blue light. That's what I use instead of a Kindle now for my nighttime reading.

Brian Hoyer [00:30:53]: That's great.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:54]: So we talked about the flooring, we talked about the walls, we talked about some of the lighting strategies. What are some of the other things that we want to move on to here? As far as the cool little things you had us build into the home, working with the builder and the architect.

Brian Hoyer [00:31:09]: Yeah, let's talk about that. So we also need to talk about the electric fields. We did talk about the electric fields, but let's demo the electric fields. Cause just like we. Just like I showed you with that charger, like that's what's happening in the rest of normal houses and even this house. Like when you plug something in, there's gonna be an electric field coming out of that device. So when you ground the floors, it creates it. So that it creates a situation where the voltage from a device that's plugged in, like this air filter here, is going to come out.

Brian Hoyer [00:31:43]: But because the floor is grounded or if it's near a wall that's grounded, it's going to almost like attract that electric field away from this other space, this other area.

Ben Greenfield [00:31:54]: Okay, so makes sense.

Brian Hoyer [00:31:56]: As you get close to something that's plugged in, you can hear that that buzzing sound is the 60 hertz and.

Ben Greenfield [00:32:05]: That is the electrical field.

Brian Hoyer [00:32:07]: That's the electrical field, yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:32:09]: And is that an issue?

Brian Hoyer [00:32:12]: Well, if we were out here, we don't really have any exposure to it.

Ben Greenfield [00:32:18]: Is there like something that you could plug that into between it and the outlet to lower that?

Brian Hoyer [00:32:24]: The issue is the cable. Okay, so if we look at this cable though, there might be a. Let me unplug.

Ben Greenfield [00:32:33]: Do they sell, I'm assuming, like shielding cables that you could use as alternates for devices like this.

Brian Hoyer [00:32:39]: Yeah, yeah, I actually sell those and have engineered those on my website.

Ben Greenfield [00:32:44]: What if some of these. Of course you have. What if. What if some of these are. Oh, because I was gonna say what about something that you could like wrap around the cable itself?

Brian Hoyer [00:32:54]: We've got that too. I just. I just. Actually, this is brand new news. I haven't said this to anybody or announced this anywhere, so we'll do it on your podcast.

Ben Greenfield [00:33:02]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:33:03]: I just bought the Electro Health company.

Ben Greenfield [00:33:06]: What's that?

Brian Hoyer [00:33:07]: Electro Health is a EMF company and they. They sell, like, this little sheath that goes around cables.

Ben Greenfield [00:33:13]: Oh, incredible.

Brian Hoyer [00:33:14]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:33:14]: So we could basically go to all the little biohacks in the house that didn't come with cables like this and either replace them with the shielded healing cables or use the wraparound stuff. Yep. That's amazing. All right. Yeah, noted. This one's called that to my list of things to do.

Brian Hoyer [00:33:28]: So it's called a C5 or a Mickey Mouse plug.

Ben Greenfield [00:33:31]: Mm.

Brian Hoyer [00:33:31]: And because it looks like Mickey Mouse.

Ben Greenfield [00:33:33]: Yeah, yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:33:34]: But, yeah, you just replace this. I've got a white one on the website right now.

Ben Greenfield [00:33:38]: Easy. Noted. So basically, if somebody has a bunch of stuff plugged in, even if they've got, like, a shielded home, they want to take into consideration all that stuff they might be putting in the home afterwards. I didn't even think about that.

Brian Hoyer [00:33:52]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:33:53]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:33:53]: Basically, we want to continue the shielding out in any area where there's cables or electrical going towards your body.

Ben Greenfield [00:34:00]: Blenders, toasters, anything.

Brian Hoyer [00:34:02]: Yeah, those, like blenders and toasters and stuff are less important, especially in your situation where you have, like, you know, them on the wall. And, like, if there's a ground running.

Ben Greenfield [00:34:12]: Temporarily versus something like a standalone HEPA.

Brian Hoyer [00:34:15]: Filter that's kind of on all the time. Yeah. What we definitely want to avoid is like. Like, say, this filter or there's a lamp plugged in next to the couch or something.

Ben Greenfield [00:34:25]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:34:25]: Then that's gonna be buzzing.

Ben Greenfield [00:34:27]: Something constantly plugged in near to a place where you're standing statically next to that thing.

Brian Hoyer [00:34:31]: Exactly.

Ben Greenfield [00:34:32]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:34:32]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:34:33]: Okay. Got it.

Brian Hoyer [00:34:34]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:34:34]: All right, so what other testing do we do?

Brian Hoyer [00:34:36]: Well, I think we should go up to the master bedroom.

Ben Greenfield [00:34:40]: Oh, yeah, the sleeping space. He's gonna flip out over all the stuff I have plugged in next to my bed.

Brian Hoyer [00:34:46]: I guarantee.

Ben Greenfield [00:34:48]: All right, let's do it. All right. Find out if my wife is satisfied with the way that I made the bed today. She's not home right now, so do not judge, folks. She's a much better bed maker than I am. All right.

Brian Hoyer [00:35:02]: All right. So we do have a little bit of buzzing going on.

Ben Greenfield [00:35:09]: Yep. And I've got basically the stuff I have plugged in next to the bed. I've got, like, a PEMF mat underneath my top sheet.

Brian Hoyer [00:35:17]: Okay.

Ben Greenfield [00:35:17]: That's plugged in. I've got a humidifier. It's plugged in. I've got. You are going to be proud of me for this. There's an Ethernet cable behind the bed with Ethernet to USB C adapter. My wife's got an old school iPhone. So hers is the Ethernet to lightning adapter.

Ben Greenfield [00:35:35]: But basically when I'm laying in bed. Not that I ever like, open Instagram or YouTube laying in bed at night, but let's just say, theoretically that were to happen. I can still have my phone in airplane mode, which is kind of cool. I do the same thing in my office, by the way. Yeah, it's great.

Brian Hoyer [00:35:50]: A lot of people don't know you can do that. You can actually get an adapter, connect it to your phone.

Ben Greenfield [00:35:55]: The only thing you can't do is like, outbound calls. Right. Which is fine.

Brian Hoyer [00:35:59]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:00]: Because I usually go outside and go for a walk to make calls anyway, so.

Brian Hoyer [00:36:03]: But you can like, through Signal or WhatsApp, you can make calls with that.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:07]: That's true. You can. Yep. Anything that would normally like wifi calling you can use. Even though the native phone wifi calling doesn't allow you to call through ethernet, you can use Signal or WhatsApp to do it.

Brian Hoyer [00:36:17]: Yep.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:18]: Pro tip. Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:36:20]: All right, so what we want to do is we want to test your electro stress.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:26]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:36:26]: Okay. That's what this. I say that because this is a German meter.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:30]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:36:30]: And you can see here. You can zoom in on that. I like this one because it actually has a sound with it.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:38]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:36:40]: And so, like, if we test.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:43]: So is this test.

Brian Hoyer [00:36:44]: This will test your body.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:45]: My body?

Brian Hoyer [00:36:46]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:46]: So do I need to, like, lay on the bed?

Brian Hoyer [00:36:48]: Go ahead and hop on the bed.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:49]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:36:49]: It's getting intimate now.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:51]: All right.

Brian Hoyer [00:36:53]: And just touch the tip of that probe there.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:55]: Okay. I'm gonna shock me. Is it. No, I can take it.

Brian Hoyer [00:37:04]: I'll leave the sound on here.

Ben Greenfield [00:37:05]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:37:06]: All right, so let's just.

Ben Greenfield [00:37:07]: Is that sound picking up on the mic? Can you hear a little bit of static? Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:37:11]: Yeah. All right, so I'm gonna unplug a few things over here.

Ben Greenfield [00:37:14]: Okay. It's kind of funny because if you go to my wife's side of the bed, there's nothing. My side has all this.

Brian Hoyer [00:37:23]: Okay. So now we're all the way down to zero just with that one thing unplugged.

Ben Greenfield [00:37:26]: You just unplugged the, like, the little power strip that much stuff's plugged into, probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:37:34]: Looks like that's a shielded power strip, but there's a bunch of other cables plugged into that coming out of it.

Ben Greenfield [00:37:40]: And those other cables might not be shielded.

Brian Hoyer [00:37:42]: Right.

Ben Greenfield [00:37:42]: Including which we established in the kitchen, including this.

Brian Hoyer [00:37:46]: So we got like a little.

Ben Greenfield [00:37:47]: Careful. There's a gun under there. Proceed with caution.

Brian Hoyer [00:37:52]: Proceed with caution. Do not.

Ben Greenfield [00:37:54]: Since we're showing everybody what my house looks like, you know, every burglar is going to know where all the. Where all the entrances are. Don't worry, folks. There's guns and Brian has a knife. All right, that's what we got.

Brian Hoyer [00:38:04]: Well, like, this is an easy fix, right?

Ben Greenfield [00:38:06]: Right? You just gave me a Christmas present to fix that. That's where my iPhone plugs in at night.

Brian Hoyer [00:38:09]: Yeah, yeah, easy. So that's. That's an easy fix. And then we'll just kind of go through all these and then there's multiple things. Everything in here is USB, bro. Like, yeah, like all of this stuff is causing.

Ben Greenfield [00:38:21]: Don't judge me too harshly. I just Learned this like 15 minutes ago, dude.

Brian Hoyer [00:38:25]: Yeah, so we could fix every single thing here.

Ben Greenfield [00:38:28]: Yeah, just use those special doohickeys and then. What are they called again? Those things that you make?

Brian Hoyer [00:38:33]: They're called doohickeys.

Ben Greenfield [00:38:34]: No, no, the.

Brian Hoyer [00:38:36]: The safe chargers.

Ben Greenfield [00:38:37]: Safe chargers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:38:39]: Okay, so that's good.

Ben Greenfield [00:38:42]: Cool.

Brian Hoyer [00:38:42]: And then the only thing left is just the Purewave. And this has a cable that can be replaced with a shielded cable here. And then the only issue we might have is this itself that's producing an electric field.

Ben Greenfield [00:38:56]: Granted, that's not running all night. I run it for 20 minutes in the evening and 20 minutes in the morning when I wake up, but it's plugged in all night, so it's still an issue.

Brian Hoyer [00:39:04]: Yeah. So what we would do is we can. There's like these little things off of Amazon. You can get their remote switches, like cut off switches.

Ben Greenfield [00:39:13]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:39:14]: You just plug the PEMF into that. When you're done, you just click it off.

Ben Greenfield [00:39:19]: Okay, sweet.

Brian Hoyer [00:39:20]: And then it'll cut off everything and you can leave all your. All your USB stuff.

Ben Greenfield [00:39:25]: So the way the remote switch works is if something is plugged into the wall, the remote switch is between that and the wall.

Brian Hoyer [00:39:32]: Or you'll just. You'll just plug it. Yeah, you'll plug in whatever it is you want to turn off into the remote switch. And then when you. It comes with the remote. So when you press.

Ben Greenfield [00:39:43]: Oh, it's an actual remote control.

Brian Hoyer [00:39:44]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:39:45]: So if I'm like super sleepy and I don't want to reach down there and fiddle around and unplug stuff. I've just got whatever. The remote up here and I can just.

Brian Hoyer [00:39:51]: Yeah, you click, click it off.

Ben Greenfield [00:39:52]: That's pretty cool.

Brian Hoyer [00:39:53]: And then it just base. It's like. It basically it's just like unplugging it.

Ben Greenfield [00:39:56]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:39:57]: Because it's cutting off the power.

Ben Greenfield [00:39:58]: Wow. Yeah, super cool.

Brian Hoyer [00:40:01]: Or if you don't even want to remember anything about that, just get a remote timer.

Ben Greenfield [00:40:05]: Timer.

Brian Hoyer [00:40:06]: You can get a timer and then it'll automatically shut off at a specified time.

Ben Greenfield [00:40:10]: Under the assumption that people are not building up social jet lag with inconsistent sleep and wake times. So yeah, by getting a timer, maybe you paint yourself into that corner. Consistent sleep wake times.

Brian Hoyer [00:40:22]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:40:23]: Did you know that there was a recent study that came out, and this backs up other research, that the sleep consistency is even more important than how long you sleep. Like going to like it is better for you to get like six hours of sleep and go to bed at 11pm and 5am every day than to get like seven hours but go to bed at 10pm some nights and 8pm other nights and midnight other nights.

Brian Hoyer [00:40:44]: Makes sense.

Ben Greenfield [00:40:45]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're creatures of rhythm. Yeah, awesome. Just destroyed everybody's party weekends.

Brian Hoyer [00:40:50]: All right, well I think like is that the same group of people that studied like that there's different types of circadian people. Like there's some people that are.

Ben Greenfield [00:40:59]: I don't know, I mean like Michael Bruce is the doctor who made sleep typing a thing like this idea of chronobiology. There's dolphins and lions and bears and wolves. Oh my. And people are hardwired to based on genes and well, primarily genes to operate best as like kind of like what we would normally call night owls and early. What? Early birds? Yeah, night owls and early birds. So my issue with that is how practical does that apply to a modern social environment in which let's say you are an early bird a lot of times modern life, social life, family does not allow you to go to bed at 8pm and get up at 4am every day. And that's where I think things like lighting, so called zeitgebers, timekeepers, incorporating those wisely, light, movement, food, temperature can allow you to almost like override your natural chronobiology and still kind of operate in a modern social environment. Because I just think the chronobiology is cool, but it's impractical for a lot of people if their lifestyle doesn't allow them to sleep.

Ben Greenfield [00:42:06]: According to the chronobiology.

Brian Hoyer [00:42:07]: Exactly. Yeah, yeah, that makes total sense because I think the idea I was thinking about was I don't remember which book it was in, but how our ancestors usually had somebody staying up, protecting, watching for predators and that kind of thing and that it's normal and you shouldn't like if you do have a tendency to stay up late, you shouldn't feel ashamed of, like, oh, I have to get to bed earlier because everybody fits inside this one box.

Ben Greenfield [00:42:32]: Or if you wake up in the wee hours and get up and get a few things done. There's many cultures and even a growing body of data indicating that many of our ancestors had a three to four hour cycle, would get up for one to two hours and then sleep again for three to four hours. Right. When it comes to the idea of the. What was I gonna say you were talking about before I mentioned? Oh, the genes. So the idea that some people would have been scouts. Cause I talk to a lot of entrepreneurial groups and many of my clients are entrepreneurs and executives. And when you test them, they have a certain gene variant for something called the COMT gene in which they clear dopamine less quickly.

Ben Greenfield [00:43:20]: These are the type of people that wake up at 3am with eight new business ideas. Many times they're the type of people who have like ruminating thoughts. They would have been great scouts. Protecting the village early in the day. Right. So it's interesting, there is a correlation. It's almost like the blessing and curse of being an entrepreneur, painting with a broad brush. A lot of entrepreneurs are, if you want to think about this, ancestrally hyper alert to dangers and enemies.

Ben Greenfield [00:43:44]: And that makes them really good at recognizing business opportunities and running a complex company. But then it doesn't do you a lot of favors in the sleep department because you don't need to be a scout protecting the village. It's at that point you want to sleep. So yeah, it's this constant uphill battle. If you're hardwired that way, it's solvable. But yeah, it is interesting.

Brian Hoyer [00:44:03]: Which it, you know, it kind of brings us back to this because like what one way that you can kind of fix that. And that's helped me tremendously because I am that entrepreneurial type that like I wake up with ideas in the middle of the night and I have to write it down otherwise I can't fall back asleep.

Ben Greenfield [00:44:18]: I get out of the head.

Brian Hoyer [00:44:19]: Yeah, you got to get out of the head. But also like all the outside stimulus, you know, like, like if you have a normal house here with Romex wiring behind the walls, that's not. You don't have the shielded conduit or you don't have the paint on the walls or whatever. You have this electrical stress that's literally buzzing you. Just like you've got cables plugged in all around your, your room.

Ben Greenfield [00:44:41]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:44:41]: And it's, it's pulsating your body at 60 hertz, that's 120 times back and forth per second on your cells.

Ben Greenfield [00:44:48]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:44:48]: And so that's increasing your cortisol. It's depleting your minerals because calcium.

Ben Greenfield [00:44:53]: Calcium flux into the cell.

Brian Hoyer [00:44:55]: Magnesium relaxes.

Ben Greenfield [00:44:57]: Right.

Brian Hoyer [00:44:58]: So it's depleting you and it's magnesium.

Ben Greenfield [00:45:00]: At night, raising your magnesium. Magnesium actually helps with. Magnesium helps when you're in a highly electrically charged environment because it offsets some of that calcium influx. Yep. You can make a case. And probably the person who's talked about this the most would be somebody like Mercola. In his book EMF, he talks about how ketones can be useful for that. Magnesium is another.

Ben Greenfield [00:45:21]: And molecular hydrogen. It's. Yeah, it's hydrogen. Yeah. Yeah. Like doing like the hydrogen tablets, hydrogen water. And then last thing Brian mentioned, like getting things out of your head. Real paper journal that you can actually write in.

Ben Greenfield [00:45:34]: Because your brain associates your phone oftentimes with work, getting things done and a dopamine release. So if you do need to get things out of your head, what I do is write them down at night. So this is red light. Right. So I can put this on. And this is not going to disrupt sleep if you don't have something like that. I've also got.

Brian Hoyer [00:45:53]: Where is it?

Ben Greenfield [00:45:54]: This guy. I'll flip something like this on at night. Right. So flip this on, do the little bit of writing. There's also a pen called the pilot pen. It's not red light, but it's a little bit of light that allows you to write on real paper. And then all I do is in the morning, I put that on my phone.

Brian Hoyer [00:46:11]: Yep.

Ben Greenfield [00:46:12]: And GPT is great now because now with GPT, you can just take a photo of it and it'll transcribe it all for you. Perfect. Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:46:17]: And by the way, with this light, if you're. If you have this light at home, you can plug it into a safe charger and keep it plugged in without having to worry about recharging it. It's still going to be zero EMF.

Ben Greenfield [00:46:29]: Yeah. Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:46:31]: So incredible.

Ben Greenfield [00:46:32]: Yeah. Awesome. All sorts of cool tips here, folks. I hope you're taking notes, but if you're not. BenGreenfieldLife.com/hometour is where the show notes are and we transcribe everything. We do a pretty good job with note taking. So. All right, what do we do now that we've learned? I've got to make some modifications to the bedroom.

Ben Greenfield [00:46:50]: Well, tangle of cables.

Brian Hoyer [00:46:52]: Yeah, we'll make some of those later after you open the rest of your gifts.

Ben Greenfield [00:46:54]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:46:57]: And that's, you know, I anticipated that like every time we do shielding of a house.

Ben Greenfield [00:47:01]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:47:01]: Or you know, where we're going through and refining fine tuning things, there's always little things.

Ben Greenfield [00:47:07]: Like people actually kind of like move in and eff it up with their actual life.

Brian Hoyer [00:47:10]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could say it that way.

Ben Greenfield [00:47:13]: Yeah. Highly scientific.

Brian Hoyer [00:47:15]: But we also want to make it convenient for you. You know, that's why we have to develop new products and technology that respects your biology.

Ben Greenfield [00:47:22]: Right.

Brian Hoyer [00:47:23]: That's the.

Ben Greenfield [00:47:23]: Yeah, it's actually a great business model, honestly, because people are buying stuff all the time and then you've got the products that people can then modify those products with to make them low EMF. Yeah, it's great.

Brian Hoyer [00:47:34]: Exactly.

Ben Greenfield [00:47:34]: Yeah, be the next billionaire. You mean the EMF billionaire. All right, so where do we, where do we go next?

Brian Hoyer [00:47:41]: Well, let's just keep testing around and listening to the sounds on these meters here.

Ben Greenfield [00:47:46]: Okay. Now, by the way, can I ask you a question just while I'm thinking of it? So we've got the shielded walls, but what about windows?

Brian Hoyer [00:47:58]: Good question. So what I want to show you is like, yeah, we've got, the walls are shielded, so we've got shielding paint behind all of the surfaces here in, in the room. So that's.

Ben Greenfield [00:48:11]: So like. But that's important too, because even though the wiring in our house is metal shielded, like when my head is up against this wall, depending on your sleeping environment, you're getting exposed to everything that's happening behind this wall. Right?

Brian Hoyer [00:48:25]: Yeah, you can, if there's, especially if there's other wires or conduct conductive non grounded things that are, that are behind the walls. But the wall, since it's grounded, it's always going to be zero, whereas like a normal wall is going to have something more similar to that. Yeah, on the wall. Yeah, the walls.

Ben Greenfield [00:48:49]: Is that an issue by the way, where you just did right there?

Brian Hoyer [00:48:51]: No, because it's not coming out.

Ben Greenfield [00:48:53]: Yeah, really close.

Brian Hoyer [00:48:54]: Yeah. We already, we tested your body voltage and it was all the way down to zero.

Ben Greenfield [00:48:58]: Yeah. Okay, but back to the windows, what do you do about those?

Brian Hoyer [00:49:02]: So the windows, since all, all of the surfaces here have shielding paint, they're reflecting away all the wireless radiation. The windows, you already have upgraded windows because they've got, they've got the, they've got low E, which is like a silver coating.

Ben Greenfield [00:49:19]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:49:20]: And that's a catch 22 because as we saw downstairs, it blocks the infrared, but it also dampens the wireless radiation.

Ben Greenfield [00:49:26]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:49:27]: So like when We. When we test, is this window open?

Ben Greenfield [00:49:32]: You got to unlock it right here. There.

Brian Hoyer [00:49:38]: Okay. Okay. So if we test outside, you can see that reading there is, like, 1700. Can you get that shot?

Ben Greenfield [00:49:48]: What's that measuring?

Brian Hoyer [00:49:49]: This is measuring wireless. So, like, if I turn the volume up here.

Ben Greenfield [00:49:55]: Where's that coming from?

Brian Hoyer [00:49:57]: From towers in the distance.

Ben Greenfield [00:49:59]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:50:00]: Yeah, we're up almost around 2000.

Ben Greenfield [00:50:02]: Crazy. Just imagine if we're in an urban environment.

Brian Hoyer [00:50:06]: Now, if I. Yeah, 2000 right there. If I come right here on the wall, it's lower.

Ben Greenfield [00:50:13]: Yep.

Brian Hoyer [00:50:15]: It's not as high as 2000.

Ben Greenfield [00:50:17]: Yeah, at least a thousand lower.

Brian Hoyer [00:50:20]: Cut it in half about.

Ben Greenfield [00:50:21]: And that's because of the silver on the windows.

Brian Hoyer [00:50:24]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:50:24]: I forget the brand. Do you remember the brand of these windows? People might ask, are they?

Brian Hoyer [00:50:30]: I would know.

Ben Greenfield [00:50:32]: Yeah. Yeah. I'll find it and put it in the show notes for you guys. The. The window brand that we used.

Brian Hoyer [00:50:38]: Okay. But like. Like, one of the things we recommend for windows is, you know, there's a window film you can get or there's.

Ben Greenfield [00:50:44]: Shielding fabric you can outfit an existing window. Yeah, yeah. And so, like, but then if you do that, you'd want to make sure you have infrared lighting in your bedroom.

Brian Hoyer [00:50:53]: Exactly. Yeah. And you've already got. Blocking a lot of the infrared with the. With the. With these types of windows. But, like, if you go over here to a corner where there's no leakage of frequencies, you can see how the reading goes rock bottom, way down. And it'll go even lower once we get these windows shielded with some kind of film or something.

Brian Hoyer [00:51:18]: Yeah, so. So the reading in the room is going to be, like, exponentially better once we cover. Cover these and shield them appropriately.

Ben Greenfield [00:51:28]: Okay. Go to sleep. My phone is transcribing you. Okay, got it. So.

Brian Hoyer [00:51:36]: And I remember when I was here for the site test, like, the further we went this way, was it this way or that way? Might have been. No, it was this way the further we went this way. There's a tower in the distance over there. So this hill is actually. This hill out here is actually protecting you from a lot of the frequencies on the other side of that hill from the towers and things.

Ben Greenfield [00:51:56]: So while we're on the subject of towers, I have a question for you. We live in an area, as I know some listeners probably do, where there's very poor cell phone reception. After moving in, I realized that this was an issue because I can't have my phone attached to an Ethernet cable everywhere. Like, let's say I'm wandering around the living room, talking to somebody, walking paces around the couch, which I sometimes do. So I needed better cell phone coverage. So I got a Verizon cell booster. And when I installed it, I thought, next time Brian's up, we should actually test this to see what a cell booster does. Yeah, so we should test that so you can call your cell phone company if you have poor cell coverage.

Ben Greenfield [00:52:36]: And they actually sent my first one for free. I had to put another one out in the office. But this is like our coverage is with Verizon. So essentially this is plugged in via an ethernet cable into the wall. And then essentially it boosts the cell signal. There's a wire or cable coming out of this that then kind of like sticks to a window. So it's got a good view of the cell tower, which is great. Took me from one and no bar in some areas of the house to four to five bars.

Ben Greenfield [00:53:07]: But what I'm wondering what Brian's gonna be able to test is, okay, what's this due to the EMF environment? I'm just curious how big of a problem these cell boosters are, and if they are a big problem, what we can do about it. So let's see what Brian has to say. So this is the cell booster. I was explaining to people that, you know, cell phone company will send these to you if you're getting low bars. It gives me now like four bars of coverage. But I'm curious what it does and if it's high, if there's anything we can do.

Brian Hoyer [00:53:33]: Oh, yeah, it's maxing out this meter. Yeah, it says Max Messer Bereich, which is German.

Ben Greenfield [00:53:42]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:53:42]: So I don't know what that means, but it's high. And that's because we're right here. We're right by it.

Ben Greenfield [00:53:48]: Right. But my wife does do art up here. So we're gonna do another thing here. I'm gonna take off my EMF modulating necklace. Just curious, does this do anything to change it at all? Make it dent? No.

Brian Hoyer [00:54:06]: Yeah, take it away.

Ben Greenfield [00:54:11]: Doesn't seem to do too much.

Brian Hoyer [00:54:13]: No. You can see it's on this meter. We're up around. Yeah, 6,000. If you go right up by it, it's gonna almost match. Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:54:23]: Wait, leave it there. Leave it there right where you left it. Okay, so it's bouncing around up in the nine thousands. If I move this here, it actually does make a little bit of a dent. Huh. I mean, I know you've talked about these before, Brian, and you don't think they're worth anything at all. But it does because I put a sticker on one of them and use my own little at home meter and it seemed to do something well. Here, see?

Brian Hoyer [00:54:48]: Now take, now put your hand there instead and leave the thing away.

Ben Greenfield [00:54:52]: Good, Good idea. You're a scientist. Oh, yeah. So it's my body that's taking away that voltage.

Brian Hoyer [00:54:57]: Yep.

Ben Greenfield [00:54:58]: Okay, interesting. Although, you know, the other option is here, actually. One more. One more to be a true scientist. Okay, there's that without my body. But your hands are still there. But your hands were always there. So.

Ben Greenfield [00:55:11]: Okay, so we're getting up in the.

Brian Hoyer [00:55:13]: No, it's more.

Ben Greenfield [00:55:14]: Okay, so getting up in the 9,000 and take this off. Yeah. Not, not a big dent.

Brian Hoyer [00:55:24]: No.

Ben Greenfield [00:55:26]: Well, it's still a pretty piece of jewelry.

Brian Hoyer [00:55:28]: It is pretty. And if you like it, keep wearing it.

Ben Greenfield [00:55:32]: Placebo effect. Right. All right, cool. So anything that one could do, obviously we can't put in a Faraday cage because that kind of.

Brian Hoyer [00:55:40]: Yeah. Defeat the purpose.

Ben Greenfield [00:55:41]: Defeats the purpose of having it.

Brian Hoyer [00:55:42]: Well, I've got, I'll do this test later. It's a little more complicated. I have to connect it to, to my phone. But I have this, this meter that you can actually measure the, the reception of all the different carriers in the area.

Ben Greenfield [00:55:57]: Oh.

Brian Hoyer [00:55:57]: And so like if, if we shut this off, I could see like what the reception would be like for Verizon. T Mobile.

Ben Greenfield [00:56:04]: Right. You shut it off. Or you could like walk, like do it out there where you're not really getting much coverage from this thing.

Brian Hoyer [00:56:10]: Yeah. And then I can see which carrier you're getting the best reception with. Oh, and that's incredible.

Ben Greenfield [00:56:14]: They make something like that.

Brian Hoyer [00:56:15]: Yeah. And then we can.

Ben Greenfield [00:56:16]: Wish I'd have known about that.

Brian Hoyer [00:56:17]: You can switch carriers.

Ben Greenfield [00:56:19]: Of course, a lot of these companies now they're doing deals with Starlink. So I think T Mobile just did a deal with Starlink. I think Verizon announced that they're good. So it might be a moot point.

Brian Hoyer [00:56:28]: Exactly.

Ben Greenfield [00:56:28]: Then everybody's going to have the ability to use their current cell phone carrier with Starlink, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. What's that one called that you can.

Brian Hoyer [00:56:36]: It's called the Wilson Pro.

Ben Greenfield [00:56:38]: The Wilson Pro is this one that people can buy.

Brian Hoyer [00:56:40]: You can buy it. It's meant for people. I use it the opposite way. It's meant for people to install these. Oh, because.

Ben Greenfield [00:56:48]: What do you mean you use it the opposite way?

Brian Hoyer [00:56:49]: I use it the opposite way because I use it to, to see like how much exposure we have from the towers and then we do shielding, and then I'll test after and see how much it's been reduced.

Ben Greenfield [00:57:01]: So it was made to see if you can get good cell phone coverage from a tower, but you use it instead to see how much damage you would be getting from being in a specific location relative to that.

Brian Hoyer [00:57:10]: Yeah. And how well our shield. How effective our shielding is.

Ben Greenfield [00:57:12]: Interesting.

Brian Hoyer [00:57:13]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:57:13]: Okay, cool. Wow. Man, this. This is incredible. So where to next? What else do we need to show here to folks that you think would be interesting?

Brian Hoyer [00:57:22]: Well, I think if we go downstairs, we can. We can talk about magnetic fields a little bit.

Ben Greenfield [00:57:28]: Magnetic fields. Okay, so we've got a whole different field besides the electrical fields.

Brian Hoyer [00:57:33]: Yep.

Ben Greenfield [00:57:34]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:57:35]: We got electrical fields. We've got. We have magnetic fields. We have the wireless high frequency fields.

Ben Greenfield [00:57:42]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:57:42]: And then we also have dirty electricity, which we haven't talked about. And, yeah, we'll start with the magnetic fields.

Ben Greenfield [00:57:53]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [00:57:54]: So this. This meter measures 60 Hz AC magnetic fields. And we would like this number to be 0.3 or less for bedrooms or places where you have, you know, parasympathetic healing happening.

Ben Greenfield [00:58:13]: And the magnetic fields would be coming from the wiring.

Brian Hoyer [00:58:16]: From wiring. Okay. Or motors running.

Ben Greenfield [00:58:18]: Okay. Dishwasher.

Brian Hoyer [00:58:20]: Dishwasher. If we go near the fridge over here, we might be able.

Ben Greenfield [00:58:23]: Oh, yeah.

Brian Hoyer [00:58:24]: If it's running, we might get a little larger of a magnetic field. I don't know. I think the motor's on the top on these ones. It's not too bad, but it's not bad right now. It might not be running at all.

Ben Greenfield [00:58:37]: Well, I mean, the refrigerator is on, so. What do you mean it might.

Brian Hoyer [00:58:41]: Well, the motor will cycle, so.

Ben Greenfield [00:58:43]: Oh, I see what you're saying.

Brian Hoyer [00:58:45]: So if we.

Ben Greenfield [00:58:49]: What about the.

Brian Hoyer [00:58:50]: You got to see this. There's red light on the top here.

Ben Greenfield [00:58:53]: Oh, yeah. I went through my whole house. I put red light film on anything that emits a high amount of blue light. So if you kind of closely observe as you wander through my house, everything. So, like, if you show this with.

Brian Hoyer [00:59:06]: The camera, like, hey, you went up to Sandpoint recently?

Ben Greenfield [00:59:11]: That was Jessa's friend who went to. Is that in Sandpoint?

Brian Hoyer [00:59:13]: Yeah, Winter Ridge.

Ben Greenfield [00:59:14]: Good. Chocolate torte.

Brian Hoyer [00:59:15]: Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, that's my town. I come there almost every day.

Ben Greenfield [00:59:19]: Yeah, so see this? This is like red film. I go through every place of the house and make sure it's covered. Anything that has, like, a blue light screen is covered with red film. Just an easy, easy hack. You can just buy red film on Amazon, and then you just lay it out over anything that emits a lot of blue light. So you'll find that all over the house.

Brian Hoyer [00:59:38]: Perfect.

Ben Greenfield [00:59:40]: What about the. You could measure the air filter. Yeah, that'll have some. That's obviously running.

Brian Hoyer [00:59:48]: Hold on. Sometimes, like, these little screens will have a. Yep.

Ben Greenfield [00:59:53]: Is the oven on? You might have the oven on.

Brian Hoyer [00:59:56]: Yeah, the oven.

Ben Greenfield [00:59:56]: So the oven's. The oven's emitting a little bit. Is that concerning levels? Like, are you concerned when you go through a house? Because obviously, you know, appliances are going to produce a magnetic field.

Brian Hoyer [01:00:06]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:00:07]: There's not much you can do about that though, is there?

Brian Hoyer [01:00:09]: No, there's not. Typically.

Ben Greenfield [01:00:11]: Obviously not sleeping next to the oven. So.

Brian Hoyer [01:00:13]: Yeah, if someone's really sensitive and they want to get an oven where, like, the components are kind of on the back end or. Or somewhere separate, then that's, you know, sometimes we'll recommend that, but for this, it's like you're not going to be standing here for like, hours, you know. But what we will do is we'll say, okay, don't.

Ben Greenfield [01:00:33]: It is on. It looks like my son. My son's cooking something, so.

Brian Hoyer [01:00:37]: Cooking some salmon. It's smells really good, actually.

Ben Greenfield [01:00:39]: I know. Making me hungry.

Brian Hoyer [01:00:41]: But like, if you're. If you do have to stand someplace and we'd usually test and say, okay, well, if you're going to, like, some of them will be electric stoves.

Ben Greenfield [01:00:49]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [01:00:49]: It'll be like, stand on this side when you're cooking if you're going to be there for a long time.

Ben Greenfield [01:00:53]: Right.

Brian Hoyer [01:00:53]: Otherwise, like, you just back up.

Ben Greenfield [01:00:56]: Yeah. By the way, you know, the reason I have a standalone filter in here is because the fans on most stoves are too far above the stove to actually take away all the PM 2.5.

Brian Hoyer [01:01:08]: Yep.

Ben Greenfield [01:01:09]: So this thing will go up to like 500 of PM 2.5 when you're cooking in the kitchen. We did a video about that. It's on the website somewhere. So that's why even if you have a good air filtration system and fan above the stove, having a standalone filter in the kitchen I think is a pretty good idea. It's the biggest source of particulate matter in the house.

Brian Hoyer [01:01:26]: Oh, yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:01:27]: Unless you have a house fire or something.

Brian Hoyer [01:01:28]: I love that it's so high, too, because I have a little cheap one I got off of Amazon, like a Coway. That's a HEPA filter. Like whenever we have smoke in the house, I plug it in and I'm like holding it right over the stove. Stove, like.

Ben Greenfield [01:01:40]: Yeah, y.

Brian Hoyer [01:01:43]: So, yeah, that's Good.

Ben Greenfield [01:01:44]: Okay, so magnetic fields, basically you just want to ensure you don't have any appliances with high magnetic fields running in areas where you're statically standing there or resting there or hanging out there for long periods of time.

Brian Hoyer [01:01:56]: That's correct, yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:01:57]: I'm very curious to see when we go to the lounge where there's a lot of biohacking equipment, what that looks like. Cuz there's a lot of stuff plugged in out there.

Brian Hoyer [01:02:04]: Yeah, yeah, we can, we can test that. The other source of magnetic fields is if there are wiring errors. And that's when I say wiring errors, I mean like how the wires are connected by the electrician. So according to National Electric Code, there's certain things that have to be wired a certain way for safety. But what we found and others before us, like Carl Reilly was a building biologist that he wrote a book called, he wrote a book about it called like, like EMFS in building wiring.

Ben Greenfield [01:02:35]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [01:02:37]: Tracing EMFs is what it's called. But in that book he outlines like the National Electric Code and the violations that cause magnetic fields. And so when we're going around with this meter, we're able to test things that a lot of electricians aren't able to discover or it'd be harder to discover without a meter like this.

Ben Greenfield [01:02:58]: Gosh, you'd think electricians would, would have meters like that. But a lot of them aren't focused on building biology.

Brian Hoyer [01:03:05]: Right. They're they, what they do have is they have a clamp meter like this and they can use this, this is something that they use all the time. They can use this around Romex wires. They just clamp it around the wires when they're, when they wire it into the house. And they'll see that the, the amps will be, will be elevated if there's a wiring error on that circuit. Yeah, because normally the hot and the neutral wires have to have equal amount of current flowing out and back to that circuit.

Ben Greenfield [01:03:32]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [01:03:33]: If they have arc fault breakers, those will trip if that's the case. Okay, but, and those are pretty much they're using a lot of arc fault breakers and electrical systems now. So it prevents a lot of things from happening. But still, if there's, if there's issues with how they wired it within that circuit, it can still create a magnetic field, but won't show up here.

Ben Greenfield [01:03:57]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [01:03:59]: And I did.

Ben Greenfield [01:04:00]: So this will not measure magnetic fields.

Brian Hoyer [01:04:02]: No, but it will give you clues as to like where the magnetic field is, if you get it, are able to clamp it around the wire.

Ben Greenfield [01:04:08]: Okay. Yeah. Okay, got it, got it. Do you think it'd be a good idea to check out the office where there's a lot of. A lot of people worry about the office and the way that that's wired?

Brian Hoyer [01:04:18]: Yeah, yeah, let's test that. We'll do electric fields, magnetic.

Ben Greenfield [01:04:21]: Okay, cool. A lot of people use, like, biohacking equipment. So what we're going to do next is we're going to go to the area where there's a lot of biohacking equipment. And also a typical kind of not typical, because my office is a little weird, but what an office looks like. All right, so mini. Mini tour of the Greenfield home. We've got the gym in here. Now, we went with cork flooring because cork has very low amounts of off gassing compared to typical rubber floor in a gym.

Ben Greenfield [01:04:45]: But that also means that the gym, like this is pretty non conductive. Right. Like, this would kind of defeat some of the grounding and earthing concepts built.

Brian Hoyer [01:04:53]: Yeah, I think we did put. We did put grounding material underneath here.

Ben Greenfield [01:04:56]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think the cork. The cork will conduct some of that, though?

Brian Hoyer [01:05:01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:05:02]: Cool. So I'm even grinding when I'm working out. All right, so into the office. So basically the setup we have here is all these panels. This is just sound paneling. This is where I record the podcast that many of you watching or listening probably hear. This rug in here also is literally just for soundproofing. Nothing feng shui aesthetic about it whatsoever.

Ben Greenfield [01:05:25]: But then, you know, there's lots of stuff in here. We got some red light panels. You know, a lot of times I'll flip on these red light panels, go in the office, start my work. So when you walk into a typical office, what are you looking at, Brian?

Brian Hoyer [01:05:37]: I'm looking at all the wires, and I'm thinking about body voltage. And we want your body voltage to be as low as possible.

Ben Greenfield [01:05:46]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [01:05:47]: In the office. And so I'm looking at anything that's plugged in.

Ben Greenfield [01:05:50]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [01:05:51]: Like the, the cables, the power strips. We're also looking at the lighting, paying attention to that, the spectrum, the flicker and the intensity of it and making sure it's. It's all appropriate for the, the time of day and.

Ben Greenfield [01:06:04]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [01:06:05]: And everything like that.

Ben Greenfield [01:06:06]: By the way, check this out. UVA, UVA, UVB. Unfortunately, this thing throws the breakers right now. I'm working on that. But you got all spectrums of light right here. UVA, UVB, and your red light.

Brian Hoyer [01:06:22]: The red light's overpowering the UVA here. Hold on.

Ben Greenfield [01:06:25]: This is called an EMR tech kind of.

Brian Hoyer [01:06:29]: Yeah. You can see it's got 630, 670 and 850.

Ben Greenfield [01:06:42]: Yeah. No. So three different spectrums, plus the UVA. UVB, right?

Brian Hoyer [01:06:47]: Yeah. If you turn on just the UVA, I'll be able to detect that that's UVA.

Ben Greenfield [01:06:52]: And UVB.

Brian Hoyer [01:06:53]: And UVB.

Ben Greenfield [01:06:54]: Okay, so that middle one is. That middle one is UVB. Oh, this one's UVB. Yep. And then this one's UVA.

Brian Hoyer [01:07:02]: Okay.

Ben Greenfield [01:07:03]: So if I flip, push through. So now it's just UVA.

Brian Hoyer [01:07:05]: Okay, so this one was UVB. You can see on this. On this side of the spectrum. You can see that. See that? And it might be even below this. This is at 380. So I'd have to look at a, you know, look it up. But I think that UVB might be below that.

Ben Greenfield [01:07:20]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [01:07:21]: UVA. Yeah. See, UVA is around 380. It's like, all the way up there. So I think UVB is, like, below 380.

Ben Greenfield [01:07:29]: So at least it's putting out the spectrum as we want it to.

Brian Hoyer [01:07:32]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:07:32]: Cool. So.

Brian Hoyer [01:07:35]: Whoops.

Ben Greenfield [01:07:37]: So how do you want to do the office? You want me to, like, stand at my desk and measure body voltage, or you just want to go through and measure the magnetic fields and electrical fields, or what do you like to do when you're out on office?

Brian Hoyer [01:07:50]: Yeah, let's get a baseline reading of what. Like, what it's typically like when you're. When you're at your desk.

Ben Greenfield [01:07:55]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [01:07:56]: And I'll set up the cables here because you have to ground the meters in order to get an accurate reading.

Ben Greenfield [01:08:02]: So this is measuring body voltage?

Brian Hoyer [01:08:04]: Yes, this is measuring body voltage. So you can go in and hold that for now. Like if I'm standing out here away from the desk. Away from the desk and the electrical.

Ben Greenfield [01:08:16]: So you're at about 500 when you push against the wall. Whoa. Why does it lower so much when you press against the wall?

Brian Hoyer [01:08:24]: Because the wall is grounded.

Ben Greenfield [01:08:25]: Okay. Wall is grounded intentionally, right?

Brian Hoyer [01:08:30]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:08:30]: Yeah. Okay, cool.

Brian Hoyer [01:08:35]: So we've got a little bit of the electric fields, like you can see when I stand.

Ben Greenfield [01:08:38]: Is this a concerning level of electric fields next to the desk?

Brian Hoyer [01:08:42]: We're going to mitigate it because we can, you know, there's a lot of cables over there. There's a lot of room for improvements.

Ben Greenfield [01:08:48]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [01:08:51]: I step on this, you know, the carpet will kind of conduct a little bit because the floor is grounded.

Ben Greenfield [01:09:01]: So what if you. What if I touch you?

Brian Hoyer [01:09:04]: Yeah, it goes Up. You're standing in a higher field area than I am.

Ben Greenfield [01:09:08]: Oh, so it's passing the field onto you.

Brian Hoyer [01:09:10]: Exactly. So. So then you can go and just test. Okay. What's. What's increasing the field?

Ben Greenfield [01:09:19]: Oh, that thing increases a ton. That. That Nanovi thing. Wow. And it's off. It's plugged in, but it's off. That light, that bright light for seasonal affective disorder that seems to be jacking it up.

Brian Hoyer [01:09:34]: Let's see.

Ben Greenfield [01:09:35]: It's kind of cool because you just touch stuff. You're acting as your own biological meter. See, that's pretty good. Yep.

Brian Hoyer [01:09:42]: So that's grounded. That's good.

Ben Greenfield [01:09:47]: So far, the light and the Nanovi seem pretty high. Not a little bit.

Brian Hoyer [01:09:53]: Yeah, And I can test it with my other meter too. That's helpful.

Ben Greenfield [01:09:56]: Like, this is mixer.

Brian Hoyer [01:09:58]: Where's the power? I'm at the back.

Ben Greenfield [01:10:01]: Around the back. Yep. This is building biology, folks. This is what they do. Right. That's technically the name of the field you operate in, right? Building biology.

Brian Hoyer [01:10:11]: Yeah, it's the name of the field. I'm actually not a certified building biologist, though. I was self taught.

Ben Greenfield [01:10:19]: Recover sometimes, that's the best. Not always. Don't go to an uncertified brain surgeon.

Brian Hoyer [01:10:26]: So, like, this lamp is an unshielded lamp.

Ben Greenfield [01:10:29]: Okay. When you say unshielded, do you mean that you can change that by plugging it in differently? Or you would literally have to shield it with some kind of shielding material.

Brian Hoyer [01:10:40]: You'd have. Well, the lamp's not made to be shielded, so you didn't replace the cable on it.

Ben Greenfield [01:10:45]: Okay, yeah, got it, got it.

Brian Hoyer [01:10:47]: But we'll. We'll address that. You like. You like this little lamp?

Ben Greenfield [01:10:52]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Brian Hoyer [01:10:53]: Cool.

Ben Greenfield [01:10:54]: It does the trick. That one does red light. That's a chroma lux bulb. The other one does blue light. So if I'm in here working, I usually use this. If I'm in here working at night, I'll use the red one and then occasionally the blue one. If it's midday.

Brian Hoyer [01:11:07]: Then you got your red light helmets for. Is it for brain or hair growth or both?

Ben Greenfield [01:11:11]: The black one is hair growth. The left one is mitochondria.

Brian Hoyer [01:11:14]: Cool.

Ben Greenfield [01:11:14]: Yep.

Brian Hoyer [01:11:15]: All right, so let's have you just. Is it okay if we unplug some things?

Ben Greenfield [01:11:22]: I think so, yeah. What do you want to unplug?

Brian Hoyer [01:11:27]: Well, I'll see. I'm gonna take this out. Well, actually, let's test you. Let's get a baseline reading while you're just standing at your desk.

Ben Greenfield [01:11:35]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [01:11:39]: So we're at around 3,000.

Ben Greenfield [01:11:44]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [01:11:46]: Between 3 and 4,000 millivolts.

Ben Greenfield [01:11:48]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [01:11:49]: That's 3 or 4 volts for those of you listening. Goes up to 7,000, 8,000, 9,000. Let me get away from there too.

Ben Greenfield [01:12:04]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [01:12:05]: So about between 3 and 4,000 is the baseline.

Ben Greenfield [01:12:08]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [01:12:10]: All right, now grab my other meter here. We're going to test where it's coming from. We kind of already know the Nanovi has an issue.

Ben Greenfield [01:12:22]: Probably because that's the one that allows you to like breathe special water that's been.

Brian Hoyer [01:12:29]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:12:30]: Kind of like charged up like that when I turn it on. Looks kind of cool. It does look cool churning out a lot, isn't it?

Brian Hoyer [01:12:38]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:12:38]: Wow.

Brian Hoyer [01:12:38]: So it's because this isn't. This part's metal.

Ben Greenfield [01:12:41]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [01:12:41]: But it's not. It's not grounded through the appliance.

Ben Greenfield [01:12:43]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [01:12:44]: So there's AC that's leaking on onto that. Otherwise that would be zero. So like.

Ben Greenfield [01:12:54]: Yeah. Even if it's off, it's doing it, huh?

Brian Hoyer [01:12:56]: Yeah. Even if it's office.

Ben Greenfield [01:12:58]: Yeah. Okay. And you can do something about that. Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [01:13:01]: Let me. Well, I brought something. I might be able to do something here real quick just to demonstrate and we'll see if it works. This is a total experiment, so I don't know if it's going to work. I haven't tried it yet, but we're going to see. This is the kind of stuff I do for companies to help them kind of pretty cool biohack their products.

Ben Greenfield [01:13:26]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [01:13:27]: But I'm grounding my body while I have this meter so I can get an accurate reading. Now if I'm able to ground something on this.

Ben Greenfield [01:13:39]: Oh, interesting. So you're experimenting. See what would happen if you grounded that.

Brian Hoyer [01:13:43]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:13:43]: It doesn't look like it's not doing much.

Brian Hoyer [01:13:46]: Doesn't look like it's doing much.

Ben Greenfield [01:13:47]: Wow, that's crazy. It's turning out a lot. And it's right next to me while I'm working.

Brian Hoyer [01:13:53]: Yeah. So might just want to, you know, for some things we just like want to reposition them.

Ben Greenfield [01:13:57]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [01:13:58]: So that you have like a. Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:14:00]: Unfortunately, this is what comes off of it. And then this kind of goes as a nasal cannula. So there's not very. A very great distance you can be from it.

Brian Hoyer [01:14:09]: You know what we could do?

Ben Greenfield [01:14:10]: Unless they were to re engineer it with a longer extension.

Brian Hoyer [01:14:13]: We can get a grounding mat to put underneath. I think that would help a little bit.

Ben Greenfield [01:14:17]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [01:14:17]: But then that cave, that sheath I was telling you about, we can put that right over this part.

Ben Greenfield [01:14:22]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [01:14:23]: And then that like alligator clip that and that'll be. That way this will be grounded.

Ben Greenfield [01:14:27]: Cool. Cool. That's useful. Then this light is doing a bunch of it too, huh?

Brian Hoyer [01:14:34]: Yeah, that had a. Had a lot of electric fields as well. So.

Ben Greenfield [01:14:38]: Yeah, I don't want this to get too inside baseball boring for folks, but we'll just give a couple examples here. And you know, you can always come out and test some of the other stuff later on if we need to.

Brian Hoyer [01:14:50]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:14:50]: Well, I just want to show people a couple of things for the camera.

Brian Hoyer [01:14:52]: Let's see, where is this, how you turn it on? Where's it plugged into?

Ben Greenfield [01:14:56]: Oh, good question. Probably in the back there somewhere.

Brian Hoyer [01:14:59]: Back there?

Ben Greenfield [01:14:59]: Yeah. What I'll do is there's like a power. See this little mesh under here?

Brian Hoyer [01:15:04]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:15:04]: This is full of all the stuff that's plugged in.

Brian Hoyer [01:15:06]: Got it.

Ben Greenfield [01:15:06]: Yep.

Brian Hoyer [01:15:07]: So what I'll do is later, after we're done recording, I'll come here and I'll just like look at a bunch of the stuff and we'll. I'll figure out a plan. We can have like some photos and stuff. I take in the show notes for everybody.

Ben Greenfield [01:15:18]: Cool. Cool. Awesome. Awesome. All right, folks, we'll put photos in the show notes when he does more of the walk through the office so that. So that we don't get too, too long in the tooth. Yeah, I know your guys attention span.

Ben Greenfield [01:15:32]: All right. Do we want to show them some of the. Some of the biohacking area? Because you did something special in there because we're running like the biocharger and stuff in there, right?

Brian Hoyer [01:15:39]: Yeah, we had. We.

Ben Greenfield [01:15:40]: Yeah, let's go talk.

Brian Hoyer [01:15:41]: Incorporated some unique things in there.

Ben Greenfield [01:15:43]: This is one of my favorite areas of the house. I spend a lot of time in here. I call it the lounge. I used to call it the Zen den, but now it's just the lounge because it's kind of bigger. That's not a den. So there's a hyperbaric chamber in here. There's an infrared sauna. There's a biocharger.

Ben Greenfield [01:15:59]: There's a PEMF chair. There's a vibrating shift wave chair. There's a light sound therapy lamp called a Roxiva. And then all of this shelving is just everything from helmets to headgear to meditation machine. This is like the biohacking room, basically. And this is one of those OLED TVs, too.

Brian Hoyer [01:16:18]: Cool. Yeah, we can tell that's super thin.

Ben Greenfield [01:16:20]: Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty thin.

Brian Hoyer [01:16:22]: Really cool looking.

Ben Greenfield [01:16:22]: Yep. So what do we do in here? Because you knew that biocharger puts out radio frequency, red light, PEMF, negative ions. Like, you know, it's pretty. Pretty charged up.

Brian Hoyer [01:16:35]: Yeah. So typically, what we. What we would. Would do in a normal room that we want to create as like, a biohacking or safe room is we would. We would put shielding paint on the walls that's grounded with this. It wasn't really safe to do that because what we wanted was an insulation barrier between the grounded wall and the room. Because if you got between the biocharger and the grounded surface and happened to touch that grounded surface, you'd have a lot more voltage than is intended going through your body to that grounded, you know, material. So we grounded behind the drywall with that copper mesh.

Ben Greenfield [01:17:18]: Got it. So instead of just having the copper mesh in the flooring in here, it's in the walls as well.

Brian Hoyer [01:17:23]: It's all the way around.

Ben Greenfield [01:17:24]: So this entire room is grounded, basically. So we did a little bit of extra in this room based on all the equipment running in it, especially the biocharger, which puts out a lot.

Brian Hoyer [01:17:32]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:17:33]: So, yeah.

Brian Hoyer [01:17:33]: So we wanted to make it completely safe. There's no question that, like, you know. Yeah, you're gonna have a lower voltage potential in here. But we didn't want it to be where, like.

Ben Greenfield [01:17:42]: Right.

Brian Hoyer [01:17:42]: You're literally like a lightning rod.

Ben Greenfield [01:17:44]: Right. Should I turn. Do you want me to turn on the biocharger?

Brian Hoyer [01:17:46]: Yeah, you can turn that on.

Ben Greenfield [01:17:47]: Okay, so I'll turn this on. Start. Yes. Okay, There it goes. And this thing has, like, recipes for inflammation and constipation and headaches and all sorts of stuff. It's like a right frequency machine.

Brian Hoyer [01:18:10]: So you can see. Can even hear it on here. Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:18:19]: Yep. Here. Coming straight through there.

Brian Hoyer [01:18:21]: Hear it through the speaker. Yeah. Now here, let's. Let's test something.

Ben Greenfield [01:18:39]: That's the difference when it's on versus when it's shielded.

Brian Hoyer [01:18:42]: The electric field's coming through this way.

Ben Greenfield [01:18:44]: Yep. But not through the door. Yeah. Wow. It travels pretty far from the machine, huh?

Brian Hoyer [01:18:49]: I'm. I'm. Yeah, it's detecting on me right now. So if my body's.

Ben Greenfield [01:18:57]: Hide behind the wall.

Brian Hoyer [01:18:58]: There we go.

Ben Greenfield [01:18:58]: Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Wow. It's supposed to be putting out an electric field. So it is doing what it's designed to do.

Brian Hoyer [01:19:06]: Exactly.

Ben Greenfield [01:19:08]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [01:19:09]: Yeah, It's.

Ben Greenfield [01:19:10]: Yeah. And this is an example of demonstrating that the biocharger is bad for you. Right.

Brian Hoyer [01:19:21]: Well, it's.

Ben Greenfield [01:19:22]: It's producing an electrical field, but you're intentionally putting yourself in front of those frequencies that supposedly are at specific frequencies designed to vibrate certain cells to cause some type of effect.

Brian Hoyer [01:19:34]: Yeah, whatever. I don't know exactly which frequencies they've implemented, but they've studied it. So if it's intentional, that's good. But usually if we're detecting something with these meters, they're broadband and they're not frequency specific. And so we're detecting things that are not necessarily meant to be calibrated to be therapeutic.

Ben Greenfield [01:19:54]: Right.

Brian Hoyer [01:19:54]: You know, like. Like 60 Hz electricity in the house.

Ben Greenfield [01:19:56]: Right. So in some. In some cases, some things are actually calibrated, which is what this is. All right, I'm gonna. I'm flip this off so we can actually hear each other. There we go. It's off.

Brian Hoyer [01:20:11]: And you can see now we're all the way down on this.

Ben Greenfield [01:20:13]: So you got more of the red light tape on that screen. Red light tape on this screen? Red light tape everywhere.

Brian Hoyer [01:20:20]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:20:22]: Cool. So that's. That's basically the idea of a room that has everything grounded. So I realized we told people this and I just mentioned it. Should we test the. The amount of flicker on a TV like this?

Brian Hoyer [01:20:33]: Yeah, I've got my meter.

Ben Greenfield [01:20:35]: Okay, let me flip it on. I think the remote control is. I literally put it there. So if someone was doing a sauna session, they can literally, like, watch something on TV while they're in the sauna.

Brian Hoyer [01:20:47]: So let me show flicker. Sunlight doesn't have any flicker.

Ben Greenfield [01:20:52]: I'll kind of orient it this way so the sunlight's not coming off of it. Okay, so sunlight doesn't have any flicker. Okay, so now this is on. Obviously, you don't have a different TV to compare it to.

Brian Hoyer [01:21:04]: No, that's very low.

Ben Greenfield [01:21:07]: Very low level of flicker.

Brian Hoyer [01:21:08]: Very low level of flicker.

Ben Greenfield [01:21:09]: That's awesome. That's OLED Yeah. Well, that's good.

Brian Hoyer [01:21:14]: Can hear a little bit of buzzing.

Ben Greenfield [01:21:16]: Yeah. Is that buzzing flicker?

Brian Hoyer [01:21:18]: Yeah, a little bit. But it's not a lot because.

Ben Greenfield [01:21:20]: Have you tested a normal TV before with that?

Brian Hoyer [01:21:22]: Oh, they're. They're all over the place.

Ben Greenfield [01:21:24]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [01:21:25]: Some are really terrible, and some are.

Ben Greenfield [01:21:27]: Well, it's good to know that this. This is the same model as I have in the other room, too.

Brian Hoyer [01:21:30]: So some TVs, like, just so you have a reference. Like, some TVs, you'll turn them on and immediately it'll be like. And you'll be like, this far away, and you'll still be able to test it from here, even with the window like that.

Ben Greenfield [01:21:40]: And then this TV, by the way, you guys, everything in this house is hardwired, so this TV is plugged into the wall. You can see behind here with the camera. If you come around, it's plugged in with an ethernet cable. Right. So I'm not using the wifi on this TV. There is a Bluetooth enabled, so you can hear via the Bluetooth speaker installed in the sauna, the TV, if you're in the sauna watching TV, but it's not actually connected via wifi which is great. Yeah. Cool.

Ben Greenfield [01:22:05]: Cool. Awesome.

Brian Hoyer [01:22:08]: So you lucked out on that.

Ben Greenfield [01:22:09]: Looked out on the TV. Took my chance, got lucky. All right, so I know we've got all that stuff on the dining room table.

Brian Hoyer [01:22:15]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:22:15]: Should we go and do a little show and tell, get ready for finish up with dessert? Little show and tell.

Brian Hoyer [01:22:19]: Let's do it.

Ben Greenfield [01:22:19]: Let's do it. We're ready to jump into some of these interesting tools that Brian so nicely wrapped and brought. Where do we start, Brian?

Brian Hoyer [01:22:28]: Well, let's start with. You already opened one.

Ben Greenfield [01:22:31]: Yep.

Brian Hoyer [01:22:31]: Right. You got your safe meter, doohickey, safe charger, doohickeys.

Ben Greenfield [01:22:35]: Yep.

Brian Hoyer [01:22:36]: And then these are for the boys.

Ben Greenfield [01:22:38]: Okay.

Brian Hoyer [01:22:39]: Set those aside. This is for Jessa.

Ben Greenfield [01:22:41]: Okay. Who's off playing tennis. So she's gonna miss out. Yep.

Brian Hoyer [01:22:45]: So why don't we start off with. Why don't we start off with the big one?

Ben Greenfield [01:22:50]: Okay. Start with the biggest one first. Again, I'm not gonna open the card. Just gonna rip this one open, folks. May not even need the knife. This is. Okay. Got a big cardboard box.

Ben Greenfield [01:23:07]: Of course. There we go. Okay.

Brian Hoyer [01:23:22]: There we go.

Ben Greenfield [01:23:23]: Well wrapped. Yeah. Thoroughly wrapped for shipping. Okay. Oh, wow. What is this? A. Oh, we were just talking about this. This looks like a desk lamp.

Brian Hoyer [01:23:36]: It is.

Ben Greenfield [01:23:37]: Okay. A desk lamp with. What's it say on it? Something. Therapy.

Brian Hoyer [01:23:42]: Goldilocks.

Ben Greenfield [01:23:43]: Goldilocks. Therapy bulb. Desk lamp. So what do we have going on here, Man.

Brian Hoyer [01:23:49]: So this is a fully shielded.

Ben Greenfield [01:23:51]: Oh, it's shielded.

Brian Hoyer [01:23:52]: Fully shielded.

Ben Greenfield [01:23:53]: This will fix the issue we have going on in the office.

Brian Hoyer [01:23:56]: Yes.

Ben Greenfield [01:23:56]: Incredible. Wow. So tell me about this.

Brian Hoyer [01:24:00]: So it's got. It's got a 150 watt halogen bulb in it, so you'll have, like, full spectrum.

Ben Greenfield [01:24:10]: Wow. So this is the bulb, I'm assuming.

Brian Hoyer [01:24:12]: Yes.

Ben Greenfield [01:24:13]: Okay, so what is. What is special about this bulb?

Brian Hoyer [01:24:17]: I tinted the glass so that it.

Ben Greenfield [01:24:19]: This is a product that you designed?

Brian Hoyer [01:24:21]: Yeah, I tinted the glass so that it will. Here's the little thing here.

Ben Greenfield [01:24:26]: Yep. It will.

Brian Hoyer [01:24:29]: Basically, the dominant wavelength, which is the hue of the light source will. Will be 588 nanometers. And that's the. That's like outside in the sun. That's what the dominant wavelength would be testing.

Ben Greenfield [01:24:43]: So you can flip this on. This would be infrared specific spectrum.

Brian Hoyer [01:24:47]: Infrared and. And yellow light therapy.

Ben Greenfield [01:24:50]: Incredible.

Brian Hoyer [01:24:50]: Have you heard of amber light therapy?

Ben Greenfield [01:24:52]: Yeah.

Brian Hoyer [01:24:53]: And then it also has red.

Ben Greenfield [01:24:54]: So would this be something you would more use in the evening or you use it just during a typical work day?

Brian Hoyer [01:25:00]: You use it during. During the day, and it can be an all day light, kind of like a mini sunlight.

Ben Greenfield [01:25:05]: Wow. So if you're working in an office, this could literally allow you to get a little bit more of a feeling and an effect as though you're out in the sun.

Brian Hoyer [01:25:14]: Yes.

Ben Greenfield [01:25:15]: Wow. Amazing. Super cool. And you have these on your website?

Brian Hoyer [01:25:19]: Yep.

Ben Greenfield [01:25:20]: I'm assuming this is already shielded. So you just plug it in, you're good to go. Yep.

Brian Hoyer [01:25:24]: Everything's shielded. It comes with a base.

Ben Greenfield [01:25:26]: We'll just replace that troublemaking lamp.

Brian Hoyer [01:25:28]: A base or a clamp. You can.

Ben Greenfield [01:25:29]: Easy. Incredible.

Brian Hoyer [01:25:31]: Or you can do it with this like.

Ben Greenfield [01:25:32]: Wow.

Brian Hoyer [01:25:33]: Nice big base that it has in here.

Ben Greenfield [01:25:35]: Super cool.

Brian Hoyer [01:25:36]: Super heavy.

Ben Greenfield [01:25:37]: Oh, my gosh. Dude. Thank you. Amazing. Wow. Nice packaging too. Good job.

Brian Hoyer [01:25:43]: Yeah, thanks.

Ben Greenfield [01:25:44]: Nice. Nice. Hey. Hey, Terran, you here? You want to see some of this other stuff we have going on? So we've got a few things to open up here. You may have to open up mom's for her since she's not here.

Brian Hoyer [01:25:59]: You can open up yours first.

Ben Greenfield [01:26:00]: Let's see what we got. Yep. So we got to do Hickey a.

Terran Greenfield [01:26:11]: Bio optimized grounding charger.

Ben Greenfield [01:26:13]: So basically you plug anything like next to your bed into this instead, and it basically allows it to be. Well, it's not a. It's not a dirty electricity filter. It is basically a grounding plug for anything that you would charge via or. This one will work with a computer. Right. So you would replace your normal computer charger with this will also charge USB, but you're not getting the same amounts of electrical frequency exposure. Is that the right way to phrase it? Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:26:43]: As you would be getting with a typical, like MacBook plug. So this would replace like a MacBook plug. Plus you've got all your USBs in there. How cool is that?

Terran Greenfield [01:26:52]: That's pretty cool.

Ben Greenfield [01:26:52]: That's pretty neat.

Terran Greenfield [01:26:53]: I'll put this on my. Like the one with all the other outlets.

Ben Greenfield [01:26:58]: And what'd you say this one is?

Brian Hoyer [01:26:59]: That's for Jessa. Same thing as this.

Ben Greenfield [01:27:01]: Okay, so that's the same thing. All right, well, we'll just save that for Her. Yeah, we can tell her.

Brian Hoyer [01:27:04]: And this is for River.

Ben Greenfield [01:27:05]: What about this?

Brian Hoyer [01:27:06]: That's for everybody.

Ben Greenfield [01:27:08]: Okay. Should we open it?

Brian Hoyer [01:27:09]: Yeah, yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:27:09]: All right. Here we go. Oh, I've seen these before. These are super cool. So explain these, Brian.

Brian Hoyer [01:27:17]: So these are little. They call them fairy lights. But these are all. All of these are red except for. I've got one that's warm white.

Ben Greenfield [01:27:24]: I thought just a USB based light and you would plug this in. What's the purpose of it?

Brian Hoyer [01:27:30]: So you can plug it in and it provides red light at night and you can plug it into here.

Ben Greenfield [01:27:36]: And I've got some of these in the sauna.

Brian Hoyer [01:27:38]: Red light and zero EMF because it can be plugged in.

Ben Greenfield [01:27:41]: Zero EMF?

Brian Hoyer [01:27:42]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:27:43]: Oh, wow. So you could use this to like put up around a bed where you want some lighting at night, beyond just like a lamp. Maybe some mood lighting.

Brian Hoyer [01:27:51]: Yep.

Ben Greenfield [01:27:52]: Whether it's for romance or reading or whatever. Little plug there to turn it on. These are pretty cool. Wow. So here's what they look like, folks, if you want to see. So basically you plug it in here, plug this guy in, unplug this filter for now and basically flip this on and you can flip it. You don't have to have it flash.

Brian Hoyer [01:28:16]: You can put it again like that. There's like different settings.

Ben Greenfield [01:28:18]: Again like that. Almost like Christmas lights.

Brian Hoyer [01:28:20]: There's some that are flicker-free.

Ben Greenfield [01:28:21]: Let's just do our whole Christmas tree this year with these. The world's first biologically appropriately lit Christmas tree.

Brian Hoyer [01:28:29]: Funny you say that because that's what.

Ben Greenfield [01:28:31]: This is, a Christmas tree.

Brian Hoyer [01:28:33]: Well, they're Christmas lights.

Ben Greenfield [01:28:36]: No way.

Brian Hoyer [01:28:37]: Really?

Ben Greenfield [01:28:37]: You made like low EMF Christmas lights?

Brian Hoyer [01:28:41]: Yeah, there's. There's three packs of red and like. Yeah, they've got.

Ben Greenfield [01:28:46]: There we go. Christmas lights. There we go. So a nor how is this different than like a normal Christmas light you'd get from Walmart or whatever?

Brian Hoyer [01:28:54]: Well, they're. Those use AC.

Ben Greenfield [01:28:56]: Wow. Super cool.

Brian Hoyer [01:28:59]: Those ones are white. I've got three whites. There's three ones that are colored in there.

Ben Greenfield [01:29:03]: Some are red colored white. Oh my gosh. You have these in your website too, I'm assuming?

Brian Hoyer [01:29:08]: Not yet. I'm actually refining this. These are like the first prototype.

Ben Greenfield [01:29:12]: Wow.

Brian Hoyer [01:29:13]: Yeah. Wow.

Ben Greenfield [01:29:14]: Those are pretty cool. Wow. So, so fun.

Brian Hoyer [01:29:19]: So, yeah, zero EMF Christmas tree and you can basically plug them in. You know, you can plug three strands into this.

Ben Greenfield [01:29:26]: Wow.

Brian Hoyer [01:29:27]: And then that's. There's no EMFs coming off your Christmas tree.

Ben Greenfield [01:29:30]: This is for you, brother. Right.

Brian Hoyer [01:29:31]: That's for you and River.

Ben Greenfield [01:29:32]: Here, let's see we got in here even more. Happy birthday. It is their birthday next week.

Brian Hoyer [01:29:37]: This I'll save each of the rivers.

Ben Greenfield [01:29:39]: Oh, he's got a meter meter to be able to test so they can go around the room. Be a little biohacking geeks. So what are these? Tri Field meter. What's that do?

Brian Hoyer [01:29:48]: So these measure magnetic fields and this.

Ben Greenfield [01:29:51]: Is kind of like a tri green field.

Brian Hoyer [01:29:53]: Yes.

Ben Greenfield [01:29:54]: All three types of electromagnetic pollution. So it will do RF, electrical, magnetic.

Brian Hoyer [01:30:03]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:30:03]: So you've got everything you'd want to test. So these are like more of like a consumer friendly thing. If you want to be your own building biologist, you get some kind of a new technology or toy at your home and you want to see or maybe go out to your fancy new electric car or whatever.

Brian Hoyer [01:30:16]: Yeah, you can test. This is really good for magnetic fields. The other ones, it's just a good indicator of, of a high reading.

Ben Greenfield [01:30:24]: And these are like cases for it.

Brian Hoyer [01:30:25]: And those are cases I had designed for them.

Ben Greenfield [01:30:27]: Is this your place? The Shielding Shop? Yep. Oh, I thought it was Shielded Healing or did you change?

Brian Hoyer [01:30:31]: Shielded Healing is my consulting business.

Ben Greenfield [01:30:33]: I see. Shielding Shops.

Brian Hoyer [01:30:34]: Shielding Shops has all the products.

Ben Greenfield [01:30:36]: Super cool.

Brian Hoyer [01:30:36]: (Terran) So is this like a special battery too? (Brian) Just a normal 9 volt battery. Okay. But the idea behind this is that you guys are getting older, you're growing up, you know, you're, how old, 16 now.

Ben Greenfield [01:30:48]: Getting married, starting a family. Yeah, yeah.

Brian Hoyer [01:30:50]: You guys need to start taking responsibility for your own health, your own electrical, which you do and your own electrical environment. So I want to teach you guys how to use the this equipment because this is what I would recommend to anybody. Like if you're going to college, going to a dorm or getting your first apartment.

Ben Greenfield [01:31:08]: I've got something like this out of my office I've messed around with.

Brian Hoyer [01:31:10]: Yeah, you want to be able to test the magnetic field especially.

Ben Greenfield [01:31:13]: So that's pretty lazy with it because I've got Brian in my back pocket.

Brian Hoyer [01:31:16]: Yeah, the standard. This is what you'd want to be testing for the magnetic field. And so this is the main setting that you want to be looking at. Like if you detect a place that's higher than 0.5, especially around your sleeping area, you don't want that. Okay. Okay. So if you're out looking for an apartment, take this with you. And this is how you test it.

Brian Hoyer [01:31:37]: Now you can see like when you go around it kind of like fluctuates. You want to set it down. Okay. And you can see it's like really low here. Your home is ideal.

Ben Greenfield [01:31:47]: No way. So we planned that.

Brian Hoyer [01:31:51]: Well, the red one, you can turn that on. You can test to see if there's, there's a wifi. It's not going to be as accurate as one of my other meters over here. Like if you can grab that green one over there and so you can see like it's going to be a very different reading here versus there, that's saying there's nothing but this one. So it's not very accurate when it comes to RF. Well, I'll keep it at the magnetic.

Ben Greenfield [01:32:16]: Wow.

Brian Hoyer [01:32:17]: But magnetic is really, really accurate. It's as accurate as my incredible sweet we're equipped. And then I've got this case for it.

Ben Greenfield [01:32:27]: So I know you brought this hat too, Brian. Now that we've established the fact that my home is a pretty safe place to be, I'm feeling pretty lucky. You asked me if I was lucky earlier. Now I'm feeling very lucky. So. So here's the thing, folks. Obviously there's a lot to think about. I don't want to fear monger you, but as Brian and I talked about earlier in the podcast, rather than freaking out about your entire house and dropping everything to fix everything I recommend, I don't know if you would agree with me on this, Brian.

Ben Greenfield [01:32:59]: Go to your bedroom, get one of those little meters or have a building biologist come and check things and start with your sleeping space, tackle the low hanging fruit. You don't have to like build an entirely new home if that's not your thing. But there's a lot of stuff here where you can make simple switches, especially to your sleeping space. And I would say probably the second most important in my opinion would be the office. Right. If you're, if you're working eight hours.

Brian Hoyer [01:33:22]: A day, places you're relaxing, eating right.

Ben Greenfield [01:33:25]: Eating would be another one. Because you want to be in a parasympathetic state.

Brian Hoyer [01:33:28]: Exactly.

Ben Greenfield [01:33:29]: So don't eat right next to the refrigerator. Like I've mentioned a couple of times, Brian is a great resource. I've done other podcasts with him. There's also a lot of external links, books we mentioned, products we mentioned, et cetera. BenGreenfieldLife.com/hometour is where you can go for that. And Brian, last time we talked, you have the ability or had the ability to like travel to people and work with them. Do you still do that?

Brian Hoyer [01:33:57]: Yeah, I still do that.

Ben Greenfield [01:33:59]: You get on airplanes?

Brian Hoyer [01:34:00]: I get on airplanes. I have a team that, that also tests all over. You know, we do 20 to 30 home tests per month now.

Ben Greenfield [01:34:08]: Wow.

Brian Hoyer [01:34:08]: So incredible. Growing a lot since the first podcast we did together and it's, you know, and now I've gone into developing products because we test that many homes a month, we see the issues and so we develop and fill in the gaps where they're needed.

Ben Greenfield [01:34:24]: Yeah, amazing. Well, I feel as though I gotta. I gotta end this podcast on a high note wearing a hat like this. Thank you for watching everybody. I'm Ben Greenfield, along with Brian Hoyer, signing out from another episode of Boundless Life. Make sure you eat your lucky charms, but test them first for magnetic fields, electrical frequencies, and dirty electricity. In the meantime, thank you so much for watching. And thank you to the incredible Brian Hoyer.

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