Vaccines vs. Natural Immunity, Sudden Death In Athletes, The Best Early Treatment Of COVID, The Joe Rogan Vaccine Podcast, Can You Get COVID Twice & Much More With Dr. Peter McCullough.

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Dr. Peter McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, and epidemiologist. He practices both internal medicine, including the management of common infectious diseases, as well as the cardiovascular complications of both the viral infection and the injuries developing after the COVID-19 vaccine in Dallas TX, USA. You may also have heard his recent, somewhat popular interview with Joe Rogan from last week, in which he discussed early management of COVID, vaccine issues, and plenty of other COVID related topics (which we also visit on this podcast). 

Since the outset of the pandemic, Dr. Peter McCullough has been a leader in the medical response to the COVID-19 disaster and has published “Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection” the first synthesis of sequenced multi-drug treatment of ambulatory patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 in the American Journal of Medicine and subsequently updated in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine.

He has 46 peer-reviewed publications on the infection and has commented extensively on the medical response to the COVID-19 crisis in The Hill, America Out Loud, and on FOX NEWS Channel. On November 19, 2020, Dr. Peter McCullough testified in the US Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, and throughout 2021 in the Texas Senate Committee on Health and Human Services, Colorado General Assembly, New Hampshire Senate, and South Carolina Senate concerning many aspects of the pandemic response. Dr. Peter McCullough has had 18 months of dedicated academic and clinical efforts in combating the SARS-CoV-2 virus and in doing so, has reviewed thousands of reports, participated in scientific congresses, group discussions, press releases, and has been considered among the world’s experts on COVID-19.

Dr. Peter McCullough is known for his iconic views on the state of medical truth in America and around the globe, piercing through the thin veil of mainstream media stories that skirt the major issues and provide no tractable basis for durable insight. On his podcast, The McCullough Report, he is joined by experts in medicine, biotechnology, public health, and policy to bring critical information and insights to the listeners in a concise and understandable format.

During our discussion, you'll discover:

-How people like Joe Rogan and U.S. senators have benefited from Dr. McCullough's COVID treatment protocol…04:23

-Vaccines vs. a therapeutic approach for treating and preventing COVID…11:04

  • ZDoggMD
  • Monoclonal antibodies are expensive to produce
  • Monoclonal antibodies came out in November 2020, before the vaccines; for Emergency Use authorized; administered via IV infusion
  • Only problem is when the infusion is rushed where some adverse reaction may occur
  • The only kids who are hospitalized are the ones who do not get any treatment
  • Nebulize with
  • With early treatment, hospitalizations for COVID should be a rarity

-Can you get COVID more than once?…22:29

  • Robert Malone
  • COVID-19 is always 2 weeks to 4 weeks
  • What most think of as a second infection is actually a false-positive test result
  • Positive results of tests repeatedly done are actually the same infection, not a completely separate case
  • Some tests have cycle thresholds higher than 28, which could lead to false positives

-Can you transmit COVID if you're asymptomatic?…30:45

  • Viral remnants last in the body for 1½ years
  • The virus is analogous to SARS-COVID-1; one time infection, lifetime immunity
  • The CDC has not been able to show that there are second COVID-19 cases; there are no verifiable cases
  • If COVID could be transmitted by people with no symptoms, it would be the first respiratory illness in the history of medicine where that’s the case
  • SARS-CoV-2 Transmission From People Without COVID-19 Symptoms – the study that triggered the lockdown
    • This study used a simplistic model to represent a complex phenomenon
  • There have not been the predicted outbreaks with resuming school

-Is there any validity to the “cocoon effect”?…35:09

-Questions on the accuracy of COVID cases being reported…38:05

-Concerns about COVID vaccines promoting myocarditis in young children…43:40

-The genesis of effective treatment and prevention of COVID in the medical community…51:27

-Prospects for a truly safe COVID vaccine on the horizon…56:17

  • First generation vaccines are called genetic vaccines and will eventually be phased out
  • Blood clotting result from current vaccines; liver failure deaths
  • Novavax shows a great deal of promise (just got approved in Australia)
  • Inovio vaccine
  • Feedly app Ben mentions

-The latest info on the Omicron variant…1:01:28

  • Omicron is by far the most mutated variant with 26 unique spike protein mutations
    • Alpha only has 4 spike protein mutations
    • Beta only has 6 spike proteins
    • Gamma only has 8 spike proteins; the most lethal variant
    • Delta has 8 and is highly contagious
  • Discovered in vaccinated travelers in Botswana
  • NowCast predictions have proven to be unreliable
  • CDC is over-predicting Omicron case estimates
  • Delta has greater transmissibility than Omicron
  • Omicron may be more successful in the vaccinated
  • Ben's morning routine:
  • Hypochlorous acid spray
  • Povidone Iodine

-How Dr. McCullough stays healthy and fit…1:12:30

  • Hasn't really taken a day off since the pandemic

-And much more!

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73 thoughts on “Vaccines vs. Natural Immunity, Sudden Death In Athletes, The Best Early Treatment Of COVID, The Joe Rogan Vaccine Podcast, Can You Get COVID Twice & Much More With Dr. Peter McCullough.

  1. Meghan Campbell says:

    When you asked Dr McCulough about his self care . Sweet moment. He paused a micro second before responding <3

  2. David R. says:

    Hey Ben, just a heads up, Novavax has not been authorized in Australia yet. Dr. M said it was and it was in your show notes.
    Just the Philippines, Indonesia have authorized and The WHO and EU just authorized within the last 2 weeks.

  3. Thanks Ben, well done. The Rogan forcefield clears the way to open communications. At the 40,000 foot view, folks need to consider that the pharmaceutical companies underwrite most of the support of mass media, mass medicine and mass politics. There may be many docs like Dr. McCullough that are on the cutting edge and of course they are not going to agree on everything because they are not supposed to. That is how we move forward through a hierarchy of competence not the brute force of incompetent tyrannical power afforded by the top echelons of world power brokers who consider that you and your loved ones can be killed off as collateral damage in pursuit of profits.

  4. Leslie Brooks says:

    A couple of things. I have 3 friends who have tested positive twice & had symptoms both times? Would this be a diff variant?

    Also you said it’s not transferable through hands because it’s a respiratory thing….. what about people who sneeze into their hands and then touch stuff?
    Tough times over here as my work is saying it’s “imperative” to get the vaccine. I had Covid last Dec and am a healthy person despite having a cold throughout the whole month of Nov and part of Dec!!! It’s super annoying actually. Enjoyed the podcast.

  5. JEAN B says:

    Thanks for interviewing a dedicated doctor who is wiling to do something other than tell people to go home and wait until they need to be hospitalized!

  6. Jeanie says:

    I am unsubscribing from Ben Greenfield (having followed him since 2016) because I thought he was extremely disrespectful of Dr. McCullough. It seemed that every point Dr. McCullough made was met by, “yeah, well, I’m not so sure…..” from our illustrious interviewer. He seems to think he can learn nothing from anyone, that he does truly “know it all.”

    Also, Ben, it took you a long time to get the guts up to invite this doctor on your show because you are afraid of being “cancelled.” You only did so after Joe Rogan paved the way for you. I’m so disappointed to have listened to this podcast. You missed a wonderful opportunity to learn something from Dr. McCullough, but fear not because he has helped many, many people and you have not.

    1. Michael says:

      Dr. Peter McCullough is a disgruntled nut-job!! Pushing is own brand of pseudo-science for personal gain.

      1. Marika says:

        Obviously Michael is an ignorant TROLL.

    2. Ranee Psachos says:

      You will probably not like every episode in the same way, and some, you may find useless, entirely. Does that mean you have to discount Ben Greenfield, entirely? Surely, you can simply check back later, to find another thought provoking, entertaining podcast. I know I skip a podcast, here and there, because they are not to my taste. I hope you have a great day, and find a great, peaceful podcast, that suits your mood!

      1. So well put Ranee! Thanks!

  7. Tracey says:

    What brand of travel nebulizer do you have, Ben?


  8. Joel says:

    How much should the hydrogen peroxide be diluted when nebulizing it?

    1. Eric says:

      I just tried 1.5% and it really hurt. It’s got to be way less than that. I second this question.

      1. Kara says:

        i also am looking for the answer to this question! i have food grade 3% hydrogen peroxide and a nebulizer ready to use, but really cant find diluting instructions anywhere on the internet.

  9. Dakota says:

    This podcast makes a person believe that if you’ve had covid, you have natural immunity and thus, cannot get covid again. Dr. Peter states that if you were able to get covid again it would be the first respiratory illness in all of history to do this. I guess my question is, then why can a person never become immune to the flu even though you’ve had this virus multiple times in your life? Isn’t the flu a respiratory illness as well? I would just like clarification so that I can have a solid argument as a proponent for natural immunity being superior to the vaccine.

    Thank you.

    1. George says:

      He actually said it would be the first respiratory illness in all of history that could be transmitted from someone who doesn’t have any symptoms. Thats not what he was saying about getting it more than once. He basically was saying he doesnt think people could get it again but he wasnt saying he was 100% sure of that.

    2. Marika says:

      Dakota, is the flu vaccine so superior ? As a nurse working in the hospital I can tell you they’ve been pushing the flu vaccines every single year. MOST people get horrible sick from it, and are out from work at least a minim of 3-5 days. So what good is it ??? Also, almost every single nurse & Doctor I know have gotten Horribly sick with covid even though they had all of their injections !!! So I ask again, what good is it ? Not to mention that has now been well over a hundred million DOCUMENTED DEATHS FROM the covid vaccines…. so I ask you again, What good is it ???

  10. Daria says:

    This doctor is not a hero. He’s unfortunately deluded and is therefore controlled opposition without knowing it (at least I hope he’s sincere in his delusion). There is no such thing as covid. The germ theory has been debunked many times. This whole hoax is based on the premise that healthy, asymptomatic people are carriers of a dangerous ‘virus’ which is nonsense. This (or any other virus) has never been isolated. It’s a computer model. Do you really believe that a computer model gives you ‘disease’? There are many explanations as to why people are getting sick (though they ALWAYS got sick and not any sniffle is ‘covid’) – such as increased toxicity, the unrolling of 5G, and frankly, deadly drugs like Remdesivir + ventilators that have been dished out and basically killing people who may have simply had a lung infection or pneumonia. It’s been made clear time and again that ‘covid’ deaths are wildly exaggerated, that hospitals and doctors are paid for ‘diagnosing’ it, and that what’s really happening – the elephant in the room – is the swift erosion of our freedoms and liberties, gross violation of constitutional rights, and the implementation of the digital tyranny where a small number of ‘chosen’ psychopaths control the whole world population. I am shocked that people still don’t see through this whole ridiculous lie and keep talking about ‘covid’ as if it’s a real disease. Maybe Ben would be interested in interviewing somebody like Dr. Stefan Lanka (and there are many others) who would present a different point of view – so at least people have the full perspective on this and make an informed decision when it comes to running for a ‘covid’ test or – God forbid – getting the ‘vaccine’ (‘safe’ or not),

    1. Bob says:

      Daria, thank you for this post. I had not heard of Dr. Stefan Lanka. I just found and read some of his papers. They’re very interesting; I’ll look for others with similar views so I can try to get a better understanding of their theory. I admit it’s quite a challenging perspective, and there are many things that are hard to explain with this theory, but I’m going to explore and try to understand it as best I can.

      I certainly agree with your points about how this whole situation, whether it’s a virus or not, is being used as an excuse to control people and take away our freedoms. Elites and tyrants have been doing this periodically throughout history. I’ve been shocked at how the constant fear porn we’ve been subjected to has been so successful in creating this crazy environment we’re in where people actually believe that we can hide from this virus, isolate ourselves, and hope the government will “protect” us. Dr Mattias Desmet, a Belgian psychologist and professor, has described a phenomenon he calls Mass Psychosis. It’s fascinating to see how this whole so-called pandemic has followed the Mass Psychosis playbook to the letter. I encourage you to check him out. It explains much of the craziness we are seeing everywhere around us.

  11. Bob says:

    Hi, Ben. Excellent podcast. It’s great hear from a highly regarded physician who has also been editor of multiple medical journals and has published hundreds of peer reviewed studies. A Dr who is actually treating patients every day and has real world experience. I’m pretty shocked, though not really surprised, by some of the comments here. It’s especially hilarious when someone immediately turns a discussion of a serious illness into a political issue. “If you don’t agree with my point of view, you must be one of those neanderthals who follows the ‘wrong’ media.” Amazing what this pandemic has done to our society, to our culture. Perhaps it was by design, find something to break us apart. The invectives being thrown around in these comments are a good indication of what has happened to us. When a person can no longer listen carefully to someone who is obviously as knowledgeable as Dr McCullough (and who is a practicing physician treating patients) without shutting down and unsubscribing, something is seriously wrong.
    Dr. McCullough is not some hysterical guy, he very calmly laid out his views. You could decide to try to learn something from his presentation. For example, is it really so crazy that people should eat less junk food and try to build up their immune system? “I know one person who was really fit and got covid anyway.” Great, thanks for adding that super useful data point; yes, there is nothing we can do other than get the vaccine and hide in our homes (perhaps wrapped in a protectibe bubble) until the big bad virus goes away.
    We have been driven into a state of hysterical fear beyond anything I ever could have imagined. Anything, no matter how insignificant, that goes against “the narrative” has to be crushed. Whether I agree with everything Dr McCullough says or not, I admire his courage for risking his reputation. Millions of people want to be “protected from misinformation.” Throughout history, elites have tried to protect us from “misinformation” being spouted by people like Aristotle and Copernicus and Galileo. Thank God they were unsuccessful. I’ll rely on my own judgment to discern what is misinformation, thank you very much. As for those of you who want to castigate Ben for – gasp – presenting differing views: I feel very sorry for you.

  12. julia Ditkoska says:

    Thank You Ben. What a Fantastic interview. I appreciate it greatly! Dr. McCullouh is is a hero. he managed to implement the early treatments and implement it in official protocols despite resistance.. We need more doctors like that.
    The only one we see on the television is dr. Fausti.

  13. Denise says:

    Unsubscribing based on this interview and support for a discredited doctor. People around us in the midwest are dying and our hospitals are over run.

    1. Cory says:

      Sound like they need early treatment as outlined by Dr. McCullough.

    2. Carrie says:

      I’m not sure where you received your information about Dr. McCullough being “a discredited doctor.” After two years of this, we need to look at everything with our eyes wide open. Who benefits from the current narrative?
      From what I’m reading now, the hospitals are over run with people stricken with heart problems, stroke, neurological problems, etc., not Covid patients. Many, many nurses are speaking up about what they are seeing, even if the doctors won’t. (They are afraid of losing their licenses.)
      If you do a little digging, off mainstream media sources, you will find an incredible amount of real data, being tabulated by top epidemiologists, surgeons, virologists, scientists, cardiologists, etc., about the how we got here and what the real stats are.

    3. suzanne says:

      Denise, I am sorry you feel that way. There are many leaders in the medical field that have the guts to speak out on preventions and treatments that don’t follow the standard care and are saving people. For example, see Dr. David Brownstein’s The Holistic Approach to Viruses. Or Mercola’s The Truth About Covid-19. Did you actually read some of the links listed at the beginning. Just keep an open mind and do your research.

    4. George says:

      Why would you think he is discredited?

  14. Dale aka Healthnut says:

    Curious of DETOX protocols for metals from the “jab”. I have followed Ben for a while and now people come to me for advice.

    Any protocols for detoxing metals from the jab?

  15. Mike says:

    I never heard of Dr. Peter McCullough, so I just googled him and found this-

    Doctor fired for spreading COVID misinformation finds supportive crowd in Bartlesville

    “Dr. Peter McCullough, a Dallas cardiologist who is largely discredited by the scientific community for his assertions that the COVID-19 vaccines are unsafe and that early treatment options have been suppressed.

    Dr. Peter McCullough answers questions from attendees during his presentation at the Bartlesville Community Center

    While McCullough said that doctors were probably afraid to show up to the event, one of Oklahoma’s top infectious disease physicians, Dr. Anuj Malik, director of infection prevention and control at Ascension St. John, said that the doctors he spoke to were not afraid to attend. They were just not interested in sitting through what would be seen as a “politically-motivated, ideological speech by a modern-day quack.”

    1. Ryan says:

      Not only that, McCullough is being sued by Baylor because they do not want to be associated with this quack. Ben did this because last time he had a doctor who recommended the vaccine, he got ripped by his followers who think its perfectly fine to take Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine produced by big pharma, but not vaccines produced by big pharma. With Ben, its all about the money. Now his followers are happy with Ben (and will keep spending money with him) and this top 5 spreader of misinformation has an even bigger platform. Hopefully, for his sake, Ben is vaccinated like all the Fox news stars are and just doing this to keep his followers happy. Truly sad to give this pathetic “doctor” such a megaphone.

      1. Denise says:

        Agreed. Just unsubscribed. It’s dangerous to promote and give platform to misinformation like this.

        1. Carrie says:


        2. George says:

          Denise, what Exactly do you think is the “misinformation”? And its funny that you are using that exact word that the media gave to you, think about that

    2. Michael says:

      Mike Exactly Correct!! No conspiracy just plain old public health more vaccinations plus PPE less Covid fewer vaccinations

      ( Florida ) #’s are exponentially rising – over whelming Hospitals and care givers who risk their lives everyday for us – the whiners need to get a grip and quit gulping down every confirmation bias sandwich that’s fed to them, if you really desire personal freedom then first (FREE YOUR Mind)

  16. Frank says:

    Nasal washes work, Gargling works. After that, everything he said is off the rails. You CAN get COVID twice. Iran and Italy had massive COVID in the first global wave. WHen the next waves came, unvaccinated previously infected people got COVID AGAIN. Natural immunity did not do the trick.

    Second, disparaging other doctors is not cool . 500 doctors are doing the “right thing” and the other ~999,500 are what – lazy lemmings? Many many health providers are working tirelessly to keep COVID patients alive.

    Tetanus shots are OK, but vaccines aren’t? Messenger RNA was discovered in the 60s and the work has been developed over the decades. We should be thankful this science was at the stage it was when Moderna and Pfizer accelerated it to make an effective vaccine. Novavax sounds great and if you take that, wonderful, but let’s not discredit the existing vaccines.

    I appreciate everyone who tries to inform us to make us healthier, and I try to learn and implement the nuggets that make sense. And some of it made sense, but too much seemed to be self-aggrandizing (Lou Dobbs next, then Laura Ingraham).

    Ben, do you plan to interview someone with a “traditional” view?

    1. Val says:

      Please interview Dr Rhonda Patrick for a different perspective.

  17. Charles says:

    Right out of the gate, Dr McCullough starts in on the vaccines failing. The mRNA vaccines never claimed to fully prevent Covid. They all say they were designed to reduce severe illness, hospitalizations and death.

    Many things about Covid including the high false positive and negative testing that are similar to Lyme disease. While one is viral and one bacterial, they both cause a variety of issues and every case is different. And how long will it be before we find out about a latent disease like shingles, following a decades earlier infection of the chicken pox.

    I don’t buy into the idea that you cannot get Covid twice. People get different strains every year. Subsequent infections may be less severe, but I don’t believe it is impossible.

    1. Jason says:

      Yes my clinical experience shows clearly that people can get it twice. Sometimes the second time has been way more severe and ended them in the hospital. If people so easily test positive for 1.5 years, as Peter suggests, creating false positives, then why would people start testing negative so fast 7-10 days after contracting it?

  18. Even though I am an alternative health practitioner, I have difficulty with Peter’s presentation. Take for example, his claim about asymptomatic COVID patients can not transmit the virus. He cites 2 sources, both of which are from papers in the beginning of the pandemic. There has been much follow up since those studies, and the possible issues are well expressed in he literature. See link below. Multiple research studies have come out since then contradicting this early hypothesis and Peter’s position. However he does not mention those. My guess is because it does not support his overall narrative and stance. This, plus other examples he gave in the podcast, make me think he is cherry picking data to support an extreme position. I appreciated Ben’s interjections and questions which softly challenged Peter’s viewpoint. However it seemed that Peter did not take them seriously and just kind threw out more “evidence” to prove his position. Again when one looks into the sources etc. they do not really seem as substantial as Peter portrays with a somewhat arrogant demeanor. The debate is much more complex then what Peter suggests. – Finally it says he is an epidemiologist? Is that true? That is an important detail, because he is weighing in on items and it seems like his logic and understanding in this area is one-sided, and somewhat flawed. Thanks Ben for keeping this conversation alive.

  19. B says:

    I wish I had everything on hand for covid. After getting it in July (probably delta) I thought I would be immune for at least a year. Not true. With this new wave of omicron strong in Los Angeles my boyfriend and I got covid for the second time. It was covid again, not false positives. He had a fever for 2 days straight. I had covid trying to take over my body but hit it with all the zinc etc I could. It was impossible to get ivermectin on rush. So everyone please be prepared even if you have already had it. Also you can tell if someone has covid by the tongue it looks oily and yellow.

    1. carrie says:


  20. Diane James says:

    Very disappointed in this podcast., I do not trust the information from Dr McCullough and I am now no longer relying on Ben and the people he interviews on his podcast for health information. I now listen to Peter Attia, and his experts, Looking forward to Peter’s upcoming podcast (next week or so) on Covid, treatment and vaccinations. It will be interesting to compare these two podcasts.

    1. Marc says:

      Same. Ben’s credibility has taken a nosedive this past year in several areas, the most notably with the products he’s pushing. It’s too bad. I also enjoy Peter Attia.

    2. Catherine says:

      Ben features a range of views on his podcasts – just as Joe Rogan and others do.
      It doesn’t mean he agrees with every guest – but gives air to many who are well qualified to offer an opinion.
      Stopping listening because you don’t like one guest, unfortunately speaks loudly to your ability to be open minded to alternative opinions.

      1. Dale says:

        I agree with you 100%. Some tend to judge and not just observe and say “ok, nice point of view” I feel different.

        I am very happy for Ben’s podcasts. He has been a great encouraging person in my life.

      2. Marc says:

        Thanks for offering up your opinion Catherine. I agree with what you are saying about a dynamic range of views, but note that my issue with Ben is that he’s been pushing products without any real discrimination. On top of that, he’s been directionally incorrect for several months now. He’s lost his compass looking for a way to seem like he’s on the frontier

    3. Carrie says:

      Do you feel Ben should only have podcast guests who support one side of the equation?

  21. Catherine says:

    Great podcast – thoroughly enjoyed – thanks so much for bringing this to us Ben.. already shared widely.

    Ben – surely after this you can see that you 100% do not need to get a vaccine for your health, or anyone else’s.

    You can put away the T-shirt you made .

    If you’ve had COVID and get the vaccine despite the excellent information shared here – I’ll assume it’s because you were told to – the price you agreed to pay for freedoms – not because you wanted to.

    Always love your work.

  22. Cole says:

    Such a great episode. Thanks Ben and Dr McCullough!

  23. Mike says:

    Ben … thank you for coming out with this podcast and up holding your word! My faith in you is renewed. More information on this subject would be appreciated.


  24. Perry says:

    Now if only you can get an interview with Ryan Cole…he is close to you in Idaho…top notch pathologist! The one question you did not ask Ben is whether people have seen marked increases in previous cancers after taking the jabs…Ryan Cole said he has seen a huge increase.

    watch this one….

  25. DAVID MCILMOYL says:

    An absolutely shocking mix of hand picked facts, unproven speculation and guesses without actual data. I fully agree early treatment at home is a good decision and appreciate his efforts here. Beyond that, very irresponsible comments about the vaccines, multiple infections, asymptomatic spread. First time I’ve ever listened to Ben and been disappointed that he gave someone airtime who did so much speculating.

    Respectfully doctor, if it doesn’t spread asymptomatically, prove it in a controlled environment. Then the actual leaders of the medical community you spend your time discretion would actually take you seriously. Same with re-infection.


    1. Cole says:

      Something tells me that you only prefer confirmation bias. Everything he speaks of is referenced. Furthermore, Dr McCullough is actively helping people since the beginning and promoting health that everyone can take part of. To me that should be celebrated. Maybe if you didn’t have anger you wouldn’t need to name call someone over a keyboard. Not trying to be mean to you, but perhaps you can learn things outside of cnn. It maybe serve you well. Cheers!

      1. Are you kidding me my Fox News friend. My brother is in unreal shape, lifts and runs every day for his entire life and I was shocked that he had more than a sniffle the FIRST time he had COVID. I told him he didnt need a booster bc he must have immunity. Guess not! He got it again just a few weeks ago and was very sick. I know many others that had COVID twice and this is the nature of this variant. So he is wrong or lying. Sure, he’s not going to die but it’s still an intense experience. After about 6 days of fever and other symptoms he finally just started walking on the treadmill since the guy can’t sit still. Screw these people who are not telling the truth! I’m a health NUT and I’m sick of these extremists on both sides. WTF is happening to our normal(ish) communty!?!?! Shame on you BEN!. If this was all a hoax why were you getting IVs and squirting Ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies (which by all by the way is a BIG PHARMA drug and as bad as the vaccine) when you had COVID. Just ride it out w your natural immunity. nope.! Same with Mr Rogan. He’s bragging he was fine in 2 days. SO was our obese, diabetic, ex prez. Also due to MONOCLONAL antibodies DRUG. Not your zinc or your NAD…the DRUG filled with lead and poisons. SO where is they outrage of hypocrisy?

        1. Joie says:

          Spot on. Im a nurse practitioner and have seen many reinfections. And yes, all of these big pharma covid therapies ( mca’s, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquinine) come with their own unique set of side effects not to mention cost and accessibility (mca’s primarily). You can eat zinc vit d, c, quercitin etc by the handfuls, shoot peptides, nad, and whatever other elitist bullshit experiments you want to try and still contract a bad infection. I am young, healthy, no underlying conditions and was the sickest I’ve ever been in my life last year despite having access to, and using all the supplemental therapies above.

          Also, lastly, think about the delivery mechanism- you are getting some of these therapies in plastic IV tubing and syringes with DEHP.

      2. Carrie says:


  26. Bruce Azzarito says:

    As usual Ben Greenfield is a leader in practical scientific information. One of the best COVID-19 sources of info I have read or listened too. Thank you Ben and Dr Peter.

  27. Erica says:

    Loved this podcast

    You touched on great valid points

    Great to have a credible source who is for safe vaccines and advocating for unsafe ones. Hoping the newer safer ones are available for all the people that choose to get it. The only way I would need to get a newer safer one is if I travel outside if the US. But waiting a year or 2 to do that. My kids will definitely not be getting one until they want one when they are an adult.

  28. Brad says:

    Ben I’m grateful that you interviewed Peter McCullough after your previous interview with Matt Cook!! Matt’s a super smart Doc, that said, Dr McCullough’s knowledge and clarity as a subject matter expert on Covid was super beneficial to hear.

  29. adriana shuman says:

    How do you actually use the povidone and Lugol’s iodine to wash out the nostrils and throat? I cant seem to find the actual protocol and how to dilute it. Can anyone point me to the right place please or explain? thank you

    1. Florian says:

      I prefer to dilute 12% H2O2 with Quinton Hypertonic to a 3% H2O2 solution and use it via ultrasonic nebulizer for sinuses, throat, eyes and ears.

    2. Alek Duggan says:

      I found this company that dilutes it for you

      1. clint moran says:

        Thanks just ordered a bunch

      2. Tessa says:

        Hi! Thank you for the link. One remark – This is handy and easy when you travel but much more expensive and you should also cleanse the sinuses. You can do that with a neti pot.
        I created the following info for my friends (in the past I worked with doctors on the topic):

        Mode of action
        Povidone-iodine (PVP-I) has effective virucidal activity (+ bactericidal + fungicidal) by those receptors inhibition and direct kill the virus by membrane disruption.
        Extensive research has been done with PVP-I on various viruses* also on corona viruses.
        Example of one study:
        PVP- I (1%) was effectively reducing the infectivity of both SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV in a invitro studies, SARS-CoV for one minute and 15-second for MERS-CoV, were associated with significant loss of viral infectivity to below detectable level [ref].
        PVP-I is well tolerated (short term usage) easy use and has 2-3 hours contamination protection properties.

        Adverse events
        Short term usage – local temporarily burning, painful sensation (on mucosa and sinuses), old debris could come out.
        The systemic absorbed free iodine will influence your thyroid function when using longterm. Use it 1-3 days.
        I expect that saline will be a more comforting base for the solution than distilled / boiled water.

        Where to treat, Covid port of entry?
        Covid enters via your nose (goes up to your sinuses), mouth, throat and eyes.
        The aim is to keep the virus from entering your cells and avoid virus multiplication in the cells because that will give the virus the chance to spread in your body.
        mouth/throat wash – gargle with PVP-I solution
        nasal spray – with PVP-I solution (there is also an ointment available – swab ointment into nose)
        sinus wash – neti pot rinse with PVP-I solution
        optional – eye drops
        So, use gargle and nasal spray every 3-4 hours (was instruction for health care provider) for 1-3 days.
        Sinuses could be more sensitive: rinse the sinuses the first time when you start the treatment and see how you can tolerate repetition.
        Since the virus will go up from your nose into the sinuses – its most important to treat your nose.

        How to make your effective solution?
        Research suggests
        1% Povidone iodine (PVP-I) with water**/0.9% Normal saline in 1:1.5 ratio mixing
        10% PVP-I with water**/normal saline in 1: 30 ratio make 0.4% dilute PVP-I can use as Mouth gargle and Nasal spray.”
        Create a warm, lower than body temp. solution – not cold, not too hot – test on your hand before you put it in your nose and sinuses.

        So it’s all about keeping the virus load as low as possible.
        The sooner you start after exposure the better: the moment you feel the first symptoms – soar throat/nasal sniffles or if you suspect contamination – start directly.

        * this will also work for other virus – colds, RSV etc.
        ** use always distilled, reverse osmosis water or boiled water

    3. Tracey says:

      I’d like to know that. too!

    4. Jeanie says:

      Follow Dr. Peter McCullough’s podcast. It’s all laid out very clearly. Everyone should clean their nose and mouth with this solution. And everyone, unlike Ben, should brush teeth at least twice a day. He’s special. Only has to brush once a day.

  30. pamela walmsley says:

    Great to have a few honest Doctors on our side. The peoples side. Not the media and big Pharma

    and others pushing vaccines for profit.

    1. Allegra says:

      Vaccines aren’t profitable whatsoever, they are dirt cheap to produce and very low yield in the long run but oral therapies and monoclonal antibodies sure are. Big pharma doesn’t give a sh** about vaccines, they are always looking for the max profit and those come in the way of novel and expensive drugs until those novel and expensive drugs patent expired and generics are allowed to be produced.

      1. Catherine says:

        “Aren’t profitable” LOL!! The deals that Pfizer signed with governments for the sale of its MRNA vaccines (that we plebs are not privy to) netted them $US33.5 billion over 1 year alone. And now we are rolling out the boosters – in my country, every 4 months… Endless demand.

        Their vaccines combined with signing exclusive deals that have severely limited competition have indeed been extremely profitable.

        Like it or not, Pfizer is a rent seeking drug cartel – benefitted greatly by wide reaching vaccine mandates that have decimated the lives of millions.

        1. Carrie says:

          You are spot on!

  31. Charles says:

    Great podcast series generally – yet some replays – so good to indicate the recording date I would suggest.
    Great tips for immune support and early treatment.
    Yet: On the antivirals – unfortunately a recent (Dec 19 2021 French study by Pasteur) concludes most antiviral medicines not effective with Omicron VofC…
    So when was this recorded?

  32. Anomaloid says:

    Glad to see that Ben had Dr. Peter McCullough on his show today. At one point early in the episode, Ben asks about a comment from a main stream media shill in response to Dr. McCullough’s appearance on the Joe Rogan show. The main stream media shill made a comment about vaccines being preferable to therapeutics because vaccines stimulate the body’s natural defense against Covid while therapeutics hijack it. I’m going to give Ben the benefit of the doubt and assume that he knows that such a comment is total bullshit. The vaccine does not stimulate the body’s normal defense against a respiratory illness. The normal mechanism for generating an immune response for a respiratory virus begins when the virus enters the nose and throat in its whole form with numerous antigens being presented to the immune system not just a portion of a genetically modified protein. COVID does not infect the body by entering via the muscular or vascular system. There’s also a good body of anecdotal evidence and now a very strong pre-print study about how the mRNA vaccines at least temporarily reprogram the innate immune system. I believe it was Dr. McCullough who said on the Joe Rogan show that regular re-injection of the protein via boosters will prevent the immune system from ever returning to baseline.……

    1. Kelly says:


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