Should You Or Your Kids Get Vaccinated? One Doctor’s Surprising Answer To Making The Big Decision On Vaccines.

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Over the past fifty years, rates of autoimmunity and chronic disease have exploded.

Currently, 1 in 2.5 American children has an allergy, 1 in 11 has asthma, 1 in 13 has severe food allergies, and 1 in 36 has autism.

While some attribute this rise to increased awareness and diagnosis, my guest on today's show, Thomas Cowan, MD, argues for a direct causal relationship to a corresponding increase in the number of vaccines American children typically receive – approximately 70 vaccine doses by age eighteen. The goal of these vaccines is precisely what we’re now seeing in such abundance among our chronically ill children: the provocation of immune response.

In his new book Vaccines, Autoimmunity, and the Changing Nature of Childhood Illness, Dr. Cowan looks at emerging evidence that certain childhood illnesses are actually protective of disease later in life; examines the role of fever, the gut, and cellular fluid in immune health; argues that vaccination is an ineffective (and harmful) attempt to shortcut a complex immune response; and asserts that the medical establishment has engaged in an authoritarian argument that robs parents of informed consent. His ultimate question, from the point of view of a doctor who has decades of experience treating countless children is…

…what are we really doing to children when we vaccinate them?

Dr. Cowan, MD, is a veteran family physician who has studied and written about many subjects in medicine, including nutrition, homeopathy, anthroposophical medicine, and herbal medicine. He is the author of Human Heart, Cosmic Heart: A Doctor’s Quest to Understand, Treat, and Prevent Cardiovascular Disease and the new book Vaccines, Autoimmunity, and the Changing Nature of Childhood Illness from Chelsea Green Publishing. He is also a founding board member of the Weston A. Price Foundation, and a frequent lecturer throughout the US and Canada.
 He's also the same doctor I mentioned in this Joe Rogan episode when I talked about how your “heart is not a pump”.

During our discussion, you'll discover:

-Dr. Cowan's experience with a childhood friend with asthma, and how it turned him onto medicine…8:00

  • The child was teased by classmates. “How dare you be sick…” He was way out of the norm.
  • Asthma is far more prevalent now than in the 60's.
  • Increasing number of adults with autoimmune issues.
  • A large number of people diagnosed with autism become institutionalized.

-The story of William Coley's Toxins…12:50

  • “Give me a medicine to produce a fever, and I can cure any disease.” –Hippocrates
  • Coley was an oncology surgeon, specializing in osteosarcoma.
    • Realized his conventional treatment of sarcoma (cancer) was not effective.
    • Came upon a former patient who was scheduled to be treated for sarcoma.
    • Wound up getting treated for erysipelas (induced fever); sarcoma went away and never returned.
    • Experimented with induced fever treatment on his own patients. 40% were cured with this treatment. 40% mortality rate.
    • Inducing fever was killing the cancer.
  • Coley's Toxins has been banned as a practice in the U.S. since the 1960's.
  • “When I'm treating someone for a condition whose symptoms include a fever…If we can cure that condition without alleviating the fever, I am preemptively pushing this individual away from cancer for the rest of their life.” –Dr. Thomas Cowan

-The two branches of the immune system…21:20

  • You get exposed to measles.
  • Body is looking at infected cells.
  • Mounts a white cell response: attack and digest infected cells and clear out of the body.
  • Fever, rash, diarrhea. Basically what we call “being sick.”
  • “Being sick” is not the virus; it's your body rejecting the virus.
  • If you inhibit the cell-mediated response, you can infect and even kill people.
    • By eliminating the symptoms (fever, rash, diarrhea, etc.) you allow the virus to continue its attack on the immune system.
  • Theory of vaccines: Purely antibody strategy.
    • No cell-mediated immune system.
    • Inject the virus along with aluminum, mercury, formaldehyde, etc. to force your body to produce antibodies.
    • You end up with an accelerated antibody response.
  • 2 problems with this strategy:
    • You have zero possibility of developing lifelong immunity to a virus after it has passed.
      • Every vaccine needs to have boosters.
      • Just as susceptible as a newborn as an adult.
    • Autoimmune disease is the situation of accelerated antibodies that are targeting your own tissues.
  • Children who get chickenpox and measles have less major chronic disease later in life.
  • CDC: Anyone born before 1956 is considered to be immune to measles.

-Why the way current science believes cells operate in the immune system is flawed…31:30

  • The central paradox of mammalian cells: How does a cell live in a sodium-rich environment, yet has a sodium-poor internal milieu.
    • Balance of sodium and potassium “charges” the cell like a battery.
    • Lose the charge, you have a dead cell.
    • Each cell has a “pump” that balances the sodium and potassium.
  • Two problems with this way of thinking:
    • Cells are supposedly 70% water, but there's no water in the human body.
    • In order to create the supposed differential, a cell needs 40x the amount of energy a normal cell has just to run the “pump,” let alone its other normal functions.
  • There's not enough ATP available to be responsible for the proper distribution of sodium and potassium

-The real reason we get sick…42:50

  • The sequence: You feel good, then get a fever, then a bunch of snot, then you feel better.
  • Your body is like a gel; then it gets corrupted by a virus.
  • Your body heats up, softens the gel, gets rid of the virus, the waste of which ends up in your hanky. The gel hardens again and is immune to that disease.
  • Introducing foreign substances as you find in vaccines weakens the immune system; you keep getting sick over and over; you experience inflammation.

-Dr. Cowan's protocol for supporting the immune system based on the innate immune system response…48:40

  • Substances such as aluminum and formaldehyde interfere with the charge of the actual cells.
  • A human being is an information communication device with the rest of the world; our “radios” are out of tune with vaccines.
  • Adequate water, minerals, outside barefoot, adequate sunshine. Low hanging fruit to take care of before turning to vaccines.

-What we can do to reverse or overcome the effects of vaccinations if we've been vaccinated already…51:15

  • No one is beyond hope. Take it one step at a time.
  • Create a “cellular gel restoration program.”
  • You may need to experience the illness again. Let your body do its own house cleaning.

-The one pharmaceutical drug of which Dr. Cowan is an advocate, and why…53:45

  • Low doses of Naltrexone.
  • Discovered as opiate receptor inhibitor. (OD on heroin.)
  • When you block opiates, you block endorphins. You're not a happy camper.
  • Naltrexone tricks your body into making endorphins; makes a huge difference in people suffering from AI disease.

-How colostrum helps both children and adults with autoimmune issues…59:45

  • Stimulates healthy gut flora.
  • Prevents leakage into the bloodstream.

-And MUCH more…

Click here for the full written transcript of this podcast episode.

Resources from this episode:

My previous episodes with Dr. Cowan:

Dr. Thomas Cowan's vegetable powders

Why Your Heart Is Not A Pump (& What Most Doctors Don’t Know About The True Cause Of Heart Disease).

How (& Why) To Eat More Vegetables, Why A Plant Is Like An Upside-Down Human, Little-Known Superfood Plants & More!

The Shocking Story Of Vaccines, The Toxicity Of Ultrasounds, Why You Shouldn’t Play With Your Child & Much More With Dr. Thomas Cowan

The Insulin Of The Heart: A Little-Known Seed Extract That May Be The Future Panacea For Heart Disease.

-Book: Vaccines, Autoimmunity, and the Changing Nature of Childhood Illness

-Book: Human Heart, Cosmic Heart: A Doctor’s Quest to Understand, Treat, and Prevent Cardiovascular Disease

Gilbert Ling's books

Gerald Pollack's books

GreenfieldNaturals Whole House water filtration unit

The LDN book by Linda Elsegood

-OralIV for structured water during travel

Restore by Dr. Zack Bush

Kion Colostrum

Allergy Research desiccated organ extract

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36 thoughts on “Should You Or Your Kids Get Vaccinated? One Doctor’s Surprising Answer To Making The Big Decision On Vaccines.

  1. Kate says:

    Again, another awesome podcast. Thank you for tackling these tough subjects, you are a wealth of knowledge along with Dr. Cowan!

  2. Davy knight says:

    This nut job had his license revoked. Anyone who believes this nonsense deserves to watch their children die a horrible death. Greenfield is a delusional hack peddling garbage to rubes.

  3. Ty Thorpe says:

    This guy had his medical licensed revoked…

    Also I don’t care if one in a thousand kids die from measles or another preventable disease I wouldn’t want to put my kid at risk.

  4. Charlie says:

    Ben did/do you get your kids vaccinated? If no, then how do they attend school because our society make it virtually impossible to attend a good private school for example without immunization shots. This episode was enlightening and fantastic. Thanks for being awesome!

    1. I mention towards the end of the podcast that they have received a few vaccines, mainly for international travel. You can support the immune system with many of the strategies mentioned as well. The school thing is tricky because it varies btw schools, but I believe most have some sort of waiver to opt out (often religious reasons)

      1. Thomas says:

        So you can lie and receive a religious exemption. To endanger other students in the school. This is why exemptions are harmful to the public at large. I love the misleading titles Ben uses. It just shows how insidious Ben efforts are. Just look at all the out breaks of vaccine preventable diseases in Washington State. Check out “this podcast will kill you “ EP 21 Measles for what Ben doesn’t want you to know about MMR.

        1. Chris says:

          How exactly is he endangering other kids? If the other kids’ parents vaccinated, then they should have nothing to worry about. For someone seemingly so pro-vaccine, you don’t really seem to understand how they work.

          1. Thomas says:

            Your answer is in your question if your kid doesn’t receive the vaccine they will always be susceptible. That just makes sense also not all the other children are getting the vaccine. Because like you they think everyone else is getting the vaccine. Just look up the latest out breaks of vaccine treatable disease. Disney Land, Portland, Brooklyn. It happens in communities where people don’t vaccinate their children.

        2. Scott says:

          Science journal article

  5. SlyNate says:

    Hi Dr. Cowan & Ben,

    I am considering moving abroad in pursuit of becoming a digital nomad. My first venture is likely to be Thailand and there are recommended vaccines for foreigners before travelling there (see below).

    Hepatitis A

    Hepatitis B

    Japanese Encephalitis




    Routine Vaccinations (Tetanus, MMR, etc.)

    What is your take on the adult immune system and travelling to tropical or potentially less sanitary regions and vaccination? I know that some people suffer greatly from bouts with a few of the illnesses listed above.


    1. Easy! You support the immune system using all these strategies:

      1. SlyNate says:

        I’m not concerned about common colds, flu, etc. more about the dangerous maladies that occupy the tropics, questionable water sources, etc.

        Do you feel that your immune boosting therapies are sufficient to ward of hepatitis, malaria, and the like?

      2. Mark says:

        This episode was so sad for me because I’ve really enjoyed listening to your explorations of health and performance, but when you tell someone to support their immune system so that they don’t get rabies it’s pretty clear that you’re either trolling or pretty dense. Let’s not reject the most studied improvement to human health since clean water and germ theory, shan’t we? Climate change is a sham and the earth is flat too. Same camp.

        There is a reason why Thomas Cowan had his medical license revoked by the state of California for “unprofessional conduct” and “gross negligence”. Make your own judgement as to whether he is a persecuted guy fighting the industrial medical complex or a careless quack:

        1. Thomas says:

          For note rabies information read the book “Rabid” by Bill Wasik. Once you’ve read this you will know what a con artist a Ben is.

  6. Nicholas McMahon says:

    Can you link sources for what is claimed in the podcast? I am in physician assistant school and was talking about this in class today. Everyone wants articles to prove it! …typical

    Any help?

    1. Reply from Dr. Cowan: hi, i would go to my book and the website, and Neil Miller’s book on 400 studies on vaccines, there you will find all the references you need.

    2. Thomas says:
      Is a solid resource. For this kind of thing.

      1. Cooper says: appears to be a Big Pharma propaganda/resource

        1. Thomas says:

          .Do you have a source or is that just some canned rebuttal you give when you want to ignore the data? I’m just saying you didn’t refute the data and research on the site. Only called them shills. You either data and research driven or driven by ideology. Really what is wrong with what is on the site? Or did you just make that up?

  7. Matt Wilson says:

    Hey Ben, a lot of people including myself love to brag that they never get sick. (4 years and only a small cold!)

    We can all agree that kids being exposed to germs is good for building immunity and for your body to learn to fight.

    I cycle off vitamin C and other immune boosting antioxidants for this reason, but is it good for adults to actually get sick? Seems normal and natural. Should we put the “I don’t get sick badge of honor” to bed? Would you ever let yourself get sick?

    1. Chuck says:

      This is a great article about immunity

  8. Ben, I love your podcasts more and more, thank you so much for taking the courageous move to broadcast and discuss this topic! I am delighted to hear how you live your life and educate your children to optimise their true (health and genetic) potential. I am so thrilled Thai podcast in essence emphasises we all have an innate immune system which can keeps us healthy and well- if we allow it, enabling it to express its full potential. Of course that mean removing and avoiding all that interferes with it.
    As a chiropractor for the last 20 years, this is the message I try to express within the boundaries of my ‘professional code of conduct and professional guidelines’ (of which there are many restrictions and I was so thrilled to hear my message translated so eloquently and broadcasted on your show. Thank you 🙏🏼

  9. Mary says:

    Could you give me some advice for older people on the New Shingles vaccine. I had chicken pox as a child but REALLY do not want shingles as it can cause permanent neuropathy.

    Also I am going to Africa next year and required to get vaccinated. Would your protocol to mitigate harmful effects be Restore, colostrum, liver extract? Anything else? Thanks for all your wonderful work since episode 92

    1. Sarah says:

      Mary – look up GcMAF (Dr. Bradstreet was a big advocate of this, unfortunately he was found dead in a river, probably by big pharma). You can do injections (pretty expensive) or use Bravo yogurt or the capsules. Swish it around in your mouth for at least one minute and don’t eat or drink anything for about an hour after. Make sure to get adequate sunlight and vitamin D plus oleic acid through olive oil and/or avocados. Avoid sugar and eat a healthy diet. This will boost your immune system along with the colostrum. Vaccines are just NOT effective and will harm your immune system which will make you more vulnerable to infections and disease. A woman who is 55 years old was just forced to get 8 vaccines in order to keep her job and died 48 hours later. Please take care of yourself!!

      1. Sarah says:

        And please avoid the shingles vaccines, lots of adverse reactions being reported.

  10. Terry Sauve says:

    Dr. Cowan is my favorite guest of all time. I was lucky enough to get to be his patient when I lived in San Francisco. I really appreciate what a deep thinker he is and how you are able to get it and re-state it with such clarity. I think you both live from the heart and I will never get tired of hearing you two converse!

  11. Jaro Vavrek says:

    We loved this podcast,

    what is your take on Homeoprophylaxis program? We have a 18 months-old daughter and certainly don’t want to vaccinate her. Homeoprophylaxis seems like a good alternative, but I would love to hear your opinion.

    Thank you

    Jaro and Helena

    1. Chris says:

      I too would like to hear thoughts on homeophrophalaxis . We have our 2 year old daughter on an HP program and about to start our 1 year old daughter.

      Thank you!

      Chris and Danielle

      1. We discussed it on the previous vaccination podcast with Dr. Cowan. Check it out here…

        1. Jaro Vavrek says:

          Thank you!

  12. paul says:

    Bravo on a eye opening and brave discussion!

  13. Robert says:

    Sometimes I hear someone speak about their discoveries and their informed mindset seems to suggest that maybe we really can know everything someday.

  14. michael says:

    Really loved this podcast! I have two little ones under 4 with a third one on the way and I’m so glad I live in an age where I can educate myself with podcasts and articles instead of following the mainstream dogma. My kids are probably the main reason why I decided to go down the rabbit hole of health and longevity, and I’m so happy to have found your podcast along the way.

    I would love to hear more about the strategies you implement with your boys as far as health and beyond. Hopefully you can direct me to some previous podcasts I may have missed or maybe you could create a “kidcast” in the future for all of us parents out here trying to do our best! Thanks!

    1. Just as an FYI, subscribe to my podcast or sign up for my newsletter because I'm releasing an episode TOMORROW about this very topic.

  15. kathleen kahl says:

    Thanks for being brave enough to open the window and shine a light on this topic.
    I also woke up when I got asthma in my late 20’s to add to my increasing allergies. Mainstream has only one rock in the bucket: drugs. This is why we have become a drugged nation . They told me not to exercise since my asthma was became worse with exercise and cold air. I would have become a hermit I guess. No thanks. I had an older friend at the time (early 60’s) who unfortunately was struck with breast cancer. She told me: when you are young they tell you to not take drugs and when you get old all they want to do is push drugs on you”. That statement also woke me up. Now we are destroying the immune system of our children before they are born (they vaccinate Mom now while pregnant, even thought the insert says never tested for safety in pregnancy). They are born screwed up and put on drugs ASAP. It is a horrific perfect storm for creating Pharmaceutical customers for life. We need to wake up in this country and ask why we are raising up the sickest generation in history before it is too late. Society cannot survive with one in two people unable to care for themselves due to autism in the younger and dementia in the older.

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