[Transcript] – Quantum Biology, Breaking Performance Records, Reversing Alzheimers, Ozone Suppositories, Frog Poison & More With Crazy Mad Scientist, Biohacker & Inventor Ian Mitchell.

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[00:00:00] Introduction

[00:00:56] Podcast Sponsors

[00:04:53] The crazy foods Ben and Ian consumed prior to recording

[00:08:41] Ben and Ian discuss Biochar

[00:20:39] Amazing new ozone product produced by Wizard Science

[00:31:38] A product that may be able to reverse Alzheimer's

[00:43:50] Podcast Sponsors

[00:47:09] About Olympic RX

[00:56:30] What Ian is doing with shilajit

[01:02:02] Synthesizing peptizes without the negative physical effects

[01:11:51] How Ian comes up with new ideas

[01:21:00] How the brain is entrained by music

[01:25:30] Closing the Podcast

[01:26:54] Upcoming Events

[01:27:49] End of Podcast

Ben:  My name is Ben Greenfield. And, on this episode of the Ben Greenfield Life Podcast.

Ian:  Life is kind of a choose your own adventure novel where you have set exit points.

If you're so worried about what's to come, you can never actually be where you are. So, I thought nonaddictive opioid, that would help a lot of people. So, I set out to crack that egg.

Ben:  Did you?

Ian:  Yes, I did.

Ben:  Tell me more.

Ian:  Nothing changed. You didn't move and I just explained, “Well, yeah, it's because I was working on surrender.” So, I was part of surrendering, you truly surrender everything, all of the sensations.

Ben:  What's going through your mind when you do that?

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Oh, yeah, here we are. Beautiful, beautiful stroll outside the Greenfield home. Ian Mitchell, what's up, man?

Ian:  How is it going, Ben?

Ben:  Pretty good. So–

Ian:  Can't complain in this, right?

Ben:  No, Ian and I just finished punishing our liver smoothies. And, we're now walking down this old country road back behind my house. It's a little windy. I'll tell you guys listening in today, we got, what do they call, the blustery day. It's a blustery day as Winnie the Pooh would say.

So, Ian, how are you feeling after drinking pure raw liver?

Ian:  Dude, I've got to say that was the most nutrient-dense food I have arguably ever consumed.

Ben:  Okay. So, if you're listening, I made Ian one of my signature liver smoothies. I've said this before the podcast, I'll take liver and I soak it in buttermilk, or kefir, lemon juice for about a day or so. They'll rinse it off and blend it, just like liver puree, pour that into molds. And so, I've got these little frozen raw liver molds. So, this morning, I took about 10 of those little molds, dropped them in the smoothie bowl. Yeah, the cute little molds, cute little livers. And then, I added bone broth. I, actually, sometimes like to put something like a protein powder in there. And so, this morning, I use the A2 toddler milk formula from our friends at Serenity Foods. So, we literally had baby food and liver. There's a little bit of monk fruit in there, a little bit of stevia, and then we blend it all that up with some creatine, with some of this stuff called Neural RX, which Ian will talk to you about later on. It's this stuff that's crazy, crazy good brain food. I mean, literally. It's reversing Alzheimer's and all sorts of crazy stuff. And so, we put some of his stuff in there, and then we topped it with bee pollen, and gluten-free granola, and cacao nibs. Boom.

Ian:  Unbelievable. Truly delicious. Actually, that is not hyperbole, it's just really, really delicious. Oddly, I was thinking, man, this might kill me, but it was great.

Ben:  And then, tonight, what I did yesterday was I took a bunch of these big old grass-fed grass-finished beef briskets and soaked them in apple cider vinegar and organic wine and bone broth with cinnamon and cacao, oregano, salt, and black pepper. And so, those soaks for about 24 hours, marinaded, and then I put them on the smoker this morning at about 6:00 a.m., and they'll smoke at about 165 on the Traeger to about 3:00 p.m. this afternoon. And then, I'll wrap them in butcher paper and cover them in juices and suet, beef suet, which is this fat. So, this fat will drip up these things for the next three hours. And then, I'll pull them, I'll wrap them in towels, I put them in a cooler. And then, at about 7:00 p.m. tonight, I'll pull it and slice it against the grain. We're going to have Texas-style brisket.

Ian:  Yeah. This is a meat-a-palooza.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. So, anyways, though, but that's really not the topic of today's podcast. It's not meat and liver, although actually, it'd be interesting Ian for you to share because you were on the show. And, for those of you who want to access the shownotes, I'll link to the show I did with Ian who visited Spokane two and a half years ago. And, we did a show all about this C60, stuff called Buckminsterfullerene and how it works for hair growth and anticancer and all that crazy stuff a C60 can do. And so, I'll link to that previous podcast if you go to the shownotes at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/WizardScience, BenGreenfieldFitness.com/WizardScience, because that's the name of Ian's company.

And so, he's just been up to so many interesting things. He's a crazy, crazy madman inventor, the genius mastermind behind a lot of the different supplements and products you see out there. Ian is kind of responsible behind the scenes for helping out with this. So, this is what he does. He got a crazy inventor lab in Oklahoma. And so, anyways, so Ian's been up to a bunch. So, I have him back out and we had a jam for a while and talked about the latest and the greatest in the realm of nutritional science and beyond, including, Ian, this stuff called Biochar you were telling me about last night. So, I found this absolutely intriguing. Tell me about Biochar.

 Ian:  Okay. So, it's kind of interesting. So, not to be confused with BioCharged, which is a company that I work with that develops supplements. So–

Ben:  Or, the BioCharger.

Ian:  The BioCharger, which is a very cool tesla-based device that we all, I think, kind of play with and use because it's actually very brilliant.

So, Biochar is the type of carbon that you make in a low oxygen environment. So, it's a low oxygen pyrolysis. And, you basically, you put in some sort of biomass, which could be typically I use things that are cellulostics like wood fiber, cardboard, bushes, food waste, stuff like that. Anything that has a cellulose content. And then, basically, you reduce the oxygen in the environment and you crank up the heat to say in the case of what I'm doing about 1,500 degrees and you reduce it and forms the stabilized type of carbon. And, depending on how you play it, you can get very small pores or larger pores. So, it's [00:10:22] ____ veracity depending on the volume of the–

Ben:  Okay, like super concentrating [00:10:26] _____.

Ian:  Yeah. So, when you look at it, the first thing that it can be used for that's great is the soil amendment. Nobody will see this, but we're walking next to this big field right now. And, the difference between dirt and soil is dirt is basically dead, doesn't have any nutrients. And, NPKs, nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, that's kind of what makes most foods grow and grow and healthy–

Ben:  That's typically how dirt is fertilized in the U.S.

Ian:  Yeah. And so, Biochar is this kind of amazing thing when you use it as a soil amendment and you spread it on the soil. If you have food waste and things like that, mix with it, it'll attach to the nutrients in the pores, and it does kind of a time-release on the nutrients going out into the crops. We've actually done this side by side. If you look at something like fertilize, the traditional method, versus fertilize with Biochar, the side that has the Biochar is beautiful. The crop yields are higher. It's just kind of this amazing substance.

Ben:  So, it's basically a carbon but it's taking all the nutrients and somehow siphoning those into the actual plants?

Ian:  Yeah. So, it's kind of a time-release. It's almost a delayed-release nutrient base. So, it releases everything in a more conducive fashion for plant cycling. 

Oh, actually this morning. Let's say you gave me 4 gallons of liver smoothie. Might be the best in the world–

Ben:  Let's do it tomorrow morning. Sounds like a party.

Ian:  Yeah, liver smoothie breakfast. So, I wouldn't be able to consume it. And, that's kind of the way that we fertilize things very frequently in agriculture on a mass scale, is we just put all the fertilizer out, and then the first heavy rain that comes by, it's gone.

Ben:  Okay.

Ian:  So, if you can stabilize it in something that does a delayed time-release, it's kind of going into your kitchen and having a cup of smoothie every day for a month as opposed to you putting 4 gallons of smoothie on the table and go, “Have at it.”

Ben:  And so, you can just turn out this Biochar in your lab and ship it out to farmers or whatever?

Ian:  No. So, my lab looks kind of the ultimate mad scientist playground. So, I've got a huge component of fabrication shops, and some biochem, and some physics, and all kinds of craziness there. But, we're actually developing a new method, well, it's actually developed, but we're building the prototypes right now so that we can produce this and get it out to people in scale because it's a brilliant substance. The problem is just worldwide, there's not really enough of it.

Ben:  So basically, if someone got Biochar, let's say you had it for your garden, would you just spread it and mix it into the soil?

Ian:  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's great. I mean, you can buy it online. I mean, I have a ton of it at the lab that I just found sources online. Just nobody's doing it at scale. But, it's–

Ben:  Okay. So, that's the issue is Biochar exists as a thing. So, I thought I'd heard about it before. You were telling me about it yesterday, but it's not something that can be produced in mass on scale right now.

Ian:  No, not at the kind of scale that it needs. I mean, my take and the guys I worked with, no joke, were literally out trying to help and save the world as best we can. And, the crux of that sometimes means we have to do things at a large scale. And, if you find something that's basically a panacea, but nobody's really going to have access to it, it really doesn't help. It's the same reason with Carbon60, then I'm refining the production methods on that because it's brilliant, it does all these amazing things. But, the cost basis is so high to actually get the raw materials that it's not going to be possible for the average consumer.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. And so, this Carbon60 stuff, we did a podcast about it but in terms of what it actually is. I mean, I know it's such a feature part of a lot of the stuff being produced out of your labs, out of Wizard Sciences that we should probably, just for people who didn't listen to that other podcast, explain what this actual carbon molecule is because you were working with this form of carbon before you were working with Biochar, right?

Ian:  Yeah, absolutely.

Ben:  Yeah. [00:14:37] _____ with carbon.

Ian:  I am. And, I play with graphitic nanofibers and graphene and all kinds of stuff. [00:14:44] _____ a lot of the research I do does just come back to carbon. So, Wizard Sciences is kind of the crux, the epicenter of all things Carbon60. So, what we're trying to do there is figure out big problems like Alzheimer's, physical ailments, arthritis, autoimmune conditions. Not that those are popping up everywhere and–

Ben:  Yeah. And, it's different, Wizard Sciences is more the consumable supplement type of things that people would use versus this Biochar that's a different company.

Ian:  Yeah, totally different company.

Ben:  Okay. Biochar was just a different way to play with carbon. 

Ian:  Yeah. So, it's a way to get it out to mass agriculture, so we can ship the environment. Because also, as water goes through, it purifies the water, it detoxifies. [00:15:34] _____ almost if instead of putting glyphosate or something that's just a really bad broad-spectrum toxin on soil, if you put something out that actually was an activated charcoal filter, when the rain hits, instead of leaching things into the water system that are really harmful, you're purifying the water from the air so that if there's anything coming down, it stratifies out just like you'd run it in the column in a lab.

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  Separate out the good stuff from the bad and let it roll.

Ben:  And, by the way, because I want to get back to C60 but I forgot. This Biochar thing, is this related to that black concrete that you're showing me?

Ian:  Yeah. Actually, it is. It's one of the–

Ben:  Okay. So, explain to me what this black concrete is because it's pretty sexy.

Ian:  Actually, it is sexy, it looks just like onyx. So, in order to reduce the burden of some of the components in concrete on the environment, because concrete is, if it were a country, it would be the third-largest offender in the world in terms of greenhouse gases. So, China would be number one, the U.S. would be number two, and then concrete, the republic of concrete would be three.

And so, the idea was I was working with a friend of mine, Bobby Dillard, and we were trying to figure out things that would kind of move the needle, and this was one of them. So, we had originally started looking at knocking out the greenhouse gas effects and making carbon-neutral concrete. So, I tried it, hammered it out, literally just took a couple weeks, no big deal. Very easy. Then I thought, well, I could probably do better. And, I didn't know if I could not. But then, I ramped up everything and I started figuring out some kind of odd combinatory things and was able to get concrete that performed more effectively, Ben. Most standard mixes out there, which is just kind of in concrete [00:17:24]_____ strength based on how much [00:17:26] _____ is actually in it.

So, once we got it up to that threshold, the idea was to basically see how carbon negative I can make it. So, it ended up being negative 24%. So, the 8% that would be produced would then drop another 24 negative. So, all in all, if you could literally get everybody to shift to this not that that is going to happen, but if they did, a third of the greenhouse gases would go away overnight.

Ben:  Because there's concrete that literally sequesters carbon.

Ian:  Yeah. And, the concrete is the most widely used building material in the world. So, if everybody shifted to this and it's honestly, it's an easy method to do from the standpoint of the people preparing the concrete because that was one of the other things I've gone through is if it's some really kind of strange arcane process with all these different components, it's very difficult to do in this rigorous process, people aren't going to do it.

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  So, from the standpoint of the guys actually batching and mixing, it's identical from the standpoint of the guys laying the concrete identical. It saved the fact that it looks like black onyx.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. No, it's pretty cool. By the way, I've got two commercial real estate guys coming to our brisket party tonight. So, they definitely want you to fill me in on this black concrete. It really is cool.

I'm into these building materials. Like I was telling you, for this place, I'm building in Idaho, I'm looking into moon wood, which it naturally blocks 5G and EMF, naturally mold-resistant, naturally fire-resistant, great insulatory material. It's called moon wood. And, a lot of people don't know about it. But–

Ian:  Is it actually grown in the moon?

Ben:  It's not actually grown in the moon. I think they actually import some of it from Japan. Yeah, it's called moon wood. So, because this moon build that I'm doing down in Idaho, I'm doing a full biogeometry analysis of the land for everything from geopathic stressors where the bedrooms or the beds are placed to building materials, all VOC, all-metal shielded ethernet cables in home like same way I did my home here in Spokane that I unfortunately and sadly as we were talking about building a cell or turn into a retreat center. But, this place in Idaho, I was thinking might also be a cool spot to try some of that black concrete on.

Ian:  Well, I got to tell you, man, I'm going to hazard a guess based on the profile that you just rattled off. I bet there's a high concentration of some sort of free carbon in there because in the moon wood.

Ben:  Yeah, I don't know.

Ian:  If it's imported from Japan, my guess would be that there's some sort of soil that's high in an ash concentration or something like that because the properties that you just said usually would elicit that kind of response in a media of some sort, especially something cellulostic.

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  If you can bind some sort of EMF break, Biochar actually works famously well for that.

Ben:  Really?

Ian:  Yeah.

Ben:  Interesting. Could you put Biochar in the building materials that are basically black concrete–

Ian:  It is. Yeah. [00:20:23] _____, yeah. There's actually–

Ben:  You can technically have a home kind of built out of Biochar.

Ian:  Yeah, yeah. You can go to the International Biochar Institute page. It's a good repository ventilation. There's a ton of stuff there.

Ben:  Wow. Wow, this is super cool.

Okay. So, I want to talk about some of these products that you're making with Wizard Sciences. And, I didn't totally tell you this. And, this is going to maybe not take you by surprise, but I put one of your products up my ass this morning.

Ian:  Alright.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. So, is this stuff that's basically it's an ozone capsule. What's it called? Resistor?

Ian:  Oh, okay. So, BioCharged Resistor.

Ben:  Okay. So, yeah, you call it BioCharged Resistor. This is the other form of the Biochar you're talking about. And, you sent it to me, and I thought, you know what, I sometimes do rectal insufflation of ozone, which is great. It's the fastest way to get ozone in your bloodstream without spending a ton of money going to some doctor going to do an ozone IV–

Ian:  That's literally why I made it. Exactly.

Ben:  And then, orally, because I used to have SIBO, and this is one of the ways I got rid of it was I would drink ozonated water because ozone is a really good way to knock out bacteria. And so, these capsules, you sent it to me, I took a couple for a couple of days and I'd be burping up ozone. It was the cleanest burps ever. And, I thought, gosh, why waste my time making an ozone bag for rectal ozone insufflation to get my bloodstream? Why can't I just pop one of these up there? So, I did that. And, I felt a little of that same surge of energy that I get when I do ozone rectal insufflation with ozone bag.

Ian:  Oh, yeah.

Ben:  And so, tell me about what this stuff actually is.

Ian:  Okay. So, it's ozonated oil. So basically, you take a sunflower oil, and then you reduce it. Now, everybody, I get this [00:22:10] _____, they go, “That's polyunsaturated fatty acid.” Well, no, it's not. And, the reason for that is you've done a triple pass redox reaction, so you reduce it, reduce it, reduce it.

Ben:  The sunflower oil?

Ian:  Yeah. And, at the end of the day, it's basically 9-oxononaol, 1-nonaol or 9-oxononanoic acid. And so, all this stuff has been reduced and it's got this one unstable oxygen molecule, or oxygen atom rather kicked off the side of the chain. And so, when you ingest that, it reacts, and that oxygen comes off into. It's kind of a smart bomb for things like SIBO. And, actually, the intent really was–

Ben:  For spontaneous bacterial or–

Ian:  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, take it on an empty stomach first thing in the morning and it'll open up in your stomach. It's got an enteric coating, so if you take it with food, it's more of a time releasing–

Ben:  Yeah, I've actually been. If I take it orally, I haven't time it apart from any other supplements just because it's ozone, so powerful.

Ian:  Yeah.

Ben:  Especially if you take it with probiotics, it's going to nuke any probiotics you might take along with it.

Ian:  Well, the thing that's interesting about it is normal ozonated oil is good, but this is better. And, I can say it because I have the lab data to show it. What happens is I wanted to do something that was in the same size but that was almost akin to doing full ozone therapy. And so, I looked back at kind of the origin of this thing. And, Tesla was the first path that actually hit ozonated oil. And–

Ben:  Nikola Tesla.

Ian:  Yeah, Nikola Tesla. Yeah. And, he had the Tesla ozonated oil company back in 1904. And, yeah, he developed a portable ozone generator, and then he used it to make ozonated oil. And, they used it as a salve in World War I and a bunch of other places. And, it was purported to be this amazing oil that had all these great properties.

Ben:  Yeah. I mean, you could still buy an ozonated oil salve. The company that makes my ozone generator, Longevity USA, they make a salve. Yeah.

Ian:  And so, the difference is the way–

Ben:  It's like Vaseline that smells like a chlorine pool basically.

Ian:  Yeah. Actually, I'm still not a fan of the smell of this stuff. But, yeah, I mean, you can't argue with the results. And so, the way that Tesla did it was different than the way anybody else did it, which was straight-up genius. It took me a little while to figure out what was going on because everybody else just takes either sunflower oil or olive oil, and they bubble ozone through it, and then it stabilizes and reduces [00:24:45] _____.

Ben:  Right. And, you bubble the ozone through the oil because that stabilizes it. So, if you are going to ingest the ozone or breathe in the ozone, you're not damaging the lungs from the ozone because it's encapsulated with the lipid.

Ian:  Yeah, exactly. And so, you're stabilizing this thing, the viscosity shifting and it's becoming more of a gel all the time. Well, Tesla, the bright guy that he was, put it over these giant high-strength magnetic field beds, and he would electrify the beds, magnetize them. And, ozone is polar, so these stabilized ozone molecules after you react, and they still have this one oxygen kicked off in their lipid form. And so, it's a polar molecule, just meaning that it has a charge in an orientation. So, he was using these giant electric field beds with the magnetism to basically line them up in a single file line so that they wouldn't react and so that they'd be more potent when they were either applied topically or ingested. It was brilliant.

Ben:  Yeah. Okay. So, are you doing the same thing to make these ozone capsules?

Ian:  No. Actually, so I looked at that and thought, holy cow, that guy is really genuinely smart. And, nobody else has done that probably for the past 120 years or so. And, I think honestly, it's just because they didn't realize what he was doing. If you can make something in eight weeks, and you can do in two weeks, business would dictate that you do in two weeks, right?

Ben:  Right.

Ian:  And so, everybody just thought he was some kook, but turns out not a kook, just very brilliant. So, I thought, well, I could do that and I did. But then, I thought, what would he do if he were around now because I've got 100 years of tech? So, I started testing it, and I came up with a way to do this plasma confinement field and then get everything oscillating so that I could entrain all of the molecules so that they would be moving coherently. And, I always say the difference of the example is like a light bulb and a laser, same amount of photons. One is in a coherent form, one is an incoherent form. One will warm a hot dog, one will punch a hole through a steel. So, it's all about the coherence and the focus.

And so, I came up with a system that would entrain them, and that was cool, tested really well, definitely had much more pop, but it would bleed off after a couple of hours. So, how do I fix that? So then, I started thinking about lasers making holograms. And, if you think of a pane of glass, it's actually an amorphous solid, it's not crystal into the structure, it isn't defined rigidly. So, if you dropped out the temporal scale and said, I'm going to look at a sheet of glass over the next 10,000 years, it'd basically be a soap bubble just running down the paint.

Ben:  Okay.

Ian:  And, it would pull at the bottom. So, that's happening in a temporal scale that's different. And then, the gel that I had is more similar to a piece of glass than say, I don't know, a femtosecond pulse laser. So, what I did was I set up this big system inside the plasmid containment with dichroic beam splitters and lasers so that I could fire a pulse and basically lock a static waveform in, which sounds kind of odd, but proofs in the pudding. This stuff works.

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  It's interesting, actually.

Ben:  You're locking the static waveform inside the capsule.

Ian:  Yeah, basically you're making a holographic gel.

Ben:  That's pretty cool.

Ian:  Yeah. Well, if you've ever looked at–

Ben:  And so, the biological effect of that would be basically more stable ozone?

Ian:  Yeah. It's a more stable coherent ozone.

Ben:  Right.

Ian:  I would say that the molecular signal is the same, but the volume is up. So, because of the coherence, you're increasing effectively the amplitude of the waveform. The waveform is the same, but the amperage has been up. So, you got the same wavelength, but the amplitude is much higher so it hits a lot harder. I mean, you know that, you've taken it.

Ben:  Yeah. What's the best way to use this stuff? Because I've literally just been putting capsule at the bottom. I wake up and let it get into the bloodstream that way.

Ian:  Honestly, that's great. Suppository is a terrific way to do it. The reason it's in the enteric coating is so that if you take in the morning, apart from the other supplements, and with food, that's probably ideal.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. Oh, and by the way, one thing we mentioned was I actually just put out a podcast today about this full-body stem cell procedure that I did down in Park City, Utah, with Dr. Harry Adelson. And, they did the oil change for my bloodstream before we did that protocol. It's called extracorporeal blood ozonation and oxygenation where they literally, well, ozonated blood, exposed it to UV A, B, and C, exposed it to infrared, and then it goes out of one arm through all these treatments, dialysis filter, then back in the other arm. And, you mentioned, “Oh, well, they should make sure that people are not using ozone prior to that treatment” and I thought, “Well, gosh, we should tell people this on the podcast just in case there's a lot of docs doing this protocol now.”

Ian:  Actually, no, ozone was cool. It was C60.

Ben:  Oh, C60. Okay, sorry, sorry. Okay, explain that.

Ian:  Okay. So, C60, it's Carbon60. And again, that's kind of the crux of most of the stuff at Wizard Sciences is based around that molecule. So, the issue is–

Ben:  And, that's the molecule, by the way, it's one of the only molecules that exist that's been shown to literally reverse aging.

Ian:  Yeah, it's kind of an amazing substance. I'm still dumbfounded by it all the time. But, the problem with doing any sort of UV therapy is that it's an incredibly antioxidant, but it's also a really potent prooxidant. So, what happens is if you've stimulated with the certain frequencies of light, certain wavelengths trigger it to pump out singlet oxygen. And so, basically, that will just life the cell wall–

Ben:  Yeah, which is just a nuke the cells.

Ian:  Yeah. You're just dropping. Yeah, it's like a low yield nuke–

Ben:  So, you would not want to go get some kind of blood irradiated light exposure after having consumed something with C60 in it.

Ian:  Yeah, it's not–

Ben:  It's Bad News Bears, which should be pretty few and far between, but I'm sure there are some people out there who take supplements with C60 who also go and do these blood irradiation treatments that should really, really not–

Ian:  Yeah, you need to dial it back for about 10 days to two weeks before you do the therapy.

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  I mean, great in concert, but separated temporally. You got to space it out. Otherwise, you're hammering yourself because it really does. I mean, I'll show you a picture. You can even post it in the shownotes of how badly it will wipe the cells before it goes back in if it gets exposed to UV. It's frightening.

Ben:  Okay. Well, that's good to know. Random bit of trivia for the extremely small subset of the population who's taking C60 and go get their blood ozonated.

Okay. So, that product is called the BioCharged Resistor?

Ian:  Yup.

Ben:  BioCharged Resistor. Okay. So, that's a cool one for anybody who wants ozone but doesn't have an ozone generator and wants to take it orally or do it suppository like I do with the ozone capsule.

Now, there's another one that I find intriguing that you explained to me yesterday how you feel this has the potential to reverse Alzheimer's. I would love for you to tell this story and explain this stuff to us because this is actually what we put in our smoothie today, which is why we're just obviously so intelligent right now. And, I'm sure peoples have smoke coming out their ears just trying to keep up with our mental firepower. But, go ahead with Neural RX. What is this stuff?

Ian:  So, Neural RX is it's caprylic acid, which is a fraction of MCT, so it's the carbonate chain.

Ben:  This is what a lot of people put in their coffee. Dave Asprey has marketed that as brain octane.

Ian:  Yeah.

Ben:  It was bulletproof brain octane, but that's C8, caprylic acid. 

Ian:  Yeah, it's just caprylic acid. And, the joke there is it's octanoic acid. So, C8 octanoic brain octane. It's kind of scientific humor.

Ben:  That always went over my head. Okay.

Ian:  Yeah, it's nerd humor. Basically, you take caprylic acid and you bind it with a nanoparticle and it becomes this beautiful purple color. And, the reason I did that is I was trying to figure out how to roll back Alzheimer's. That was the goal. And, for people that don't have a cognitive deficit, it's fantastic as a nootropic. It'll light you up. So, I looked at kind of the pathogenesis of Alzheimer's and thought, okay, how does this work? And, what I came up with was that it wasn't actually a disease in the classical sense of some sort of pathogen like pathogenic incursion, what it actually is is a protective mechanism run amok. So, if you think of the omentum, that kind of lazy band around your midsection, it's O-M-E-N-T-U-M.

Ben:  Yeah, it kinds of surrounds all the intestines and everything. Yeah.

Ian:  So, what your body does if you have something that's acidic, just too sugary or something like that and it's going to potentially skew your pH or even something too basic but specifically with acidity, it'll pack it in a little fat capsule and shroud it and throw it down and pack it around your midsection. So, you end up with a lot of lacy fans of fat around your mid-section and visceral adipose tissue. Bad thing. But, the body is going, “Oh, well, I can either look chunky and have a lot of mass to carry around, or I can die because my blood pH is altered,” which is worse. So, it has all these mechanisms to basically hold things in stasis so that you reach a balance and you can keep moving. So, with the brain, the brain of course has systems like that too. So, kind of what I surmised, and my whole hypothesis was, “Oh, well, your brain's trying to keep itself healthy. So, what's it doing?” Well, whether it's some exogenous or endogenous pathogen that comes in, it could be P. gingivalis, mercury, glyphosate, whatever, it's going to pack it with proteins or amyloid plaques or something like that. And, your brain only cleans itself briefly, so it uses this thing called the glymphatic system.

Ben:  Right. That's the thing when people are sleeping and they're laying on their side, it was that kind of the recent glymphatic drainage craze that kind of pumped out a lot of recommendations to make sure you get your sleep so your brain can do its clean up while you sleep.

Ian:  Yeah, that's exactly it. And so, for people that don't have really potent glymphatic systems and they're not clean in their brain, over time, you end up with this situation where you get a negative feedback loop because you've got all these plaques and proteins that are building up in your noggin at the same time that the energetics of your neurons are dropping and your mitochondria pumping out less ATP. And, it's kind of this negative cascade. And so, it just has a propensity towards falling down, down, down. And, eventually, you've reached this point where it can't keep up. And, that's when people start to have really bad cognitive deficits and drops. And so, I thought, “Well, I can't solve it with one thing, what do I need to do?” So, I kind of fell back, regrouped, and thought, “Okay, I need to get something to drop neural inflammation.” So, I put the components together with the C60 coupled acrylic acid because it hits your liver fractionates into beta-hydroxybutyrate with the C60 still abducted and bounces up to your brain.

Ben:  And so, that's important because a lot of folks who make the C60 supplements will use olive oil, but by using caprylic acid, you're actually bypassing the gastric digestion process going straight to the liver, churning out the beta-hydroxybutyrates and getting that C60 as an anti-inflammatory straight into neural tissue without having to go through digestion.

Ian:  Exactly. Let the body do what it does.

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  I mean, that's the thing. You can either take kind of the very frequent allopathic medical approach and just hammer on stuff and try and use a bigger hammer to get it done. Or, you can just let the body do what it's supposed to do. I kind of prefer the latter.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah, totally. Okay. So, you got the neural inflammatory component, the anti-inflammatory component, but are you putting anything else in there?

Ian:  Yeah, a ton of stuff. So, in order to upregulate the energetics so that it triggers the glymphatic system to start taking out the trash, I've put a couple of components in there like NMN, nicotinamide mononucleotide, resveratrol–

Ben:  Right, which is the form of NAD that's most beneficial for hypothalamic tissue and–

Ian:  Exactly.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah.

Ian:  Yeah. So, I have that stacked in there to upregulate the energetics inside the cells and the neurons. But, the problem with that is the masses over time have become really large. So, I put a proteolytic enzyme in there so that actually small enough to bypass the blood-brain barrier.

Ben:  Okay.

Ian:  So then, it goes in, starts breaking down all of the tau proteins, beta-amyloid plaques to smaller pieces. And, the example I always–

Ben:  Which proteolytic enzyme do you use?

Ian:  Serratiopeptidase.

Ben:  Serratiopeptidase. Okay, got it.

Ian:  Yeah. So, basically, if you're trying to move rocks with a hose and you have a low-pressure hose, you're not going to move big rocks. So, you have to break them down into small components. So, you use the proteolytics to actually go in and start cracking that into smaller pieces–

Ben:  Right. That's the same stuff we put into Kion Flex for soreness, by the way. That's our top-selling joint supplement, is it's got a lot of the serratiopeptidase and proteolytic enzymes in it because it's wonderful for soreness also.

Ian:  Yeah. It actually was a drug in Japan for about 34 years and then it got downregulated to a supplement because they weren't able to show that enough, it was getting into the tissues. But, I think the way that both you and I are approaching it is if you couple it with the right things, you can actually get enough of it into the body to do something beneficial. So, that handled the component of breaking it down size-wise. The upping the energetics triggers the lymphatic system dropping out the neural inflammation. And then, the other component is triggering an upregulation of neurogenesis. So, you're actually ending up with more neurons at a faster pace.

Ben:  Wow.

Ian:  Because your body actually produces new neurons every day. The problem is they're insanely resource consumptive.

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  So, your brain accounts for 2.5% of your body mass, sucks down between 20 and 25% of your oxygen capacity. So, it's highly consumptive, and so your body being the super hyper-efficient thing it is always looks for the best and most beneficial homeostasis. So, it sees those neurons. And, if they're not underload and not necessary, it goes through synaptic pruning every single day and kills them.

Ben:  Wow.

Ian:  Yeah. So, the way to bypass that, and this is why I always tell people that don't have a cognitive deficit, if you're going to take Neural RX as a nootropic in about week 3, start doing something that you've never done before, cognitive.

Ben:  Okay.

Ian:  Yeah. And, you've probably heard me say that. So, the gig is if you put yourself under a new cognitive load, your brain will submit those neurons into place and won't synaptically prune them. If you don't, then it's going to follow its normal path through all the pathways that are already previously myelinated. It will go, “Oh, this is extraneous. I don't need it.”

Ben:  Right, right. So, I mean, that makes sense from a nootropic standpoint, but I mean as far as Alzheimer's go, what would happen if somebody like I know you can't make health claims and stuff, but let's say theoretically someone with dementia or Alzheimer's were to take this, I don't know if they have, I mean, what would you expect?

Ian:  I would expect that you would see a massive shift in their cognitive performance and a large reversal of the disease.

Ben:  Have you had anybody with Alzheimer's actually tried it?

Ian:  I have. And, I–

Ben:  Thumbs up, thumbs down.

Ian:  Well, I'll do it right here.

Ben:  Okay.

Ian:  So, the FDA, being what it is, I can't make any–

Ben:  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think it's a fantastic idea because that approach, it's multifactorial. You're accelerating lymphatic drainage, increasing synaptic pruning, providing with a decrease in neural inflammation, decreasing the tau and amyloid plaque formation, essentially tackling a lot of the mechanisms of Alzheimer's from multiple angles with one product.

Ian:  Yeah. Sadly, it's not one pill. I'm sure, or other otherwise people would want it. But, the way I see a human body is we operate on so many different levels: chemical, biochemical, photonic, auditory. I mean, there's all these sorts of interactions you can have.

Quantum biology is the one that probably excites me the most because I can do things in the lab now and I have data on it that I, to be honest, don't quite understand yet but it's there and it's repeatable. So–

Ben:  Like what?

Ian:  Well, I can change the redox potential of different molecules without actually affecting the molecular configuration. So, from the standpoint of running it on a GCMS, or an HPLC, which are just analytical tools, you see no difference. But–

Ben:  So, for people who don't know, it's gas chromatography and liquid chromatography. Yeah.

Ian:  Right. So, when you run those, that's how you identify what a compound is. It isolates the molecule based on the emissions and you can see what it is.

Ben:  Right. Just isolation identification.

Ian:  Yeah, exactly. And so, the thing is it's the same molecule. It looks the same, but the function is different. And so, the way I keep thinking about it is it's kind of like if you looked at a box and said, “Okay, this box is made of lead, this box is made of wood.” They look identical, but they function very differently. So, from the standpoint of science, we're not quite at the point where we have the tools to really accurately assess what's under the hood. I liken it to Van Leeuwenhoek. Pre-microscope, the common thought was, “Oh, your body is hurt because the humors are affecting that and spirits are getting it.” Van Leeuwenhoek comes along was like, “Oh, you look at that little bitty bugs.”

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  We're at the threshold of seeing something new and it's not quite quantifiable yet, it's repeatable. But, that's the beauty of science.

Ben:  Quantum biology is absolutely fascinating. The ability to be able to direct small packets of energy and actually influence. Even last night, we ordered chicory tea at the restaurant and using quantum biological principles in our hands and some would do qigong practice literally everybody at the table tried, pre- and post-, the effects of us directing energy onto chicory tea. And, it went from bitter to smooth and sweet. And, it wasn't one person at the table who notices, everybody, taste of the change. It's crazy.

Ian:  Yeah. And, the thing with that is it's repeatable. You know the old adage of your mom's cooking is made with love, it's better for you?

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  Well, as it turns out, it appears that even at a subatomic level that is in fact–

Ben:  Meaning, as the emotions of love, peace, and joy, those frequencies can actually change the vibration and therefore the taste, and smell, and sensation derived from food.

Ian:  Yeah. And, we don't–

Ben:  And, that's quantum biology.

Ian:  Yeah, we don't really understand how the vibrational component of small packets of energy directed at something can do that because from the classical perspective, it's not doing anything. But, when you run redox potential on it and you see a shift that's very definable every time you go, “Well, what the hell? I don't get it.” And, I still, I really don't get it yet. I will hopefully. Hopefully, I'll crack that egg.

Ben:  Alright, there's this company called HigherDOSE. I've had them on my podcast. They make really cool, basically, it's like home biohacking stuff. And, their products are littered all over my basement. They have a portable infrared sauna blanket that you can wrap yourself in that's literally a warm dose of sunshine that releases all these happy chemicals in your body. But, unlike most saunas and heating blankets, they're extremely low in EMF radiation. So, you get all the benefits of the increased blood flow and the feel-good effects when you wrap yourself in this thing. If I'm taking a nap, I get inside that or my hyperbaric chamber. If I'm laying down and watching some with my kids, I wrap myself in the sauna blanket. If I get sick, man, drink some electrolytes, wrap yourself in that thing, sweat it out even if you don't have a full-on sauna. Sauna Blanket is amazing, super portable too.

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But, I think this one's called Olympic RX. Tell me about that one.

Ian:  So, I actually made this for some guys that were doing the Olympic trials for pole vault or reverse limbo as I was calling it last year. And, they were trying to get 1 to 2% increases as most guys at that capacity are and they started getting like 13 to 17% bumps in their output performance. It's crazy actually. And, I'll give you a picture you can post. One of the guys, they measured their grip strength because they have to go up and they rotate on the pole and–

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  It's kind of when you shake hands with these guys, it's shaking hands with a giant crap.

Ben:  Vice grip.

Ian:  Yeah, they'll crush your fingers.

Ben:  Same as the average plumber or mechanic.

Ian:  Right. They have four arms like Popeye. And so, these guys, they would measure their grip strength and their grip strength is 165-ish, was a really great grip strength. And, they started hitting 200, 200 plus. And, one of them actually cracked the machine that measures the grip strength. I'll show you the picture, it's hilarious. They sent it to me like, “Oop, Olympic at work.”

And so, basically, you were alluding earlier to most people use olive oil. Well, in this case, I did use olive oil.

Ben:  Those people use olive oil or the oil that they use is C6.

Ian:  Yeah, exactly. So, I use this with olive oil because olive oil goes through the majority of your cells as opposed to trying to target neural tissue. So, this stuff does the same basic approach except it's got beta-alanine, so you can up muscular output, astaxanthin, which is really great. I'm sure everybody can look at this. The same thing with NMN, resveratrol, CoQ10, PQQ. Actually, with the PQQ, I found that there was such a shift in output that I needed actually more mitochondria to buffer the load. So, which is something you–

Ben:  PQQ is amazing. I think PQQ, CoQ10, and maybe MitoQ to a certain extent sometimes combined with glutathione, that's kind of mitochondrial food. It sounds like you've kind of taken that and step it up a little bit.

Ian:  Yeah. I won't say I cracked the code on it for sure, but I will say that I made some really good strides in the stuff I was seeing in terms of ATP output was stupid. It was just–

Ben:  How are you measuring ATP output?

Ian:  You actually use luciferase. So, you use [00:49:42]_____. So, it's basically I use citation 6, was actually the piece of equipment in the lab and you put it in and it phosphoresces when hitting certain frequency lights so you can actually see what the ATP concentration is.

Ben:  Sorry. So, you basically taking this Olympic RX formula and then bathing cells in vitro and then measuring with luciferase the ATP production by the cells?

Ian:  Yup, that's exactly right.

Ben:  That's cool.

Ian:  Yeah.

Ben:  Interesting.

Ian:  Well, you got to quantify this stuff. If you're going to try and figure out how it works, you got to quantify it. So, there was an old product called Unfair Advantage that I had worked on. Not developmentally, but just worked on.

Ben:  Yeah. That was one of the bulletproof.

Ian:  Yeah, that was one of the original bulletproof products. And so, I was actually meeting with Dave Asprey and said, “Hey, man, that thing that you did, I think I can up in that a little bit.” And, he was like, “Oh. Well, I'll send you some.” So, he sent me a bunch of boxes. And, I was comparing the ATP output and I got a 3,313% boost–

Ben:  Oh, my god.

Ian:  Yeah, which is kind of ridiculous. And so, I tended to him and he wrote back and he was like, “Holy shit, is that safe?” And, I said, “No, absolutely not, absolutely not.” But again, that's the thing is you've got to figure out how much can you shift, what are the bounds, and then you make it safe.

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  Right. So, if your car can go 180, you don't drive 180. But, it'll easily cruise along at 90 and you're ducky. So, that's kind of what I did is I figured out how to modulate all that stuff. And, one of the big keys was you have to do the PQQ because you can't have that much energy production across the normal concentration of mitochondria.

Ben:  And so, is the PQQ increasing mitochondrial biogenesis.

Ian:  Exactly, yeah.

Ben:  Okay, so you're literally building new mitochondria while allowing all the mitochondria to make more fuel.

Ian:  Yeah. And, you have to do that because if you take a Ford Fiesta that's a 4-cylinder car, you can put NOS on it and you can boost the thing up to 600 horsepower, which is kind of what happens. And, the performance is ridiculous. But, when you do that, you'll blow the motor.

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  So, you have to distribute the load. So, for a 4-cylinder, it's really difficult, but if it's a nice Mercedes V12, you're cruising along just fine.

Ben:  Interesting.

Ian:  Yeah. It really works, man. I mean, one of the CrossFit guys is doing it. Hit me up and said that he was hitting lifts that he hadn't hit in seven years. And, yeah truly and had run, I think he said actually [00:52:14] _____–

Ben:  And, I briefly mentioned this at dinner last night, I think that for any athlete or someone who's focusing on performance, basically the two pools that you want to keep topped off because really performance isn't necessarily synonymous with longevity. If you're trying to increase longevity, you would actually want to have phases where you're pretty much stripped of ATP, stripped of amino acids, downregulating mTOR, cold, hungry, libidoless, and curl up in a fetal position, your hyperbaric chamber so you can live until you're 160. Tardigrade approach.

Ian:  Right.

Ben:  But, if you want performance, you're basically looking at your ATP pool and your amino acid pool. Those are the two things that you want to keep topped off. And, I feel we've cracked the code at Kion not to toot my own horn even though I'm going to do it anyway.

Ian:  Actually, I will tell you, man, shameless plug on this for you. That's actually what I give my kids. And–

Ben:  Yeah. So, the Kion Aminos, that's got the amino acid. And, we went back to the drawing board. We don't private label some existing amino acid formulation, we literally matched very, very close to what you'll find in human skeletal muscle for the amino acid content and then jacked up the leucine just a little bit for even more of a boost. But, the Aminos is one part, but the other part of it, in addition to the amino acid pool, is the ATP pool. That's why a lot of people use creatine. Creatine phosphate has one way to replenish that ATP pool more quickly, but you know what I'm thinking now is, and this is what I'm going to try and what I'm going to recommend to some of my athletes now is why not increase ATP pool with Olympic RX, maybe add creatine into the mix around 5 grams or so to increase the creatine phosphate pool, and then add amino acids into that like 5, 10 grams of essential amino acids. And, that's what I'm going to experiment with after talking with you a little bit as far as a stack for performance. I'll bet it will work like gangbusters.

Ian:  It will. Because I take your Aminos and I do cycle on and off of Creatine. But, only when I really need to do some output. Yeah, same thing with you, I really don't have as much time as I'd like to have to do that kind of stuff, but I can see it when I deal with pro athletes.

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  It's unreal. Actually, the difference in output. Actually, the thing that's the cautionary tale is you have to actually have a lot of control when you do it because your performance output can go up so much, your muscles can handle it. Your sarcomeric density doesn't change but your muscle recruitment changes. So, normally your brain downregulates your firing capacity to 25 to 30% of your skeletal muscle. And, when you're on a high dose of Olympic, it actually is a dose-dependent curve so you can do this just ridiculous stuff on it.

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  But, you got to be careful because tendons and ligaments don't grow like that. [00:55:05] _____ formation is much slower than sarcomeric–

Ben:  It's the reason that people who do TDCS pre-workout like transcranial stimulation for increased motor or on recruitment or people who do electrical muscle stimulation, which is really just bypassing the brain and directly recruiting the muscles with the handheld controller or people who take exogenous supplementation, things like testosterone. All three of those populations, when they workout, can actually push themselves so hard paradoxically, that they injure themselves. And so, it sounds like maybe throwing Olympic RX in the mix too. You just want to proceed with caution–

Ian:  Yeah, you've got to proceed with caution. If performance is super intense, just be mindful.

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  And, actually, rather than do TCDS, just take some neural. Actually, because of potentiation, it does the same thing.

Ben:  Yeah. We're going to call that by some strength, conditioning coach or personal trainer who's right in the Gatorade bandwagon and be like, “Oh, these snake oil salesmen are telling us that we shouldn't take too much of this because we might perform so well that we injure ourselves.” That's a great way to sell a performance supplement. But, no. These are super bold claims, but I mean, freaking try this stuff. It's interesting–

Ian:  Oh, yeah. Test it out. And, just FYI, it's free-range cold-pressed organic snakes. Just so you know.

Ben:  Yes. Yeah, the snake oil is very, very high quality.

Okay. So, the other one that's kind of similar, I think, from a performance standpoint is a self with the shilajit in it, the old Russian conqueror of [00:56:39] _____ of weakness.

Ian:  Exactly.

Ben:  Shilajit is very interesting, this blackish mineral that seems to really enhance energy levels, endurance. It's kind of like cordyceps. It falls in that bandwagon, is one of these ancient performance-enhancing molecules. But, tell me about what you've done with shilajit.

Ian:  Well, first, do you ever wonder what the hell these guys were doing like a thousand years ago? Climbing a mountain, finding something in a little crevice, and going, “I think I'll eat this.”

Ben:  Listen, I'm convinced that just about most of not only the super foods, but even just like the normal staples like say lobster that we eat these days, we're probably originally discovered by people who were so starving that they just started shoving anything in their mouth that they could find from lobster to black mold growing on a rock up in the mountains. And, it was pretty much just like, “Hey, we're going to die if we don't try to put this in our mouth and see what happens.”

Ian:  Where I grew up in New Orleans, it's kind of similar, except it's more if you can catch it and you can deep fry it and bread it, you can eat it.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Ian:  Same sort of premise. So, the shilajit basically, it alters a lot of components in your electron transport chain and it massively upregulates things. So, if you took CoQ10 to upregulate one of the components in your [00:57:56] _____, you'll get–let's say you take 300 mgs of it, it'll cap out at 300 mgs. But, if you take 300 mgs of shilajit, your body actually converts it and you end up with 1.5 grams instead of 300 milligrams. So, it's, yeah, 1 to 5 ratio.

Ben:  Of shilajit to…

Ian:  Converting to CoQ10.

Ben:  To CoQ10. Okay. So, basically, you're getting an exponential increase in CoQ10 from a smaller intake of shilajit.

Ian:  Yeah. And so, yeah, it really does upregulate you. And so, if you combine that with NMN and resveratrol, you end up buffering all these different points. And, for mitochondrial support, it goes through the roof, which does the same thing. A lot of the things that I'm playing with are just basically ways to upregulate mitochondrial function.

Ben:  It sounds to me you could take Olympic RX and then just any form of shilajit and get a similar effect.

Ian:  Yeah, you could. Actually, the downside of that is it's because the sweet sauce there is the C60 and it has to be combined with a lipid. So, you can't take it in a capsule.

Ben:  Okay.

Ian:  So now, that's not to say that at some point someone won't crack that egg and have powdered C60 because I'm sure that's coming. But, for right now, there are a lot of aqueous forms of C60 that are functionalized where you put hydroxyl groups on it. And, the thing that's silly to me about that is, even if you bind it that way, you're still not going to get the same upregulation in the cells because you can't get the same penetration through the cell membranes. So, just because it's there doesn't mean it's usable.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah.

Ian:  Food in a can versus food on the table.

Ben:  By the way, do you still endorse C60 for hair growth?

Ian:  Yes, I do.

Ben:  Do you supply it topically or do you like the internal consumption for hair growth?

Ian:  Well, both but for different reasons. Primarily topically, but internally–

Ben:  Ian's got great hair, by the way, you guys. Google. I'll put a picture of him at the shownotes, BenGreenfieldFitness.com/WizardScience.

Ian:  Yeah. Full-on like Doc Brown gray hair. Yeah.

Ben:  That's right. As we walk along the side of the road right now, it's like Samson and Samson.

Ian:  Yeah. Basically, when I play with that stuff, trying to upregulate the whole system and for topical use, it goes into the cells follicularly. So, you hit the follicular cells, you upregulate it there. If you take it in internally, you upregulate the mitochondria throughout your body and you drop inflammatory response. So, at about the two-hour mark after ingesting this stuff, you have this huge drop in cytokines.

Ben:  So, after ingesting the C60.

Ian:  Yeah. So, you kind of want to hit it from both sides, but looking at it pound for pound, topical application, way better.

Ben:  Okay, got it. So, you could literally just massage it into your scalp?

Ian:  Yeah. Put it on your scalp. Actually, I've got a–

Ben:  Which of your products if people wanted to like those people are making an order and they're ordering some Neural RX and some Olympic RX and maybe this amphigen stuff, the C60. What should they get if they literally just want to keep it on their bathroom counter and rub it in their–

Ian:  MCT RX. It's–

Ben:  [01:01:08] _____. That's just caprylic acid and C60?

Ian:  Yeah. And, it's a really bioavailable version of it. So, it's just slightly higher concentration. That's one of the things that people don't get is you can have 1.2 mgs per mL. But, if it's not entirely bioavailable, you may as well just buy 0.8.

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  And so, that was one of the things I did when I started Wizard Sciences was trying to really drill down and go back and reassess, actually reassess my own stuff, and figure out like, okay, how can I do it better? How can I make it more by available? How can I get a higher impact?

Ben: Yeah, yeah.

Ian:  It's that kind of iterative process. I always joke about it as being called reinventing the oval. We always think we made the wheel because we've come up with something that works. But, in reality, it's very rarely the optimized form. It's usually kind of wonky.

Ben:  I like it, reinventing the oval.

Ian:  Yeah.

Ben:  Okay. So, speaking of reinventing the oval, one of the things I was going to do this weekend, we kind of changed plans was we're going to do a Kambo ceremony with some of this frog venom that kind of turns you into a mighty hunter for a couple of weeks after you burn a few holes of the stuff into your arm and combine it with two things that I actually use on a regular basis. I snort Rapé and I use these Sananga eye drops, which I think you and I are going to do later on, surge of energy. Kind of more Amazonian medicine. Sananga being this medicine that you put into your eyes for increased visual perception and energy, and it burns like hell for a couple of minutes. But, you feel big surge in energy. And, then Rapé being very similar except that you're snorting it up your nose. It's a tobacco-like alkaloid that again gives you a huge surge of energy. And, Kambo this frog venom, it kind of falls into a similar category. But, of course, the problem is you get 15, 20 minutes of pretty intense vomiting when the poison hit your system.

And so, you were explaining to me, Ian, yesterday about this way that you could synthesize similar peptides as you would get, let's say something like Kambo without the kind of that biological blowback of nausea and puking.

Ian:  Yeah. Yeah, I've done Kambo with Todd Shipman and I know you have as well. In my opinion, he's kind of the best guy out there in terms of holding space and actually doing it the right way. And, he walked me through kind of the science of what was going on with it and then I kind of took the ball and ran with it a little bit on that front because what I want to do is continue looking at, they're probably, I don't know, 300 different or more than that in reality, I'm sure, 300 different peptides in there that are biologically active.

Ben:  And, something like the Kambo frog poison.

Ian:  Yeah. Nature is always pretty, pretty keen on it.

Ben:  I call it poison, but literally, there's a whole book I recently read about this. Half of the things we call poison are technically medicines or supplements now.

Ian:  Yeah. Well, the dose makes the poison. So, if you look at that and you start breaking it down and looking at all the different peptides, you can isolate which peptides do what. And, that's kind of a new thing that I'm going to be working on over the next couple of years. They got big peptide synthesis machines so that I could do that because right now, the stance on peptides is a little grim in the marketplace, but I figure people start to actually realize like, “This stuff works, let's use it.” And, it may take a couple of years, but that's coming down the pike. And, the same thing with Sananga, the eye drops, it's basically pepper-spraying yourself. But, I tell you, after you do it once, man, your vision is more clear than it probably has ever been in your life. At least that was my experience.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. when whenever I do it because actually, I use Sananga and Rapé quite a bit more than I actually talk about. I probably, three or four times a week was lay flat on my back, do a few drops of Sananga, snort some Rapé, and then I'm off. And, I feel great. I almost feel it's a vagal nerve reset, which is interesting because there is a link between the nicotine exposure that you get from sorting Rapé and acetylcholine-based stimulation of the vagal nerve. So, it's kind of an interesting link. So, people with poor vagal nerve tone sometimes benefit from these type of alkaloid surges. But, anyways, so the Sananga, yeah, it does burn like hell but great vision afterwards. Although you told me, I don't know if you want to explain this to people that when you did it, you didn't get much of a burn because you've been figuring out a way to get yourself into this different mental space. Can you talk about that?

Ian:  Yeah, sure. So, I was actually going through this kind of period where I was really working on trying to just sort of the leveling up and the expanding of my consciousness and which sounds a little woo woo, but to some and to others, it makes perfect sense. And, I'd recommend anybody get to David Hawkins' “Power vs. Force“–

Ben:  Great.

Ian:  Probably the most impactful thing–

Ben:  That book, by the way, goes into what we were talking about earlier with quantum biology and using your hands to project feelings of love, or peace, or joy over an object, or say a liquid or a meal you're about to eat, and the difference from a frequency and energetic standpoint between that and feelings of say anger or fear or shame.

Ian:  Yeah. So, I was working on that and I reached this point where I kind of realize that the thing that I hadn't really reconciled, and as a male in this culture, the idea of surrendering is really — it's sort of tantamount to giving up and being a lesser creature. But, that's not really the case. I mean, I think not to be terribly esoteric but the idea of surrender to something greater than yourself is actually really beneficial and freeing. And so–

Ben:  Not only is it beneficial and freeing, but surrendering means surrendering attachments, which means that you're acknowledging the fact that, to a certain extent, you are enough and you don't need all of these attachments in life like Olympic RX, and Neural RX, and shilajit, all this stuff that's great. But really, at the end of the day, you should be able to roll out of bed in the morning and say, “Hey, I am my own person.” For me, as a man of faith, as a Christian, I still trust upon and rely upon the mercies of God. And yet, by surrendering attachments, I think back to what you were saying about men, I think it turns you into more of a man to be able to say, “Hey, I need nothing except me and my faith,” for example.

Ian:  It's interesting. But, I completely agree. And, also with surrender, it's the kind of the agnostic behavior where you're not attached to things makes you, at least in my profession, as a scientist. You become far better because you don't have any ego wrapped around it. Experiment going to fail, is it going to–

Ben:  Yeah, you remove the bias of ego.

Ian:  Yeah. And, that's incredibly helpful because the approach and a lab of fail fast fail often is pretty viable. You don't get wrapped around the axle saying, “Oh, my god, I postulated this and it's wrong.” You don't care, it's wrong, move on, and you keep going until you find what's right. So, for me, the surrender thing was, “Well, okay, I'm going to go see Todd and have him do the Sananga thing because the pain level was supposed to be super intense.” And, I thought, okay, if you're truly surrendering, then you surrender everything. You surrender the emotions. You surrender the physical feelings, the sensations, and everything. So, I went, I laid down, Todd put the eye drops in and you can ask him about this because he thought it was really perplexing. So, I opened my eyes and basically, it is like getting pepper sprayed in the eyes. And, nothing changed.

Ben:  It's pretty uncommon for someone not to score them quite a bit when they get this stuff.

Ian:  Yeah. So, my breathing didn't change, my pulse didn't change. I didn't twitch, or flinch, or twitch, or anything. And, this sensation just went away after a few minutes and I got up and Todd was looking really perplexed. And, I said, “What's wrong?” And, he said, “Well, I didn't actually think that was possible.” And, I said, “What do you mean?” He goes, “Well, nothing changed, you didn't move.” And, I just explained, “Well, yeah, because I was working on surrender.” So, as part of surrendering, you truly surrender everything, all of the sensations.

Ben:  What's going through your mind when you do that? For people who are curious, okay, how do I actually put myself into a space where I could freaking sit and get a tattoo without my eyes blinking?

Ian:  Yeah. We're having an appendectomy with nothing there.

Ben:  Yeah, exactly.

Ian:  Gandhi style. Well, I think just love, love and resolve and devotion. You look at contributing to something bigger than yourself. I was joking with one of the guys in my lab yesterday that first principles for me means going back to seeing what we'll move the needle for humanity, which is I know not really a common thought but that really is what's gets me moving. It's what I want to do. I kind of feel we're here to contribute.

And, nature seems to work in different ways than I was always taught. You're taught that you push forward, you move forward, I don't actually think that's the way it works. It's certainly not the way it works in nature. Nature things are pulled forward. There's a space and something moves forward. My–

Ben:  Can you give an example what you mean by that?

Ian:  Well, sure. The wind, everybody says, “Oh, the wind was blowing.” No, it actually wasn't, it was being drawn past you. Right now, you and I are getting blasted with wind.

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  But, it's actually because there's a low-pressure center behind us and it's moving into that low-pressure center, so it's expanding into its potential.

Ben:  It's more of a vacuum than a force.

Ian:  Yeah, exactly. And, I think people are the same. You don't have to send acorns to oak tree school, they just are meant to expand and become what they're going to become, and it's inherent. And so, you express that inherent potential as you move through life. And, I think I know for myself and one of my other friends who's a very renowned scientist, he actually, all the work that he's been doing for the past couple decades came to him in a dream when he was 26 and he spent the past couple decades sussing it out in the lab. And, I've had things come the same way, the cancer serum that I developed. I can't take credit for it because I literally woke up and knew how to synthesize it.

Ben:  It's very risky these days to say something like cancer serum on a podcast.

Ian:  Well, I'm not saying it does anything other than maybe acts as a paperweight. But, it was an interesting configuration of molecules and I woke up and knew how to do it. So, certainly did not come from my noggin.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah.

How do you come up with ideas? That's something I'm curious about because a lot of people would paint you as maybe with no thanks to me for the way I framed you, it's like the madman, inventor, scientist who's coming with all these crazy ideas. But, do you have a process? For example, there's a book in my office called “The Road Less Stupid.” It's one of, I think, the best business books out there. And, literally, the entire book is based upon the idea of an entrepreneur, business owner, and CEO carving out intentional thinking time each week where you're literally thinking through and writing down the answers to a lot of the questions that solve problems that are presented within the book. Is it like that for you? Do you just have thinking time or do things come to you when you're dreaming or sleeping at night? Or, how does it work for you? What's your process?

Ian:  So, typically, it hits all sorts of ways. Usually, people will come to me when they have some sort of condition or problem. And, I do a lot of, I know this is a time suck, but I do a lot of one-off things where somebody will have a specific condition and I'll fix that condition. Again, you're not supposed to make any claim, but that's just the reality of it. And, I think there would be a litany of people who would attest to that fact. But, people will come and say, “Okay, I've got this wrong.” And so, I'll address that or we'll look at a problem and say Biochar and go, “God, this would be fantastic if we could solve this on a global scale, but there's nothing there.” So then, I'll start working on it. Or, in the case of the Biochar thing, we needed a special heat shield. Nothing existed, so I developed one. And, the process for development was literally me saying–

Ben:  Wait, can you explain why you need a heat chilled for Biochar?

Ian:  Because the temperature gets up to about 1,500 degrees. And, if you want people working in close proximity to something that's 1,500 degrees–

Ben:  The process of making it, of burning this stuff down to form, this hyper-concentrated carbon, you're talking about the beginning of the show, it's so hot.

Ian:  Yeah, exactly. It's very, very, very hot. And so, if you want people to be safe in close proximity too, you've got to do something to block it. So, you need to stop thermal transference and you have to have all kinds of special stuff to do that. So, there was nothing that hit the exact criteria of what I needed. So, I just asked the question of, “How does this work? What do I need?” And, literally in about an hour and a half, I had an entire formula down to the very, very small percentages of exactly what needed to be synthesized and how. And, to be honest, I didn't know if it would work. I had no idea. It seemed very strange to me, but I've done the process enough that I trust the process. So, I went and synthesized everything and tested it and it worked. And, sometimes, it's kind of funny because the process is there's a need. And, do I feel it's safe for me to fill the need? And, because a lot of times I think technology moves forwards, but it can be coopted for very ungood sort of nefarious purposes. So, you have to ask yourself if you're not really the gatekeeper, but sort of the conduit that a lot of things come through, you have to be really judicious and ask yourself, “Are we ready? Is it wise? How is this most likely to be used?”

I was working with a friend of mine who's an MD and she was wanting to develop a drug for human connection, which I thought fantastic.

Ben:  Right, for human connection.

Ian:  Yeah, more an intact–

Ben:  Like psylocibin?

Ian:  Yeah, actually very much like that. But, something that has a very entactogenic component.

Ben:  I guess like MDMA would probably be a better example.

Ian:  Yeah.

Ben:  Some kind of heart opener effect.

Ian:  Exactly. And so, I thought about it, and Ian and I came up with a couple of ways to do it. But then, I started thinking about what is the potential for misuse on this? And, it's kind of like Rohypnol. It's been rebranded. It is still used, but in a different capacity, and it's got some great benefits, but it's also got the potential for misuse of–

Ben:  Remind me what Rohypnol is.

Ian:  Rohypnol is typically thought of as the date rape drug.

Ben:  Oh, it's like gamma-hydroxybutyrate?

Ian:  That's it, GHB. Yeah. And so, GHB is commonly used now. You can get a good prescription for it, but you can also use it in a very negative way. And so, I think the world would be surprisingly different if the people like myself who constantly turned down new tech, and new drugs, and new therapeutics, actually stopped to ask the question. “Is this ecologically sound? Am I doing the right thing?” But, that's not the way that research typically functions. There are a lot of guys who just do stuff because they have a grant for it. I've seen so much research that I thought was brilliant, that was never seen to fruition because the grant ran out.

Ben:  Wow.

Ian:  Yeah, it's sad.

Ben:  Crazy. So, for you, as far as your lab goes, I assume that with Wizard Sciences and everything that you don't have to get grants so you can do a lot of this just based on the income that you're generating from the supplements company. And, is that really the primary source of revenue for you?

Ian:  Yeah, that is the primary source of revenue is the supplements and the consulting that I do for other companies. I mean, you know a lot of the people that I do consulting work for.

Ben:  Yeah, a lot of people and they're in the supplements industry.

Ian:  Yeah. If it's something that I think is good or beneficial or is going to move the needle and help, I sign on. And, in some cases like one that comes to mind, I told them I do the whole thing for nothing just because it seemed a noble pursuit. It was something that there was a demand. Actually, it was for a nonaddictive opioid. 

Ben:  For nonaddictive opioid.

Ian:  Yeah. So, my lab is in Oklahoma and you can see kind of the meth-addled people meal by sometimes and their lives have been just devastated. And, really, for what purpose? It's basically financial gain in the sheer avarice of a few. And so, I thought, well, nonaddictive opioid, that would help a lot of people. So, I set out to crack that egg.

Ben:  Did you?

Ian:  Yes, I did.

Ben:  Tell me more. It's interesting.

Ian:  I really can't until those guys have–

Ben:  Okay. There's a recent development.

Ian:  Yeah, it's fantastic.

Ben:  Yeah, because I was going to say most people will use something like kratom or else, if they're super addicted, they'll go do high dose NAD or detox via something like an ibogaine clinic or something like that. And, if there were a nonaddictive opioid, you could literally just bleed yourself off of kratom and anything else you have to be on. And, it is kind of interesting though because I think there is this phenomenon of not just increasing availability and ability to figure out how to get prescribed some of these opioids or get them in an online pharmacy, but there's also kind of this idea. And, I have to be very careful in my industry of biohacking, and supplementation, and transhumanism, and yeah, it's almost like escapism/fear of death.

Ian:  Yeah.

Ben:  And, you see that a lot. And, I know a lot of biohackers and fitness enthusiasts who are literally just trapped and crushed in this, “Oh, gosh,” like a treadmill to nowhere, a escapist loop of uppers, downers, exercise, exercise, exercise, do all the hacks to increase longevity. And, at the end of the day when you step back and you look at it from the context of how we live our days is how we live our lives. And, this is a question I asked myself a lot because I'm constantly checking myself. It's like, “Okay, how did I help the world today? How did I create beauty or produce beauty? How did they equip my sons to go forth and make this world a better place versus how much time did I literally spend today like burning calories and trying to live a long time and eating food so that I could then go out and burn more calories?” So, you see that cycle a lot of times. I talk about it in my last book “Fit Soul,” I talk about that the whole conundrum.

Ian:  Well, a lot of people are wrapped around the axle. By that, I think actually if people took the idea of life is more a kind of a choose your own adventure novel where you have set exit points, but the terminus is effectively kind of predestined. If you approach it like that, then it kind of negates the necessity for the fear of dying, and the ridiculous trying to cling to every second. If you're so worried about what's to come, you can never actually be where you are.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah, which is, I mean, this idea of living in the present is something I've been thinking a lot more about namely this idea that there is so much that passes us by when it comes to appreciating a lot of the more subtle nuances in life because we're always thinking ahead to the next thing.

And, one thing that I've been doing lately, I think I may have talked about this recently briefly on a podcast, is when I listen to music, what I'll do is I'll try to listen for the space or the silence between the notes. And, it's really interesting. I think you played, what'd you play, saxophone?

Ian:  Saxophone.

Ben:  So, you played saxophone, you're a musician, you understand this. When you listen to a song, and you intently listen to it rather than as background music but you literally play it with earbuds in and you listen so intently that you're picking out every subtle nuance, every space of silence between the notes, every variance between major to a minor to a resolution and back, what happens is there's this weird shift that takes place, at least for me, mentally if I start off the day like this. Because that's what I do know, I roll out of bed and the first thing I do is I have this amazing playlist, I put in headphones and I play one song from that playlist and the whole time, I'm just hanging on every note and listening very intently without being distracted by anything else. And, I find that the ability to be able to be present with other things in life whether it's a conversation or looking someone in the eyes or the way that I'm tasting and enjoying food and eating at a slow pace, or the movement patterns during gait or anything else like that, I'm actually able to be far more present by almost using the process of listening to music as a training ground for presence.

Ian:  Music is brilliant and that it has an effect on your brain. It very frequently will entrain your brain.

Ben:  Yeah.

Ian:  And, when you end up with some sort of hemispheric coherence across your brain, life is different. You see things differently. You perceive things differently. Anybody who's ever tried to transcribe, I studied jazz and was a jazz musician, anybody who's ever tried to transcribe a Charlie Parker solo will attest to the fact that you can't blink, you have to have uber focus because every note, every nuance, every subtlety is right there and it's happening at a pace that's just ridiculous. So, you have to be keenly focused on the present and notice everything. And, for me, music impacts emotions so intently. They're almost intrinsically linked for me. So, the idea of a morning playlist, fantastic. I have actually the same sort of thing, a couple of songs that I listened to in the mornings that always picked me up. Some of them I do in the morning as a mental exercise just to get myself going.

I was on a podcast a while back and somebody asked me what I was working on and I said, “Oh, rap.” And, they said, “What?” And, it was actually because of the Neural RX. So, I was trying to cement new neurons. And so, one of my kids had made a joke about I could never pull this thing off. So, I said challenge accepted and started working on that. And still, I will listen to those things in the morning and do things that are very verbally difficult to wake myself up. And, I–

Ben:  What do you mean verbally difficult?

Ian:  So, 100 Miles and Running by a guy named Logic or Concepts Too by Con.

Ben:  Oh, you mean you're listening to verbally complex rap?

Ian:  Yeah, and actually doing it.

Ben:  Okay. And, you're actually singing?

Ian:  Yeah.

Ben:  Oh, wow.

Ian:  Yeah. So, hop on my Instagram page, there was one that my daughter said like, “No way you can do that.” And so, I did.

Ben:  Well, it's interesting because I used to listen to growing up Christian rap because I grew up in a Christian family and we go to the music store and mom would have me buy a CD with all my 15 bucks that I earned. How much CDs cost today? I still remember be like old school like DC Talk rap tracks that they're cemented in the brain because memory is cued so well by music. And so, I can literally just be like, yeah, “I'm down with the one that is known as the Son from the G to the O to the D never done. With the flow, in the know, on the go like a pro. Not for show cause I ain't in the biz for the dough. Or the me, or the ray, all the dough's got to say, cause I can't, no I can't, take it home anyway. Never trite when I write cause the Lord is my light and His word is my bond so you know, know, know, know, know. I'm alright.” But, stuff like that–

Ian:  How many years ago was that?

Ben:  Yeah. And, that's 17 years ago.

Ian:  There you go.

Ben:  That's filled my brain.

Ian:  Yeah. That's because it's emotional. Nobody has to tell you to remember the most wonderful part of your favorite movie. Anytime you want to lock something in, and that immediately changes your brain set. I can tell by your face.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah.

Ian:  You're in a totally different state than you were a minute ago.

Ben:  Right, exactly. Yeah, it is weird to kind of taps into the previous memory as well. 

I don't know how long we've walked so far. We've probably been walking an hour and a half or so. But, anyways, as you guys can tell who are listening in, hopefully, if any are still there, Ian is a pretty interesting guy. And, gosh, if you combine this with the other episode that I did with him where he went deep on C60 and I would recommend you go back and listen to that one if you like some of the stuff we talked about on this one. I'll link to that and I'll link to on the shownotes if you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com/WizardScience.

Ian:  Which is sciences.

Ben:  Wizard Sciences is the name of Ian's company, but the short link for this podcast is BenGreenfieldFitness.com/WizardScience because I figured we're just a couple of wizards walking along the farm talking about science. So, anyways, Wizard Science. And then, I'll link to Ian's website. Later on, we'll talk. I'll try and get you guys as I am prone to do, I'll try and twist his arm and get you guys a little discount code or something you could use on the Neural RX, the Olympic RX. And then, what do you think, we'll go punish some brisket tonight and–

Ian:  Yeah, let's do it. Let's go do some Sananga and clear our eyes.

Ben:  Yeah. Alright, that too and snort some Rapé, do some Sananga, and eat some brisket. Sounds like a good night to me.

Alright, folks. Well, until next time. I'm Ben Greenfield with the great Ian Mitchell from Tulsa. It's Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Ian:  Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Ben:  Tulsa Oklahoma, signing out from BenGreenfieldFitness.com/WizardScience. Have an amazing week.

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Ian Mitchell first joined me for the episode “Vape Pens, Hair Growth Serums, Fixing The Pineal Gland & C60 (The Next Great Longevity Molecule)” and now he's back again today to discuss quantum biology, frog poison, and other “crazy mad scientist” topics.

Ian is a man that wears many hats. He's the Polymath in Residency at Ecliptic Capital, the Lead Scientist at Biocharged and Wizard Sciences, the head of R&D at BioHack, and the Leading Researcher at Carbon60. At Carbon60, Ian is working towards bringing quantum medicine to the forefront using nanoparticles and many other modalities to enhance peoples’ and their pets’ lifespans, and more importantly, their healthspans. Ian's other company, Biocharged, was inspired by Nikola Tesla, the original expert in ozone, and is committed to packing as much ozone into a pill as possible.

Among his various companies, Ian has helped develop countless revolutionary products that we discuss in this podcast, including but certainly not limited to:

During our discussion, recorded during a somewhat “windy” walk by my house, you'll discover:

-The crazy foods Ben and Ian consumed prior to recording…04:48

-Ben and Ian discuss Biochar…08:41

-The amazing new ozone product produced by Wizard Science…20:10

-A product that may be able to reverse Alzheimer's…31:10


  • Neural RX
  • Alzheimer's is a protective mechanism “run amok”
  • The glymphatic system drains while sleeping
  • Acrylic acid bypasses the gastric digestion process, goes straight to the liver
  • Neural inflammatory components (NMN)
  • Kion Flex
  • Massive shift in cognitive performance

-About Olympic RX…46:15

  • Olympic RX
  • Trials had a 13-17% increase in performance among Olympic athletes
  • Olive oil goes through the majority of cells
  • PQQ, CoQ10, mitochondrial food
  • Unfair Advantage product
  • Building mitochondria by allowing mitochondria to repair
  • Kion Aminos
  • Kion Creatine

-What Ian is doing with shilajit…55:41

  • MCT RX
  • Shilajit alters many components of the electron transport chain
  • Get more CoQ10 from shilajit than supplementing with CoQ10
  • Upregulates mitochondria function
  • Drop in cytokines after ingesting C60 (use code BEN to save 10%)

-Synthesizing peptides without the negative physical effects…1:01:10

  • Frog poison
  • Kambo ceremony (use code BEN20 to save 20%)
  • Rapé (use code BEN20 to save 20%)
  • What was once considered poisonous is oftentimes now therapeutic
  • Kambo has ~ 300 different biologically active peptides
  • Sananga (use code BEN to save 10%)
  • Power vs. Force by David Hawkins
  • Surrendering to a power greater than oneself is freeing, not imprisoning
  • Remove the bias of ego

-How Ian comes up with new ideas…1:11:00

  • The Road Less Stupid by Keith Cunningham
  • There's a need and you fill the need if it is safe
  • Need a heat shield for Biochar
  • Drug for human connection
  • Ian's supplement company and consulting funds new research
  • Fit Soul by Ben Greenfield

-How the brain is entrained by music…1:20:30

  • Music impacts emotions

-And much more…

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2 thoughts on “[Transcript] – Quantum Biology, Breaking Performance Records, Reversing Alzheimers, Ozone Suppositories, Frog Poison & More With Crazy Mad Scientist, Biohacker & Inventor Ian Mitchell.

  1. Jean Burka says:

    How can I purchase Ian Mitchell’s hair growth system? It’s not offered on the Wizard Sciences site.

    1. Ben Greenfield says:

      Are you referring to C360 HairGrowth? Go to https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/c360health and you can find it in the shop under “People Products”

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