February 17, 2022
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[00:05:34] Guest Introduction
[00:06:58] How a debilitating snowboarding accident led Tony to the miracle of stem cell therapy
[00:14:47] “Humanized pigs” and new tech called biosplicing that's changing the game in organ transplants
[00:26:51] How biosplicing is changing cancer treatment and therapy
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[00:38:17] A new game in town on boosting NAD levels
[00:47:28] How Fountain Life is using Cleerly to help detect heart attacks before they even happen
[00:59:42] Combinostics testing for Alzheimer's
[01:06:12] The unique form of physical therapy that allows Tony to live pain-free (no small feat given his exploits throughout the years)
[01:10:49] Counterstrain Therapy
[01:14:10] Young blood transfers and therapeutic plasma exchange therapies discussed
[01:18:05] Microbots that can be injected into the body to rewire the sympathetic nervous system and combat PTSD and depression
[01:28:05] Closing the Podcast
[01:28:48] Legal Disclaimer
Ben: On this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness Podcast.
Tony: I want to go to the greatest sources on Earth. Simplify and actionable things that people can do. And, I want to show people what they can do to have more energy, strength, and vitality. You don't have to wait for some giant intervention. You can make these minor interventions and see radical changes in the quality of your life.
Peter: And then, people say, “Well, I don't want to know.” And, I was like, “Bullshit, of course, you want to know,” especially now where you can do so much about it.
Ben: I'm definitely looking forward to a decade from now when I can head down to Safeway to get pickles and yogurt and grab a spleen.
Health, performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show.
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My guests on today's podcast are people who you probably are already a little bit familiar with. They just partnered up and wrote an amazing new book called “Life Force.” It's a book about precision, medicine, regenerative medicine, anti-aging, longevity, great book. The authors are Tony Robbins and Peter Diamandis. Tony Robbins, he's an entrepreneur, he's a great author, philanthropist, business strategist, really great guy. And, I could probably go on for an hour about him or Peter and all the things that they've achieved. But, Tony's just doing some really, really cool things now in the realm of medicine and anti-aging and longevity. And, I actually thought going to this interview that I was just going to be interviewing him, but Peter showed up too. So, you get a two for one. Hooray. Peter was named by Fortune Magazine as one of the world's 50 greatest leaders. He's the founder and executive chairman of the XPRIZE Foundation, he's the founder of Singularity University, and he's also a guy who's super-duper on the cutting edge when it comes to investing in what he calls exponential technologies including those that are helping to regenerate our bodies. So, we had a great fun chat. Enjoy.
And, all of the things we talk about, you can find at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/LifeForce, the books, articles, studies, et cetera.
Alright, here we go.
Alright. So, when I read this book, I kind of expected it to be another one of these longevity books. Maybe, eat your wild blueberries and your superfood smoothie, eat like the Okinawans or the people in the Mediterranean, and maybe if you got a little bit of extra cash in the wallet, buy some NAD or something, and call your doctor about stem cells. And, when I open up the book and began to read, I started to fold over page after page after page about ghost hearts and tissue regeneration, and stem cells, yeah, but different forms of stem cells and NAD but these upgraded forms I'd never heard of. And, holy cow, you guys really pulled together a pretty impressive body of knowledge in the realm of longevity and anti-aging here.
Tony: Thank you very much. Well, we interviewed 150 of Nobel laureates, some top scientists, medical doctors. So, nothing in is our opinion. And, it started out really–I've been obsessed with finding answers to the quality of life for people throughout my life, but one of the triggers for doing this for me this time was I had this injury that they told me was going to end my career. And, I'm used to going out to a group of 10, 15, 20,000 people and going 12 hours a day for four days in a row doing insane things with my body. But, I had this experience where I was going down this mountainside chasing somebody much younger and almost near-professional snowboarder and he could do things I couldn't do. And, that became obvious when I felt like I just broke my neck. I mean, the pain was insane, I ended up just tearing my rotator cuff severely. I was on a 0 to 10 like 9.9 pain. And so, what I do, well, I found out about PEMF because I can only sleep an hour a night. And, as you know, there's about 3,000 studies on it, it can heal your bones in 50% of the time and help with your nerves. It reduces the pain to about–
Ben: Yeah, yeah, pulsed electromagnetic field therapy for people listening in and not familiar. It's kind of like a Swiss army knife.
Tony: Yeah, it's extraordinary. It's one of the best tools you can imagine. So, it helped me, but it couldn't heal everything, it was too severe. So, of course, I went to all these doctors and every single one, surgery, surgery, surgery, four in a row, but when I asked them, “Okay. Well, what's the prognosis? Will I be able to do everything?” “Well, you might not be able to lift your shoulder all the way up in the future. It could tear again.” “Well, what's the recovery time?” “Well, rehab is four to six months probably for you.” And, I was just like, I can't have one arm tied to me while I'm going to get 10,000 people doing this. But, the bottom line is the last doctor I talked to, I mean, this guy, he used my work and thanked me for all the great things I've done. I've never met him before. And then, he goes, “But now, I got to be your doctor.” He looks me in the eye and says, “Life as you know it is over.” I was like, “What?” He goes, “Let me show you your spine.” And, I have extreme spinal stenosis, I've had enormous pain for over 14 years, and he goes, “One, you cannot do what you're doing. No more jumping, no more running, no more snowboarding.” He goes, “Let me show you one hit here and you might not be able to walk again.” And, if somebody punches you in the gut, you're prepared for, it's one thing, but I got to tell you, I'm usually pretty prepared, I wasn't prepared for that.
Ben: Yeah. Time to move into the basement and become a blogger.
Tony: Well, I hadn't thought about that. Perhaps that would have been a good move. But, fortunately for me, my brain kicked back in in my heart and I was like, “Okay, there's always an answer.” And so, I called Peter because he was my dear friend, and he's a rocket scientist and an MD from Harvard. It's like, I've heard so much about stem cells, some people say, it's all BS, all these doctors told me it's worthless.
Tony: But, I've heard from other people, some of my athlete friends who are GOATs, greatest of all time, who went over to Germany and went to other places and swear by them. So, I said, “Who should I talk to?” And, he said, “Well, you should talk to Bob Hariri.” And, I didn't know at the time. I knew Bob was a neurosurgeon, I didn't know he was one of the earliest people to discover the impact of stem cells. And, at the time, it's like saying, “I want to learn about basketball, let me introduce you to my friend, Lebron James.”
So, I go see Bob and I'm so impressed by Bob. And, Bob says, “Listen Tony, at your stage of life,” I was 53, he said, “there's no way.” He said, “Your stem cells have dropped off the cliff. If you go do autologist, which means the stem cells from your own body, it's not going to work. You need allogenic.” Big word for cells from someone else. “But you need four-day-old stem cells with a force of life.” Life force in them. And, I said, “Well, I don't want fetal tissue.” And, he said, “No, you don't need to do that, we're talking about cord or placenta stem cells.” He said, “They've been thrown away by most people, but it's the force of life.” And, told me where to go. So, I listened to Bob–
Ben: Cord or placenta, the reason you say that they would be thrown away is, and I don't know when this injury occurred but are you referring to the fact that people were favoring their own fat or their own bone marrow like these autologous procedures at the time?
Tony: No. I'm just talking about pregnancies when babies are born. Most of the time–
Ben: Okay, okay, I got you. I got you.
Tony: Yeah, they throw them away. So, he told me a place to go to that was experts in this area. I went down. I spent three days. I got an IV once a day and I got a shot. And, the first day, I just felt sleepy and relaxed and it's fine. The second day, I woke up, I had a cytokine response. Unfortunately, I knew what it was, so I didn't overreact. Shaking, freezing for about 20 minutes, and then I went to sleep and I woke up for the first time in 14 years. Not only was my shoulder perfect, no pain in my spine the first time in 14 years. So, you can imagine then I became an evangelist. I want to know everything about stem cells. And then, I realized it's not just stem cells, we're in a revolution of precision medicine, regenerative medicine, and then Peter was going to the Vatican. Believe it or not, the Pope every two years puts on the largest stem cell and regenerative medicine conference in the world because it's not fetal tissue, he sees it as a gift to humanity. So, it brings people from all over the world the very best and he asked me to be–
Ben: This is a thing at the Vatican?
Tony: Yeah. And, they asked me to be the cleanup speaker. And, I was like, “Okay, I'll do that, but I want to come to the whole program.” And, I tend the whole thing and I met 11-year-old that was supposed to die that Bob had turned around. The kid was four years old and they saw no solution, and they got stem cells from his young sister and he's alive today. I met people that were sent home to die with various forms of cancer, and then people didn't give up and they went and got CAR t-cells, for example, and they're alive today, seven years later. I don't know if you saw, but Nature this last week said, “Ten years now, these CAR t-cells are still alive.” It's the first time I've seen anybody in that market talking about a cure, but for leukemia and liquid cancers. And then, I got to meet Jack Nicklaus who was the greatest golfer of all time, they were going to fuse his spine. He couldn't stand for more than 10 minutes without immense pain. And, spinal fusion does not work at least 50% of the time. Fortunately, he got stem cells. He's 82 now and he plays golf and plays tennis. Complete change of life.
I went to Simon & Schuster and said, “I want to do what I did with money.” I want to go to the greatest sources on Earth. I want to interview them. I want to synthesize, and simplify, and actionable things that people can do. And, I want to show people what they can do to have more energy, strength, and vitality. But, I also want to show them what's happening with longevity, and I also want to show them what to do with the big killers so that there's something else besides standard of care which often is not enough as you and I both know. So, that's when we started discovering these things obviously about gene therapy and what's happening with CRISPR where curing diseases never to have a cure. We're taking stem cells and getting people to walk again, use their arms again. There's a single injection that's made by a company right now that's in phase three trials, the final stage. They hope to be approved the end of the year beginning next year. Single injection triggers your wind pathway, the signaling pathway, makes you make up new tendons. So, if you have osteoarthritis within 11 months, you have all new tendons. And, because it's a clean epigenome they're pulling from, you end up with 16-year-old tendons even if you're 50 or 60 years old.
Ben: Was that the Biosplice therapy that you're talking on the book or something? Okay, that was Biosplice. So, I'm glad that you brought that up because I'm going to slow things down here for just a second. Either of you guys, Peter or Tony, you can answer this question because you actually have–and, I think this is wonderful for illustrative purposes. You have two fascinating individuals in this book. So fascinating. In fact, I handed my twin 13-year-old sons the book with those two sections folded over and I said, “Read about these two inspiring individuals. They're doing amazing things.” And, I had my sons read that. And, the first person was Osman Kibar. I don't know if I'm pronouncing his name properly. And, he's the guy who started up this whole Biosplice thing. So, I would love for one of you guys to explain a little bit more about what Biosplice is, but if you could give a little bit of a background of who this Osman guy is because he got some unicorns of this book who are just holy cow, they're doing some really cool stuff.
Tony: I'll let Peter just because I've been talking so much. I apologize, I'm doing all day long by myself. I'll let Peter answer. But, I do want to mention one thing. Osman and, I don't know who the other one you're picking but there's so many to pick from.
Tony: Yeah, of course, Martine Rothblatt. These are the people that if you look at them, almost all of the people that created these breakthroughs, Ben, they had one thing in common. They lost a mother, or a brother, or a sister, or a wife, or a child, or someone super close to them and it set them into a 10-, 20-year hunger and drive to say, “I won't settle for standard of care. I'm going to find the answer” even though there isn't one like Dr. June, for example. And, here we are, 10, 20 years later, and we're all going to get to benefit from it. But, Peter I've been talking, why don't you tell them about Biosplice.
Peter: I'll jump in on Martine who I know so well for 40 years and then–
Ben: You know Martine? Okay. So, Martine's the other person. Yeah, that's fine. Tell me about Martine because I know she did some different things.
Peter: Martine is extraordinary. So, you have to understand Martine was the creator of Sirius and XM Radio. She was a regulatory lawyer for satellite industry. Her daughter, Genesis, comes down with a disease that pulmonary fibrosis, that the doctors say to Martine, “This is fatal. Your daughter is going to die in a couple years and there's no solution.” What did Martine do? The rock star that she is, she quits the board of her company, she cashes in, and she sets out on her very first moon. Actually, it's her second moonshot. Her first moonshot was satellite radio, which she made happen. Second moonshot was cure her daughter. What she starts with is a high school textbook, sits in the medical library, starts reading everything she can.
Ben: Not knowing anything about anatomy and physiology, and she comes from a tech background.
Peter: This is biology 101. This is like, this is a cell, and this is a nucleus, and this is the lung tissue and so forth. Long story short, she goes on this wild journey trying to get some grapple on some pharmaceutical that could deal with pulmonary fibrosis. And, she finds a single scientist at one of the large pharmas. Do you remember which one it was, Tony?
Tony: I don't remember the name of it, but they had that drug that didn't work out for what they wanted but could help make the difference on the lung for his daughter.
Peter: So, first of all, she's like, “Give me that medicine, let me try to my daughter.” And, that like, “No, we don't trust you with this medicine, we can't just give it to anybody, we could be sued,” et cetera. So, she gets this incredible panoply of advisors and physicians, and supporters. And, she finally gets access to the drug. And, what she gets a little packet of white dust, basically some crystallized of the particular molecule. And, she goes through a drug discovery process, creates this drug, starts the company United Therapeutics, effectively cures her daughter, and then builds what is today $9.5 billion company.
Ben: And, this is a subtle nuance by the way, Peter, that I think folks should know. This was a worthless powder. This was totally abandoned. I don't know what they call them like orphan drugs that nobody's using–
Peter: That's exactly right.
Ben: She licensed it for–I'm sure the pharmaceutical company was kicking themselves afterwards.
Peter: Well, they got a percentage of future revenue, so I'm sure they can fine for something that was taking up refrigerator space. But, at the end of the day, that wasn't enough for her. She was like, “Okay, this drug can postpone the onset of pulmonary fibrosis but what my daughter needs is a new set of lungs.” And so, she sets out on a mission of organogenesis, how can you build new organs. And, she sets out on three and four different approaches. One approach is, can you take organs that are harvested from someone who passes away? But, reperfusion, get them functional again and these, she designed and built machines that could reperfuse the lungs to get them back to a status that they were transplantable. She then set out on a mission with a gentleman by the name of Craig Venter who's sequenced the first genome with the notion turns out that pig organs are the same size as human organs. A pig heart, liver, lung, kidney looks very much that of a human.
Ben: Right. The only people that knew that, by the way, are the carnivore diet enthusiasts listening in.
Peter: Absolutely. But, the problem is if you took a pig lung or kidney and you transplanted it, your immune system would destroy it as a foreign body but also in the genome of pigs are these endogenous retroviruses, these viruses that pop out and then infect the rest of your body. So, they knocked out the retroviruses, they modify 10 genes in the pig genome to make it sort of a humanized pig. And, just recently Martine's company transplanted the first kidney and also the first heart into a human subject. So, this is the potential to have a near-infinite supply of organs and bacon at the same time. I mean, it's pretty extraordinary coming down the pike.
Ben: Yeah. And, I mean not only is it crazy that she comes from a background in tech knowing nothing about this winds up taking an orphan drug and turning into an effective treatment for pulmonary fibrosis and saving her daughter, but then figures out how to make actual human-friendly organs from pigs.
Tony: It's going beyond that now as Peter will share with you. But, Tony Atala, Anthony Atala at Wake Forest University has been, the DOD has been funding him for more than 14 years. He has an approach of spraying on a scaffolding your own stem cells building an organ. For 12 years, he's had people with bladders in them that are perfect because they don't get rejected and baking them over 30 or 40 days to build these. And now, in the book we've given examples like soldiers, their ears blown off and he just regrows a new ear with their own exact stem cells. And now, share with him Peter about what's happening now with this, what would I call it, almost like the forward approach to building organs.
Peter: Yeah. I'll just mention quickly on Martine. The other thing she's doing is she's looking at 3D printing organs where she's 3D printing using human connective tissue to create the skeleton of the lung and then putting it into a bath of stem cells and having lung cells effectively differentiate on that lung tissue.
Ben: Right. You basically have the skeleton, you have the scaffolding, you got the stem cells, same reason that Tony was able to basically regrow his tissue from the snowboarding accident and they're using that same technology to just basically build a lung or build a heart.
Peter: Now, what's miraculous even compared to all that is another hero of the book. And, one of the things that Tony and I truly enjoyed, and Tony's such a masterful storyteller comes through so beautifully, is telling these hero stories.
Another hero is a gentleman named Dean Kamen. Most all of you might know him as the Creator of the Segway, which is the unfortunate side because he's much more famous than that. He created the implantable insulin pumps and the LUKE arm for people who have lost their arm, robotic arms and robotic–
Ben: Okay. Well, hold on, we just established that one of the common internet myths has now been debunked. The guy who invented the Segway did not commit suicide by writing Segway up a cliff. It's a thing–
Tony: I've never heard that story.
Ben: Yeah. That's the myth. Yeah. Okay. So, this guy's still alive and he's still doing cool stuff.
Tony: We got a real breakthrough from this book now, didn't we?
Ben: Yeah. If the book does nothing else, you got that going for you.
Peter: Dean is alive and kicking and thriving. So, anyway, Dean's a rock star, 1,500 patents. He's extraordinary. And, about two, three years ago, he ends up getting a grant from the defense department with the audacious mission of, can you build a machine that can manufacture any human organ? I want you to think about this. What he's built and we went out to New Hampshire to the Advanced Regenerative Manufacturing Institute, ARMI, and I saw with my own eyes, it's about 40 feet long. In one end, you put tissue samples. It can be skin cells or other cells you want to donate, it's converted to what's called an induced pluripotent stem cell. So, your cells in your body, your heart cells, liver cells, bone cells, your brain cells are all differentiated. They're super-specialized. But, if you treat those cells in a very specific fashion, you can get them back to an embryonic state where they can re-specialize into some other cells. So, you can go from skin to these pluripotent stem cells, and then from the pluripotent stem cells to heart tissue, for example. So, you put the pluripotent stem cells in one end of the machine. And, depending on what you're building, anywhere from 45 to 90 days later, at the other end of the machine comes your human organ that's been matched to your exact DNA. So, they've done this with bone ligament, bone segments that you could use for repairing your knee or your ankle.
And, the next mission that they're focused on is pediatric hearts. So, you never think about if a child needs a heart transplant where is he or she going to get it from? It's not a good situation. But, imagine if you could actually 3D print a heart ready for transplant? That's what they're working on right now with the target of the next year.
Tony: Yeah. And, by the way, listen, it's a target the next year, when you first hear this, you think this is such BS, but we're talking to Martine if she's saying, “Okay, when do these pig parts going to be able to be installed?” And, both Peter and I think in five years, three years, six years. She said, “Tony, by the time your book comes out, it'll be happening.” And, she texted me a couple weeks ago when they first did the first implant where it was in person who actually died, they were just keeping alive. And then, of course, just a few weeks ago, they did the first heart implant, a big heart implant of a live person like literally exactly on time. Martine's great gift is to take giant moon shots and break them into something that's truly solvable in chunks like one-year chunks, what's going to get done. And, she thinks that way and she solves things that level. She's so conscious. She doesn't want to just send these body parts on little Learjets that use all that fuel. So, she built the first electric helicopter, [00:26:14]____ distances and funded it, got the thing done. I mean, this is the level of creativity that's there. So, imagine your car's old but you put in new tires, you put in a new engine, you do a new paint job, you need a new interior, that's basically what we're going to be able to do with our bodies and we're talking about not 30 years in the future, we're talking about with kids perhaps a year or two with their heart. We're talking five years, six years, seven years, ten at the outside. You got to take care of yourself so you can take advantage of these things.
Ben: Yeah. I'm definitely looking forward to a decade from now when I can head down to Safeway to get pickles, and yogurt, and grab a spleen amazing along with [00:26:49] _____.
You briefly alluded to Biosplice and I brought up Osman as another very inspirational individual within the book. I have a lot of listeners who are kind of, they're seeing the light at the end of the tunnel or whatever you want to call it, super active exercise enthusiasts reaching 40, 50, 60. The joints are starting to hurt and at the back of their heads, they're starting to wonder what's going to be available for things like connective tissue regeneration or helping to fix joints. I know Biosplice does a lot more than that, but tell me about Osman and Biosplice and what they're doing.
Tony: Well, Osman has got a really unique history. He's a math genius and he is from Turkey. And, his entire company is made up of the basis of it are these four leaders that all got in this special school. In order to get in, you have to be the best and the best in Europe. He won the European math competitions. He went out and won the world series of poker and did so well that he got bored and moved on to give you an idea.
And so, a variety of things in his background, but one of his dear friends from back in this Turkish high school made for the best of the best became one of the top lawyers on Wall Street. Another one of his buddies there became with the top people on medical science. He brought them all together when he came up with this idea of this ability to recreate by understanding the Wnt pathway. The Wnt pathway, WNT, actually is a signaling pathway. When you're born, everything after you're born after the fetus just begun is coming from stem cells, and the Wnt pathway says this many stem cells for brain cells, this many for stomach, this many for leg muscles, whatever the case may be. And so, they learned that they could accelerate it or turn it down. So, they've got, I think, it's eight cancers they're working on right now. They've had extraordinary results with where you take a pill. And, the pill goes to your system that there's nothing wrong, it passes the system. But, one of the biggest problems with cancer is metastasization somewhere else in your body. And, it down-regulates this overgrowth that cancer cells have. Or, in the cases, let's say your knee, it increases the stimulation. And, they've learned how to monitor this with a tremendous level of precision.
Again, they're in phase three trials on those, the pieces you're concerned about, your knees, your ankles, and so forth. These guys have all had the injections themselves. They injure themselves in soccer and he got himself that. He's got brand new knees, it's just pretty extraordinary. This is phase three, so it could still not work, but I'd bet on a heartbeat if it doesn't work, they'll find another approach. But so far, it looks incredibly good. And so, it's cancers, how do I change the regulation, how do I upregulate or down regulate through this Biosplice technology?
Peter: And, it's for different tissues of ligaments, and tendons, and cartilage, and so forth. And, one of the points that he made which was interesting is that the Wnt pathway when you're stimulating stem cells, it works as well for your stem cells if you're 20, or if you're 60, or if you're 80. And so, this is about giving hope to people who are like–And, I've had these conversations with some of the people that I mentor and support who are going in for total knee replacements. It's like, “Dude, if you replace it all with metal, you can't grow the cartilage back there, it's gone.”
Peter: So, consider it carefully before you do that.
Ben: Right. And, that's basically what regenerative medicine is. It's a regeneration rather than removal and an addition of a new component. Now, the interesting thing about that went pathways, you alluded to, and I think that's important, Peter, is no matter how old you are, once the stem cells are triggered, they can start to regenerate if that WNT pathway is triggered. And, you guys mentioned there's a capsule. And, you talk about peptides in the book and the thing with peptides is you can inject them, and they can be injected locally. They can also act systemically if you just do a subcutaneous injection in the fat tissue say. Now, with this Biosplice, are you saying you could swallow a capsule? It'll just act systemically wherever it's needed. Or, would it also be an injectable where you could take it straight into the joint that needs it most?
Tony: It's injectable when you're doing knees. It's a pill when they're dealing with cancer because they go through the whole system because of metastasization. That's the biggest challenge with cancer.
Peter: So, Ben, I have Osman on my stage years back, and he's going through his presentation, and he's talking about what Biosplice can do. And, it can grow your cartilage, you can cure this cancer over here, and then it can grow hair. And, the audience explodes excitement.
Ben: When he got to the hair part.
Ben: Yeah, yeah. Because that's important. We all know. That's more important than lungs, or cancer, or heart, or anything. I mentioned peptides. You guys have a great little spread on peptides in there. Have you looked into these peptide bioregulators at all? They're smaller amino acid chains than peptides, but they're out of Russia. Dr. Khavinson over in Russia is the main researcher on these for decreasing the rate at which telomeres shorten and regenerating organs using peptides that target specific organs. You take one for your testes, and one for your lungs, and one for your pancreas, et cetera. Do you guys use peptides or peptide bioregulators at all?
Tony: Yeah. We do use peptides and I mean, there's a whole chart in the book. I can't even remember half of them in terms of because IB-7, 29, and so forth. But, as you know, there's some for immune. One that's really interesting that most people have no enough knowledge about is it's one that men have a blue pill if they have a challenge because it's only blood flow. But, for women, hormonally, it can be a lack of desire. And, there's one that stimulates the neurological level of desire in men and women, and we were just talking to Mark Hyman. He said, “Yeah, I tried that thing.” And, he goes, “It was unbelievable.”
Ben: Is that PT 141?
Tony: I think, it is PT 141, we'll have to look it up.
Ben: Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, I have some little trochees up in my pants. It's basically PT 141, and progesterone, and tadalafil. And, you take that thing a few hours before a date night, and holy cow. Yeah, you're right. That's a very interesting peptide.
Tony: But, it's a nice one for your date as well not just you because most men getting that desire is not as much a difficulty. Sometimes, I'm only for women is. And so, that's where the real breakthrough is. But, as you know, there are ones for weight loss, there's ones that are for the immune system. And so, we do a full catalog of it, and then talk to you about what the upsides and downsides are of them, and how to make sure you get the proper education and the right doctor for it. Just like hormones are so important, we all know about hormones. Most women because of menopause are familiar with it, but they're looking hormone replacement therapy, what's currently now. And, you know this Ben, but not everybody does, is hormone optimization therapy where you make minor shifts but a huge shift in your energy or your strength, men or women. We had a gentleman that was, I forgot how old he was, but he's 36 pounds overweight, he came to Fountain Life, his wife's frustrated, he's frustrated, got brain fog and everything else. And, look at everything and he's like, “Oh, I've had my hormones looked at.” Doctors don't tell people until they get to a place where it's a problem. So, he was like, I think it was 225 and you probably know 7, 8, 900 most men need to feel reasonably strong and alive, but they don't say anything until you're like, I don't know what the number is, 175 or whatever, when you got a problem. Today, you don't have to wait for some giant intervention. You can make these minor interventions and see radical changes in the quality of your life.
Ben: Yeah, yeah. I love it. And, write a note to yourself, guys, by the way, to look into not just peptides but peptide bioregulators. Mark my words, those are going to be something that are a big thing in the anti-aging and longevity industry in the next several years.
Tony: Cool. We'll check it out.
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We started to talk about these little molecules that are cool. I'd love to shift for a second and talk about a few of those. When I was introducing you guys, I mentioned NAD and obviously, a lot of people are into NAD these days for life extension for DNA repair, et cetera. I was intrigued though. There was a page in the book where you guys talked about kind of a new game in town when it comes to boosting NAD levels. Tell me about that one. It had one of those E-3PO names.
Tony: MIB-626 it's called.
Tony: I know, Ben, you're so well-read and so known. But, just make sure your audience is up to speed, just think about three things first. We all know DNA is not our destiny at this point, it's the epigenome, above the genome. So, the genome has got those 3.2 letters your mom and dad, billion letters, and you got your instruction, your genes from that. But, think of that like the piano. The epigenome is the piano player. Well, what affects the epigenome as you know, diet, exercise, sleep, radiation, chemicals. All those things play a role, but those seven master genes, the sirtuins, as I'm sure you know, play two critical roles. And, people need to hear this. And, they're competing roles. The first role is they turn on and off the genes, which can determine your life or death, or the quality of your life. The second thing they do is they bring down inflammation, which as you know is one of the basis of most disease. Thirdly, they go and help to make sure that NAD gets into the cell and you actually get the transformation of the energy and the mitochondria in the body with those energy furnaces. But, they also have–
Ben: Right. Which is why a lot of people will combine NAD with a sirtuin activator like resveratrol, for example–
Tony: That's correct. And, that's something David Sinclair does. We talk about that in the book. But, in addition, it has a competing task and that competing task is it also goes and cleans up your DNA because as you age, you get more exposure to radiation, to crap in the environment, bad diet, all those things, and you accumulate challenges. Well, when sirtuins are properly fueled, which you know comes from NAD. NAD is what's fueling that. Well, NAD drops off the cliff in your 50s, and it starts dropping in your late 40s. And so, all of a sudden, you don't have enough energy and it's got to decide, am I going to clean up your DNA or am I going to provide this protection that you need for inflammation? And so, NAD as you know, needs the precursor of NMN to make it work. But, here's what we found is so important for your audience to know this. We tested six different brands because we're doing our homework, and there was no NMN in any one of them. And, I went to the lab and said, “How's this possible? These guys, are they just thieves?” Most of it comes from China originally and they said, well, they could be, but it also breaks down in 30 to 45 days. So, by the time people get it, most of it is worthless. It's psychological.
Tony: But, this new and the reason it breaks down is that's how it works. So, this group called MicroBiotech–
Tony: MetroBiotech, excuse me. The founder of it, Ed Schulak is coming to my house here this Saturday again. So, I became an investor in the company because I couldn't believe the results. So, here's what the audience needs to hear just for a second. When you give a mice NMN, an old mouse, an old mouse is 20 months, it'd be like a 70-year-old person. Without giving them NMN, they can do a quarter of a kilometer on a treadmill. A young powerful mouse can do four times that, one kilometer. Fourteen days on real NMN, and the mice can run 2 to 3 kilometers, 2 to 300% more than a strong mice and multitudes more than they're normal. So, the question is, where do you get the best NMN?
So, Ed Schulak and his group, he went and hired one. This breakthrough started happening. Some of the best people in the world. Like Altos Labs where they put together all these geniuses, he's got about 150 of them also that are working with them on these solutions in a variety of areas, but this is one of them. And, they came up with a crystallized molecule that is like NMN and produces the same result but does not break down. And, instead of getting 30% absorption which, let's say, in mice on NMN, you get somewhere between 200 and 300%. But, here's what's exciting, mice studies don't always transfer as you well know to humans. Here's what's amazing. And, this got released inadvertently by a commander who was not supposed to talk about this. This is all top secret. But, about a month-and-a-half ago in Boston, one of the commanders, they've had a two-year study with our Special Forces, and then it was in the Daily Mail like last week. And, the reporting is still not accurate because they don't know the details. And, I can't tell you the exact details, we're investors in the company or I'm investor in the company anyway. And so, I know some of it but it can't be released yet. But, here's what I can tell you. They just finished the study. For two years, they got all the data. The commander was so excited, he told people the results for the strongest people in the world, these special forces, men and women, their level of endurance has exploded similar to the mice. Their muscle development from the same amount of exercise has exploded and most importantly especially for the military, their cognitive capacity has gone through the roof. So, when you're exhausted, can you still think and function? Ed was introducing me and said, he's got this friend that's now 72 years old. He hasn't played world-class chess since his 60s because the problems he's had because the brain requires the most energy, he's been doing this NMN, and now he's playing world-class chess at 72 years old.
Now, with COVID, it goes in and it messes with our mitochondria, one of the sources that you need. I think they're on phase three. I'm pretty sure I'm going to find out on Saturday. I'm not only preventing COVID, but the recovery from long-term COVID, they've got to study another university on the kidneys which are affected by COVID, but the most exciting thing is this is not going to be a nutraceutical. They're going through the FDA, they're doing a parallel path along with the military, and they think in 18 to 24 months, they should have approval. And, because the safety has already been covered and so forth, the efficacy. So, really going closer to phase three trials. This means anyone be able to do the most important things in life, have the maximum energy in your cells, have the right genes turned on and off, and have your DNA cleaned up when right now when you get to 50, it pretty much drops off the cliff. So, it's one of the more exciting breakthroughs I see coming down the pipe.
Ben: That's amazing. And, I want to make sure people heard you say that it drastically affects cognitive performance because that's what a lot of people don't know about NAM, you look at all these NAD in our supplements. NMN is it's the only NAD precursor that can efficiently increase your hippocampal and your hypothalamic NAD levels.
Tony: That's correct.
Ben: So, that's important that they're using this NMN precursor because they're actually getting the cognitive aspects as well. So, that one's called, what is it again, MIB–
Ben: MIB-626. But, here's what's cool–
Tony: It's in the book.
Ben: –is that you guys also talk about something else related to NAD that correct me if I'm wrong, it seems it could possibly stack quite well with this MIB-626, and that's NAD3. Another one, I think it's more of a nutraceutical. I was unfamiliar with it. Tell me about that one.
Tony: Peter, you want to pick that up with NR as well?
Peter: So, one of the things that Tony and I wanted to do in this book was give people an on-ramp, give them an action plan for people who say, “Yes, I'm in for this journey of increasing energy and vitality.” And, along the way, we met a gentleman, Dr. Hector Lopez who is one of the world's experts on nutraceuticals, and he became a world's expert by virtue of testing what's out there. So, he'd run the lab that would test nutraceuticals to say what's–
Tony: Using AI, by the way. So, that's why he's more sophisticated than most.
Peter: And, what he ended up doing was realizing that a lot of the formulations were very weak and they didn't have the right combination. So, he ended up putting together a series of formulations that we actually make available for folks who want to pursue it. One called Peak Rise, one called Peak Energy, Peak Vitality, and Peak Longevity. And, these are formulations that include NR, NMN, and other precursors. So, I mean, the details are on the LifeForce.com website.
Ben: Yeah, yeah. It's a very interesting formulation. Yeah. It says it's got wasabi, theocrane, copper, niacin. Basically, it's kind of turbocharging the enzymes that boost the conversion of NAD precursor. So, I don't know if they messed around with these at all with the MIB-636 study or 626 studies but it'd be interesting to see what the effects would be combining something like that with NAD3. And so, I think probably the takeaway story here for people who are interested in NR, NMN, or NAD is that there's some really cool things coming down the pipeline related to that.
Tony: Man, I'm blown away by your level of detail. I've listened to your podcast once or twice, but you're a real master of these details. I'm really impressed. Very few people understand the dynamics between these.
Ben: Well, I'm a dummy about it, just don't ask me about crypto or what's ranked high on Rotten Tomatoes right now because I failed that. But, I like to talk about that stuff.
Tony: Well, I'll tell you. One of the things we did is I hope we'll get a chance. We should talk about diagnostics at some point because it's so critically important.
Ben: Yeah, I do because you talk about Fountain Life. And, I was just intrigued. This seems like the medical clinic of the future. There were three things. There were three things that I thought were fascinating when it came to Fountain Life. And, I'll give you a chance to see what that is momentarily. But, I can tell you right now the three things that really caught my eye. Early detection of heart attacks, early detection of cancer, and early detection of Alzheimer's. Respectively, this Cleerly, the Grail and the Combinostics. I know it's a horrible interviewer who asks a whole bunch of questions at once, but let's get into early detection. Go ahead.
Tony: Let me take cancer heart disease and Peter maybe do the Alzheimer's because I know it's one of your favorites especially with Dr. Tanzi. But, let me give an example on cancer because it's such a simple example. Again, the majority of the time when people die of cancer, it's because they find it out at stage 2 or stage 3. And, most of the cancers that get us are the ones we have no tests for. So, we have colonoscopies, women have mammograms but the challenge is the Cancer Society did a study with 100,000 people. And, this is what they came out as the general of the entire summary of what they learned. Roughly 80% of the time if you find out at stage 3 or stage 4, you're 80% chance of dying. I focus on the 20% chance of living what to do differently but that's what they share.
The message really is it's much harder. At stage 1 or 2, it's 80 to 99.9% chance that you live. But, most of us don't discover this. So, like we said, the heroes in this book all have this thing in common of something pushed them beyond. And, this blood test that's been done now that's able to find 50 different cancers in your body before there's any symptoms, it was generated by the gentleman from Google is ahead of their investment in X division. And, of course, he lost his wife to cancer, a two-year painful experience, and it just drove him to find these answers. And so, now in combination with MRI because you have to go plus the blood-brain barrier or an MRI, you can now know exactly what's going in your body. We had a man come in, his wife, again, pushed him. There's another example of this. And, he went through the typical physical, and he did his blood analysis, and he did urinalysis, and she said, “You got to do this test.” It's called the Galleri test. He said, you do the test and he finds out that he's got kidney cancer but it was at the early stages. So, it was like 20-minute procedure, outpatient procedure, and he's cancer-free. Otherwise, this thing would have grown never even known about it with a traditional approach. So, that's one.
The other one is the heart because Cleerly–
Ben: And, that early cancer technology, that's just a simple blood biopsy. There's a blood–
Tony: That's all is. A simple blood biopsy. That's the beauty of it. I think it's like a thousand bucks, it's going to drop to about 600 bucks pretty quick to know exactly where you stand, and be able to kill them [00:50:28] _____. Pardon me?
Ben: Galleri is it called?
Peter: Grail test.
Tony: Grail, G-R-A-I-L, Grail. I'm sorry maybe I misspoke. But then, there's the CCTA test. So, one of our partners there, the Fountain Life owns, as I said, 10 to 12. I think, it's 12 now. I started hospitals. And, he just got tired of sick care and wanted to get in prevention, and want to get precision medicine. And so, that's why we built these Fountain Life centers across the U.S. and we're doing some in Dubai and other parts. But, he called me about five or six months ago. And, he's Mr. Understatement. He says, “Tony, you got to come see this. This is the greatest breakthrough I've seen in 10 years in cardiology.” And, I'm like, “Anybody else said that, I think they're full of it.” But, when Bill says this to you, he understates everything. I said, “Well, what is it?” He said, “Well, you do the state-of-the-art CT scan.” And, you can barely read it. It's hard to tell. It's grayed out. You're looking to get a calcium score. And, we don't know if it's hardened calcium or it's soft plaque.
Ben: That's a very important nuance. Maybe, you were about to explain but a lot of athletes, they'll go in and get these calcium scan scores and very dense kind of like organized calcium plaques and heart tissue. They're actually not something to worry about too much. And, especially in these athletes, it's less dense plaques. That's the problem. People freak out. They get these high calcium scores and they're healthy and they freak out.
Tony: You read it exactly right. So, what this is is an AI that opens up all the arteries and digitally goes through and says, “Is this soft black or is this hardened calcium?” which means it's healed, it's healthy, it's not something to worry about. And, as a result of that, they can predict the heart attack five years in advance and then tell you what to do to prevent it.
We had a gentleman that came to Fountain Life. He couldn't get life insurance. I don't remember his score. It was insane, the number. Highest number I've ever heard of. And, Bill said, “Listen, we did his test and it was all hardened calcium. He is not a risk.” And so, they called the insurance company, insurance companies almost never changed, but they showed them the new Cleerly CTA scan and they reversed themselves and gave them life insurance to give you an idea.
But, let me tell you what I did. When he told me this, I said, I'm in, I'm going to do the test. I'll come next week. And, my father-in-law is with me and he just turned 80 years old. And, as you get older, this is a guy, was self-made, built the lumber business, but like every rounds I'm saying, get your affairs in order, you're 80 years old, you never know what's going to happen. And, I've watched over the last two or three years and kind of lose that energy. So, I said, “Dad,” I said, “how about I'm going to go do this test, why don't you come with me and do it as well?” I said, “We're both old enough, we're going to have some soft plaques. It'll show us where it is in the body precisely, show us what to do to get rid of it.” And, he goes, “Okay, I'm in. We'll go.” We go, we do the test, and my 80-year-old father-in-law is clean as a whistle. I mean, he is like so healthy. It's unbelievable. I was better than I was five years ago, super great, but he was better than I was. And, you can't believe what it changed in his psychology. And then, we have these techniques that we do with some of the great athletes in the world or just general people. We work with all the Pittsburgh Steelers the entire team, but you get an injury, a soft tissue injury, and it locks up. It might lock up the circulation. It might walk off the blood flow. It might walk off nerves. And, I had one on my ankle from jumping on stage from 15 years ago. [00:53:44] _____ have ever fixed it. And so, even if I got a massage, don't touch that ankle because I would get this electric shock from the nerves up my leg.
Ben: Yeah, yeah.
Tony: And so, I did it, they scan you with ultrasound. It takes five minutes. They find the spot, they put in amnio fluid, the substance, it opens it up the tissue. You get full circulation. The nerve pops in place. You can smack me as hard as you want. Now, it doesn't feel anything. So, dad's there, he's high as a kite that he's got a healthy heart. I said, “Can we look at his hip?” because part of what makes you feel old, you're not able to be stable or walk. He had real problems with his hips. So, he spent about a half-hour with him. Boom, his hip is perfect. He's walking smoothly there. We get on the plane, I was telling Peter the story, and he sits across me. I'll never forget this moment. He looks at me and goes, “You know, Tony, these people talk about 110, 120, I don't know about that.” But, he said, “My heart is perfect. My hip is perfect. I could live another 20 years. I could live to 100. You've only been married and my wife 20 or to my daughter 22 years.” He said, “You know what, that's another lifetime.” And, he's like a different person. And, that's the part that I want people to know. But, Peter is the master of this because I was like, “I don't want to get tested on these things in those days until I started seeing these thoughts I told you about.” But, Peter, tell them what you do. You're supposed to–
Ben: Yeah. And, by the way, before Peter jumps in, was that a nerve hydro dissection protocol that they did on your dad?
Ben: Those are amazing. My friend, Dr. Matt Cook over in San Jose–
Tony: Yes. And, that's fantastic.
Ben: Oh, my gosh. I fly down there and he'll just shove a few nerves to the side and get rid of pain instantly. It's crazy. I'm surprised more people don't know about that protocol.
Tony: It's miraculous. It's truly miraculous.
Ben: Alzheimer's, go ahead Peter.
Peter: Yeah. So, Ben, I mean, for the last five years, every year religiously, I go for my upload. In fact, tomorrow I'm going, I'm flying to Naples. We have a Fountain Life facility in Naples, in New York. We're opening up Dallas. We're in Philadelphia. We're opening up Denver. Santa Monica. And then, a number throughout England, Europe. I'm sorry.
Tony: Abu Dhabi.
Peter: London, Abu Dhabi, yeah, and India. And, it's a five-hour engagement. And, during that five hours, you're going to get your full body MRI, your brain, your brain vasculature. You're going to find any aberration. One of the things that's important is you're going to also get your baseline because when you find something off, and Tony and I had the exact same situation, my aortic root of my heart where the aorta enters the heart was at the upper end of normal. And, the first time the radiologist saw it, I was really concerned about it. And then, especially since my father had some issues along that line. And, the next year is identical, the next year is identical, the next year is identical. and that's just my normal baseline. So, getting that baseline is so important. Clearly CTA, same miraculous situation that it was it really gave me confidence in my protocols of what I'm doing. But, at the end of the day, I go every year and I feel naked and exposed if I don't go. And, the challenge is we're all optimists about our health. We don't know that anything's going on. The stats of the following from the first 1,400 people that went through this kind of analysis, 2% were found to have a cancer they didn't know about, 2.5% had an aneurysm they didn't know about, and 14.4% had a significant life-threatening finding that they needed to get addressed within the next year.
So, we're all optimists and then people say, “Well, I don't want to know.” And, I was like, bullshit, of course, you want to know especially now where you can do so much about it.
Ben: Yeah. I mean playing devil's advocate. There are those cases where excessive medical screening leads to excessive medical costs and the detection of issues that may not have really been issues at all. But, at the same time, when we're talking about getting a blood biopsy and being able to get early detection of dozens of different cancer markers, I mean, it seems like the pros outweigh the cons to me.
Peter: And, also the imaging systems of 20, 30 years ago really gave false positives a bad name. That has been–
Ben: Breast cancer, thyroid cancer, et cetera.
Peter: Yeah. I mean, it's really been minimized. It's really the algorithms running on top of it. So, one of the things we do with Fountain Life because we've got six, seven centers this year, we'll have another seven centers or so in the next, the year that follows, but we created a operating system. And, we write about it in the book called Fountain OS. And, Fountain OS is turned on in like 45 US states will go beyond that where if you don't live near a Fountain center, you can still use the Fountain OS app to procure a Cleerly AI coronary scan, and a full-body MRI, and a Grail test in all of those we call them “journeys,” and then have the information uploaded to our algorithms in our AI and enter the system in that regard.
I'll just mention one other thing, which I think is probably the most amazing thing that Fountain Life is doing. We built a health insurance company. Now, check this out for it's still in the early days, but if you're a company of 50 people or more, you can get Fountain Health. And, for the same premium that you normally pay for your health insurance, you get included for your employees, all of the diagnostic testing: Cleerly CTA, the full-body MRI, the Grail test, the blood tests, and so forth because it's flipping the model to make it personalized and preventative.
Peter: Fire insurance pays after your house burns down, life insurance pays after you're dead. Health insurance pays after you're sick, but not in this case. The whole idea is to be on the same side of the table.
Ben: And, the detection in addition to cancer and heart disease that seemed pretty intriguing was this. I think it's called Combinostics testing for Alzheimer's. You guys know about that one?
Peter: We're basically beginning people to image the brain, image the ventricles, image the neural paths to understand, are you seeing early days of Alzheimer's. And then, we have Dr. Rudy Tanzi who's really one of the unsung heroes in the dementia space. He discovered the first genes around Alzheimer's and has been developing. He's probably the most optimistic speaker I've heard on the future of dementia because he gives hope that this can be stopped and slowed, and to even some degrees, reversed.
Ben: Wow, amazing.
Tony: One of the great things that excited me when we did this research around Alzheimer's as well is two things. One is there's a company that was funded by Google at UCSF is restoring memories. Most people believe the neuroinflammation means you've lost the memory. So, we've always believed you get to a certain point, those memories are gone.
Ben: I don't lose any memories. They're all on Facebook, they pop up every day.
Tony: Well, I'm talking about people who don't have Facebook or have it in their mind. But, what's interesting is, they're now finding there's a new drug it's called ISRIB.
Ben: Okay. And, they're doing it with animals first obviously with mice, but what they've proven is the inflammation is cutting the communication between the cells. When they're able to use this drug and reduce the inflammation, their original memories are back. Like, they can suddenly remember how to go through these mazes that they went through two years previously before they were in the state. And so, the most exciting thing is to think that we might be able to not just catch it early but even if you caught it a little bit later, be able to restore that communication. And then, there's a gentleman who built this thing called NeuroRacer. And, you take people who are in their 70s, late 70s, and they're having the beginning stages of Alzheimer's, and they play this game on an iPad. And, I think it's 14 sessions if my memory serves me right.
Ben: Yeah. That was Adam Gazzaliey.
Tony: That's right.
Ben: Or, University of California, I think, helped develop that. Yeah.
Tony: And, these people in their 70s after 14 sessions are able to multitask as well as the kids in their 20s. And so, there's some really cool things. And Peter, you might want to mention about Vaxxinity as well.
Ben: By the way, you did make Cal Newport cringe just now talking about enabling seniors to multitask. I think, he wants less people multitasking. But, yeah, that's super exciting that this is rib, it's an experimental drug to shut down inflammation related to the onset of dementia and Alzheimer's.
Peter: So, another set of heroes in in the book are Mei Hu and Lou Reese who are the co-founders of company called Vaxxinity. So obviously, vaccines have become all the vogue or all the conversation of the last couple years of the pandemic. And, vaccines have been extraordinary in dealing with infectious disease. What Vaxxinity has done is use vaccines to be able to train your immune system to attack endogenous proteins in the body. So, for example, I take something called Repatha right now, which is a PCSK9 inhibitor. So, in the liver, there's an enzyme PCSK9 that makes LDL, the bad cholesterol. And, I have genetic hypercholesterolemia and it's always plagued me. I can't deal with statins. And so, I would take an injection every two weeks of this monoclonal antibody. But, it's expensive, it's $14,000 a year. Because it's so expensive, it's the last line of defense even though it is much better than taking statins.
And so, what a monoclonal antibody is an antibody created in a VAT with cloned B cells creating these antibodies. You pull the antibodies at, you put into a self-injector, and you inject it yourself every two weeks. What if instead I could take a vaccination and train my own immune system to make the exact same antibodies against the PCSK9 vaccine? Except in this case, my factory makes it for free. So, an injection that can cost instead of 14,000 bucks for a year-long, it costs 100 bucks. It's literally a thousand times cheaper and can allow me to counteract hypercholesterolemia, which is heart disease and stroke. Vaxxinity has got a vaccine against Alzheimer's. It's got a vaccine against Parkinson's. It's developing vaccines against bone loss and muscle loss. So, the goal is to really attack the chronic diseases of aging. Yeah.
Ben: Wow. Okay.
Tony: So, you have full disclosure. We're both investors in that company ourselves too just so people know. So, we're quite enthusiastic about it, but we're also investors in it too.
Ben: Yeah, okay. Thanks for mentioning that. You've got two different pathways here that you're targeting the inflammatory pathway and then with this Vaxxinity, it appears that that's primarily, if I understand correctly, targeting some of the amyloid plaque pathways.
Ben: I think probably that the third thing to think about. I don't know if you guys have looked into this at all is Dr. Dayan Goodenowe. I haven't interviewed him on my podcast yet, but he wrote a fantastic book called “Breaking Alzheimer's.” And, he's been researching a lot of age-associated, what he calls plasmalogen deficiency with the idea that some of these precursors to things like phosphatidylcholine that can help out with brain health and stave off neurodegeneration. His company, I think, it's Prodome Sciences that they're now testing plasmalogen levels and finding that plasmalogen restoration targets another pathway of dementia and Alzheimer's namely these plasmalogen deficiencies. So, that's another one that I would imagine kind of what's basically wrote the end of Alzheimer's, [01:05:41] _____, multi-modal approach, the tackling Alzheimer's, ketones and fish oils–
Peter: What's that company called?
Ben: Red light, et cetera. It's Prodrome or Prodome Sciences. I don't recall, but the name of the book is “Breaking Alzheimer's.” I'd never seen that approach before, but when paired with quelling inflammation and targeting plaque formation, I could see us making huge breakthroughs in Alzheimer's in the next decade. So, that's exciting. Yeah, look into that guy. It's Dayan Goodenowe, “Breaking Alzheimer's.” Good book.
Just because I've got such a big audience who's in the fitness and working out, they beat up their bodies. We've talked a lot about regenerative medicine and longevity, but I'd be remiss not to give a head nod to a few of these things that I know you've tried, Tony, that have resulted in you being able to live a little bit more pain-free. There was a special form of physical therapy that you tried. It was the Egoscue therapy. Can you tell people about that?
Tony: Yeah. I was in two car accidents. One on the way to racing school. Both cases, I was rear-ended but the more severe one as I was going back to the airport, I'm sitting at a red light and I look up and the lights are coming fast. Guy gets me at 65 miles an hour at a stop light. And, everything happened in slow motion, I was obviously knocked unconscious. They pulled me out of the car and said, “Listen, you got to come to the hospital.” And, those days, I was, I'm avoiding the hospital at all cost. I'll talk to my chiropractor tomorrow, and I woke up next morning and I couldn't move. So, I spent the next two years doing every kind of physical therapy, nothing worked. It start to work and I'd go on stage and I'd hit two steps, and boom, my hips would snap under me, and I'd be sitting in a chair at 26 years old like I'm an 80-year-old man unable to move and trying to do my seminar. And then, I met Pete Egoscue. And, Pete Egoscue is a purple heart veteran from Vietnam. He was injured in battle and was told, you just have to live with the pain, take painkillers, and he'd never be able to walk properly again. And, like all the other people, he just didn't accept that. And, he began to study human physiology, and he began to study the structure of the body, and he built his own set of principles on a set of exercises. This guy can look at you, and without you saying a word. He says you got pain in your left hip, you got pain in the right side of your neck, you got this. People look at him like, how can he know that? He's that precise. And so, I've known him for literally since I was in my 20s, so almost 40 years. Nothing else helped me. In the first session, I got into pain. In the second session, I was consistently out of pain. By the time it was the third session, I felt like my normal self. And, I've been doing his work, which he adapts to your body. It's individual for everybody. Now, he's built an AI so he can help more people. But literally, you can go get a session with him through the book. I think, we've given people like a free session for him. And, you can see what's going on in your body, give you a couple of exercises that might take you 10, or 15, or 20 minutes, and find yourself in a few days out of pain. I mean, it is extraordinary.
In fact, Paul Tudor Jones, one of my dear friends funded a $10 million study where they competed with various forms of surgery and compared to what Pete's done. And, consistently if you read the study, he beats them in terms of getting people sustainably out of pain and be functionally effective again. He wrote a book called “Pain Free” as well that people could pick up as well. Just actually new version of it just came out.
Ben: Yeah. I think, I had briefly seen it. You had an event in New Jersey, and the guy who connected us, your trainer Billy, Billy Beck, he invited me out there, and I brought my sons, and we were walking around the stadium before we went in. And, I think it was Brian Bradley, I think is his name.
Tony: That's right. Brian is a dear friend.
Ben: Yeah. He said, “Oh, your sons want to come up on the stage and lead these special exercises with me for the audience.” My kids were like 10 years old, and they got up there and did all these exercises. And, I think it was like this five-minute routine, this Egoscue routine for back pain. And, I was sitting there watching and taking notes. I started doing that when I got home. It is actually remarkably effective. Simple exercises you wouldn't think would actually work.
Tony: That's part of what we try to do in this book is give you those biohacks that are cost you nothing, take nothing, produce tremendous results around sleep, around diet, around exercise. I mean, it's like cancer. People are so afraid of cancer. It's one thing is to prevent it. And, one thing is to monitor it, but I'm sure you know broccoli sprouts. In fact, Billy is the one who turned me on this from a sulforaphane and it dramatically reduced the risk of cancer. And, study show it can produce breast cancer cells by 80%. This is a no-brainer.
Ben: Penny's on the dollar. And, not only that, but the broccoli sprouts Dr. David Perlmutter has a new book. Great title, it's called “Dropping Acid.” It's about this epidemic of high uric acid, a lot of people don't know about, is causing gout, joint pain, et cetera. And, he talks about all the fixes in the book. And, broccoli sprouts are one of the ones that he recommends as a go-to to help out with the uric acid formation. So, yeah, everybody should have a little bag of these broccoli seeds in their freezer and toss them in smoothies and works great.
Tony: It's amazing. It's really amazing.
Ben: There is one other form of therapy that I wanted to mention that I found intriguing. I thought a lot of people would benefit from hearing about this one. Even though I haven't tried it, I'm interested. I marked it down and something to look into called Counterstrain. Tell me about that one.
Tony: Oh, my god. You'd never believe this. This was created by an osteopath about 75 years ago. Somebody came to see him and couldn't sleep, and so he just tried to find a position where the guy could fall asleep, and then he got him in position, he was comfortable, so he had to go handle two other patients, came back, the guy's asleep. But, what was amazing is when he woke up, he stood up out of pain. And so, it started this doc on this journey of discovering that if you put the body in certain positions, it takes you out of the pain pattern that you have. And, when the pattern is broken, your pain disappears but you become functional again. Well, he traveled around the world, taught this in Australia, Europe, and so forth. And, he had a young student who now it heads this group called Counterstrain. His name is Brian. He's just a genius of a guy. And, I got to tell you, the kind of quality of work they do now, they've learned to scan your head like you would, let's say, your feet to organs and Chinese medicine and so forth. And, the types of changes they can make and organ systems in your body are extraordinary. And, I put several examples in the book that would sound impossible. But, the type of healing that it creates amazing and it is painless. This is not some heavy-duty body therapy where you're scraping the body or doing something of that nature. It's literally just knowing how these patterns can be released in the body. And, I super highly recommend people to check it out.
Ben: Yeah. It's crazy. We're still discovering forms of therapy that work like this. I mean, my friend, Ben Patrick, the knees over toes guy, he's fixing people's knees right and left, doing all these new forms of physical therapy that are super-duper like stay on the slant board and do a squat. And, it's nuts. People just don't know. You got to know. You got to have a road map. You got to know which moves to do. And, once you do, it's amazing how much you can do without the stem cells and the injections, and some of the more fancy protocols. You don't necessarily have to start with biosplicing.
Tony: Yeah, exactly. That's my whole point. I divided the book, we divide it in five parts. The first part orients you to longevity, what's happening, how the body ages, how to shift it, stem cells. The second part is this hero's journey of five of these tools like Biosplice, the incision-less brain surgery for Parkinson's. Like somebody goes in and literally in 15 minutes maybe an hour to set it up, five, ten minutes to do the treatment. And, they walk out without the problem. It's mind-boggling. A person who had a 50-mile bike ride and they were taking 15 medications couldn't walk across the road. So, that's a chapter. CAR t-cells are a chapter. So, you learn the hero's journey, but you also learn what the tools are.
Then, the third section is all the things you can do with sleep, with your body, with your emotions, with your exercise, what are the best cutting-edge tools. Then the fourth section are the big six killers: heart disease, stroke, cancer, what to do, what's the leading components. And, the last part is I think the most important part. You do everything right with your body, but even if your mind and emotions straight, you make yourself sick and feel terrible. So, people can pick and choose the things that they really want. But, also if you look at it as like a guidebook for the next few years, you got somebody in your family who's got a problem, boom, you can go to that section and know the best of the best that's available today.
Ben: Yeah, yeah.
And, guys, I know we're running a little bit long in the tooth. But, there's a couple other things I wanted to ask you. So, we're going to go back to the fancy stuff. There's two different life-extension strategies that might seem a little out there but talking about some of this sexy stuff is interesting as well. So, as a life extension strategy, have either you guys done anything like the young blood transfer, or the therapeutic plasma exchange, or this kind of more fringe protocol of basically replacing your plasma, replacing your blood?
Peter: So, the therapeutic plasma exchange is something I'm looking into doing. And, we're developing, we both are, and we're developing an investigational new drug application. One of the things we're doing with Fountain Life for our members who want to have the edgier programs instead of running off outside the US to Mexico, or Costa Rica, or Panama to do it, we're working with the FDA to apply for what's called an IND, an Investigation New Drug, and then be able to do it under a protocol where you can be contributing to science at the same time that you get it. Besides the total plasma exchange, there are things like rapamycin and senolytic medicines like quercetin, dasatinib. And so, these are the sorts of things where there's a lot of hope, there's a lot of evidence, but the science isn't really buttoned up yet for it to go to the FDA for any kind of approval.
The young blood experiments, the parabiosis experiments, no, but both Tony and I are investors in a company that identified–this is out of Harvard's Amy Wagers lab. When you can connect the old circulatory system of an old mouse with the new mouse in this parabiosis, the old mouse gets younger and the young mouse gets older. And, when they looked at why, what they did was they found one particular growth factor called GDF11 that is changing over time. It goes down over time in the circulatory system as you age. And so, there's a whole program right now to develop GDF11.
Ben: Okay, interesting. Now, related to that, I know that one common thing that a lot of regenerative medicine docs are doing now is they're not replacing the blood, they're filtering the blood. You pull it out of one arm, you pass it typically through like ozone, UV, et cetera, then pass it back into the body. I've done that. I've done it–
Tony: I have as well.
Ben: It's on plasmapheresis. And, I've also done the 10-pass ozone. I think, that's a pretty reasonable halfway solution. I mean, I personally feel it's an oil filter change for the body.
Tony: I've done it as well. And also, there's some things we didn't put in the book just because they don't have enough proof yet. But, there's also VSELs, which you may have heard of.
Ben: Oh, yeah.
Tony: Yeah. So, they're circulating your body and they've not changed, they're in suspended animation, and they take them out, they treat them and put them back in. I've had that experience as well. And, they do studies using the, what do you call it, clock, methylation clock. And, possibly again, I haven't seen enough evidence, but I've done it myself is every time you treat it, you supposedly take three years off of your biological age.
Ben: Yeah, yeah. And so, I did it and I got the SpectraCell telomere analysis afterwards, which is it's not as good as the methylation clocks, but it's good for a telomere analysis. I had Dr. Halland Chen do that a few years ago in New York City and saw a significant decrease in the rate of telomere shortening from that VSEL injection. It was an IV. Yeah, it's fascinating. I'm actually going to go down to Park City Utah in March and see Harry Adelson who does the full body stem cell makeover thing. And, I think he does VSELs as part of that as well.
And then, one other kind of sexy thing I wanted to ask you guys about because this one I was scratching my head on when I read about it in the book. I thought, I don't know about this, but these remote-controlled microbots, smaller than a grain of rice that can travel through the body to deliver drugs. Well, I mean, a lot of the mark of the beast people taking over our bodies, folks, I'm sure are also raising an eyebrow at that. Would either of you guys actually inject nanobots into your body?
Peter: So, this is a technology out of Israel that's been developed and it's in testing right now. And, you can introduce these microbots. They're not nanobots, they are smaller than grain of rice, but you'll inject them into the spinal cord, into the spinal fluid, and then you steer them magnetically up into the base of the brain. And, the challenge with almost all brain surgery today or almost all cancer today, it's a very gross technique. You're poisoning the entire body with a chemotherapy or you're opening up and you're lopping out a piece of the brain. What these microbots are intended to do is be very precise, be able to enter through the ventricles of the brain, and be able to avoid any kind of neural damage. But, when they get to the point the target that you want, they can release a toxin or they can release certain antibodies. They have crossed the blood-brain barrier there. And then, you reverse the path and you extract it in the same part of the spinal canal that it went in. And so, I think this is very much where we're going.
Ray Kurzweil who wrote our introduction, my co-founder at Singularity University really talks about the future of nanobots and how nanobots are going to be one of the most critical parts of really re-completely rejuvenating the body, not by turning back the epigenetic clock, but eventually by being able to stitch together back the structures of the cells on a nanotechnology scale.
Tony: The answer to your question, Ben, is I'm not about to do that shit [01:20:13] _____.
Ben: I know, Well, what was the book I read back in the day? Hugh Howey's book “Silo” where the entire world's population live underground in silos because the military decided to release some nanobots. But, I do think in terms of targeted delivery and small molecule therapeutics with great precision, it shows a lot of promise. I'm not going to be the first person to sign up.
Tony: Yeah. It's where things are going. I don't know if I'd sign up yet for that, but you mentioned the military. I want to mention one other thing that people should know about. One of the biggest challenges is 22 veterans kill themselves in the United States every day. And, I've developed the skills obviously to help them. I had a gentleman that had 34 missions lost. I think 42 of his men, so severe, PTSD, came to one of my events, dark glasses, because the light can fire them off, night sweats at night, anything to trigger him. So, it took me about two hours to rewire him, take off the glasses, do the whole 9 yards. And, I brought him on CNN because I wanted people to see what's going on. And, the producer started to cry when she saw him because she saw the video of him before and then what he was like four months later, couldn't believe it. But, I could work 20 hours a day and not reach all 22 of these people. So, I kept looking for a scalable solution and the army has done a study for three years on this injection that takes away anxiety or PTSD. And, I've funded it for a hundred veterans and it's mind-boggling.
If you read the letters, it blows your mind. It's two injections and it basically interrupts the sympathetic system that's turned on that makes somebody go into PTSD out of control constantly, adrenalized reacting. So, the first guy ever funded, for example, I don't know these men and women, both, but they write me letters afterwards because I provided it for them. And, the first guy I'll never forget, he said, “Listen, I was on tour in Afghanistan, on tour in Iraq, I came home, I didn't know what to do, everything makes me react. The whole world is either black and white, or I'm enraged. I can't look at my children. I can't hug my wife.” He said, “There's just no color to life.” And, he said, “I attempted suicide twice.” And then, they told me about this scholarship and I thought, “Alright, I'll give it a shot.” He said, “Mr. Robbins, I just have to tell you.” Within 30 minutes after the shot, he said, “Life had color again.” He said, “I felt like I could breathe again.” He said, “I went home and hugged my children and wife for the first time since I've been home.” And, by the way, that was three years ago. The first time I funded this, now he wrote me a letter again about three months ago. He's helped get about a dozen other guys into the program and seen these transformations. So, people need to know that they have extreme anxiety.
And, by the way, some surfers that have had professional surfer, big wave surfers who can't get back on it, they can go do this injection like twice, it's week apart, and it completely resets the sympathetic system. So, I just want people to know on the psychological and emotional side, there are breakthroughs.
And then, one more, depression. There's more–
Ben: And, by the way, before you get into depression, I should note that that idea, a lot of doctors, they call it a stellate ganglion nerve block injection. It's acting on the vagus nerve. The same thing is when you do EMDR therapy or eye movement, desensitization, retraining, or vagal nerve, toning, chanting, singing, humming, et cetera. This is kind of top of the totem pole, even over and above these so-called vagal nerve stimulators. So, if anybody's wondering, if you feel good after you meditate, or after you do a sauna, or a cold plunge for your head, all of that's triggering vagus nerve. What this injection does is it basically takes that and just jumps straight to the chase and essentially reboots the whole computer.
Tony: It is extraordinary in its impact. And then, one more is right now, we just had more people dying of overdoses last year than any time in the history of United States. People in cooped up. Depression's gone through the roof. Suicidal thoughts are obviously gone crazy. And so, if you look at traditional therapy, the meta-studies, the group from Stanford approached me from their genetics lab, number one in the world, and they said, “Look, Tony, this is what we found. The meta-studies show that 40% of people get better, 60% do not after a year of therapy with drugs and therapy.” And, they said, “Of the 40% to get better, they get on average better 50%.” I mean, they're 50% less depressed. Now, some people actually get cured, but a lot of people don't. And, I said, “I was curious. What was the greatest breakthroughs were in this discussion?” They said, well, the greatest breakthrough happened about a year and a half ago. Johns Hopkins did a study where they used psilocybin basically magic mushrooms for a month with therapy, cognitive therapy, and it's the greatest breakthrough that they've ever seen in the history of depression. And, the study shows that 30 days later, 53% of the people had no symptoms of depression. There's nothing like it ever in history.
Well, the problem is psilocybin's not legal, so they're still working on that. But, they came to me because they said, “We've had a variety of people that we know who have made it to your programs, some of which we knew were clinically depressed they aren't anymore but know there's no scientific study to show this. Would you be interested in showing what that could be if we design the study? And, we'd like to copy the same exact style of study but you don't have to do drugs, you don't do 30 days of drugs, obviously. You don't do the 30 days of therapy. But, you [01:25:25] _____ seminar. This seminar where people change their beliefs and value systems consciously and cognitively. So, their perception and meaning of life changes basically. It's very powerful. I've done 88 of them over 35 years. And so, I said, “Well, I got plenty of people you can investigate.” They said, “Well, we'd love to just start with a fresh group.” So, they took clinically depressed people and about 19% were having suicidal thoughts, ideation. And, they put them in two different groups. The Stanford professors said, “Well, this Tony Robbins guy is just a bunch of positive thinking.” So, they said, “Well, what should we do with the control group?” They said, “Well, use positive psychology.” Do you know positive journaling? It's been proven psychologically to make a difference, but not a huge difference in depression. Well, 30 days later, the first few days or week, it starts to have an impact, then it gets old and not much impact.
The people that went to the six-day program with myself, the results were so intense that Dr. Gantz, the head of the study sent it out to be reviewed blind tested by another group, and then a second group because they just wanted to make sure this was absolutely real. 100% of the people were depression-free 30 days later. No drugs, no month worth of therapy, just people making the changes in themselves. So, there's a new study. One study they did was on my seminar, my weekend seminar showing 70% reduction in negative emotions, 53 in positive motions. It goes through much more detail than that. But then, they followed up 11 months later during the middle of the COVID piece, same numbers without another interaction for me because they made these shifts in their biochemistry. So, they did a study on how biochemically people change in the way that I do what I do, teach.
And so, now, there's a new study coming out. It'll be out, I believe, in three weeks at the Journal of Psychiatry that shows the results that they now are publishing. But, I want people to know there are real possibilities beyond drugs that you can make happen. And, you don't have to settle for this, you can learn to keep control of your thoughts. Because in the end, if you take control of your health but you don't take control of your mind and your emotions, you're going to have a rough ride in this life. Ultimate quality of your life is where you live emotionally. People have emotional habits and some people no matter what you do, they got a billion dollars but they're angry and frustrated. Well, then your life's angry and frustrated. Some people, in a place where they absolutely, they're the most beautiful family but they're worried all the time where their life is worried. So, there are real answers including on the emotional and psychological side not just the biochemical side or muscle side.
Ben: Yeah. Well, the only thing better than that, Tony, the only thing better than that is going to one of your seminars on shrooms, which is the next study.
So, anyways, guys. I know Peter's got to go soon and we're getting a little longer too. But, I'll tell you what. For the audience, all the shownotes, everything we've talked about, a link to the book, a link to all the fantastic studies, everything Tony and Peter are up to, you can find at BenGreenfieldFitness.com/LifeForce, it's the name of the book. BenGreenfieldFitness.com/LifeForce. Get this book, read it, maybe look up a Fountain Life center if you want to get into some of the advanced testing. I'm certainly going to look into that. And, these guys are on the cutting edge if you think that you know everything you need to know about regenerative medicine, you don't. This book goes deep. So, check it out.
Peter. Tony. thanks so much for coming on the show, guys.
Peter: Ben, amazing job. Thank you.
Tony: Really appreciate, Ben. Thank you.
Ben: Catch you on the flip side.
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Tony Robbins is an entrepreneur, #1 NY Times bestselling author, philanthropist, the nation’s #1 life & business strategist, and quite recently, the author of a new book (which I enjoyed immensely and learned a ton from) titled Life Force: How New Breakthroughs in Precision Medicine Can Transform the Quality of Your Life & Those You Love. which we dive into on this show.
He has empowered more than 50 million people from 100 countries around the world through his audio programs, educational videos, and live seminars. For more than four and a half decades, millions of people have enjoyed the warmth, humor, and transformational power of Tony’s business and personal development events.
Tony is the author of six international bestsellers, including the 2014 New York Times #1 financial bestseller, Money: Master the Game and Unshakeable: Your Financial Freedom Playbook (2017). His forthcoming book explores the latest breakthroughs in human health and longevity. Life Force: How New Breakthroughs in Precision Medicine Can Transform the Quality of Your Life and Those You Love releases in February 2022.
Tony is involved in more than 100 privately held businesses with combined sales exceeding $7 billion a year. He has been honored by Accenture as one of the “Top 50 Business Intellectuals in the World,” by Harvard Business Press as one of the “Top 200 Business Gurus,” and by American Express as one of the “Top Six Business Leaders in the World.” Fortune magazine’s cover article named him the “CEO Whisperer,” and he has been named in the Top 50 of Worth Magazine’s 100 most powerful people in global finance for three consecutive years.
Tony is a leader called upon by leaders. He has worked with four U.S. presidents, top entertainers—from Aerosmith to Green Day, Usher and Pitbull—and athletes and sports teams including tennis great Serena Williams, UFC champion Connor McGregor and the NBA’s Golden State Warriors. Business leaders and financial moguls from Salesforce.com founder Marc Benioff to Ray Dalio of Bridgewater Associates have tapped him for personal coaching.
Not only that, Tony Robbins is a leading philanthropist. Through his 1 Billion Meals Challenge in partnership with Feeding America, he's provided over 875 million meals in the last 7 years and he is ahead of schedule to provide 1 billion meals by 2025. Through the Tony Robbins Foundation, he has also awarded over 2,000 grants and other resources to health and human services organizations, implemented a life-changing curriculum in 1,700+ correctional facilities, and gathered thousands of young leaders from around the world with its youth programs.
Meet Peter Diamandis
Recently named by Fortune as one of the “World’s 50 Greatest Leaders,” Peter H. Diamandis is the founder and executive chairman of the XPRIZE Foundation, which leads the world in designing and operating large-scale incentive competitions. He is also the executive founder of Singularity University, a graduate-level Silicon Valley institution that counsels the world's leaders on exponentially growing technologies.
As an entrepreneur, Peter has started over 20 companies in the areas of longevity, space, venture capital, and education. He is co-founder of BOLD Capital Partners, a venture fund with $250M investing in exponential technologies, and co-founder and Vice Chairman of Celularity, Inc., a cellular therapeutics company. He is a New York Times Bestselling author of three books: Abundance: The Future Is Better Than You Think, BOLD: How to go Big, Create Wealth & Impact the World and The Future is Faster Than You Think.
Peter is described by many as “the best and most dynamic speaker in the industry.” Diamandis’ mission thru his keynotes and speaking engagements is to help his audiences understand the pace and implications of exponential technology, and how to drive innovation within their organizations.
During our discussion, you'll discover:
-How a debilitating snowboarding accident led Tony to the miracle of stem cell therapy…07:05
- PEMF therapy
- Last doc's prognosis, Extreme Spinal Stenosis – “Life as you know it is over.”
- Bob Hariri
- Proteostatic stem cell therapy (cord or placental)
-“Humanized pigs” and new tech called biosplicing that's changing the game in organ transplants…15:00
- Osman Kibar of Biosplice
- Martine Rothblatt, creator of SiriusXM Radio
- Daughter diagnosed with Pulmonary Arterial Hypertension. Started United Therapeutics:
- Developed a drug to cure her daughter's disease
- 3D printing organs using human connective tissue to create lung skeleton and then and putting it in a bath of stem cells to grow the lung
- Raising genetically altered pigs for transplant to humans
- Daughter diagnosed with Pulmonary Arterial Hypertension. Started United Therapeutics:
- Craig Venter
- Tony Atala
- Dean Kamen, inventor of the Segway
- Advanced Regenerative Manufacturing Institute
- Induced pluripotent stem cells
- 3D printed pediatric hearts
- First pig-to-human heart transplant: what can scientists learn?
- Martine Rothblatt built the first electric helicopter to transport organs for transplantation
-How biosplicing is changing cancer treatment and therapy…26:50
- Osman Kibar
- Wnt Pathway
- Similar results regardless of age
- Injectable on body parts, like knees; pill for cancer therapy
- Peptides and peptide bioregulators
- PT 141
- Dr. Khavinson
- MIB-626 NMN precursor
- DNA is above the genome; epigenome is the piano player
- Sirtuins play critical roles:
- Turn on and off genes
- Bring down inflammation
- Ensure NAD gets into the cell
- Cleans up DNA
- U.S. Special Operations Command to Test Anti-Aging Pill
- Studies on mice translated to success in humans
- Drastically improves cognitive performance
- Dr. Hector Lopez
- Life Force
-How Fountain Life is using Cleerly to help detect heart attacks before they even happen…47:33
- Fountain Life
- Early detection of heart attacks, cancer, Alzheimer's
- Grail test
- Most of the time, cancer is detected when already at stage 2 or 3, and as a result, roughly 80% of patients end up dying
- Don't freak out if you get a high calcium score
- Podcast on nerve hydrodissection with Matt cook:
- Fountain OS app
- Fountain Health insurance
-Combinostics testing for Alzheimer's…58:26
- Combinostics testing
- Dr. Rudy Tanzi discovered genes around Alzheimer's
- ISRIB (integrated stress response inhibitor), memory-enhancing drug developed at UCSF
- NeuroRacer game
- Adam Gazzaley
- Mei Mei Hu and Lou Reese of Vaxxinity; vaccines against Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, bone loss, and muscle loss
- Breaking Alzheimer's by Dr. Dayan Goodenowe
- Prodrome Sciences
-The unique form of physical therapy that allows Tony to live pain-free (no small feat given his exploits throughout the years)…1:06:10
-Counter strain therapy…1:10:48
- Podcast with Ben Patrick:
-Young blood transfers and therapeutic plasma exchange therapies discussed…1:14:16
- BGF podcasts on ozone therapy:
- Everything You Need To Know For Antivirus & Immune System Enhancement: A Special One-Two Podcast Episode With Dr. Matt Cook, Dr. Matt Dawson, & Dr. Michael Mallin.
- Is Radiation Actually Good For You? The Hormesis Effect, The Healing Power of Radioactive Stones, Ozone Therapy & Much More With Jane Goldberg.
- Kiss Gas & Bloating Goodbye With Dr. Cook: The Complete Done-For-You Guide To Eliminating SIBO Once & For All (Along With Sex, Trauma, PTSD, Ozone Dialysis & More!).
- Eastern Wisdom Meets Western Medicine: 10-Pass Ozone, Peptides, Blood Irradiation, Constitutional Assessments & Much More!
- Methylation Clock
- Dr. Halland Chen
- Podcast with Harry Adelson:
-Microbots that can be injected into the body to rewire the sympathetic nervous system and combat PTSD and depression…1:18:10
- Ray Kurzweil Predicts Three Technologies Will Define Our Future
- SGB: A possible breakthrough treatment for PTSD
- Changes the perception of the meaning of life
-And MUCH more!…
- Six Senses Retreat Portugal (March 7 – 11, 2022)
- Keep up on Ben's LIVE appearances by following bengreenfieldfitness.com/calendar
Resources from this episode:
- Life Force: How New Breakthroughs in Precision Medicine Can Transform the Quality of Your Life & Those You Love by Tony Robbins, Peter Diamandis and Robert Hariri
– Tony Robbins:
- Abundance: The Future Is Better Than You Think
- BOLD: How to go Big, Create Wealth & Impact the World
- The Future is Faster Than You Think.
- XPRIZE Foundation
- Singularity University
- Peter Diamandis twitter
– BGF Podcasts:
- Killing Mold & Mycotoxins For Good, The Craziest IVs You Can Get For Energy, Fixing Knees & Back Without Surgery & Much More With Dr. Matt Cook.
- How To Get Rid Of Knee Pain Forever, The Best Knee Rehab Exercises, The Ancient Chinese Technique To Keep Your Knees Young & More With Ben Patrick, The “Knees Over Toes Guy.”
- Everything You Need To Know For Antivirus & Immune System Enhancement: A Special One-Two Podcast Episode With Dr. Matt Cook, Dr. Matt Dawson, & Dr. Michael Mallin.
- Is Radiation Actually Good For You? The Hormesis Effect, The Healing Power of Radioactive Stones, Ozone Therapy & Much More With Jane Goldberg.
- Kiss Gas & Bloating Goodbye With Dr. Cook: The Complete Done-For-You Guide To Eliminating SIBO Once & For All (Along With Sex, Trauma, PTSD, Ozone Dialysis & More!).
- Eastern Wisdom Meets Western Medicine: 10-Pass Ozone, Peptides, Blood Irradiation, Constitutional Assessments & Much More!
- The Single, Most Comprehensive Stem Cell Procedure Known To Humankind: How A “Full Body Stem Cell & Exosome Makeover” Works.
– Other Resources:
- Bob Hariri
- Osman Kibar
- Martine Rothblatt
- Craig Venter
- Tony Atala
- Dean Kamen
- Dr. Hector Lopez
- Dr. Rudy Tanzi
- Adam Gazzaley
- Mei Mei Hu
- Lou Reese
- Dr. Halland Chen
- Pete Egoscue
- Ray Kurzweil
- Dr. Khavinson
- Life Force
- Fountain Life
- Fountain OS App
- Fountain Health Insurance
- SiriusXM Radio
- United Therapeutics
- Advanced Regenerative Manufacturing Institute
- Grail Test
- Prodrome Sciences
- Egoscue Method
- PEMF therapy
- Extreme Spinal Stenosis
- Cell and Gene Therapy for Spine Regeneration
- Induced Pluripotent Stem Cells and Their Potential for Basic and Clinical Sciences
- First Pig-To-Human Heart Transplant: What Can Scientists Learn?
- WNT Signal Transduction Pathways
- Therapeutic Potential Of NAD-Boosting Molecules: The In Vivo Evidence
- U.S. Special Operations Command to Test Anti-Aging Pill
- Memory-Enhancing Drug Acts as Molecular ‘Staple'
- NeuroRacer: A Video Game for the Elderly Brain
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“Bubbles” by River Greenfield: My 13-year-old son River Greenfield is an amazing artist, and for the past year, he has been creating an epic mural on his bedroom wall entitled “Bubbles.” On March 19th, any holder of any piece of this NFT collection gets to join in on a 1 hour online Zoom mural-painting instructional class with River Greenfield, not open to the public and only open to owners of a piece of the Bubbles NFT!