Ben Greenfield [00:00:00]: My name is Ben Greenfield, and on this episode of the Boundless Life podcast.

Leila Centner [00:00:04]: They were trying to figure out what the root cause of cancer is. Right. She had all this data. She was working with other amazing doctors with all this data. And you want to know the root cause? You probably know what the root cause is.

Ben Greenfield [00:00:15]: I mean, I'm going to say parasites, because that's what comes before parasites. Your toxin exposure, your toxic load.

Leila Centner [00:00:25]: Yes.

Ben Greenfield [00:00:25]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:00:26]: They figured out the root cause was the person's toxic load.

Ben Greenfield [00:00:31]: Wow. So what you're saying is by living clean, eating clean, moving, breathing, sweating, doing all these things, including charging the body up with light, with negative ions, with connection to the planet with the technologies that simulate that. One of the main things that people should take into consideration when questioning how much time and money they want to spend on this stuff is the efficacy with which it is preventing a debilitating disease in the future that your body creates. Because you eventually reach a state where it can't clean itself up.

Leila Centner [00:01:06]: 100%. You will get cancer eventually if you do not clean the toxic load.

Ben Greenfield [00:01:12]: Welcome to the Boundless Life with me, your host, Ben Greenfield. I'm a personal trainer, exercise physiologist, and nutritionist, and I'm passionate about helping you discover unparalleled levels of health, fitness, longevity, and beyond. All right, what you are about to see is a tour of a very cool biohacking facility in Miami, Florida, called Centner. You'll get to witness me showcasing and showing to you all of these cool machines while talking about how they work. And these are things that you can get for your own home, or you can visit a wellness center like this Center Place to try them out for yourself. And then I'm going to interview Leila Centner, who founded Centner Wellness, and dig into her backstory, which is just fascinating. So if you want all the show notes, go to BenGreenfieldLife.com/ Centner that's BenGreenfieldLife.com/C E N T N E R.

Leila Centner [00:02:14]: Welcome to Centner Wellness. We have the amazing Ben Greenfield here with us.

Ben Greenfield [00:02:19]: Smells good in here.

Leila Centner [00:02:20]: Yeah. Thank you. It's. Maybe it's her or me or the cookies. One of us.

Ben Greenfield [00:02:23]: Yeah. Well, I've heard about Centner for a while. I've never been here, so we're getting the tour. I was telling you when I got in, it's hard to find a place that's cooler than my basement, but so far, this is pretty cool. You got a lot of toys.

Leila Centner [00:02:35]: Wait till you see. Wait till you see. We're starting here in the Centner Cafe. Regenerate Cafe. I don't know if you know this, but we own a ranch, 800 acre ranch. And we have a 30 acre farm.

Ben Greenfield [00:02:47]: Wow.

Leila Centner [00:02:47]: And so of course, you know Centner Academy, which is my baby. Our schools, we feed our kids farm to table.

Ben Greenfield [00:02:53]: Amazing.

Leila Centner [00:02:53]: And so we have a gourmet kitchen over there with amazing chefs that feed our kids. And so right now, since this is our mini cafe, they're actually bringing food here.

Alyssa [00:03:04]: So many times people are like, oh, my fruits and vegetables are organic, but they're washing it in tap water or just filtered water.

Leila Centner [00:03:10]: So we wash everything in clean ozonated water. I'm going to give you a nice glass case.

Alyssa [00:03:16]: A lot of hydrogen water. So good to see his taste.

Ben Greenfield [00:03:18]: I drink hydrogen water. I drink well at my house. I drink the a Ophora oxygenated water.

Leila Centner [00:03:25]: Okay.

Ben Greenfield [00:03:25]: Under the sink unit that comes with the whole house unit is structured normally.

Leila Centner [00:03:30]: It's like.

Ben Greenfield [00:03:31]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:03:31]: Some bubbles.

Leila Centner [00:03:32]: Full of bubbles.

Ben Greenfield [00:03:32]: Yeah. When you pour a glass of water at my house, it's cloudy. You can't even see through it.

Leila Centner [00:03:36]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:03:36]: And then the oxygen eventually goes away. But it's so cool.

Leila Centner [00:03:38]: Let's continue the tour.

Ben Greenfield [00:03:39]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:03:40]: Can finish that or.

Ben Greenfield [00:03:41]: There's always cool things that I've never seen before.

Alyssa [00:03:44]: Okay, so we'll start in Alexandra's room. This is one of our treatment rooms. We have a lot of energy healers here that will do Reiki, Kundalini, somatic therapies.

Leila Centner [00:03:54]: So we're, we're mind, body and soul. So a lot of people, they're doing, you know, they have all the technology, but then they've got trauma blocks. And so the lady that we have here does amazing breath work. Amazing. My brother passed away a couple years ago and I laid down on this bed with her and within 90 minutes I just felt like peace.

Ben Greenfield [00:04:13]: Wow.

Alyssa [00:04:14]: Okay, so this is our InHarmony bed. It looks like a regular massage table, but if you put your hands on it, you can feel, Ben, that there's a certain frequency that's really calming.

Leila Centner [00:04:23]: We add a red light panel on top of it.

Ben Greenfield [00:04:26]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:04:27]: So you get the red light and the Inharmony at the same time.

Ben Greenfield [00:04:31]: Wow. Cool.

Alyssa [00:04:34]: All right. VEMI bed. Have you heard of VEMI?

Ben Greenfield [00:04:37]: This is like the pure wave frequencies in a bed.

Alyssa [00:04:39]: Yeah. So it's combined fiber, acoustic.

Ben Greenfield [00:04:42]: Okay.

Alyssa [00:04:43]: PEMF, infrared heat, and then it's a guided meditation experience for 30 or 60 minutes.

Ben Greenfield [00:04:48]: Oh my gosh. It's so cool.

Alyssa [00:04:49]: Delicious.

Leila Centner [00:04:51]: These are hydrogen showers. 5 ppm. I'll show you the system in the back. But this is a cold plunge. But we clean it with ozone and it's infused with oxygen therapy.

Ben Greenfield [00:05:02]: Oh, wow.

Leila Centner [00:05:03]: So this is not like a normal cold plunge. Actually, the standard, what it comes with is they infuse chlorine in it. So we rip that out and we put our pieces in there.

Leila Centner [00:05:13]: It feels totally different.

Ben Greenfield [00:05:14]: It doesn't take much convincing to give me to cold plunge.

Leila Centner [00:05:16]: We gotta get you that on video too. Especially this one. And then again, that's hydrogen shower, which I want you to take as well. When you take a shower, we can infuse it with essential nutrients.

Ben Greenfield [00:05:26]: Oh my gosh.

Leila Centner [00:05:27]: So each one, each one has a different combination. The essential nutrients. And then this is our steam shower. What people don't realize when they go into steam rooms, they don't realize they're full of mold. This is cleaned with ozone.

Ben Greenfield [00:05:39]: Full of mold. And you don't know if the water that you're breathing in has been filtered.

Leila Centner [00:05:42]: This is super duper filtered water. When I take you behind the scenes to see our filtration, it'll blow your mind.

Ben Greenfield [00:05:48]: Oh my gosh.

Leila Centner [00:05:48]: So this is the cleanest water you could possibly put in your body. And every day the ozone comes on that completely flushes it out. So you know, this beauty.

Ben Greenfield [00:05:57]: Oh, this, this thing is incredible. Probably one of my favorite.

Leila Centner [00:06:00]: You know John's Mitozen spray, right?

Ben Greenfield [00:06:03]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:06:03]: So my favorite thing to do is to spray John's spray right before I lay down into this.

Alyssa [00:06:09]: They drop new settings. So there used to be different guided experiences. Now it's 15, 25 or 50. My favorite one is Envision. I'm doing a 30 day protocol, testing it out and the only thing you miss. So it's PMF, PF, Molecular Hydrogen, Vibroacoustic Red Light Therapy, ozone. So this is one of the best ones because you can stack so many things in a frame.

Ben Greenfield [00:06:33]: That's what I like. Like when it comes to time hacking, why not do as much as possible?

Leila Centner [00:06:36]: This is the best. I tell people this is the Ferrari of biohacking tools. Like, I wish I could take this to trade shows, but I don't want to ever move it because I don't want anything to break. And have you used this?

Ben Greenfield [00:06:47]: No.

Leila Centner [00:06:47]: Okay. You have to try it before you leave.

Ben Greenfield [00:06:49]: Oh, yeah, I have in London. I try to like a workout in it.

Alyssa [00:06:53]: The InfraSlim. European based company. So you put on like a tutu looking apparatus that you put on an ultra G. You get nice and sucked in. You're bicycling with Red Light therapy, infrared heat aromatherapy. There's a vacuum technology that helps with lymphatic drainage, and then there's oxygen here. All while you want to Netflix and chill, you want to handle some emails, whatever you want to do. All stacked.

Ben Greenfield [00:07:18]: So cool. Yeah, I know some people are probably wondering, as we go through here, do you have to be a doctor to own this stuff? But a lot of this stuff, it still is direct to consumer 100. Obviously, you know, people from all over the world will be watching. You might not be able to come into Centner, but still are just like, hey, I want one of these for my house. So you. You can buy this stuff?

Leila Centner [00:07:34]: Of course you can. Yes.

Alyssa [00:07:35]: You can come shopping here. Look and see what you like.

Leila Centner [00:07:37]: Have you tried this?

Ben Greenfield [00:07:38]: No.

Leila Centner [00:07:39]: This is amazing.

Ben Greenfield [00:07:40]: Do you, like, lay your back over it?

Alyssa [00:07:41]: Or you can do your back, your feet, your abs, anything that you would, let's say, with a traditional foam roller.

Ben Greenfield [00:07:46]: What is this one called?

Alyssa [00:07:48]: It's called Roll Shape.

Leila Centner [00:07:49]: Cool.

Ben Greenfield [00:07:51]: That is a great idea.

Leila Centner [00:07:52]: It's turning on, and it's heat, too. And you can also follow a workout routine on this, too.

Alyssa [00:07:58]: So you can sit on it first. Yeah, that's what I recommend.

Ben Greenfield [00:08:00]: Like, facing this way.

Alyssa [00:08:01]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:08:02]: Okay. Wow.

Leila Centner [00:08:03]: And then it shows you how many calories you're burning.

Ben Greenfield [00:08:05]: Just do the podcast on this.

Leila Centner [00:08:06]: Yes.

Ben Greenfield [00:08:07]: Yes. That is super cool. I mean, just in the hamstrings alone. Wow.

Alyssa [00:08:12]: You can even sit back on this to get your calves.

Ben Greenfield [00:08:15]: What's that?

Alyssa [00:08:17]: Oh, yeah. If you dunk back more and there's a chair behind you. If you reach, you'll find.

Ben Greenfield [00:08:21]: You'll feel it. Try the back first. Oh, wow. Holy cow.

Leila Centner [00:08:31]: Goes deep, right?

Ben Greenfield [00:08:33]: Yeah. Oh, it goes super deep. This is no joke.

Leila Centner [00:08:37]: This may be what you're missing at your house.

Ben Greenfield [00:08:39]: This might be. Do they. Do they make many of these? Can people, like, go, go to a, like a website and get them?

Alyssa [00:08:49]: And then after a couple minutes, it'll. It warms up a little bit more. So it's just starting right now.

Leila Centner [00:08:54]: Yeah. Then you'll feel the heat.

Ben Greenfield [00:08:56]: Yeah. And is the heat infrared or infrared heat? Wow.

Leila Centner [00:09:01]: And you can change directions, too.

Alyssa [00:09:03]: Hold on. It's gonna go now.

Ben Greenfield [00:09:06]: Oh, yeah.

Leila Centner [00:09:07]: That's a fun one.

Ben Greenfield [00:09:09]: Never seen one of those before.

Leila Centner [00:09:10]: You heard it here, friends. There's something here he's never seen before. This is our Mitozen section that we are constantly running out on because everybody loves their stuff.

Ben Greenfield [00:09:21]: All the goodies.

Leila Centner [00:09:21]: Yeah. You have no idea how much of these Zen sprays we buy. Really like that they're gone. We have some people come in here and order like 10 of them. It's crazy. Yeah. And then of course, you know, we're all about parasite cleanses. And I don't know if you know Dr.

Leila Centner [00:09:37]: Group, but he's got fantastic supplements. He actually, if you don't know him, you should meet him. He in his facility where he manufactures these.

Ben Greenfield [00:09:44]: Wow.

Leila Centner [00:09:45]: He's amazing.

Alyssa [00:09:45]: His Oxy-Powder is no joke, though. It's ozonated magnesium oxide. So if you're feeling bloated or a little clogged up.

Leila Centner [00:09:52]: Oh, yeah.

Alyssa [00:09:52]: It's like a liquid colonic is how I would equate it.

Ben Greenfield [00:09:55]: That's interesting.

Leila Centner [00:09:56]: Yeah, it's fantastic. What we do here is we focus on first, the cell membrane. Yeah, we do PCs too. We're actually working. We're doing. Working directly with Dr. Patricia Kane.

Ben Greenfield [00:10:07]: Oh, amazing.

Alyssa [00:10:07]: The OG.

Ben Greenfield [00:10:08]: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Alyssa [00:10:10]: Okay. So this is our little gym area. I'm sure you're familiar with Carol.

Ben Greenfield [00:10:14]: Yep.

Alyssa [00:10:15]: That's where you know about Power Plate.

Ben Greenfield [00:10:18]: Both the ARX models. Awesome.

Alyssa [00:10:21]: They both the ARX Power Plate, Juvent plate and OxeFit, which is kind of like a tonal ensemble.

Leila Centner [00:10:26]: Steroids.

Alyssa [00:10:27]: It's like 40 square foot gym. And then we have the OG, which shows like the force plates. I hate traditional cables at a gym because they have to rest and then have to change. And everything here is super adaptive and to get kind of results in a fraction of the time.

Ben Greenfield [00:10:41]: Super cool.

Leila Centner [00:10:42]: And Alyssa is an amazing trainer.

Alyssa [00:10:44]: Thank you.

Leila Centner [00:10:46]: You probably don't know this. We should put them on it for a second. You want to take your phone out of your pocket?

Alyssa [00:10:51]: So this is ZPPIS Zero Point Plasma. I'm going to fix it because you're tall. Zero Point Plasma Ion Suite. Okay. So give me one second. Ben.

Ben Greenfield [00:11:02]: Good.

Alyssa [00:11:03]: You're gonna feel a negative ion shower on your head.

Ben Greenfield [00:11:08]: I feel that.

Alyssa [00:11:09]: So you're sitting on what's called a Grounding Mat. You can either be barefoot with your feet or you can be sitting on it.

Ben Greenfield [00:11:14]: Wow.

Alyssa [00:11:14]: You know, the body is constantly in excess of positive ions, so this rainfall is really helping offset that.

Ben Greenfield [00:11:21]: Yeah. Being underneath the waterfall without getting wet, literally.

Alyssa [00:11:26]: And you feel so euphoric. Acoustic life wave, which is a rife machine on steroids. Upwards of 1.5 million Hertz for different plasma tubes. They're strategically placed 180 degrees from one another, which creates zero point energy in quantum physics. So that's that kind of minimal amount of energy for just kind of optimization.

Ben Greenfield [00:11:47]: Is this kind of similar to the Biocharger this? What did you call it again?

Leila Centner [00:11:54]: No, totally. It's like a Rife machine where you basically are getting the different frequencies all in one. So when you sit here, we have people sit here for 45 minutes max. You know the Flowpresso?

Ben Greenfield [00:12:03]: Lymph action. Yeah, Lymph action.

Alyssa [00:12:06]: Infrared heat.

Ben Greenfield [00:12:07]: Yep, yep. So this will, for people watching, this will kind of like pump lymph fluid based on compression. It's like, like you wear those compression boots, except this is full body of pumps as you wear it.

Leila Centner [00:12:19]: And heat too. This has heat.

Ben Greenfield [00:12:20]: Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Leila Centner [00:12:21]: And then we'll stack it with the red light.

Ben Greenfield [00:12:23]: Awesome.

Leila Centner [00:12:23]: And then we'll stack it again with acoustic light.

Ben Greenfield [00:12:26]: Yeah, I love how you're. You're thinking of getting as much.

Alyssa [00:12:29]: And we'll bring molecular hydrogen through your nose and then BrainTap for your eyes.

Ben Greenfield [00:12:33]: Yeah. Wow.

Leila Centner [00:12:34]: So they BrainTap hydrogen at the same time. As much as we can fit into one. We do it.

Ben Greenfield [00:12:38]: Yeah. Wow. Even more of the scalar.

Alyssa [00:12:41]: So this is our 24 unit room. So we have a Radio Frequency Foot Ionic Bath. 30 minutes by increasing your body's internal temperature by just 1 degree, really strengthens your immune system. I'll be on this for 30 minutes. I will be dripping in sweat and my mind is blown. This thing is no joke.

Ben Greenfield [00:13:00]: All through the feet.

Alyssa [00:13:01]: All through the feet. The meridians of the feet is how it starts.

Ben Greenfield [00:13:05]: IHHT Intermittent Hypoxic Hyperoxic Training. So you put a mask on and alternates between hypoxia and hyperoxia, along with a fingertip pulse oxygenation sensor which allows it to adjust if necessary on the fly. So you get a lot of the effects of like altitude training or the hyperoxic effects of, say like a Hyperbaric chamber by simply laying back and using something like this. And there's a newer company sell it? Yeah. The other one is Cellgym, but this one is supposed to be pretty cool. So there's three different ways to get oxygen into the body. Exercise, Oxygen Therapy, Intermittent Hyperoxic Hypoxic Training, or Exercise With Oxygen Training. And that's the IHHT.

Alyssa [00:13:47]: This thing had a wait list, Leila. For how long? Like a year. No one can get their hands on this.

Ben Greenfield [00:13:52]: Wow. And so the unit is not just designed to wear goggles with. I'm assuming you can do it. Cannula. And what kind of water is it again?

Alyssa [00:14:00]: It's polarized. I've drank in the water and it was like it was strong. I only drank very little and it's more concentrated so you don't have to drink the eight to ten cups a day.

Ben Greenfield [00:14:09]: Wow.

Alyssa [00:14:10]: But it feels like a little mist for your eyes is high interest rate.

Leila Centner [00:14:13]: It wow.

Alyssa [00:14:15]: Okay, so this is one of our treatment rooms. So right behind me you're going to see NeoGen. So a lot of people do chemical peels, lasers, which are really harsh on the dermis. And it really just does the outer layer of the skin sometimes a little deeper. So neogen is a plasma based treatment. It emits a plasma thermal heat that goes into the entire dermis and you can see results from anywhere from 12 to 24 months. It's about an hour treatment. I do no numbing.

Alyssa [00:14:41]: I just, you just have to hydrate really well so it can penetrate deep. So again, instead of doing fillers neurotoxin or doing these harsh peels or laser based treatments, Layla kind of searched all over to see what's the most optimal to really look. The way you feel after doing all these treatments, you're going to feel younger, but you want to look younger too.

Ben Greenfield [00:15:01]: Yeah. And this one's called Nitrogen Plasma technology. And is it like a, do you wear it or is it an actual treatment?

Alyssa [00:15:07]: You lay down as a treatment? Yeah. NeoGen Skin Plasma skin regeneration.

Ben Greenfield [00:15:11]: Okay. Yeah. So kind of similar concept to someone doing like micro needling or something like that.

Alyssa [00:15:17]: We have that too. We have a SkinPen. We have everything.

Ben Greenfield [00:15:19]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:15:19]: The way the representative explained it best is when you get laser, it's burning off the surface that the layers of your skin.

Ben Greenfield [00:15:27]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:15:27]: But this is actually healing you from the inside out. So it's pushing out the dead layers instead of burning it off.

David Centner [00:15:33]: Yeah.

Alyssa [00:15:34]: Wow.

Dr. Rocco [00:15:34]: Weber laser.

Dr. Rocco [00:15:35]: So it's super awesome. You're going to get an IV intravenous. The fiber optic cable is going to go right into the vein.

Ben Greenfield [00:15:42]: Yep.

Dr. Rocco [00:15:42]: Then you're going to get all the colors of the rainbow.

Ben Greenfield [00:15:43]: It freaks a lot of people out. Freaks a lot of people out. It's no different than getting an IV.

Dr. Rocco [00:15:47]: No, it's. It's the exact same thing.

Ben Greenfield [00:15:49]: But what's going to happen is the.

Dr. Rocco [00:15:51]: Mitochondria is the buzzword now for everybody. Everybody wants to talk about mitochondrial health and that's why everybody does a red light therapy. The part most people are missing is that your mitochondria actually has antennas for every light in the spectrum. So it's going to attract the yellow, the green, the blue, all these other red light or all the other lights.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:08]: Right. Right.

Dr. Rocco [00:16:09]: Instead of just the red light feeding the mitochondria and the processes inside the cell.

Dr. Rocco [00:16:11]: Even better.

Leila Centner [00:16:12]: You know how people like to do Methylene Blue and then the red light bed. Well, Methylene Blue and then the red light Weber is like the light on steroids because it's going directly into your veins.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:24]: Yeah.

Dr. Rocco [00:16:24]: You can do copper. You can do rob.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:25]: Like, you go. Yeah, you can do all the things. Anything you could activate with light. Yeah, great idea.

Leila Centner [00:16:30]: Curcumin to reduce inflammation. And then you do this. It's insane.

Alyssa [00:16:34]: All right, so over here we have the Biodensity.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:37]: Oh, yeah, yeah, I know this one.

Alyssa [00:16:39]: Okay. I figured you knew it.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:40]: A little bit. A little bit like the. Like the Osteo. It's called the OsteoStrong. Yeah, yeah, Isometric.

Leila Centner [00:16:45]: That's it.

Alyssa [00:16:46]: I like stacking the Power Plate then using this.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:49]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the Power Plate has some good data on it for bone density also.

Alyssa [00:16:53]: Absolutely.

Ben Greenfield [00:16:53]: That's great.

Leila Centner [00:16:54]: And this is. These are some pictures of the NeoGen.

Alyssa [00:16:56]: There's a better one right here. I'll grab, just so he can see it. Like, look at these people. Before and after.

Ben Greenfield [00:17:04]: Wow.

Alyssa [00:17:05]: Before and after.

Ben Greenfield [00:17:07]: I want people watching my podcast to see this. Wow. So it's the NeoGen. I'm assuming that is not something people can just, like, buy for their homes. The NeoGen. They probably could.

Alyssa [00:17:17]: I guess you probably could, but I really.

Ben Greenfield [00:17:19]: But you still. It's not one of those things you can do on your own. You still need somebody to be like.

Alyssa [00:17:23]: Yeah. And you only need a couple treatments, so you're better off going to a place like this and getting it done and then getting it done every couple years. Because you're just trying to combat age.

Ben Greenfield [00:17:31]: Yeah. Wow, cool.

Leila Centner [00:17:34]: So this is, of course, you know, single person Hyperbaric. We have a double person Hyperbaric there. But what's a little bit unique here is we've got this five person with Rife frequency in it. So you can sit five people in here and you can select whatever frequency you want.

Ben Greenfield [00:17:55]: Wow. Maybe there's some books.

Leila Centner [00:17:57]: And then you. And then you select. It's not on yet, but you'll select what. Rife frequency you want.

Ben Greenfield [00:18:01]: Cool.

Alyssa [00:18:04]: So you get a pick, Ben. One ideally from each category. If a category doesn't apply to you, then you can pick like two from a different one.

Ben Greenfield [00:18:12]: Oh.

Alyssa [00:18:13]: So you pick three at a time.

Ben Greenfield [00:18:15]: Physical, like insomnia, chronic pain, headaches, anxiety, sexual dysfunction, male sexual dysfunction, female, add, adhd. Wow.

Alyssa [00:18:27]: So it's anything. Let's say if you have any kind of trouble areas or if you want enhancements, you want things to complement one another. So you may not have troubles with sexual dysfunction, but let's say you want it enhanced. You would pick that one. Then you may want something that would be complementary to that. So maybe euphoria and maybe hormone balance. So every experience, I always encourage people, if you want to optimize something or if there's an area you want to work on that you can pick either one from each category, or you can pick a couple from the emotional or the physical.

David Centner [00:18:55]: I suffer from euphoria.

Alyssa [00:18:59]: It's hard. So which ones do you want today? Which ones do you want today, David? I notice if there's nothing applies to this, then you can pick from this area and this area. That's what I typically do.

Ben Greenfield [00:19:12]: Just close your eyes and point. And God will choose what struggles you have right now.

Alyssa [00:19:14]: What does God want today?

David Centner [00:19:17]: Memory enhancement.

Alyssa [00:19:18]: I like that one.

David Centner [00:19:20]: And when I was joking, we should do that.

David Centner [00:19:23]: I want more euphoria.

Alyssa [00:19:24]: Absolutely. And what do you want more of or less of?

David Centner [00:19:28]: Oh.

Alyssa [00:19:32]: Good.

David Centner [00:19:32]: In all these categories, actually.

Alyssa [00:19:34]: But you can have something further enhanced, reduce stress. Okay, let's do that. Perfect. All right, so you're gonna lay down. I'm gonna get you all set up. There's so many different modalities at play in the theta chamber. So it's gonna be. Let me get this up for your knees, David, and lift up, please.

Alyssa [00:19:49]: So it's gonna feel like you're floating, kind of like a float deporation tank. There's also going to be spinning. It spins the same frequency that the earth travels around the sun. Everything is caught with entrainment. So you have electrical stimulation on the ears, you have sound therapy on the ears, and you have light therapy on the eyes is all white light wavelengths. So what's crazy for people is like they'll say, I see squares, I see rectangles. I feel like I see different colors and it's all white light. So they've done different protocols.

Alyssa [00:20:20]: The company recommends that people can do a 30 day protocol to truly help if they have any kinds of PTSD, anxiety, depression. These are your earrings.

Ben Greenfield [00:20:29]: It does PEMF, too.

Alyssa [00:20:30]: PEMF, that's a new addition for this to the first version. Did not. So again, you're getting grounding. Electrical stimulation on the ears. Sound therapy on the ears. Let me go here, David. And it's a 30 minute experience, but it feels like you're only in it for a couple minutes if you really do drop into theta. So then there's different customizations.

Alyssa [00:20:52]: So typically it's saved for each user, I'm gonna just make sure that David's good with everything. David. I'm gonna hit start and just let me know how it is. All right, so enjoy your experience. Little spin. The first few spins you'll feel. And then you kind of just drop into theta. You don't feel the spinning.

Alyssa [00:21:09]: The rest of the experience.

Ben Greenfield [00:21:10]: Wow. It's crazy that you don't spin.

Alyssa [00:21:13]: It's gonna start in a second. And now it goes. It's crazy. And at the very end when you come out, you're like, I had to.

Ben Greenfield [00:21:19]: Measure this room before you put this in here, huh? Oh, yeah.

Alyssa [00:21:22]: Initially, this is going to be a 12 person Hyperbaric chamber. It's going to be connected.

Leila Centner [00:21:26]: Wow.

Alyssa [00:21:26]: And then we. This became so popular that she bought another one. And then the 12 person Hyperbaric wasn't really super cool. Yeah. So he'll be in here for 30 minutes. He'll wake up and have one of the best power naps of his life.

Ben Greenfield [00:21:42]: Oh, my gosh. I totally want to try that.

Alyssa [00:21:45]: You'll have to try that.

Ben Greenfield [00:21:45]: I have to try that. All right. I hope you enjoyed that tour of Centner Wellness. Some very cool machines. I see a lot of stuff, and I hadn't seen a lot of these before, so I'm now going to interview Leila Centner. So you, if you watched the past half hour or so of this show, have just seen all these cool, sexy, sometimes never before seen, even never before seen by me, which is saying a lot, I think, because I don't have a life and all I do is play around with biohacks, biohacking technologies and health technologies and beauty technologies here at Centner, even baked empanadas, which Leila just got done cleaning off my. Off my lips. So all this stuff here.

Ben Greenfield [00:22:37]: And obviously it takes a unique mind, maybe even a little bit of a weird mind to actually get into even wanting to get a massive facility. Facility and put all this stuff here in the first place. So what even got you interested in the idea of having rooms full of spinning things with people inside of them?

Leila Centner [00:22:56]: Well, first of all, Ben, thank you so much for being here. It's just a pleasure to have you and the king of biohacking here at Centner Wellness.

Ben Greenfield [00:23:04]: I don't know about that. I mean, well, yeah, I would. I would say maybe the. Maybe the, the Duke or something like that. And you're definitely the queen, so.

Leila Centner [00:23:13]: OG OG So it was an honor just to show you around and let you play with our toys. So a little over four years ago, I was diagnosed with Lyme disease. And later I learned that I had been living in a house filled with mold.

Ben Greenfield [00:23:30]: And when you say you were diagnosed with Lyme disease, I'm assuming that leading up to that point, you knew something was wrong.

Leila Centner [00:23:37]: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a pivotal moment in my life where I just couldn't remember anything. And I had this bionic memory that I could remember everything. In fact, it would drive my husband crazy because I just wouldn't forget anything.

Ben Greenfield [00:23:52]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:23:53]: You know how that is as a husband. You know, sometimes you want your wife to forget things.

Ben Greenfield [00:23:56]: The pot of coffee that he let get cold five and a half years ago. Yeah. Yep.

Leila Centner [00:24:02]: So I just remember sitting there crying, thinking, not only have I been hiding from you, but I've been hiding from myself. I've been trying to hide from all these issues that I've been having and that I realized, all right, I just need to dig in like I do with everything. I mean, it's just kind of my nature is to want to problem solve.

Ben Greenfield [00:24:23]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:24:23]: To be a critical thinker and to not just do what someone tells me, but to really figure it out. And I had been a antibiotic baby. I don't know if you know who those are, but those kids, I'm assuming.

Ben Greenfield [00:24:37]: It's a baby who gets a lot of antibiotics.

Leila Centner [00:24:39]: So many. I mean, my mom was a nurse. She didn't know any better. The doctor she worked for, you know, every time I would be sick, he would give me antibiotics.

Ben Greenfield [00:24:48]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:24:49]: Give me penicillin shots.

Ben Greenfield [00:24:51]: I remember the days I died. My pediatrician, Craig, he was a super sweet guy, but every time we went into the doctor, it was like, you just gotta take this antibiotic, you know, Very similar to how it seems like every two weeks I had what my parents would sometimes refer to as stomach flu, but I was drinking a gallon of 2% milk from Albertsons every day. And I didn't find out until I was like, 27 that I'm lactose intolerant. So I would just be, like, wrecked a few times a week from the gut and on antibiotics.

Leila Centner [00:25:19]: Well, I had constant infected throat. Constantly. My throat was infected. And I was also not tolerant to dairy. And I was drinking a ton of dairy because you remember in school there was a food pyramid make strong, you know, and so.

Ben Greenfield [00:25:36]: And don't get me wrong, I love, like, kefir.

Leila Centner [00:25:39]: Like, I'm all about raw. I do. Raw milk.

Ben Greenfield [00:25:41]: Fermented dairy, I'm fine with, but if you give me some Ben and Jerry's, it's gonna be a bad day?

Leila Centner [00:25:46]: No, I'm. I'm all into the raw milk now. It's A2. Incredible.

Ben Greenfield [00:25:50]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:25:51]: So as I transitioned to be an adult in my 20s, what did I do? I'd go to the doctor's office because I was sick every month and I'd say, can I have my new Z-Pak because I'm sick again.

Ben Greenfield [00:26:03]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:26:04]: And then it wasn't until I was about 30 years old that I realized, wait a minute, I think it's the antibiotics that's causing the problem. So I did a lot of research, got myself off any antibiotics, and just went cold turkey. I still would get sick all the time because at that time, I didn't know how to boost my immune system and do all these things.

Ben Greenfield [00:26:23]: Rebuild your gut flora.

Leila Centner [00:26:24]: I didn't know any of that. I was.

Ben Greenfield [00:26:26]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:26:26]: Totally raw to all this. So when I was officially diagnosed, I was pretty lucky that off the bat, I went to a functional medicine doctor who specialized in Lyme. So, yeah, so I got lucky because.

Ben Greenfield [00:26:40]: Like, randomly picked this person and found out?

Leila Centner [00:26:41]: Later. You know, Dr. Amen?

Ben Greenfield [00:26:43]: Yeah. So I. Daniel Amen. The brain.

Leila Centner [00:26:45]: Daniel Amen. So I went to his clinics to do the brain scans to figure out, like, why is it I'm not remembering anything? Spec scan, and how come I'm falling asleep every day at 7:00 at night and I wake up exhausted. So he connected me with his functional medicine doctor who happened to be a specialist in Lyme, and she's like, look, before we even get your labs back, I have a feeling you have Lyme.

Ben Greenfield [00:27:07]: Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

Leila Centner [00:27:09]: So based on your symptoms. Based on my symptoms, Yeah. I mean, I would literally. I was slurring. I was. I couldn't remember words.

Ben Greenfield [00:27:18]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:27:19]: I was, like, talking, but thinking about the word I'm trying to bring into the sentence. I graduated magna cum laude when I was in high school. Like, that wasn't a thing for me.

Ben Greenfield [00:27:28]: Right.

Leila Centner [00:27:28]: I was a fast talker, fast thinker, and a super strong memory. So I'm like, I gotta get this back at all costs. And that's. That began my journey, really, traveling all over the world. I went to Spain, I went to lime Mexico. I went to many, many places in the US and each place I would see a gem here, a gem there. And then finally, when I was able to put the pieces together, I said, I don't want anybody to have to fly all around the world to get treatment. Let me just put it all in one place.

Leila Centner [00:27:57]: And I'm using it for myself as well. And let's just be a great one stop shop.

Ben Greenfield [00:28:03]: Were you like a hiker or a hunter or spent a lot of time in the forest getting tick bites or do you know how you got Lyme in the first place?

Leila Centner [00:28:09]: So we have a home in Long Island.

Ben Greenfield [00:28:11]: Okay. Which is like northeast deer tick.

Leila Centner [00:28:15]: Oh, yeah, yeah. We have a whole couple of deer families that live on our property.

Ben Greenfield [00:28:21]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:28:21]: And it's a large estate that's all trees and I mean, it's beautiful. But I remember the day, 2013, that I saw the tick on me.

Ben Greenfield [00:28:31]: Oh.

Leila Centner [00:28:31]: So you know, I saw.

Ben Greenfield [00:28:33]: Yeah. Did, did it make the. The ring, do you remember?

Leila Centner [00:28:37]: It probably did. But again, I was so.

Ben Greenfield [00:28:40]: Wouldn't have registered at that point.

Leila Centner [00:28:41]: I was so in the matrix with everything that I just took the tick and threw it away and went on my day. Yeah, I didn't do anything.

Ben Greenfield [00:28:48]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:28:48]: I didn't even think to do anything.

Ben Greenfield [00:28:50]: So there's so many things that people saw in the video walkthrough. And by the way, on my end, I'm gonna put this video @BenGreenfieldLife.com/centner you spell Leila's Academy. C E N T N E R. Yeah. Centner. And so if you want to see the video, go there or check out YouTube. But there's so many different technologies that I just wonder how you find this stuff. Because you said you discovered some of these things in your quest to heal yourself and obviously you brought them back here.

Ben Greenfield [00:29:23]: But what's it look like? Are you going to health conferences and expos or are you just having people send you stuff?

Leila Centner [00:29:30]: I research online. I figure out, for example, the EBO2 that you saw, I had really, really massive brain fog from mold. And it took me three years to figure out that I had mold. And I did six treatments at a center in Boca. And after the six treatments, I was like, this is a must have in my center.

Ben Greenfield [00:29:50]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:29:50]: And I don't know if you've, if you know this, but we've tested the contents of what comes out of the jar and the filter and there's like 100 different toxins that come out. It's incredible.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:02]: So you can take that blood. I'm assuming you'll what's a popular environmental toxins like a, The Vibrant. Doctor's data is a doctor's data.

Leila Centner [00:30:10]: We use the Vibrant test because it's not, it's not blood. It's actually a liquid that comes out in there.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:15]: Yeah, the Vibrant, that's the Zoomer?

Leila Centner [00:30:17]: The environmental.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:19]: Yeah. The environmental toxins.

Leila Centner [00:30:20]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:21]: So you'll take the blood that someone's had pulled out as a part of the filtration process.

Leila Centner [00:30:25]: Yeah. But it's not blood that's in there.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:27]: The.

Leila Centner [00:30:28]: A lot of times it even looks like urine. It's yellow. For most people.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:31]: Yeah. What do you. What do you call that. That collection of fluids? Pla. You don't call plasma.

Leila Centner [00:30:35]: No. What is it called?

Ben Greenfield [00:30:36]: More than that. It's just filtrate particulates. Waste. I don't. I don't know.

Leila Centner [00:30:41]: It's just the waste. I mean. Yeah, we've sound.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:43]: But you're able to test it.

Leila Centner [00:30:44]: Yeah, we've tested it. PFSAs, Alumina, Forever Chemicals. Yes. Yes.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:51]: And all that is getting pulled out and not going back into the body.

Leila Centner [00:30:55]: Yeah, it's getting pulled out.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:56]: What about micro.

Leila Centner [00:30:57]: And it continues to get pulled out in your urine.

Ben Greenfield [00:30:59]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:31:00]: Microplastics come out. Have you found microplastics BPAs? Yes. Yes. It's incredible.

Ben Greenfield [00:31:05]: Wow. Because, you know, those are. Those are very difficult to sweat out. Most of them.

Leila Centner [00:31:09]: Yes.

Ben Greenfield [00:31:09]: The ones that are more than 100nm in size, which is a lot of them.

Leila Centner [00:31:13]: No, it's. It's incredible. When we saw what actually is coming and for everybody is different. That's what's cool about it.

Ben Greenfield [00:31:19]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:31:20]: Is when, you know. Because we have different people that test and we've had biohackers that have tested. If you come tomorrow and you do it, we have to test yours. Because we test super healthy people.

Ben Greenfield [00:31:31]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:31:31]: And you get crazy stuff.

Ben Greenfield [00:31:32]: I'd be curious because I just got back from Tijuana a couple months ago. Have you heard about that one?

Leila Centner [00:31:36]: No.

Ben Greenfield [00:31:36]: Okay. So in Tijuana now, you can go across the border and do Seraph filter.

Leila Centner [00:31:42]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:31:43]: Which was really originally designed to address Covid spike proteins and cleans the blood. Yeah. And it's a pretty thorough cleanup. I mean, it's five hours a day, two to three days in a row with the catheter coming out of your neck, which is super weird and uncomfortable. Oh, my God. And it's pulling all the blood out.

Leila Centner [00:32:01]: Filtering after you did that.

Ben Greenfield [00:32:03]: I didn't do it because I had any issues, Knock on wood. Like, I'm a pretty healthy guy. Like, I feel great. Like, 90% of the time. I knew about the filter, and a lot of what I do is just like a stint in immersive journalism. I wanted to try it. I had some clients who wanted to try it, but I wanted to kind of vet this company first. And make sure it wasn't some, you know, Tijuana or something like that.

Ben Greenfield [00:32:25]: Because my original memories of Tijuana is like donkeys and ping pong balls. Yes, Tequila. So I did that whole filtration process and that one is supposed to be. Along with. There's. There's no one called Marker that's supposed to be really good at doing whole blood filtration.

Leila Centner [00:32:43]: That one's supposed to.

Ben Greenfield [00:32:43]: But the EBOO really, really less expensive.

Leila Centner [00:32:47]: But that's supposed to get really like five hours. Small, Small particulates.

Ben Greenfield [00:32:52]: Yeah, exactly.

Leila Centner [00:32:52]: And it's supposed to help people who have like stage 4 cancer completely reverse it.

Ben Greenfield [00:32:56]: Sorry. Yeah. Not any really long term human clinical studies on that, but yes, a lot of anecdotal and n equals 1. And you know, some. Some of these claims about a lot of these filters, you don't know how many people did it with no effect. And all you hear about are the stories of the people who actually got good effect. Like you always have to look at these things skeptically. But it is very interesting what they.

Ben Greenfield [00:33:20]: If you look at the data on the Serif website, we can put in the show notes. What they're actually pulling out of blood is pretty impressive.

Leila Centner [00:33:26]: So we should. We should do an EBOO and test yours just to see. I'm sure yours is probably a lot less, but it would still be very interesting to see what comes out. Because the way the EBOO works is it's also stimulating your mitochondria so it's not just filtering the blood. Like there are things that are happening that's not necessarily happening with just filtering the blood.

Ben Greenfield [00:33:45]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:33:46]: Plus you have the light machine. You have all sorts of things that are like pulling things out from a deep.

Ben Greenfield [00:33:51]: You mean when you're doing the EBOO, you're running what people saw that little laser machine that the Weber. So you're using the frequency frequencies as well.

Leila Centner [00:33:58]: Yep.

Ben Greenfield [00:33:58]: But it's Weber.

Leila Centner [00:33:59]: Well, it's attached to the EBOO. So the EBO2 has a light machine attached inside.

Ben Greenfield [00:34:04]: Okay. Yeah, yeah, I have heard. You and I both spoke at a conference. This was the first time we met a couple years ago with Dr. John Lieurance in Sarasota. And you talked a lot about parasites.

Leila Centner [00:34:18]: Yes.

Ben Greenfield [00:34:19]: That's obviously different than Lyme. Is that because you also had some kind of a parasite issue?

Leila Centner [00:34:24]: It's all connected. First of all, we all have parasites. Everybody has parasites, especially anybody that has cats or dogs. Like literally, you can get parasites even if you're a vegetarian. Right. So in the 1800s, late 1800s, it was very normal to continuously do parasite cleanses. Normal. It wasn't until the early 1900s that Rockefeller came in and made it look like witchcraft.

Leila Centner [00:34:48]: And they basically brainwashed everybody into medical school to think that parasites you could only get if you were in a third world country. So what does that mean?

Ben Greenfield [00:34:57]: Surely there was some kind of a financial 100% stimulus.

Leila Centner [00:35:01]: Yes, think about it. If you do parasite cleanses, Dr. Hulda Clark wrote books in the late 1800s. Her books are amazing. You have to buy one of them just to read. Dr. Hulda Clark.

Ben Greenfield [00:35:12]: Hulda Clark, okay.

Leila Centner [00:35:13]: Her books are all about the root cause of cancer. Starts with parasites. And parasites come because your terrain is a disaster, meaning you're full of toxins. Then the parasites come to clean up the toxins, and then the parasites create such havoc which leads to cancer.

Ben Greenfield [00:35:31]: So if parasites clean up toxins, would there be a beneficial effect of parasites as well?

Leila Centner [00:35:37]: No, because they're also doing a lot of damage. They're eating up all your nutrients, causing a lot of havoc.

Ben Greenfield [00:35:43]: Okay, so what you're saying is the hypothesis here is that the insides are garbage from, let's say, a toxic lifestyle. Microplastics, pollutants. I don't know what it would have been back in the 1800s. What would it have been?

Leila Centner [00:35:54]: Oh, the sanitary system was a mess.

Ben Greenfield [00:35:57]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:35:58]: So people were probably were dying from different bacterias. I mean, it was just, it was constant.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:02]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:36:03]: And their immune systems, maybe not super.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:04]: Clean meat and produce and things like that as well. Imagine.

Leila Centner [00:36:07]: And the water, drinking dirty water.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:10]: So you're saying that parasites almost act as a little bit of a human bioremediant to where they. If they're in your gastrointestinal tract, is it just the GI tract or is it the rest of the.

Leila Centner [00:36:21]: It's everywhere. Especially because everyone has leaky gut now.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:24]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:36:25]: Especially because of glyphosate, which tears up your gut and it seeps.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:28]: When you hear about people seeing like parasites in their eyes or something like that. Yes.

Leila Centner [00:36:31]: Yeah, Your eyes, your brain, everywhere.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:34]: So these parasites are cleaning stuff up.

Leila Centner [00:36:37]: I want to rewind one second.

Ben Greenfield [00:36:38]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:36:39]: Why is it that the medical world doesn't want you to do parasite cleanses? It's cheap, it's easy, it's simple. And you can get healthy relatively quickly versus if you ignore it, then it turns into. What does Dr. Hulda Clark say? Cancer, which is a very lucrative industry.

Ben Greenfield [00:37:00]: How is it that parasites cleaning up garbage would cause cancer? Meaning like if you look at. What's the guy who's put forth the metabolic theory of cancer? Thomas Siegfried. This idea that cancer thrives in an anaerobic environment where there's lots of lactic acid, there's poor mitochondrial health, thus poor fatty acid oxidation, Oxidation, increased metabolism of sugar, low amount of oxygen, et cetera. That's a state in which cancer can thrive. And he presents very good data for this theory. I'm assuming that there must be some way in which the parasites are creating an oxygen poor acidic environment.

Leila Centner [00:37:42]: Exactly. The parasites are creating the environment. Like if you read. I wish I brought her book. Literally, there is a chart in there that points out to every parasite and how it contributes to specific cancers. I mean, she literally had.

Ben Greenfield [00:37:58]: You mean like different parasite responsible for different cancers.

Leila Centner [00:38:00]: Yes, yes, yes. And so she would bring in her clients, her patients, and she would do all these different tests. And so she has five books that have case studies, case study after case study after case study. And she was focused on parasites, and people were calling her a quack, telling her she's crazy. Meanwhile, she's literally healing people with cancer by cleaning up their terrain. So her focus was the terrain.

Ben Greenfield [00:38:27]: So this is more than just preventive, you're saying someone who has cancer and also has parasites. If you address the parasites, you have seen anecdotal cases of cancer remission.

Leila Centner [00:38:41]: So have you seen the Joe Rogan podcast where he had Mel Gibson on it? No, you didn't see that one. It was very interesting. He talks about Mel Gibson, talks about a few of his friends who had stage four cancer who did Ivermectin and Fenben.

Ben Greenfield [00:38:55]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:38:55]: And were completely reversed. What is Ivermectin and Fenben?

Ben Greenfield [00:38:59]: They're anti parasitic antifungals.

Leila Centner [00:39:02]: Exactly.

Ben Greenfield [00:39:03]: So they're not having an effect on some type of cancer cell autophagy like say, chemotherapy would. The reason that those would theoretically be working for cancer is because of their anti parasitic activity.

Leila Centner [00:39:19]: Yeah, they're cleaning up parasites.

Ben Greenfield [00:39:21]: Huh?

Leila Centner [00:39:22]: Now, what we do here at Centner Wellness is we focus on the cell membrane first before the cell membrane and the lymphatic system.

Ben Greenfield [00:39:29]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:39:29]: Because if you're toxic and you just go and start killing parasites when they die, they drop the toxic load that they've been eating into your body.

Ben Greenfield [00:39:38]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:39:38]: Which could cause a major herx reaction.

Ben Greenfield [00:39:41]: This sounds a little bit like heavy metals. Like if you just take a bunch of heavy metal, what do you call them? Like detoxification agents for the liver, like Chlorella or. What would be another example?

Leila Centner [00:39:54]: Clay.

Ben Greenfield [00:39:55]: Well, clay would be the bond. But you take that stuff and don't take a binder, it'll wind up going to other parts of the body.

Leila Centner [00:40:00]: Exactly. If you just jump into killing parasites, you're going to cause a serious Herxheimer reaction, which is what happened to me when I first started, because I didn't know. So I did a lot of things trying to figure out how to do. And I just, I, I saw worms this big coming out of me, so I was in like kill mode.

Ben Greenfield [00:40:18]: Like in your poop?

Leila Centner [00:40:19]: Yeah. When I was, I was doing water enemas and coffee enemas so you could literally see them in the toilet.

Ben Greenfield [00:40:27]: What do you think about people who say they're just like threads of mucus parasites?

Leila Centner [00:40:31]: No, no, that's, that's not true. I mean, they've been proven. You can test them. The thing is. Well, the thing is there are different tests that you can do. Like 3-day stool test.

Ben Greenfield [00:40:41]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:40:42]: Where it has all done that. Yeah. And it, most of the time it comes back as negative.

Ben Greenfield [00:40:47]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:40:47]: Because the parasites are holding on to your liver, they're holding on to your different organs. They're literally buried, burrowed inside your body. So by the time it, it comes out in your poop, like, I mean, it's usually not going to come out in your poop until it's dead. So I don't even understand how some of these tests, like I've ran these tests and they show nothing, but I can see the liver flukes in the toilet.

Ben Greenfield [00:41:11]: What do you think would happen if you took something like, like a biofilm disruptor for like a couple of weeks before you did a test like that? Just, just to make sure we don't get too inside baseball for people watching, like the environment the parasites hide in. That Leila was referring to is this biofilm the same thing that'll get built up around a fungal infection. And so if you can break down the biofilm and then take something that moves that through the intestines, you would theoretically more easily see it in a stool analysis. With the biofilm disruptor being like proteolytic enzymes, serrapeptase, a lot of things people take for sort.

Leila Centner [00:41:49]: I haven't tried that. Yeah, I haven't tried that. But I'll tell you, we have a great PDF that we got from RogersHood.

Ben Greenfield [00:41:55]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:41:56]: I don't know if you've heard of the RogersHood parasite protocol, but it's pretty amazing. And so she's put together this PDF that basically shows all these different parasites and pictures. So you can, you know, I tell people you can become your own poop investigator. When you're in the toilet with a shish kebab stick, like swishing things around, you can see what's coming out of you.

Ben Greenfield [00:42:18]: People just do that.

Leila Centner [00:42:19]: People are curious, like, what is it? Because you can't necessarily send in your poop and they're going to come back with this is what that is.

Ben Greenfield [00:42:26]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:42:27]: But there's like this underground world of all these different parasite places where people are sending in their parasites and they are coming back and saying, yeah, this is what that is. So then she put together a whole PDF that shows this is tapeworm, this is liver flukes, this is that, this. And there's a whole like one of.

Ben Greenfield [00:42:44]: Those biology books where it's like a, you know, like a super clean, like microscopic analysis of a fluke. Or this, like actual pictures of like people's poop where.

Leila Centner [00:42:53]: No, it was a little relatable.

Ben Greenfield [00:42:55]: Understandable.

Leila Centner [00:42:55]: Yeah, it's like pulled out so you can actually see it. I'm going to give it to you. You should have a copy of these. They're amazing. And so like I would see all these liver flukes coming out of me, but when I do the 3-day stool test, I don't show anything.

Ben Greenfield [00:43:07]: Is a liver fluke just a type of parasite?

Leila Centner [00:43:09]: It's a type of parasite.

Ben Greenfield [00:43:09]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:43:10]: And they're very common, unfortunately.

Ben Greenfield [00:43:11]: Sounds gross. Like, what is a Liver Fluke?

Leila Centner [00:43:14]: My 5 year old, when she was 5 at the time, because of mold, she had huge worms. Again, this big, coming out of her little body, little tiny body. She had massive, massive stomach pains. Nobody could help me, nobody could figure it out. Until one day I read something somewhere and I'm like, all right, we're going to do a water enema. And just. It blew my mind what was coming out of her.

Ben Greenfield [00:43:35]: What's a water enema?

Leila Centner [00:43:36]: It's distilled water in it. Like an enema bucket?

Ben Greenfield [00:43:40]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:43:40]: And you just put the water in the tush.

Ben Greenfield [00:43:42]: So like a coffee enema, but using distilled water.

Leila Centner [00:43:45]: Distilled water, yeah. Especially for the little ones.

Ben Greenfield [00:43:47]: Just because you didn't want, like give her something caffeinated.

Leila Centner [00:43:49]: I started with her with water just to like see how her body does and just to get her used to it. And then I evolved to coffee. Okay, I don't need to do it anymore because she's fine. But it literally got rid of her stomach pain. She had massive stomach pains. And I had another friend, same thing. Her daughter had the exact same thing. And the doctor's office wanted to do a biopsy.

Leila Centner [00:44:10]: And I'm like, do not do a biopsy. Just do this same thing. Within a week of water enemas, pain gone. Saw worms in the toilet.

Ben Greenfield [00:44:18]: Wow.

Leila Centner [00:44:18]: And never felt better since. Of course, she did some of the other protocols. But it's incredible just getting them out of the colon, how you can feel immediately better.

Ben Greenfield [00:44:29]: I think the number one piece of pushback that I already know people are gonna say. So let's just. Let's. Let's steel, man. This is. Well, if they got a water enema, what if their pain was because they were constipated and it cleaned them out? And the parasites was a bunch of mucus that you saw from the colon after they got cleaned out.

Leila Centner [00:44:50]: You know what we should do? We should post a few of the videos of the worms.

Ben Greenfield [00:44:54]: Oh, you got it.

Leila Centner [00:44:54]: I have them.

Ben Greenfield [00:44:55]: Oh. But let's put them in the show notes.

Leila Centner [00:44:56]: We could let our viewers.

Ben Greenfield [00:44:58]: Do they, like, move and stuff?

Leila Centner [00:44:59]: No, but they look like worms. They do not look like. Okay, I know what plaque mucoid looks like. It does not look like it.

Ben Greenfield [00:45:05]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:45:06]: And she had a healthy. She was moving fine. These things get literally stuck in your colon.

Ben Greenfield [00:45:11]: How do you get rid of them?

Leila Centner [00:45:13]: You got to do all parasite cleanses. We're big into fixing the cell membrane first, Right? So we do.

Ben Greenfield [00:45:19]: We were talking about the PC oils, phosphatidylcholine. Yeah, we mentioned that in the video, I think, as we were walking around. So this would be. You can take those orally, but you can also take phosphatidylcholine as a super effective cell membrane repair formula, if you want to call that intravenously.

Leila Centner [00:45:37]: Yes. And that's what we do here. And I love it. It's completely transformed. It was the missing link, the missing piece that I needed, because the amount of. So if you think about it. So I tell people. Have you done a Fatty Acid Test? Kennedy Krieger.

Ben Greenfield [00:45:52]: Like an Omega Test?

Leila Centner [00:45:54]: It's called a Fatty Acid Test.

Ben Greenfield [00:45:56]: What is it?

Leila Centner [00:45:56]: It literally shows you everything about your cell membrane. Your fatty acid composition, Peroxisomal Respiration. Have you heard of that?

Ben Greenfield [00:46:07]: No.

Leila Centner [00:46:08]: PR index?

Ben Greenfield [00:46:09]: No.

Leila Centner [00:46:09]: The PR index actually shows you how your cells are detoxing.

Ben Greenfield [00:46:14]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:46:15]: It's something that people don't talk about. I'm like, how is it that nobody in the biohacking world is talking about this?

Ben Greenfield [00:46:22]: Peroxisome. What's the R?

Leila Centner [00:46:24]: Respiration.

Ben Greenfield [00:46:25]: Peroxisome Respiration. So I'm assuming peroxisomes being a metabolic byproduct of toxin elimination or something.

Leila Centner [00:46:36]: So basically, the way she explained to me, it's the health of your cell.

Alyssa [00:46:39]: It's.

Leila Centner [00:46:39]: It's your cell's ability to detox.

Ben Greenfield [00:46:41]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:46:42]: When we tested mine, I was a 412, which is ridiculously high. Ridiculously high. I focused on the oils for the first 90 days, and I retested it 90 days later, and I went from a 412 to a 95.

Ben Greenfield [00:46:57]: So a higher score would mean there's more crap in your cells. That is not detoxing.

Leila Centner [00:47:00]: You're not detoxing.

Ben Greenfield [00:47:01]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:47:01]: Right. So then get this.

Ben Greenfield [00:47:03]: Just like, blood test.

Leila Centner [00:47:05]: It is a blood test. Yes. Which if you're here tomorrow, I would love to do on you because you will get an analysis like you've never seen before.

Ben Greenfield [00:47:12]: Interesting.

Leila Centner [00:47:13]: You've never seen before. For. It took me four years to find this, and I'm like, what? Actually, Dr. Mike Hyman just wrote a great article on it, which we should also post in the show notes.

Ben Greenfield [00:47:22]: Okay. On the. On the Peroxisome.

Leila Centner [00:47:24]: On the. On the PC oils.

Ben Greenfield [00:47:26]: Oh, on the PC.

Leila Centner [00:47:27]: Because he's doing them.

Ben Greenfield [00:47:28]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:47:28]: He's been doing them for 30 years.

Ben Greenfield [00:47:30]: Wow.

Leila Centner [00:47:30]: And his article just explains it so well.

Ben Greenfield [00:47:32]: Is it on his website?

Leila Centner [00:47:33]: It is, but I'll send you the link..

Ben Greenfield [00:47:34]: So we can put it in the show notes.

Leila Centner [00:47:38]: So 90 days later, I took it, and I also did something different. I did the Vibrant urine analysis right before I started, and I did it again 90 days later. Here's what's fascinating.

Ben Greenfield [00:47:51]: How Vibrant is the environmental toxins.

Leila Centner [00:47:53]: The environmental toxins, the mycotoxins and the heavy metals.

Ben Greenfield [00:47:57]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:47:59]: When I saw my results, it looks like everything's green, right? Ah, you're fine. Normal place would say you're fine. When I retested it 90 days later, because now my cells are detoxing. Half the pages were red.

Ben Greenfield [00:48:15]: Oh, wow.

Leila Centner [00:48:16]: Half the pages were red because now my body's not holding onto it anymore.

Ben Greenfield [00:48:20]: So the long story short here is that, you know, similar to how a stool panel may not show a parasite because the parasite is hidden in something like biofilm. If you're looking at cellular toxins, then sometimes until you actually do something that will cause them to be released, you're not seeing those on a test.

Leila Centner [00:48:40]: Exactly.

Ben Greenfield [00:48:40]: Interesting.

Leila Centner [00:48:41]: So what happens when someone does a DMPS chelation? Right. So we'll do a DMPS chelation here to see really what the heavy metal count is in someone's body.

Ben Greenfield [00:48:53]: Some people might not know what DMPS chelation.

Leila Centner [00:48:55]: You want to explain it?

Ben Greenfield [00:48:56]: No.

Leila Centner [00:48:56]: No. Okay.

Ben Greenfield [00:48:57]: Because you're going to do a way better job than me.

Leila Centner [00:48:59]: Okay. I probably won't do it.

Ben Greenfield [00:49:00]: Basically. Basically, you're. You're binding certain compounds, I think, in this case metals.

Leila Centner [00:49:06]: Right, yes.

Ben Greenfield [00:49:07]: To then allow them to be excreted for the purposes of testing metals in the body.

Leila Centner [00:49:13]: Exactly.

Ben Greenfield [00:49:13]: Yeah. Which can be dangerous if you're not ensuring that they're pulled out and. And instead redistributed.

Leila Centner [00:49:19]: Exactly, yeah. Yes. So. So for when you do that, you can. So if you do a regular urine test, you are not going to show anything, but if you do something like that, you'll show what's in there because it's pulling it out. Right, Right. But you don't want to be doing chelations to get these metals out. What you want to do is you want to fix the cell membrane.

Leila Centner [00:49:42]: So your cells are doing what God wanted, what God intended, which was to be detoxing on your own. And then, of course, you can do the infrared sauna. You can do all these beautiful things that we have here that will be enhanced.

Ben Greenfield [00:49:55]: Right.

Leila Centner [00:49:55]: Because your cells are already working properly.

Ben Greenfield [00:49:57]: Right. An occasional chelation for an intense detoxification would probably make sense. But this is the idea behind every time that you go to the bathroom in the morning to poop, you shouldn't do or have to do a coffee enema. Right.

Leila Centner [00:50:08]: Like, exactly.

Ben Greenfield [00:50:09]: Unless there's some serious issue going on, you should ensure that your pelvic musculature, your diet, et cetera, is supporting the natural bowel processes with occasional things like enemas and colonics.

Leila Centner [00:50:20]: And we had somebody here a couple weeks ago with massive mercury poisoning, so we needed to, like, bring down that load fast. We couldn't wait to fix the cell membrane.

Ben Greenfield [00:50:30]: Lucky sushi lover.

Leila Centner [00:50:31]: You know, so there are people that will need, like a quick DMPS with the right support around it.

Ben Greenfield [00:50:37]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:50:38]: Which is fine. You know, and there are some people that finish the PC protocol and they do still need to get, have some chelation, and that's fine as well, because everybody's toxic load is different.

Ben Greenfield [00:50:47]: Right.

Leila Centner [00:50:47]: But if we can strengthen the cell membrane and have it do what it needs to do, then game over.

Ben Greenfield [00:50:53]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:50:54]: So now, after the 90 days, I merged into doing the PC oils, which is the IV straight into your arm.

Ben Greenfield [00:50:59]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:50:59]: Phenomenal game changer. You do these oils and literally you're bouncing off the walls.

Ben Greenfield [00:51:04]: Wow.

Leila Centner [00:51:05]: So I.

Ben Greenfield [00:51:06]: Are these PC oils something someone administers orally?

Leila Centner [00:51:09]: No, this is the IV.

Ben Greenfield [00:51:10]: Oh, this is the IV. Okay.

Leila Centner [00:51:11]: I started with the supplements.

Ben Greenfield [00:51:12]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:51:13]: And then I merged into doing the IVs.

Ben Greenfield [00:51:15]: Wow.

Leila Centner [00:51:15]: And they're amazing.

Ben Greenfield [00:51:16]: Now, a lot of people have done, like, I don't like NAD IVs. And you're there for three or four hours. You know, Myers cocktail is like, super fast. 45 minutes. How long do these take?

Leila Centner [00:51:26]: It depends. The formula, because everybody's formula is going to be different and it's going to be based on their lab.

Ben Greenfield [00:51:31]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:51:31]: And so the one that. The particular one I do, it takes about three hours only because I have one cocktail first. Before the oils.

Ben Greenfield [00:51:41]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:51:41]: And then after the oils, we do the Weber laser on me.

Ben Greenfield [00:51:44]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:51:44]: And I do the full spectrum.

Ben Greenfield [00:51:46]: Okay.

Leila Centner [00:51:46]: So it's incredible, though. Yeah, it's really incredible.

Ben Greenfield [00:51:50]: Wow. So are you pretty much, like, after all of that, this whole journey that you've had, from Lyme to parasites to all these different biohacks, do you find that you're pretty clean now, or are you still fighting this battle?

Leila Centner [00:52:03]: It's not that I'm fighting this battle. I still. So I was a toxic mess. My gut from the antibiotics, a disaster. I had breast implants that I had removed. My BPA levels in my body were a 40.

Ben Greenfield [00:52:18]: From. From the. From implants.

Leila Centner [00:52:20]: From the implants. I still have the implants that I let people smell it. They smell like plastic that was in my body for 20 years.

Ben Greenfield [00:52:27]: Just random parties at your house. You pull out the breast implants.

Leila Centner [00:52:30]: I do. I do. I am a little crazy like that. Yes, I do. I throw it at people. Yeah. It's fun, though.

Ben Greenfield [00:52:36]: So these implants with this back. Because there's a new. Isn't there a new material they're using in implants now? And a certain material that they were using a while ago that's now outlawed. I forget the whole scenario.

Leila Centner [00:52:49]: Silicone, saline. Yeah, it's all garbage. Yeah, it's all garbage. Okay, so.

Ben Greenfield [00:52:53]: And whatever they're using now for implants is still an issue.

Leila Centner [00:52:57]: The problem is, this is what people have to think about. It's a foreign substance in your body. And what does your body do when there's something foreign in it? It attacks it.

Ben Greenfield [00:53:08]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:53:09]: So 24 7, your body is trying to fight this invader. And they're fighting and they're fighting and they're weakening. Your immune system is weaker and weaker because it's. You have soldiers 24 7.

Ben Greenfield [00:53:22]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:53:22]: It's like a war that doesn't end. So when you remove the implants, besides the fact that you're removing the toxins, you're telling the body you can breathe now, the invaders are gone.

Ben Greenfield [00:53:34]: Huh? Do you think people get like a knee replacement or hip replacement, have the same issues with like a sympathetic nervous system response.

Leila Centner [00:53:41]: That's a good question. I don't know about knee. I just know that there are a lot of metals that they put in people's body and it's, you know, it also causes problems, you know, even titanium implants.

Ben Greenfield [00:53:51]: I used to be in surgical hip and knee cells. When I first got out of college. I was like my job for a very short period of time.

Leila Centner [00:53:56]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [00:53:57]: I realized that I didn't, didn't like that job much and didn't really like being in a hospital all the time. But yeah, after having observed literally probably 200 different hip and knee surgeries, you got to wonder like if the body has some kind of a sympathetic nervous system response or some type of static absorption from implants. You know, there's got to be a little bit of that effect with hips and knees as well.

Leila Centner [00:54:20]: I mean, it.

Ben Greenfield [00:54:21]: Who knows what Neuralink's gonna do?

Leila Centner [00:54:22]: It probably has to be, I mean, you know, even with Botox and fillers. Right. So I stopped doing that stuff six years ago and now I just do the plasma.

Ben Greenfield [00:54:32]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:54:32]: So we take it from my own body and inject it into my face.

Ben Greenfield [00:54:36]: Yeah. What was that machine called?

Leila Centner [00:54:37]: So we have the PRGF, the Plasma Rich Growth Factors.

Ben Greenfield [00:54:41]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:54:41]: So it's getting like the best part of the plasma injected.

Ben Greenfield [00:54:45]: That was the one that was in the same room as the, what's it called? The NeoGen.

Leila Centner [00:54:49]: Yeah, the NeoGen. Yeah, the NeoGen, yeah. So, you know, you can, you know, we all want to look beautiful. We all want to do things on the outside, not just the inside, but let's just do it a safer and a healthier way. And had I known what I know today, I would have never done fillers. I would have never done Botox.

Ben Greenfield [00:55:03]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:55:04]: You know, you don't have to to these days. In fact, you can even inject your own stem cells in your face.

Ben Greenfield [00:55:09]: Yeah. Behind the scenes, do you here at Centner or your academy or school, which I've heard fantastic things about, pay attention to the things going on behind the scenes environmentally. Meaning like the air filtration units or the water that people are getting in, the coffee that they're making in the Cat Cafe or like the, the lighting or you know, how much WIFI, Like that's one thing. And I asked that because it seems like a lot of times there's like little bits of low hanging fruit and there's a bunch of expensive pieces of equipment, but they're not In a super healthy environment. Does that make sense?

Leila Centner [00:55:48]: So, like, at our school, I was able to build one of my buildings from ground up. So I used a healthy home specialist who basically like a building biologist, just. Yeah, yeah. So I've got EMF protection, paint on the walls.

Ben Greenfield [00:56:02]: Oh, amazing.

Leila Centner [00:56:03]: The five. The. You can't get any 5G into that building at all. I've got EMF protection on the floors.

Ben Greenfield [00:56:09]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [00:56:10]: I've got 5G protection on the windows. I have special water filtration systems at every one of my water spots.

Ben Greenfield [00:56:19]: And our lucky little radio frequency deprived children.

Leila Centner [00:56:22]: Yeah, yeah. And. And the WI fi is in the hallways, so it's not in their classrooms. Over their heads, you know. You know, people don't like it because they can't use their phone in my building. But yeah, you know, I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm here to protect the kids, not so you can have cell phones.

Ben Greenfield [00:56:36]: I get that at my house too. I'm like, here's your ethernet to USBC or lightning adapter. Here's the WIFI cable plug in.

Leila Centner [00:56:42]: Yeah, exactly. So it's. It's cool, but it's cool to have to be able to have built it from scratch. In fact, the, you know, I don't know if you saw me, the media beat me up a few years ago because I didn't want my teachers to get the COVID shot. I don't know, you're not familiar with that.

News [00:57:03]: A Miami charter school that made national headlines for its controversial vaccine policies is.

News [00:57:06]: Back in the news again. The COVID vaccine controversy still simmering at.

News [00:57:11]: A south Florida private school, just absolute quacks. So I filed an amendment that basically prohibits any business doing, you know, in the state of Florida from doing that.

News [00:57:21]: A new controversy at Centner Academy, the private school near Miami's pricey design district.

News [00:57:26]: Which made headlines last spring for a.

News [00:57:28]: Controversial email warning staff from getting a COVID 19 vaccine now in the spotlight again.

News [00:57:33]: And here we go again. They are now asking students that if they get vaccinated to stay home. You. We have one of the most powerful tools in our arsenal to protect ourselves and get out of this problem. And they are discouraging the use of it. It's tragic. Leadership at the Centner Academy in Miami called the COVID-19 vaccine an experimental injection. Centner Academy here in Miami has used false claims to ask people in their school to hold off from getting vaccinated.

News [00:58:11]: The author has a very primitive understanding of what a vaccine is. She called it an experiment, took issue with the fact that at the time.

News [00:58:23]: What is going on, and this has.

News [00:58:25]: To do with the school in Miami. This story has taken off across the country.

News [00:58:28]: As Keith said, networks are picking it up.

News [00:58:30]: It's coming across all over.

News [00:58:32]: The White House is responding to the school's controversial stance on vaccines.

News [00:58:35]: You've seen this report about a private.

News [00:58:37]: School in Miami that's telling its staff.

News [00:58:40]: And teachers not to get the COVID vaccine.

News [00:58:42]: Now they are telling vaccinated students to stay home.

News [00:58:46]: It's absolute lunacy, and it goes against everything that's, that's well understood and well accepted in the scientific community.

News [00:58:53]: Our objective is continuing to convey that it's important. Important to abide by public health guidelines.

News [00:58:59]: That they're in place for a reason.

News [00:59:01]: An educational institution. It's even more misleading.

News [00:59:05]: False. False.

News [00:59:06]: I'll say it again. That is false. There is no credible study out there that indicates that the COVID 19 vaccine will in any way lead to any sort of transmission.

News [00:59:17]: That's not written by anyone who has. Any understanding of the science. The science, the science, the science.

Leila Centner [00:59:19]: They made fun of me for putting 5G protection in my windows.

Ben Greenfield [00:59:29]: Oh, you mean like shielding, like shielded windows?

Leila Centner [00:59:31]: Yeah. They thought, like, this crazy lady, why is she protecting her kids from 5G, you know?

Ben Greenfield [00:59:36]: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I live out in the middle of nowhere in north Idaho. My building biologist, Brian Hoyer, was at my house a week and a half ago, and he's testing the house and after we built it just to kind of make sure everything was good to go. And one thing he found was we were in the bedroom, and he pulls out his meter for cell towers, and he's like, you guys are basically being blasted by that cell tower right here while you're laying in bed. And even though all my walls are shielded, the windows are not shielded because we wanted to get a little bit extra lighting in. I'm like, well, if I have to choose between as much natural lighting as possible, getting blasted by a tower while I'm in bed. So now we're shielding the windows as well.

Leila Centner [01:00:14]: But you can put the shield, the clear shield in front of it. Did you get that?

Ben Greenfield [01:00:19]: What do you mean, the clear shield?

Leila Centner [01:00:20]: You can actually. It's like a tint.

Ben Greenfield [01:00:21]: Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, that's what we're now putting on the windows.

Leila Centner [01:00:25]: Yeah, yeah, I have that.

Ben Greenfield [01:00:26]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:00:26]: On all my schools.

Ben Greenfield [01:00:27]: Yeah. Wow. You've thought of a lot.

Leila Centner [01:00:29]: Yeah.

Ben Greenfield [01:00:29]: Incredible.

Leila Centner [01:00:30]: It's important, you know. I mean, we live in toxic soup. This is the other thing I tell people the reason why it's so important to do this stuff. And look, if I tell people, if you, if you can't afford a place like Centner Wellness, do the natural things. Sit outside, enjoy the red light ground outside side. Make sure that you're only buying organic. It might cost you a little bit more money now, but in the long run, you're not dousing your body with glyphosate. That's destroying your gut.

Leila Centner [01:00:55]: So do all the things for free. Buy a super simple thousand dollar infrared tent. You know, you don't need to have the $10,000 infrared, you know, sauna, just do whatever you can work out. Get one of those little mini trampolines so you can shake up your lymphatic system and you can get it moving. You could bounce. You could do the rebounding. Fifteen minutes a day. Yeah, like everybody should be doing things because if you don't.

Leila Centner [01:01:23]: And this is what I learned from Dr. Group. The guy that I showed you his supplements in our room.

Ben Greenfield [01:01:28]: Yeah, the guy who does like ozonated supplements.

Leila Centner [01:01:31]: He. He has a quantum in his manufacturing facility that he puts in his. Yeah, but he was part of Dr. Hulda Clark's team in the 1990s. He was an apprentice.

Ben Greenfield [01:01:42]: Oh, wow.

Leila Centner [01:01:42]: And they were trying to figure out. Okay, let's figure out what the cause of what the root cause of cancer is. Right. She had all this data. She was working with other amazing doctors with all this data. And you want to know the root cause? You probably know what the root cause is.

Ben Greenfield [01:01:56]: I mean, I'm going to say parasites, because that's what comes before parasites. Your toxin exposure, your toxic load.

Leila Centner [01:02:05]: Yes.

Ben Greenfield [01:02:06]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:02:07]: They figured out the root cause was the person's toxic load.

Ben Greenfield [01:02:11]: Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So what you're saying is by living clean, eating clean, moving, breathing, sweating, doing all these things, including charging the body up with light, with negative ions, with connection to the planet with the technologies that simulate that. One of the main things that people should take into consideration when questioning how much time and money they want to spend on this stuff is the efficacy with which it is preventing a debilitating disease in the future that your body creates. Because you eventually reach a state where it can't clean itself up 100%.

Leila Centner [01:02:48]: You said that so perfectly. We need to create.

Ben Greenfield [01:02:51]: Just made it up as I went.

Leila Centner [01:02:52]: A little 60 second of that. Because it's key. You will get cancer eventually if you do not clean the toxic load.

Ben Greenfield [01:03:00]: Yeah, it's.

Leila Centner [01:03:01]: It's gonna happen.

Ben Greenfield [01:03:02]: You know, people also say that if you don't take the Time to slow down. Your body will eventually slow you down. It kind of reminds me of that. It's, it's, I'm sure that people who do not take the time to slow down, who do not meditate, don't have a gratitude practice, who are constantly on planes, trains and automobiles working 24, seven or at least many hours of the day, those people sure have a nervous system activation and amount of stress that puts the body into this fight or flight mode that renders it more susceptible to disease. They also, based on that fast paced lifestyle, probably are eating more fast food, processed foods out of bars while driving down the highway, whatever. But what I'm getting at is that in addition to toxic load resulting in chronic disease, you could also argue that that's simply not taking the time to even slow down. And consider doing some of this stuff is going to accelerate the onset as well. Because you're just in sympathetic nervous system mode, which is not the state to be in when you want to detox.

Ben Greenfield [01:04:05]: This is why somebody gave me a piece of advice years ago. They're like, well, if you're going to use the infrared sauna to detox, like don't do stressful things in there. Don't drag your exercise bike in there and crank out push ups if your goal to be in there is to detox because you actually have better sweats, the pores open up more, the liver detox capacities increase. I don't know if that was based on research or not, but when you're in a more parasympathetic rest or digest state, which is why of course you shouldn't eat when you're in a hurry and you should chew your food and you know, do all those things that, that assist digestion as well.

Leila Centner [01:04:39]: That's why you're also going to love the chiropractic adjustment that you get from Dr. Rocco later.

Ben Greenfield [01:04:44]: Yeah, we're going to film that for you guys.

Leila Centner [01:04:45]: We'll show you in the parasympathetic which whenever he adjusts me, my sleep scores are amazing.

Ben Greenfield [01:04:52]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:04:52]: So yeah, it's, it's the key. And you know, people say, ah, I don't have time or I can't afford it. Well, take out the, can't afford it out of it because you can do it all naturally. Right. But if you don't do it now, it's going to cost you a lot more time later.

Ben Greenfield [01:05:08]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:05:09]: Because if you have cancer, you're not going to be able to work. You're going to have to stop everything.

Ben Greenfield [01:05:15]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:05:15]: You know, there you know, I, I've know people that, boom, diagnosed, two months gone.

Ben Greenfield [01:05:21]: Wow.

Leila Centner [01:05:22]: You, by the time you get cancer, your body has been a mess for 20 years. When people say, oh, the person was healthy and just got. No, no, that's not true.

Ben Greenfield [01:05:34]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:05:35]: It's like, what would happen if you bought a brand new car and you never got an oil change? What's gonna happen to that car? You're gonna be driving down the highway one day and you're gonna see smoke coming out of your car and it's not gonna work. I know this because it happened to me when I was 16 because nobody told me to get an oil change and so I killed my first car.

Ben Greenfield [01:05:56]: Now your car will tell you when you need an oil change and where to go to get one and probably drive you to the oil change.

Leila Centner [01:06:02]: Yes. But when I was 16, it did not, you know, and nobody explained to me why it was important. But your. Our bodies, we need to change the filters, we need to do an oil change. We need to purge these toxins, you know, and that cell membrane is getting beat up on a daily basis. Whether it's from chemtrails, from the skies, whether it's the toxic pollution in our waters, it's everywhere. And so to ignore the cell membrane and just keep going, you know, it's going to keep getting hammered and hammered until it's not going to be detoxing. So not only are people not detoxing like they should be, their bodies, their cells are no longer detoxing.

Leila Centner [01:06:45]: So then that sludge just completely takes over the body, and then all of a sudden, boom, it's not working.

Ben Greenfield [01:06:52]: Wow.

Leila Centner [01:06:53]: Parasites have taken over. Everything's taken over. The cells are a mess. The cells that are supposed to die aren't dying. I mean, it's. You're just a mess.

Ben Greenfield [01:07:01]: Yeah. Wow.

Leila Centner [01:07:03]: And then they're like, what do I do now? Okay, great, let's do chemotherapy and just, you know, with a hose, kill everything else that was good in your body.

Ben Greenfield [01:07:12]: Slash and burn

Leila Centner [01:07:15]: And burn and just hope and pray that you're going to come out of that. And hope and pray that we were able to kill enough of the bad stuff, good stuff, we're strong enough to survive.

Ben Greenfield [01:07:22]: Burn down the house instead of taking out the trash on a regular, regular basis, you know?

Leila Centner [01:07:26]: Exactly. So let's take out the trash on a regular basis.

Ben Greenfield [01:07:29]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:07:29]: Let's encourage the world to do something to, to do jumping jacks. Like, you don't need to have this amazing facility to, to be healthy and well. Yeah, but if you know people, even.

Ben Greenfield [01:07:42]: Though the Vasper and the ARX are a little more fun than jumping jacks.

Leila Centner [01:07:45]: You are right, they're fun. But like, I don't want to discourage, I don't want anybody watching this to think.

Ben Greenfield [01:07:50]: To think I can't get healthy unless I have all this cool stuff. Yeah, I run into that sometimes too. And this kind of stuff is totally fun. And yes, if you've dug yourself into a hole, definitely this is the type of equipment that you really need. Or if you really want to focus and it's high on the totem pole for you on longevity, on anti aging, on beauty, et cetera. Yes, this stuff will help that out. But you're right, I mean, to stay clean, it can be. You don't even need a rebound.

Ben Greenfield [01:08:18]: You can bounce your body up and down, you can do jumping jacks, you can do push ups, you can go outside the sunlight, you can earth, you can ground, you can swim. Yeah, that's, that's a, that's an important message for people to learn.

Leila Centner [01:08:28]: And, and enemas are not expensive. Everybody needs to keep their colon clean.

Ben Greenfield [01:08:33]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:08:33]: You have to keep your colon clean.

Ben Greenfield [01:08:35]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:08:35]: And especially in the beginning when you, when you've never done it before. Like inspect that toilet, see what comes out of there.

Ben Greenfield [01:08:41]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:08:42]: Start with your water enemas, then move up to the coffee enemas. It's not something you need to do all the time.

Ben Greenfield [01:08:46]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:08:46]: But if you've never done a colonics or coffee enemas, you have to because all the little bugs and stuff are hiding in your colon.

Ben Greenfield [01:08:53]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:08:54]: And this is how people get colon cancer.

Ben Greenfield [01:08:55]: Yeah. I do it once a week. I've been doing it for six years.

Leila Centner [01:08:59]: And it's amazing. Right?

Ben Greenfield [01:09:01]: You feel pretty good.

Leila Centner [01:09:02]: You feel great. Diverticulitis. Before I started this, I had diverticulitis and the doctor, you know, did a colonoscopy which now that I know what I know today, I would never get one again. But I had no idea what I was getting into again. All of these sicknesses opened my eyes to another world. My coffee enemas got. Got rid of it, gone. I'm fine now.

Leila Centner [01:09:26]: No issues. Yeah, no issues.

Ben Greenfield [01:09:29]: Amazing.

Leila Centner [01:09:29]: But the, but the doctor didn't count Starbucks.

Ben Greenfield [01:09:32]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:09:32]: And the doctor didn't tell me, like, I'm like, well, what do I do? How do I heal from this?

Ben Greenfield [01:09:37]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:09:37]: Basically he sent me home to get worse.

Ben Greenfield [01:09:40]: Yeah. Wow.

Leila Centner [01:09:42]: You know, wow. Same thing. I also had a gallbladder stone rushed to theER. I thought somebody was stabbing me with a knife. And I was like, what in the world is happening? So they gave me an MRI and they showed me the stone and they're like, you know, the easiest way to help you is to cut out your gallbladder. And I'm like, of course that can't be a solution. Just get me out of here.

Ben Greenfield [01:10:03]: It can't be useful now that I.

Leila Centner [01:10:05]: Know what I'm dealing with. Get me out of here.

Ben Greenfield [01:10:07]: This throwaway organ.

Leila Centner [01:10:08]: And then I went home and I did these amazing gallbladder liver flushes, and I had stones galore coming out of me. It was a two day thing. And I did it multiple times since. Never had an issue again.

Ben Greenfield [01:10:25]: Wow.

Leila Centner [01:10:26]: Yet the hospitals want to jump to ripping out your gallbladder, telling you it's useless. Well, God didn't put it there if it was useless.

Ben Greenfield [01:10:32]: Exactly. Same thing like the appendix, the storehouse of bacteria. I mean, you could get it removed. If you have appendicitis, it might be necessary. But yeah, every. Every organ, as far as I know, there might be one, I'm not thinking of, but every organ has a pretty. Pretty good purpose, all the way down to the balance that you lose if for some reason your. Your pinky toe.

Ben Greenfield [01:10:56]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:10:56]: My tonsils were inflamed almost every single month. They wanted to remove my tonsils. And I'm like, you're crazy. We're not doing it. I have not had a sore throat for four years.

Ben Greenfield [01:11:06]: Wow.

Leila Centner [01:11:07]: Three years.

Ben Greenfield [01:11:08]: Wow.

Leila Centner [01:11:09]: Because that's when I really started boosting my immune system.

Ben Greenfield [01:11:11]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:11:12]: So amazing. It's not the. It's not the tonsils being inflamed that's the problem. It's. Why are the tonsils inflamed?

Ben Greenfield [01:11:19]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:11:20]: And the tonsils are actually protecting you and doing a job. Now you're going to remove your number one soldier from the front line?

Ben Greenfield [01:11:29]: Yep.

Leila Centner [01:11:29]: Then what's going to protect you? Yeah, I mean, it's just so backwards. And once I got into this, because this is not my background. I mean, I used to be a CPA. I was a CFO of my hump of my husband's company that we sold six, seven years ago. So I was a numbers girl, you know, MBA. I'm all into the analytics of everything, which is why I'm obsessed about labs. There isn't anything I do without doing labs. I did a crazy butter butter protein diet.

Leila Centner [01:11:57]: Anybody that's doing that, get the. Get off of it immediately. I did all the labs before and after, and it was a disaster. It created so much inflammation in my body.

Ben Greenfield [01:12:06]: You did a what?

Leila Centner [01:12:07]: It was like a lot of butter. You were supposed to eat a lot of ghee, a lot of butter with just protein. It was a disaster. But it's the reason I do labs for everything, because I can see this is where my markers were in the beginning, and then I'll retest in 90 days. And everything that you see in my location is because it was tested on me. I was the guinea pig. And other people, we've seen the results. We.

Leila Centner [01:12:32]: Oh, my God, this is incredible. Look at what this person did to this person. You know, we've. We've had somebody in here with Alzheimer's. They get started on our PK protocol, which you should also see. Dr. Hyman did an article on Alzheimer's as well. And the PC oils and amazing things happen to the brain.

Leila Centner [01:12:50]: My brain has never felt sharper because of the oils. And then everything else that I'm doing here just enhances it. When your membrane is strong, all of these toys are enhanced.

Ben Greenfield [01:13:03]: Wow. Wow. Well, for people who are watching, obviously, there's a lot of different pieces of equipment here. You saw some of them in the video. I know on your website you've got like a list of services and you can kind of like click and read more about each of these different protocols. I don't know if we mentioned it when we're doing the video walkthrough, but we are in Miami, Florida. That's where Centner Academy is. Are you going to be anywhere else you think, or for now, just South Florida?

Leila Centner [01:13:33]: No, we will. So we're opening another location in Edgewater. That's in Aria is the Aria condo building. We're going to be on the bottom floor, but it's not going to be just a wellness center. We're opening a regenerate cafe and restaurant. Oh, yeah, sure.

Ben Greenfield [01:13:48]: It'll be tasty, super cool, or empanadas.

Leila Centner [01:13:50]: And we're going to be having our own chicken. Oh, that's super clean. That's great.

Alyssa [01:13:57]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:13:57]: And like another level on top of organic.

Ben Greenfield [01:13:59]: Yeah.

Leila Centner [01:14:00]: Regenerative chicken.

Ben Greenfield [01:14:01]: I love it. Speaks my language. Chicken and biohacking. That's the name of this podcast. It's gonna be BenGreenfieldLife.com/centner C E N T N E R. And that's where you can check out all the goodies, the show notes. We're also going to have a little bonus, so don't go away yet. Showing you some cool chiropractic moves from Dr. Rocco.

Ben Greenfield [01:14:22]: All right, so as promised, little. Little carrot at the End of a stick here. As a part of my podcast as Centner, I hooked up with Dr. Rocco. Backstory is I actually threw on my back a couple days ago, and I found out that Leila, who you just saw the interview with, has an amazing Chiro she works with. So we thought, why not turn the cameras on while he explains what he does? Because apparently it's pretty unique. Yes, yes, Very unique.

Ben Greenfield [01:14:47]: All right, cool.

Dr. Rocco [01:14:48]: Awesome. So everything starts with parasympathetic fight or flight. Rest and digest. Everything comes back to that. So the way I like to explain it to people is we're going to call rest and digest your center. Anything that takes us away from that is a stressor on the body.

Ben Greenfield [01:15:04]: Right?

Dr. Rocco [01:15:05]: So it could be too much sunshine, it could be COVID. It doesn't matter what it is. And we're in variations of it all day. So this pulls us out here into the stressor. Now, how fast we can go from the stressor back to our set point is how adaptable we are as humans. Right? Some people get. Maybe they get COVID. They're better in a day, a week, a month.

Dr. Rocco [01:15:27]: Right? So this adaptability threshold. And so for me, I like to explain it a lot like children. So my daughter's 8 now, right? When she was 1, she'd be in here, and maybe she'd venture over to the bed, and then she'd come back and grab dad's leg. Right. Two, she may venture into the hall. Four, go a little bit farther. But she always knows she can come back eight years old. She may be outside at this point.

Ben Greenfield [01:15:46]: Right.

Dr. Rocco [01:15:47]: But then she's going to come back. So her adaptability threshold with her dad is that we have the same thing in our bodies. Make sense?

Ben Greenfield [01:15:55]: Okay.

Dr. Rocco [01:15:55]: So this adaptable threshold has three pathways that it can utilize in order to adapt. Okay? So his pathways are this. We have the physical body, the chemical, and the emotional body. I definitely have doctor handwriting. So we'll do the best we can.

Ben Greenfield [01:16:16]: All right?

Dr. Rocco [01:16:16]: For me, this one is the most important because it's the one I can change in the office that day. Okay? It will play into these. Now, the part I'm talking about is the brain and the spinal cord itself. Itself, okay? The bones that stack up around it are a part of it. Brain and spinal cord are actually one big organ.

Ben Greenfield [01:16:39]: All right?

Dr. Rocco [01:16:40]: Now, your brain and spinal cord have a membrane that's a membrane that surrounds them. We're going to talk a lot of 30,000 foot view here. And it's called the dura. I'm sure you've heard of that. Okay, so this is how your body responds to stress. Okay. It's just like this hair tie. When the spine.

Dr. Rocco [01:17:03]: When the body counters stress, the spine stretches. Okay. When the body releases the stress, the spine relaxes. So all day we're kind of in a little bit of a stress relax, stress relaxed state.

Ben Greenfield [01:17:15]: Okay.

Dr. Rocco [01:17:16]: We are on, like, we have an onslaught now of stressors in our lives that we never had before. So the spine, instead of just like relaxing again, it never gets to. It's one after another after another after another. Eventually it can't stretch anymore.

Ben Greenfield [01:17:29]: Okay.

Dr. Rocco [01:17:30]: Now that cord's gonna start to torque and twist itself. Okay. Real, real gently. But what happens is in that torque and twist, we start to create little things called dural adhesions along the spinal cord. Your spine is now literally being choked.

Ben Greenfield [01:17:49]: Yeah.

Dr. Rocco [01:17:49]: Like this in that torqued and twist position. What that does is when we go into that stress response, it's like the undercurrent of the ocean. Now it can't come all the way back. Does that make sense?

Ben Greenfield [01:17:59]: Yeah.

Dr. Rocco [01:18:00]: So we know now that these can start to form by 2 years old in the system. Wow.

Ben Greenfield [01:18:04]: Wow.

Dr. Rocco [01:18:05]: Okay. And start to calcify around that spinal cord and to choke the spine.

Ben Greenfield [01:18:09]: Okay.

Dr. Rocco [01:18:09]: We know that this is massive for a whole bunch of different reasons. 186 billion neurons in our brain basically converge and send a billion of them down and out our nerve roots.

Ben Greenfield [01:18:20]: Okay.

Dr. Rocco [01:18:21]: Those go to every cell in our body. Depending on what you read, between 36 trillion and 100 trillion cells in your body. When this happens, and the spine goes in and it locks down into that stress response, the cell shuts itself out off to the outside world and goes into survival mode.

Ben Greenfield [01:18:38]: Okay.

Dr. Rocco [01:18:39]: Now, mitochondria is affected, DNA is affected, telomeres are all affected because the system is shut down and the things aren't able to get in.

Ben Greenfield [01:18:47]: Okay, that makes sense. Yep.

Dr. Rocco [01:18:49]: So we have created all of these modalities, all of these things that are hyper concentrated to break through this system.

Ben Greenfield [01:18:56]: Okay. All right.

Dr. Rocco [01:18:58]: My job, when I take care of you, the short answer is this. To jump to the end is when I take care of you, my job is to bring the spine from this to this.

Ben Greenfield [01:19:08]: Okay.

Dr. Rocco [01:19:08]: So we start to break these up and we start to get the spine to relax and calm down again. That then gets this cell to open itself back up. Okay. And now nutrients can flow in the right way. Now you add things like a red light bed. It's exponentially enhanced. What can happen to the system?

Ben Greenfield [01:19:25]: Okay. Okay.

Dr. Rocco [01:19:26]: The cell wall, cell membrane, all of this is starting to do what it's supposed to do. Again, it can get its signal.

Ben Greenfield [01:19:31]: Good. Cool.

Dr. Rocco [01:19:32]: All right, now we're going to go.

Ben Greenfield [01:19:34]: A little bit farther. Okay?

Dr. Rocco [01:19:37]: The next thing that happens.

Dr. Rocco [01:19:41]: Is the HPA axis.

David Centner [01:19:43]: That's just your body's stress response. Don't worry about the names. Signals are sent down the spine to the adrenal glands. Everybody and their mother's told they have adrenal fatigue now, right? So the body goes into the stress response, and it can't leave it. So this stays on all the time. Okay? The adrenals are going to then make cortisol. We know everything cortisol does. Short term, great.

Dr. Rocco [01:20:10]: Long term, terrible. Public enemy number one, according to Psychology Today, all right, when this system can't shut down because the spinal cord is being choked and its vibrational frequency is being stifled, now this system stays on all the time. When this happens, everything goes awry. Blood pressure increases, heart rate increases, immune response decreases, sex hormones decrease, inflammation skyrockets, dopamine decreases, which leads into whole brain reward cascade system, which is the addiction and compulsive disorders, all from hijacking of the nervous system.

Dr. Rocco [01:20:45]: Okay? Does that make that make sense?

Dr. Rocco [01:20:48]: All right, you take cortisol running rampant in the body, an adrenal gland being pumped dry, and roughly, depending on what you read, 100 trillion cells being shut.

Dr. Rocco [01:20:58]: Off to the outside world.

Dr. Rocco [01:21:00]: And this, at a cellular level, gives you the breeding ground for every disease we know of.

Ben Greenfield [01:21:04]: Okay?

Dr. Rocco [01:21:05]: All right, we know that this now is called HPA axis dysfunction, when this system does not function correctly, and it hijacks the entire stress response in the body, perpetuating the disease cycle.

Ben Greenfield [01:21:16]: Okay, Makes sense. Yeah.

Dr. Rocco [01:21:18]: All right, now, this one's my favorite part. The next thing that happens is the emotional system goes. All right, so your third eye sits way up here, right? Everybody loves to go up and talk about how important that is.

Dr. Rocco [01:21:36]: It's actually, if you follow it up, that sella turca and the seat of it right there is actually where the spine comes up and ends, okay? So it anchors right there. Now, if we stretch that spine, we're theoretically pulling down on that seat of the emotional system. Okay? The next thing that Candace Pert found is that your thoracic spine. So from T1 to T12, this part has as much emotional tissue as your brain, okay? And the dorsal roots of the spinal cord. When this spine is pulled, torqued, and twisted, we are hijacking this entire system. This is the source of most of our stress, our anxiety and our depression. When you follow this the whole way through.

Ben Greenfield [01:22:21]: Wow. Interesting. Okay.

Dr. Rocco [01:22:23]: When you start to take the tension patterns off the spine, these things fade away like crazy under my care.

Ben Greenfield [01:22:28]: Wow.

Dr. Rocco [01:22:29]: Okay. To go deeper. When this happens, the primitive brain lights up and its job is survival. That's it. That's all we care about. This is why Fox, CNN, and Facebook, I'll pump you negative news because this needs fed. The more this gets fed, the more you stay in that loop of survival, survival, survival. And you cannot be in survival and thrival at the same time.

Dr. Rocco [01:22:51]: If we listen to anything Lipton and Dispenza have. Have given us, right? So the body, then again, reinforces the cellular response of stress to every single thing all the way back. And then you get stuck in this loop. Your body makes around 37 quadrillion chemicals a second that's under the control of the brain and spinal cord. When that chokes, it diminishes all of it. Now, the beautiful part of all of this is once we start to take tension off the spine and we rebalance it, all of this opens back up again. Okay. This is my favorite part.

Dr. Rocco [01:23:26]: There's a wave in your brain called the P300 wave. Have you heard of this?

Ben Greenfield [01:23:29]: No. Okay.

Dr. Rocco [01:23:30]: It's your state of human performance.

Ben Greenfield [01:23:31]: Okay.

Dr. Rocco [01:23:32]: Okay. How well that wave functions is in essence how adaptable you are as a human being. Okay. When there's tension on the brain and spinal cord or there's any type of trauma, concussions, anything like that, the amplitude and latency of that wave is going to decrease.

Ben Greenfield [01:23:48]: Okay?

Dr. Rocco [01:23:48]: All right. Every time I touch your spine, the amplitude and wave of that P300 or latency start to balance back out and upregulate themselves. We are finding now that this has no theoretical limit to its potential. Meaning neurologically, we are limitless as human beings.

Ben Greenfield [01:24:05]: Okay?

Dr. Rocco [01:24:06]: This is how neuroplasticity works. This is how your adaptability works at brain and cellular levels, is how your cognitive ability, focus, all of that comes back to this.

Ben Greenfield [01:24:14]: Okay?

Dr. Rocco [01:24:15]: So when we bring the P300 wave back online, that's my favorite part of this. All the other stuff, the symptoms, all those things fading away for people. It's amazing. I love it. But you get this back online and you get the body doing what it's supposed to do again. Stress, anxiety, and depression start to fade away. Symptomology starts to fade away. The body balances, hormonal system back out again.

David Centner [01:24:34]: It's fascinating.

Ben Greenfield [01:24:35]: Wow. Cool.

Dr. Rocco [01:24:36]: That makes sense.

Ben Greenfield [01:24:37]: Yeah.

Dr. Rocco [01:24:37]: Yeah. The summary that I give everybody is this all right?

Dr. Rocco [01:24:42]: This is you.

Dr. Rocco [01:24:46]: You're a level five person, okay? This is your stress level three. Your stressor becomes a level four. That's a problem. It becomes a level five. Nobody likes that. It becomes a level six. It's completely overtaking you, okay? The world has created a trillion dollar industry to decrease the stress in the system. System.

Dr. Rocco [01:25:08]: Okay? Nobody talks about how do we increase the adaptability of you, right? That's what the P300 wave does every time. It increases its potential. We do this, we do this, we do this, we do this. Now, if you're like all of my patients, we do this and this is where we go, okay? To quite potentially limitless.

Ben Greenfield [01:25:32]: Okay? Right?

Dr. Rocco [01:25:33]: And then you tie in and you.

Dr. Rocco [01:25:34]: Add all the stuff we do here.

Dr. Rocco [01:25:35]: And this skyrockets, okay? Just like, you know, right? All the things you do, all the things you work with, that's what happens.

Ben Greenfield [01:25:41]: All right? So next up, I may actually get the treatment now. Dr. Rocco's told me it's a little boring. I don't want to bore you guys on camera seeing how this is exactly done, but I will report back afterwards and let you know my thoughts. So if you stay tuned for the end of this podcast or follow me on social media, you'll learn more about what I experienced afterwards. Thanks for watching. As a reminder, the show notes for today's show are at BenGreenfieldLife.com/ C E N T N E R where you can leave your questions, comments, feedback for me for Leila about any of the technologies or the treatments that you see in this video. That's BenGreenfieldLife.com/ Centner to discover even more tips, tricks, hacks and content to become the most complete, best boundless version of you, visit BenGreenfieldLife.com in compliance with the FTC guidelines.

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