May 11, 2023
Today, I have the pleasure of introducing you to a spiritual power couple who have dedicated their lives to transforming lives, cultivating presence, and nurturing the spiritual growth of countless individuals.
For over 20 years, Pastor Lyle Phillips, along with his wife Allyson, have been beacons of hope and guidance for those who seek a closer connection to the divine. Together, they serve as the Lead Pastors of Legacy Church in East Nashville.
Before devoting himself to ministry, Lyle began his journey as a missionary to Africa and India, where he founded Mercy29, an NGO aimed at rescuing children from human trafficking. In just a few short years, Mercy29 helped rescue more than 400 kids. Lyle and Allyson met while Allyson was in ministry school at BSSM, and they were married just over a year later in Nashville, where they founded Legacy Church together.
Lyle's impact as a spiritual leader has been recognized by his mentors at Iris Global, an organization whose primary mission is to seek the face of God and glorify Him. Iris Global's Co-Founder and President, Heidi Baker, has described Pastor Lyle as “one of my heroes,” adding that “he is one who walks with God.” Iris Global is dedicated to proclaiming Jesus as the source of salvation, wisdom, and sanctification, providing everything that people need, now and forever.
Legacy Nashville’s long-term vision is built on three pillars: Churches, Education, and Feeding the Hungry. They embody their commitment to holistically healthy living through five key attributes: Holiness unto the Lord, Humility in heart, Hunger to do the work, Honor towards everyone, and Holistic health.
In today’s episode, we dive into the fascinating intersection of faith, biohacking, and well-being. Pastor Lyle shares his insights on how to biohack creativity and the remarkable effects of light and sound on the human body. As a true “presence person,” he sheds light on the importance of nurturing our spiritual health and how it ultimately enhances every aspect of our lives.
So, whether you're a seasoned believer, a spiritual seeker, or simply curious about the connection between faith and holistic wellness, this conversation with Pastor Lyle and Allyson Phillips is sure to enlighten and inspire you. Join us as we explore the power of presence, the science of well-being, and the transformative potential of a life dedicated to loving God, loving people, and changing the world.
During our discussion, you'll discover:
-Who is Pastor Lyle Philips?…07:17
- Legacy Nashville
- Ben has been a guest on Pastor Lyle Philips' Conversations podcast
- On October 17th-20th, Ben is opening his home to pastors
- Maximum of 12 participants
- Teach them things
- Breathwork, exercise, healthy food, cold plunges, and more
- Warriors for God Workshop
- Fill in the form if you are interested in attending the Warriors for God workshop
-Ben Greenfield and his work…09:53
- Boundless: Upgrade Your Brain, Optimize Your Body & Defy Aging
- Beyond Training: Mastering Endurance, Health & Life
- Boundless Parenting: Tools, Tactics and Habits of Great Parents
- Book about legacy, generational wealth, education, raising free-thinking, resilient kids
- 33 sets of parents
- 10 Ways To Grow Tiny SuperHumans
- Ben wrote the book when his sons were six
- How to bio-hack a superhuman kid
- Lots of things changed from that time
- Still doing breathwork, red light sauna, cold plunge
- Heat, cold, and breathwork are essential
- How young can children do this?
- Some cultures do it from birth
- Cold has resilience effect on the body
- Breathwork helps to cope with the stress of cold plunges
- Getting the head wet earlier triggers the vagus nerve
- Green tea, berberine, caffeine
- Get the benefits after 10 seconds
- Ben usually stays in the cold for 2 to 5 minutes like a quick cold shower
- 55°F or colder gives the effect
- Put 2 tablespoons of hydrogen peroxide to clean the water
-How to biohack creativity…24:37
- Is it possible to hijack creativity?
- You can shift the brain into a state of creativity by
- Temperature regulation, like sauna, breathwork, and a cold plunge
- Light
- Sound
- Breathwork apps are mostly new-age and secular
- The Enlightenment Trap by Scott Carney
- The dark side of new age enlightenment and meditation
- Ben’s several breath work tactics
- Use of uplifting music
- Orthodox Jesus prayer and breathing
- Breath as Prayer by Jennifer Tucker
- God’s voice in still, small silence
- God gave us breath and certain ways to use it
- 2 crazy tips for public speaking
- Wim Hof breathwork
- Ben started to record breathwork sessions for Bible verses
- Preparing to release a breath work app for Christians
-The effects of light and sound on the human body…34:24
- The body responds to photons of light
- Light excites the mitochondria
- Mitozen high-dose melatonin suppository for sleep (300mg)
- Rectal slow release
- Podcast with Dr. John Lieurance
- Certain types of light are great for creativity
- Natural sunlight
- Red light
- Blue light
- Vielight
- red light for creativity and focus
- Evy light
- For creativity and focus
- Sound
- Apps for binaural beats for creativity and focus
- 10Hz to 40Hz
- Brain.fm (use code BEN20 to save 20%)
-Which nootropics are good for creativity?…44:38
- Ethical question: Is shifting your brain for creativity a sin?
- Pharmakia – using drugs for divination is forbidden in the Bible
- Ayahuasca and psilocybin are very powerful
- The Bible differentiates pharmakia from the use of alcohol
- Podcast with Robert Orem:
- Ben's articles about Plant Medicines:
- The Doctrine of Signatures
- Use of substances for the ability to focus is something different
- Certain things in nature can be used to enhance our abilities
- Human Heart, Cosmic Heart by Dr. Thomas Cowan
- God gave us many things that, when used responsibly, can be useful
- Lucy nicotine gum (use code BEN20 to save 20%)
- Nicotine is great for focus
- Rapé
- It’s important to know what you are doing
- If not, the brain can crash
- The best is to use done-for-you formulations
- Onnit Alpha Brain (use code BEN to save 10%)
- Qualia Mind by Neurohacker Collective
- Nootopia (use code BEN10 to save 10%) custom-designed boxes
- Inexpensive solutions to shift you in alpha-brain mode
- A state of ketosis accomplished with strategies like
- Fasting
- Carbohydrate restriction
- Healthy fats (coconut oil in coffee, mct oil, and ketones)
- Ketosis provides constant flow of energy
- Every once in a while, in moderation – modafinil
- Floods brain with serotonin and dopamine
- Several serious problems with modafinil
-How to deal with adrenal fatigue…1:03:17
- Christ Church with pastor Douglas Wilson
- Ben grew up there
- Podcast with Doug Wilson:
- Extreme adrenal fatigue is constant among pastors
- Tips for healthy adrenal glands
- Adrenal fatigue is often overdiagnosed
- The health of adrenal glands can be determined by hormone tests
- DUTCH Panel Test
- Things that have a bad effect on adrenal glands
- Too much caffeine
- Excessive use of supplements
- Excessive exposure to light in the evening
- Inadequate sleep
- Poor stress management
- Heat, cold, breathwork, and exercise are great for adrenal glands
- A few things adrenal glands benefit from
- Minerals (salt, Quinton, Adrenal Cocktail by Jigsaw Health)
- Vitamin C (Kion Immune)
- Adaptogens
- Adaptogens that work best when you are too stressed
- NSDR (Non Sleep Deep Rest) or Yoga Nidra
- Simulates full sleep cycle
- How much coffee is too much?
- There are slow and fast caffeine metabolizer people
- Ben switches to decaf occasionally
- 2 cups a day are optimal
-How people react to Ben talking about faith…1:12:22
- Ben was born in a Christian home
- Went to Sunday school, good kid
- Homeschooled, started college at 16
- Immature and succumbed to a lot of temptation in college
- Got married at 21, didn’t have great relationship with the Lord and his family
- Being on the verge of losing his family opened his eyes
- At 31, Ben realized he needed to spend time on his spiritual health
- Spiritual Disciplines Journal
- Books:
- Started talking to his audience about his journey
- It was very well received
- Many Christians in the fitness world who started talking about their faith
- Very rewarding to use your platform to speak about God and our spirit
- Warriors for God Workshop
- Fill in the form if you are interested in attending the Warriors for God workshop
-And much more…
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Click here for the full written transcript of this podcast episode.
Resources from this episode:
– Lyle Phillips:
– Podcasts And Articles:
- The Crazy Future Of Medical Biohacking: Skull Resets, Suppositories, Nasal Sprays, Nebulizers, Sound Therapy & More With Dr. John Lieurance.
- The Renegade Breathing Mastermind Behind The Crazy Holotropic Breathing Protocol I Do In My Sauna (& Biohacking Breathwork, Best Foods For Breathhold Time & Much More!).
- Pharmakia, Plant Medicines, Addiction, Escapism, Ayahuasca, Shamanism & The Problem With The “Noble” Use of Drugs With Author Robert Orem.
- Devoured By Cannabis: Weed, Liberty, Legalization (& Whether Christians Should Smoke Marijuana) With Pastor Doug Wilson.
- Sunlight Makes You Skinny & Blue Light Makes You Fat: 11 Ways To Biohack Light To Optimize Your Body & Brain.
- The Big Problem With “Plant Medicines”: Part 2
- The Big Problem With “Plant Medicines”: Part 1
– Books:
- Ben's Books:
- Boundless: Upgrade Your Brain, Optimize Your Body & Defy Aging
- Beyond Training: Mastering Endurance, Health & Life
- Boundless Parenting: Tools, Tactics and Habits of Great Parents
- 10 Ways To Grow Tiny SuperHumans
- Fit Soul: Tools, Tactics & Habits for Optimizing Spiritual Fitness
- Endure: Tools, Tactics & Habits for Spiritual Stamina
- The Enlightenment Trap by Scott Carney
- Breath as Prayer by Jennifer Tucker
- Human Heart, Cosmic Heart by Dr. Thomas Cowan
– Other Resources:
- Sauna
- Cold Plunge
- Green Tea
- Berberine
- Coffee
- Wim Hof
- High Dose Melatonin Suppository (use code BEN to save 5%)
- Vielight
- Evy Light
- Brain.fm (use code BEN20 to save 20%)
- Lucy Nicotine Gum (use code BEN20 to save 20%)
- Rapé
- Onnit Alpha Brain (use code BEN to save 10%)
- Qualia Mind by Neurohacker Collective
- Nootopia (use code BEN10 to save 10%)
- L-Thianine
- Nicotine Toothpicks
- Coconut Oil
- MCT Oil
- Ketones
- Salt
- Quinton
- Jigsaw Health Adrenal Cocktail
- Kion Immune
- Four Sigmatic Reishi Mushroom
- Ashwagandha
- Yoga Nidra
- DUTCH Test
- Spiritual Disciplines Journal
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Do you have questions, thoughts, or feedback for Pastor Lyle Phillips or me? Leave your comments below and one of us will reply!
Ben,
I am a Youth Pastor in Laguna Beach, CA, and was very moved by this conversation. I’d love to learn more about how to apply and be considered for your 3 day retreat in October to train and equip pastors with health specific tools to help lead their congregations.
Heath is very important to the people of my community and I think this would be a fantastic way to further deepen their Spiritual journey toward Christ. Please let me know!
@[email protected]
Much appreciated, and God Bless you for the work you are doing for His Kingdom.
email [email protected] and we’ll add you to the list travis!
I have been listening to BG for about 10 years now and love and appreciate everything he’s done in the health industry.
With that said, what was the point of having Pastor Phillips on this episode? Ben does 95% of the talking. Even when they talk about spirituality, Ben dominates the conversation…
about divinity…..with a pastor.
I’ve noticed this too with Paul Chek’s 4D podcast. Another person I will always admire but can no longer listen to because it’s clear ego and satisfaction with his own knowledge is all too transparent.
He was interviewing me, Jessica.