During our discussion, you'll discover:

-Who is Anthony Kunkel?…05:35

• A racer, a curious seeker
• A flow junkie
• Ran 18.5 miles from the airport to Ben’s house

-The Faster Study at the University of Connecticut…08:27

• Faster study over at Dr. Jeff Volek’s at UConn's Human Performance Laboratory
  • Athletes on very high fat, low carb diet for 6-12 months
  • Ben and Anthony were participants
  • An important study that is referenced all the time
• Ben's blog post about his participation in Jeff Volek's research at UConn's Human Performance Laboratory:
  • Rewriting The Fat Burning Textbook – Part 1: Why You’ve Been Lied To About Carbs And How To Turn Yourself Into A Fat Burning Machine.
  • Rewriting The Fat Burning Textbook – Part 2: Why You’ve Been Lied To About Carbs And How To Turn Yourself Into A Fat Burning Machine.
• Anthony’s experience with the study
• The study showed that 1.5+ g of fat can be burned in a minute during exercise on a ketogenic diet
• Anthony participated in another study in Phoenix
• Anthony had been taking 300-350g of carbs a day
• His body learns to burn fat efficiently through a ketogenic diet
• Upregulation of glycogen synthase
  • Ben used it in bodybuilding

-Anthony’s food and training strategies…13:51

• Eats carbs only  for dinner
  • Has an 8-hour eating window
• Runs 2 times a day
• His training is gentle at aerobic paces
• 80% very easy, 20% intensive
• Stryd shoe power meter
• Keto Brick
• Anthony does 2 protocols
• EPO protocol
  • Big bumps in EPO with sauna use right after exercising
  • When you are heated up, a little bit fatigued, and dehydrated
• Dehydration as superpower
• EPO protocol – around 20 minutes
  • Workout
  • Ketones
  • Infrared sauna
• Ke4 or R-1,3 Butanediol
• “Tour de France protocol” – after workout for recovery
  • Hard ketone seltzer drink with protein at 1 pm
  • Ketone ester for lunch and dinner
  • Some carbs with dinner
• Podcast with Latt Mansor:
  • Everything You Need To Know About Ketones & Ketosis With Dr. Latt Mansor of H.V.M.N.

-Anthony’s pre-race routine…24:28

• Pre-race routine
  • One-week out, two-week taper
  • Something short and spicy during the week
  • The final session before race day will be something at the race pace
  • 72 hours out – crushing fiber
  • 48 hours out – stop taking fiber
• Cleaning the bowels and avoiding bowel movement during the race
• Ultrahouse Durango – offering it to athletes for free
• Anthony is living a life where he doesn’t need a lot of money
• Early Retirement Extreme by Jacob Lund Fisker
• Trickling with carbs
  • If it's a marathon or a half, he’ll have 125 grams of carbs
  • Usually not over 20g
• Ben’s practice before the Ironman
  • Carb load the night before the race
  • Higher fat breakfast or bulletproof style coffee in the morning – Steve Born of Hammer Nutrition
  • After swimming – first gel or the first dose of carbohydrates
• Keeping your body from going hypoglycemic leading up to the race
• Shifting your body into high fat-burning mode with a high-fat breakfast
• Breathwork session
• CO2 tolerance
• Oxygen tolerance – a self-alkalizing type of protocol
• The same effect with baking soda – Anthony uses sodium citrate
  • 0.3 grams per kilogram

-Anthony’s nootropic stack…41:45

• Anthony’s limitless pill
• Apex by Wukiyo (use code BEN to save 10%)
• Ben tried Wukiyo products (use code BEN to save 10%)
  • Bliss with psilocybin extract – crushed the day
  • Apex – missed afternoon siesta
  • Esse – similar to LSD stack with psilocybin
• How Anthony discovered Wukiyo
• Runner's High by Josiah Hesse
• Podcast with Josiah Hesse:
  • Banned For Cannabis? Is Weed An Illegal Performance Enhancing Drug? Runner’s High: How a Movement of Cannabis-Fueled Athletes Is Changing the Science of Sports With Josiah Hesse.
• Go SuperBrain | User Manual: Nootropics by Andrew Triana
• Podcast with Andy Triana:
  • Simple Tricks To Banish Anxiety & Panic, Rib Adjustments For Better Sleep, Nootropic & Smart Drug Stacks, The Science Of Getting Better In Bed, LSD For Performance & Much More With Go SuperBrain’s Andy Triana.
• Ultra-endurance athletes take small doses of THC
  • Improved focus and the bliss state
• Andy Triana says LSD is one of the most powerful inductors of beta-oxidation or fat-burning
• Anthony takes LSD and THC 2-3 times a week
• Ben stopped using THC regularly
  • A study on free radical leakage into the mitochondria with THC
  • Now use it once a month for long sexual experience
• Colorado Mushroom Company
• Not eating throughout the race, just takes ketones
• The help of heat training
• Measuring body temperature
  • Rectal thermometer
  • CORE body temperature monitoring device 

-Anthony’s morning routine…50:26

• Delay caffeine 
• Cold 
  • Used to do up to the neck for a minute 
  • Now, just up to the waist for 4 minutes
• Then go to the sauna, then red light therapy
• Altering nootropics throughout the week
  • Stacking nootropics with coffee or nicotine (use code BEN20 to save 20%)
  • Likes to cycle everything
  • Ben also believes that cycling through is best for the body
• Sometimes does kratom
• L-theanine calms you down
• How does Andy know what works?
• Taurine and Citrulline Malate with pink salt

-Anthony’s sleeping protocols…58:13

• SleepMe (use code BEN to save 15%)
• BedJet (use code BEN50 to save)
• Apollo haptic wristband
• Supplements in the evening:
  • Exogenous ketones
  • FreshCap mushroom blend
  • Chaga
• Supplements that increase mitochondrial activity:
  • Chaga
  • Shilajit
  • Methylene Blue
  • Chlorella/Spirulina
• Infrared therapy

-Pushback from Anthony's sponsors…1:02:03

• Pushback because of doing weird stuff
• Anthony doesn’t have a sponsorship from the shoe company
• Carving his own path
• KION
• Ben likes head-turning athletes
• Anthony prefers to be free and authentic than having a lot of sponsors
• Athletes tell him off the record about their use of psychedelics
• Athletes have something of value to offer the world

-Thinking or listening to stuff during a race…1:08:22

• Anthony doesn’t think about or listen to anything
  • The fewer thoughts, the better
  • He looks for peaceful, effortless bliss
• Ben listened to audiobooks during Ironman training
• Anthony often trains with his dog with him
• Sometimes listens to audiobooks
• Audiobooks are chocolate cake for your brain
• Ben had a playlist for interval training – slow and fast songs
  • Nowadays, mostly audiobooks and podcasts

-Strategies for injuries…1:12:27

• Anthony almost never gets injured
• Exposure to heat is crucial
• Has been doing sauna since he was 17-18
• Ben’s experience with sauna and heat exposure

-Tracking and testing training results…1:06:10

• A lot of biometrics
• Not much blood work
• Measures respiratory rate, temperature
• InsideTracker
  • Anthony doesn't like it because it is algorithmic
• Bloodwork once a year
  • Checks vitamin D and iron
• Getting down to marathon weight, he ended up giving up meat
  • Only egg yolks and raw beef liver once a week
• Anthony takes a blend from a local organic meat farm
  • Blend of fat, tongue, liver, heart, and kidney
• Copper deficiency in athletes
• Copper helps get iron into the cells  
  • Organ meats and legumes are a good source of copper
  • Spleen extract by Ancestral Supplements (use code BEN10 to save 10%)
  • Heart & Soil 
  • Bee pollen is massively high in bioavailable copper
• The goal is to replenish the iron with the nutrients that allow it to get into the cell vs. hanging around the bloodstream
• GoodPhyte Digestive enzymes
• Kion Flex and Colostrum
• Anthony's Patreon
• Anthony's 250-mile pilgrimage running journey 
  • Felt like death at first night, started crashing
  • Started using colostrum packages
• ARMRA Colostrum
  • Used 8-10 packages of colostrum per day
  • Didn't feel feverish at night and everything was smoothly flowing

-Doping and the advantages of sports gear…1:23:38

• Ben’s recipe for getting opioid-like effects
  • Phenylethylamine (use code BEN10 to save 10%)
  • CBD
  • Low dose kratom
  • Curcumin or turmeric
• The idea of doped-up Olympics
  • You're allowed to dope with whatever you want, but you have to get a health screen
• The Olympic Games are already all doped up
• There’s an alternative to doing something that's against the rules
• Super Shoes
• Anthony did a marathon and was the only one among the top 10 that didn’t wear Super Shoes
• Louis Simmons said gear can't be neutral. It has either an advantage or disadvantage

-What drives Anthony?…1:28:16

• Curiosity
• The crazy experiences that he had are worth whatever the price is
• Likes to be weird and do crazy stunts and talk about it and be about it
• People can benefit from what he’s doing
• Coaching and consults
• Ben’s coaching experience