The Lost Art of Storytelling, Why We Should Love Mondays As Much As Fridays, Why You Need A Health Coach & More With Made To Thrive Founder Steve Stavs.

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Welcome to the show. Today's episode is with biohacker and podcaster Steve Stavs from South Africa, whom I met at the Health Optimisation Summit held in the latter part of May 2022.

Steve Stavs’ philosophy is one of researching to reveal. He has spent his life immersing himself in knowledge and then turning these insights into actionable strategies designed to enhance the human state.

He is a successful entrepreneur, leadership coach, international lecturer, and holistic practitioner. Steve continues to run his wellness practice Regenerative Health, which he started 20 years ago. Steve then launched Made To Thrive in 2019 with the purpose of inspiring and empowering people to Superhuman Health and Performance, and—together with his team of eight coaches—ensures that people do not walk out their health journeys alone. He has aided many to reach their highest potential in all aspects of their lives and this has inspired him to take both his message and his mission to a wider audience. (You can save 15% on coaching and consulting with code BEN15 along with 5% off products in the shop with code BEN5.)

Steve draws on his background in Western Medical Practices and integrates the best of this knowledge with the profound teachings of Ancestral Living and Chinese Medicine. Thousands of patients can testify to the effectiveness of this comprehensive approach, which combines an understanding of ancient traditional cultures while including the most researched science in biochemistry, physiology, psychology, and nutrition.

An avid athlete, Steve is dedicated to exploring the boundaries of physical ability and pushing his body to its optimal performance. He is a Green Number Comrades runner and one of his ultimate goals is to run the Comrades Marathon at the age of 100. Steve supports the Community of the Hope Risen Foundation–a nonprofit organization founded by Tabitha and Rob Lage, who are passionate about ensuring humans have absolute freedom to live out their true purpose, know their why, and live according to this ethos.

Hope Risen has a vision to spread Hope, Love, and Justice in the quest to end modern-day slavery and exploitation. They are passionate about helping survivors of human trafficking shine again. The foundation runs a number of prevention and awareness initiatives alongside direct interventions to rescue, restore and reintegrate women, men, and children who have been exploited.

Steve asked me if he could interview me for his podcast, The Made To Thrive Show. I told him he could, but only if he can keep up with me on one of my aerobically and intellectually challenging “walk & talk” podcasts.

“Not a problem,” replied Steve, and I believed him—as he has covered over 40,000 running kilometers in the last 28 years. So Steve can take some steps!

And thus we took to the backstreets and parks of London during some free time from the summit and discussed many topics, such as:

  • Fear vs. purpose-based motivation
  • The African word for “community” and how it differs from our conception in the West
  • The lost art of storytelling
  • Why the “free” biohacks are just as important as the expensive gadgets found at your favorite conference
  • And more…

I enjoyed our conversation so much that I wanted to share it on my podcast feed as well. So I hope you enjoy it (and you'll hear that Steve was able to keep up with me just fine!).

In this episode, you'll discover:

-Steve's description of the Comrades Marathon…06:12

  • 56 miles
  • 25k participants
  • Promotes camaraderie and community among S. Africans
  • People make changes only because they get sick, not necessarily for positive effect in life
  • Podcast with Tim Noakes:
  • Pursuing a weight that's not ideal for their homeostatic status
  • March 26, 2020: first day of Covid lockdown; felt a field of uncertainty and fear among the people

-Fear vs. purpose-based motivation for human action…09:56

  • Body awareness
  • Motivation vs. purpose-based fear
  • Doing good out of a healthy fear of God vs. fear of going to hell

-Ubuntu and the spirit of community…15:30

  • Meaning: “I am” because “we are”
  • Community: “Commune in Unity”
  • You can only be truly healthy in a community perspective
  • Community becomes the internal driver
  • God said it's not good for man to be alone; created woman for community
  • Made To Thrive

-An environment that facilitates success…20:27

-Storytelling as a means of building community…31:42

-Arts and music as a means of healing…42:37

  • Nikola Tesla: We're light, energy, frequency beings
  • Vibratory frequency can be healing
  • Photons of light can stimulate the mitochondria
  • BrainTap
  • We're designed to be creators, to contribute, not to consume

-Gathering and preparing food that sustains community…45:07

  • We often view food as an isolated fuel, when it's a part of life
  • Nourishes us physically and spiritually when consumed among the community
  • View food as a part of your story, not a mass of chemicals to fuel the body

-Putting biohacking in its place regarding our quality of life…49:00

  • Focus on spiritual disciplines; feed the soul as well as the body
  • Ease of commercialization for biohacks, cookbooks, etc.
  • Things that are free are just as important as expensive products

-The most important biohacking metrics when it comes to stress and anxiety…52:02

-The importance of having a health coach…56:15

-Embracing suffering to bring joy…1:00:09

  • Enjoy Mondays as much as Fridays
  • Ben takes every Sunday off (needs a recovery day)
  • Ikigai 2.0
  • Work hard, play hard
  • Christian hedonism

-Ben Greenfield's message of hope for the future…1:05:17

-And much more…

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

– Steve Stavs:

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3 thoughts on “The Lost Art of Storytelling, Why We Should Love Mondays As Much As Fridays, Why You Need A Health Coach & More With Made To Thrive Founder Steve Stavs.

  1. David says:

    Hi Ben, very nice interview. The question about fear was kind of surprising. It reminds me of my conversation with Michael Roesslein for my own podcast. I believe that unresolved (and unknown) trauma can trigger our conscious and/or unconscious motivation. Take a look at its platform … his story and work may really interest you (he was also the co-producer of back in 2018.

  2. Marko says:

    Steve is unbelievably gifted… Thanks for sharing Ben!

    1. Ben Greenfield says:

      glad you enjoyed it Marko

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