[Transcript] – The Ultimate Eastern Medicine Approach To Lyme, Epstein-Barr, Parasites, Viruses, Gut Issues & More With Dr. Chris Motley

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[00:00:00] Introduction

[00:00:54] Who is Dr. Christopher Motley?

[00:04:54] How did Dr. Christopher get into frequency therapy?

[00:08:32] A typical scenario in Dr. Christopher's office

[00:16:12] Other examination

[00:19:36] The Lyme Disease

[00:23:35] The Epstein-Barr virus

[00:27:13] The quality and effects of herbs

[00:30:22] Removing parasites from the body

[00:35:45] Hidden infections of the stomach

[00:40:40] Herpes viruses

[00:42:33] Ionic foot baths

[00:43:51] Ben's ad for the house

[00:45:31] Technologies, tools, and supplements

[00:49:42] Moving practices

[00:54:51] Dietary principles

[00:58:04] Spiritual practices

[01:01:29] Sleep patterns

[01:04:43] End of Podcast

[01:05:44] Legal Disclaimer

Ben:  My name is Ben Greenfield. And, on this episode of the Ben Greenfield Life podcast.

Christopher:  People come in and say, “Hey, I had strep when I was a kid five times a year.” And, they said, “Well, I took an antibiotic and it went away sometimes.” I was like, “I hate to say this, but from the evidence I get, let's go get another test.” And, I'll get deeper tests from MicroGenDX, and they'll still have six or seven strands of strep still.

Ben:  Wow.

Christopher:  And, when they have it, their tonsils stay infected in their area behind their nose. I spend, I think, half of my patients clearing out old strep.

Ben:  Fitness, nutrition, biohacking, longevity, life optimization, spirituality, and a whole lot more. Welcome to the Ben Greenfield Life show. Are you ready to hack your life? Let's do this.

I just got done with a long walk outside with a real cool guy, Dr. Chris Motley. Chris is well-versed in Eastern medicine. He specializes in things like acupuncture, kinesiology, allergy and sensitivity therapy, Lyme, Epstein-Barr, parasites, H. pylori, salmonella, streptococcus. This dude is a wizard. He flew out to my house. We hung out for a couple of days. He's a real deal. He practices what he preaches. Incredibly knowledgeable and you're just going to love today's show. The shownotes are going to be rich and juicy. Check them all out at BenGreenfieldLife.com/Motley. And, get ready for me and Chris going for a long walk. You're going to love this one.

Well, we've had a pretty good morning so far, Chris. You sore it all from the workout. You feeling okay?

Christopher:  Feeling pretty good, but I can definitely feel that it's taking its effect though, brother.

Ben:  Yeah. We did the usual morning at the Greenfield house. We did a little morning stretch and then some Bible reading and prayer. Then, we moved into some breath work in the sauna using the Othership app, about 20 minutes of Wim Hof style breathwork, cold plunge, and some kettlebells and a little Metcon workout in the gym with, of course, the icing on the cake being the smoothie; little raw liver, vanilla whey protein, some coconut water, cacao nibs, goodies on top of that. So, I'll charge it up here for a little walking podcast [00:02:28] _____ Spokane. Yeah.

So, for those you listening in, I'm going to put all the shownotes at BenGreenfieldLife.com/Motley, Chris's last name, M-O-T-L-E-Y. Looks like we got somebody carving up sticks with a chainsaw so you guys get to hear some of the action in the background, but we'll be past that pretty soon.

So, Chris, I'm just curious. You and I have connected a few times. We had dinner in Nashville. I think even remember you were taking my pulse at dinner to analyze my constitution or something like that. Maybe we'll get into that later on. But, sitting next to you on an airplane and didn't know that much about you, how would you describe what you're doing, what kind of doctor you actually are?

Christopher:  Well, first of all, thanks so much for having me, brother. I really appreciate being here and have the opportunity. And yes, when people come in, I always tell them I am a chiropractic doctor but also got my doctorate, specialized in clinical kinesiology, which is basically trying just to use the muscle function of the body to assess what's going on internally. So, I got my diplomate in acupuncture. I'm certified in acupuncture in Chinese medicine.

Ben:  What's a diplomate?

Christopher:  Diplomate means you get as about as much hours in practice as somebody who would get a doctorate in acupuncture itself.

Ben:  Okay.

Christopher:  So, you do quite a bit of extra hours in training outside of your actual chiropractic kinesiology training. So, I went down the route of Chinese medicine and Eastern medicine.

And, what do I normally do with patients that come in, how do I assess? Well, I would describe it as more based in frequency medicine or frequency therapy. So, that's how I describe what I would do.

Ben:  Frequency medicine. Interesting.

Christopher:  I know we've talked about it before, but I assess what acupuncture meridians are not flowing properly if they're blocked. And, that's what most acupuncturists do, but I use biofeedback devices in the office to try my best to assess which frequency output may be coming from the blocked meridian. And, there are ways to identify the frequency ranges of that blockage, which may give me a reference to what is blocking it.

Ben:  Okay, a lot there. So, I actually want to return to that, but before we do, how did you actually get into this in the first place? Were you raised in a house that was in alternative medicine or Chinese traditional medicine or something like that?

Christopher:  Two things. I won't make it too long, but I will say that–

Ben:  It's okay, we got time. Look at this long empty road ahead of us, brother.

Christopher:  Well, my dad was really good friends with the chiropractor in his town and he was a drill sergeant. And, my dad has bone-on-bone in the back, so he's going to have back surgery.

Ben:  Okay.

Christopher:  And so, he was prevented of having surgery by going to his friend, and I thought it was always unusual because he would always tell me his back was hurting and one day he's like, “No, I don't have to have back surgery.” Found out it was a chiropractor, thought it was so interesting. And then, my brother had bad allergies. He didn't have to get allergy shots anymore because he got his upper neck fixed by the same doctor. So, I was introduced to it and that always maybe intrigued.

Another thing that came into my mind was when I was younger, I thought I knew I wanted the route to help people and care for people. I don't know why, but I remember my mom, she's Korean, I'm half Korean with Chinese background in her bloodline, and when I got into this type of work, she told me that my great uncles, some my great uncles and distant uncles lived in the hills of Korea and they did herbs and Chinese medicine.

Ben:  Oh, wow.

Christopher:  And so, I asked her–

Ben:  In blood.

Christopher:  Yeah, it was in my blood. I didn't know why I could make my hands heat up when I was a kid. I could make them get hot when I wanted to. And, I always thought it was unusual and she told me that they never really go see them up in the mountains because all the rest of the family thought they were kind of odd and unusual. So, I never got to meet them. And, that's how I got into it. It's my blood and I think, which is a big interest. But, I've had personal experiences with frequency medicine that made me a believer too.

Ben:  Like what?

Christopher:  Before I went to school into actual chiropractic school, I got rear-ended and to the point where you go to school, they gave you a clinician to keep working on you. And, I'd get worked on, but my neck would always keep going out. And so, I went to a friend of mine who did the type of work that I employ now and he said, “It's not really your neck. You really have a sludgy gallbladder. Your gallbladder is sick.” And, I was like, “I didn't know what he meant by that.”

Ben:  It's kind of a weird connection.

Christopher:  It is. The gallbladder meridian in Chinese medicine runs down the side of the neck around your ear and down the side of the neck. So, he said it's not stable because the muscles don't get enough electrical flow because the gallbladder is stagnant. So, he worked on all the acupuncture meridian points, and I felt after two days brother, I went to rigor mortis. My neck and my whole body felt kind of stiff but sore. But, after that point, I didn't have to have my neck adjusted again. It stayed in place.

Ben:  And, why does it get stiff and sore?

Christopher:  Because all the electrical patterns in the body. There's a couple things that electricity does. It helps your arteries flow. So, electricity is actually helping your arteries pump and it also helps the lymph node. So, if you don't have enough electrical flow, they work hand in hand; lymph, blood, and electrical flow. And, if they're stagnant in certain areas, now that's another point of discussion, it will make the area stiff. The muscles won't contract properly.

Ben:  Okay, interesting. But then, when you get adjusted, there's a period of stiffness afterward. Is that the body getting used to the new electrical flow or something like that?

Christopher:  Yes, because after a while, it's like waking up an area that's been dead for a while. And so, whenever you start to put more electrical flow, the fascia usually has to unwind a bit. And, if you got lymph that's blocked, you're going to put a lot of electricity into that lymph. It'll take it a few days just to get that thing pumping and pulling more of the toxins out of the area.

Ben:  Okay, interesting.

Alright. So, back to this initial analysis. Let's say I were to walk into your office and you're going to start to investigate me as a new patient to figure out what's going on. You mentioned frequency testing. I think you mentioned biofeedback and you mentioned kinesiology or muscle testing. Walk me through what a typical scenario would look like.

Christopher:  Definitely the first thing I would do is I would do like we call a pulse point like we did before when I saw you and I take small devices. One that I usually simply use is called a Pulse Point Finder. But, there are many devices I use to check certain points on the body that gives me an idea of what the main organs are doing. So, I use biofeedback devices that basically are put on the point, gives me an indication of how much electricity is flowing through the meridian, which tells me how big the–

Ben:  Okay, this biofeedback device, this is literally picking up an electrical signal.

Christopher:  It is.

Ben:  Okay.

Christopher:  And, the thing about the extra steps I take, my mentor. Dr. Dowdy, he made a small device and it's basically called a resonator. It's nothing very special about the resonator, but it's made out of a material that's very static-sensitive. So, when I assess you, I use the small pointer. It's an electrical device, but then I use my own skin to touch each point. And, at times, if the voltage or the static in your skin is blocked from a problem in that meridian point, it'll pass it to me. And so, my skin texture changes in response to you. And, on the small device, you can rub this device and that little piece of basically material will pick up on the static change and it'll cause my hand to stick on the material so I become the grounding rod.

Ben:  Yeah, I'm familiar with this. I've experienced this twice. I have a device back in the gym back home called The Neubie by NeuFit. And, it allows you to electrically map muscles that have poor electrical function or that are turned off so to speak. And, you can actually apply a glove to your hand with one electrode and the other electrode is placed in an area of muscle tissue. You actually feel through your hand when you get to sections that are putting off a different level of electricity. And then, I also went down to the Bioenergetic Institute in Kentucky, and another guy named Dr. Jeremy Stich. I don't know if you've heard of him before.

Christopher:  I've heard of him, yes.

Ben:  He did a very similar electrical mapping on me, but he was using PEMF frequencies to actually treat the areas with PEMF through his hand because he was grounded as he worked on me. So, it sounds to me like you're doing something kind of similar but you're identifying almost traditional acupuncture points or what you call meridians.

Christopher:  Meridians, yes.

Ben:  That are blocked and you can actually feel that through your hand.

Christopher:  You can feel it through the hand and the device. And, no matter what really material that you're placing your hand on to use as a grounding rod, that piece of material will tell me that, they call it a drag coefficient on the skin, if I hit that point, it'll actually cause my texture of skin to change.

Ben:  Wow.

Christopher:  And, when I find it, the next point would be, what does that tell me about the person? It could just say that the point's blocked, right?

Ben:  Right.

Christopher:  But, what does it say? Okay. Well, it would tell me that the organs blocked. That in itself though, brother, tells me that I know what symptomatology that person has just by which organ is in balance from that point.

The next step would be, with the technique, is to use what we call hand molding. And, some people think it looks unusual, unorthodox, but the concept is that our bones are piezoelectric crystals. So, our bones are basically conductors of frequency. Like when we do a yoga pose, why do we do it in a certain position is because we attract a certain frequency from the environment to help with nourishing the kidneys or nourishing the heart.

Ben:  Okay.

Christopher:  You can put your hands in certain configurations, and that hand mode, antenna mode, will attract frequencies that may exist in that person to attach to the hand mode. So, it actually uses your hand as an antenna. And, when it amplifies the signal into my hand, my skin texture changes in response to you. And, I can actually find out why that little point is basically blocked. So, I find the point I can scan for. Hopefully, we find frequencies of yeast, mold, bacteria, viruses. And so, it doesn't tell me–

Ben:  This is through your hands not using a device?

Christopher:  Through my hands, yes.

Ben:  Oh, wow.

Christopher:  And so, there's certain frequency ranges that my mentor started to calculate to find out, okay, well, yeast exists from 400 nanometers to 425.

Ben:  Okay.

Christopher:  And so, we can't say it is gospel truth that this is what's happening, but at least it gives me an idea. And then, I send off for further testing if that's what they need like yeast testing or mold testing or parasite testing.

Ben:  Why would you use your hands instead of using a more precise tool like a biofeedback device?

Christopher:  That is a great question, brother. In fact, that's what my mentor has been working on because when you talked about your friend grounding himself, the problem us practitioners is that I would rather see in the future to have a device that's more precise in frequency ranges because there's only so much practitioner like myself could scan because I can only scan a certain amount of frequencies to what I've experienced.

Ben:  Right.

Christopher:  And so, if you have a machine–

Ben:  Oh, I see, because you felt certain conditions but you haven't felt them all.

Christopher:  Exactly. If there's a thousand frequencies that deal with yeast, and I only have encountered 20 of them, I can only scan for 20 of them.

Ben:  Yeah.

Christopher:  And so, that's, they say, the problem. And, when I don't ground out on a grounding pad, I become the grounding. It stays in my system. And so, that's another issue when you've done it for so long.

Ben:  Wait, what do you mean it stays in your system? Like, you get the same condition?

Christopher:  You can. You can actually resonate. The reason that you'd feel, for instance–

Ben:  You get the same condition or you get the effects of the same condition?

Christopher:  The same effects. That's right. The effects or the symptomatology.

Ben:  Like somebody's not going to pass a parasite onto you, but you'd feel some of the same energetic frequencies in your body.

Christopher:  Exactly. If they had cyst of giardia lamblia and, for heaven's sake, if you had one in your body that was dormant and you started to resonate with that frequency, it'll send a little wakeup call in your body and it'll start waking up other parasites. So, sometimes I've had patients come in and they'll have a chronic cough, and this is happened to me my first year, and I would be going home and driving and all of a sudden, I start coughing. And, I'd be like, “Man, why am I coughing like this?”

Ben:  Weird.

Christopher:  And, I kept having those things. And, it was based upon when I was scanning something I would really scan for like, “Oh, here's a parasite in the gut.” Next two days, I start feeling it. And so, I think my body toughened up over the years. And, when I started really doing detox cleansing, I really helped protect my body, but it is one of the questions. I agree with you, I think having those machines is the way of the future to be more precise, to find the exact location and to kill off the frequencies of the infections and the microbes by using the device.

Ben:  And, how far out are we from those devices being available, like commercially available or available to physicians like you?

Christopher:  I think if all goes to plan, I think there's already many that I've seen that are overseas in Europe. I just got one of my patients went to Poland and she has a device that does the exact same things and they put probes like you've seen before. But, they literally can take the frequency of that infection and invert it, make it the out-of-phase wave and we'll send it back into the patient. So, they already gotten the devices to kill them off.

Ben:  Oh, so they'll detect the frequency, then send the frequency back?

Christopher:  They'll do that. And, there's another device that I can't really talk too much about now, but my mentor is going to be involved with it. But, there are devices like you have with your glove that picks up on the drag coefficient of the skin. Like, you're feeling the pain, nociceptors through the glove. Well, there's devices now that they'll be able to go over the skin. If you guys are listening, the stickiness of the skin because of the texture change because of the electrical patterns, and it will pick up and make an algorithm to tell you what's going on and be able to send frequencies back in to clean up the infection.

Ben:  Oh, my gosh. This is super interesting. So, the analysis using these electrical frequencies, is that the only thing that you do, or are you looking at other things? Are other elements of your of your intake when you get a new patient or somebody's got a health issue?

Christopher:  Yes. When I look at the frequencies, you can't just stop there. So, if you came in and I was picking up on different patterns of organs, that to me tells the story of the psychological arena of the patient, which makes me aware of how they'll cleanse the infection. So, if you came in and you had a kidney points that were blocked, and let's say the kidney points were resonating with creations of resonance with parasites or yeast or mold, okay, we go and clean them out. But, if I also found that the heart reading was not working at 100%, it's the two combined in Chinese medicine, the kidneys feed the heart. And so, I can't go ahead and just say, “Oh, I'm going to kill off the yeast and mold and parasites in your kidney,” I had to find out why your heart's fatigued as well. Because if you do it out of order, if you don't do something in the proper order, they'll have high amounts of herx reactions.

So, I have to make basically a connection of the interweb of all the organs and determine from your symptomatology. Like you come and say, “Chris, I am urinating all the time. I have dark circles around my eyes.” And, you give me all the signs which refer to the kidney. I normally say, “Let's start with the kidney” but I have to make that determination. So, there's a lot of things, especially organ imbalance, signs and symptoms from the organ imbalance, and find out which one's priority.

Ben:  How do you know which order to go in?

Christopher:  That's the clinician's expertise, but the system I use does have what we call a priority system. So, the technique allows me to use the hand molding, the antenna hand molding to find out which problem is priority. So, I can lock them in like on a computer screen and I could say, “Okay, there's three things here, three acupuncture points.” We call it pause locking it into the system. And, when you do that, you can use a hand mold to find out which one's priority.

Over the years, this is how you can tell, I can feel which point is the most blocked just from my hand. I can feel it. I know that's the priority. You don't necessarily need the hand mold as much anymore, but I've been able to experience it. You can just feel it.

Ben:  When we were having dinner, you just had your hand on my pulse, on my wrist, and I was kind of talking with people not paying much attention, then I think you lean back and said something like I was good to go or something like that. But, were you actually using that technique or was that something different like a pulse check?

Christopher:  Yes. It's a pulse check but you intertwine. And, after a while, I can feel with–and many of the practitioners out there can do this. So, I'm not saying it's anything special but they can already feel the amount of voltage that's built up in those points, but also using the hand molds to discern what was causing that organ to basically be imbalance. But, you use so much good detox. You're a pretty clean guy, honestly.

Ben:  Yeah, you were jumping up and down on the trampoline with me this morning. I do the trampoline. I do a lot of lymph tapping kind of Perry Nichols big six, lymph tapping. Even once a week, I'll do coffee enema and a deep sauna sweat, even a breathwork. You get some amount of detoxification through breath, through sweat, through stool. So, yeah, try to stay somewhat clean, especially with all my travel and everything.

Now, didn't you yourself have a condition? I think it was Lyme.

Christopher:  I had Lyme disease, yes. 

Ben:  I was just very curious about your approach to something like that. What'd you do?

Christopher:  Lyme disease, I got it when I was 13 or 14 and I didn't know it. 31 years of age. This is when I a few years in practice. I almost passed out on the patient. And, through investigation, finally found out I had Lyme disease. Everybody's telling me I just had adrenal stress. You may have thyroid issues. Found all the infections. My approach was–

Ben:  How'd you find them?

Christopher:  I did blood work. With a lot of the blood work, did not find it as much as I wish it had. It told me I had some infections. Went the standard route of the normal Lyme testing, nothing there. And then, I went to a friend of mine who runs a big Lyme infection place in Wisconsin and he did frequency test and he goes, “Well, you have adrenal stress,” he says, “but they won't find on blood work,” he says, “but you got heavy amounts of Lyme.”

Ben:  Wow.

Christopher:  You can do extra testing now through iGenex, Vibrant Wellness. There's ones that are more specific and you find the small microbes because there's over hundred different types of babesia, probably more than that now. And, they only test for 10 different strands or species. So, found that and I was about to quit practice. I couldn't hardly stand up. My legs were so weak. Basically, I started to use the herbals that I got from my friend, Dr. Allan Lindsley who you should meet. He's a really great guy. He created his own tinctures, did those for almost a year and a half, cleaned everything out. And then, I really shorted up with methylation supplementation, which is liver methylation strategies off my genetics.

So, I used my genetics to find out why I could not absorb and assimilate vitamin B. You talked about it. Got those in accordance with my herbs and I started to heal up. 

Ben:  So, it's kind of an herbal antimicrobial type of protocol combined with methylation support?

Christopher:  Yes, yes. And, the process when we were going through it is, in my own practice, I had to use frequency to find out the priority ways to approach how to get rid of my own Lyme because everybody's so specific and so different. So, I can't personally use a lot of vitamin B at the very beginning. And then, after about three months of doing methylation, my body picked up and started absorbing more. So, yes, that's exactly how I did it.

Ben:  Interesting. Did you work in much natural methylated vitamins from organ meat extracts or anything like that?

Christopher:  Yes. Yeah. I really got it more into organ extract meats because exactly I was trying to figure out how a person could get it naturally because you know as well as I do, each supplement line is so different. Not everyone's going to be able to assimilate one company to the other.

Ben:  Yeah, interesting. So, is that the approach that you would currently use if someone came into your office and you found Lyme, would be similar to that?

Christopher:  Yes. I think as I gotten older in it, I really am more prone if with the techniques I use is to find out the organ imbalances and the emotions that the person has and how they will actually get rid of the infection. Because psychological and emotional aspect determines how they will process it. When I do find it through frequency medicine, I do like to start treating it but I would send them off to get a couple labs, different labs first to see which species I'm dealing with.

Ben:  Okay. So, you can actually identify the Lyme species. You said you use Vibrant Wellness or other labs.

Christopher:  Vibrant Wellness, iGenex, DNA connexXions with an X.

Ben:  Okay. DNA connexXions is to see their methylation status.

Christopher:  Yes. But, they also have a really good tick-borne. And, there's another, my friend Dr. J Dunn, she has one called My Happy Genes. It's a really neat name, but she tests for over 500 different genes to tell you about how to detox properly.

Ben:  Oh, wow. Okay. I'll hunt down links of these if you guys listening in. I'll put a link to some of these panels in the shownotes at BenGreenfieldLife.com/Motley.

Now, Lyme is one chronic health condition. There are others that I know people wind up a lot of times turning to alternative practitioners like yourself for. Epstein-Barr, how similar is that to Lyme?

Christopher:  Epstein-Barr now has been associated with Lyme disease, but it's one of the infections now that we almost classified that if you have Lyme disease, you're going to find Epstein-Barr almost about 85 to 90% of the time I find somebody with Lyme. I'll find that they even have heavier sources of Epstein-Barr in their body interestingly. 

Ben:  So, what's the difference between in Lyme and Epstein-Barr.

Christopher:  Epstein-Barr is a Class 4 herpes virus, I believe, and it basically will incorporate into your cells, into your DNA and one of your cells can make a million of theirs. So, they replicate to the point and when they're in danger, they'll pop open the cell.

Ben:  Be careful who you kiss.

Christopher:  I'm telling you. If you find people with cold sores or cankers, I'm not trying to sound negative but you have to be careful.

Ben:  Yeah.

Christopher:  If you think a person has cold sores all the time, they can do that. And, in fact, that's why they get the chronic fatigue syndrome. So, some people get Epstein-Barr when they're young and get chronically fatigue, maybe not through a tick bite but then they may have a small borrelia bacteria, babesia parasite from a tick bite and they'll grow because all their cells have been infected. You think about it somebody been infected with Epstein-Barr for 10 years and one cell creates a million.

Ben:  Yeah, they're overrun.

Christopher:  It's overrun.

Ben:  I didn't realize that it kind of exponentially almost multiplies.

Interesting. So, when you see that, what's your strategy for something like Epstein-Barr?

Christopher:  Usually with Epstein-Barr virus, I start with heavy herbals that are specifically for Epstein-Barr. There's two that come into mind. I really like Chinese isatis or called woad and I like Japanese knotweed. The reason being is because when it's so ingrained and so deep, it'll hide. And so, in Chinese medicine, we use those two on a nice steady dose to start to accentuate to pull the Epstein-Barr virus out. Then, whenever I start to see that the numbers come up because I worked on people with Epstein-Barr for a year or two years, they'll still have IGG markers because it's so deep in their cells. 

Ben:  Meaning their immune system is still reacting to the EBV.

Christopher:  Completely. And, even if their present active forms don't seem like they're up, I still have to work on those hidden ones. So, with Epstein-Barr, it's getting them on a few herbs and use frequency medicine to find out which ones are specific for them. But then, I have to go into the heavy hitters. I usually find enzymes that are taking off the viruses' coating. And, you had to do that in steady dosage and pulse them.

Ben:  Is this like the same type of proteolytic enzymes you might use to break down biofilm for parasites?

Christopher:  It's almost similar, yeah, like monolauric acid and you can use those same types of enzymes, yes.

Ben:  Okay.

Christopher:  And, once you get them broken open, then it's really a matter of cat and mouse because once you get a majority of Epstein-Barr because most people say you can't get rid of it, the hardest part because if tissue is infected and it's been stagnant in one area, you're constantly having to open up those areas. So, I use the enzymes, I use herbs, but I always use methylation processes. I will use their DNA test, their genetic testing. And, what I'm trying to do is get their vitamin D receptors to turn on their vitamin B processing liver because if I get their mitochondria to absorb that vitamin D, they'll fight the virus itself. And, I've seen great results doing that.

Ben:  And, the enzymes, by the way, are those breaking down biofilm or doing something else when it comes to EBV?

Christopher:  Usually they'll break down the biofilms that hold a lot of the bacteria and parasites that hold the EBV because that's the problem we have.

Ben:  Okay. So, you're breaking on the biofilm, then you're using herbals like knotweed or woad and then you're using methylation support along with DNA testing.

Christopher:  Yes.

Ben:  Interesting. How about the herbs? How do you know whether or not the herbs are good? What's a quality source?

Christopher:  I like Supreme Nutrition products and there's many good ones out there. So, people listening, I like a lot of them. But, Supreme Nutrition products is I know the owners, Dr. Lebowitz, Michael, and Noah, and they really look for good sources. Make sure there's no radiation or toxins or metals in them. And so, when I go to the sources I've looked all over, and when I found their products, that was the products I stuck with. 

So, how do I know which ones are the best? I do use frequency medicine, some muscle testing, but in also in acupuncture. You can measure the voltage off somebody's skin when it's very blocked. If somebody came in with Epstein-Barr and their heart was really blocked, their kidneys really blocked, you can literally put, people might not agree with this like who do standard muscle testing or electrical skin activity monitoring, but you can take the product and put it in the person's mouth and that skin will just be smooth as silk. It'll flow.

Ben:  Oh, wow. Interesting. Wow. Is there a reason that that would happen just the taste of it or having it in the mouth?

Christopher:  They say that gustatory smell and even when you go into the nerves around the facial nerve and the hypoglossal nerves around the mouth, they say that it's just the interaction of the frequency of the actual herb. Even if it's still in the capsule, that changes the response of the nervous system. So, it really is a matter of how is their nervous system responding to the frequency that they just put in their mouth. Because Chinese medicine doctors will tell you this, “It is the herb but it's the energy of the herb.”

Ben:  Yeah.

Christopher:  Usually whenever we go to a restaurant, I know you do the same brother, you go into an area or go and you look at a menu, you go, “I can eat that. I can't eat that.” But, I would literally can get to a food and I can smell it and I'll go, “I can't eat that.”

And, I was reading a report about they say gustatory old factory senses and gustatory response that your brain and your body already automatically knows which enzymes have to be produced by ingesting the food you just smelled. And so, that's why you have that autonomic response to the actual food and you go, “Oh, that's going to make me feel sick.” Well, that's what happens to the skin. The skin will tense up and they call it a galvanic skin response. And so, the skin will actually pucker when you look at a food or taste it and your nervous system says, “Don't do that” because it's like a light detector test. The galvanic skin, they'll tell you something and your skin just responds. So, your skin is responding to the taste. So, the gut instinct, do not ever ignore that.

Ben:  Wow, chalk one up for mindful eating and taking some out of the fridge or ordering at a restaurant, doing maybe some smelling and some praying and some feeling before you dive in. Probably chalk one down for fast food, huh? You just don't know.

Christopher:  We got this thing at our office and it's got a McDonald's meal from 2016 and it hasn't broken down yet.

Ben:  Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't know exactly how that works, but I've heard that before. I haven't tried that experiment myself. Yeah.

So, how about another kind of stealth infection you see a lot? I mentioned earlier parasites, what do you do about parasites? What's your approach to that?

Christopher:  I say parasites are some of the toughest. People will take a lot of parasites supplements. Number one thing I do that you just talked about is I assess for biofilms. I asked the patient if they had mucus in their bowel movements, if they had foam, if they have random stabbing cramps. Yes, you clean up the parasites with wormwood, black walnut, vidanga, artemisia. You can use combinations, but you have to get the biofilms cleaned up and you have to break them open. So, you can actually find if there's hidden parasites. So, I use those herbs I just mentioned, but I'll use different types of enzymes like nattokinase. I'll use lumbrokinase. I'll use different types of enzymes that will actually break it open, actually come out so I can kill them off even more.

Ben:  Yeah. What do you think about that silkworm enzyme, the serrapeptase? The reason I ask is I have this company, Kion. We have one called Flex that's for muscle soreness to break down fibrinogen and things like that. But, it's got a lot of these serrapeptase, a lot of those type of enzymes in it.

Christopher:  It's perfect because serrapeptase, one of the things like when you say whenever you have plasmin or any type of plasminogen, you have those coagulation anti-coagulation factors. Another thing is it's perfect because we know that those blood fragments, if those blood parasites like babesia or malaria break open those red blood cells, they'll actually hold the parasites in those blood fragments. So, using those things actually cleans up the arteries, but the blood cells that are deteriorated can actually act like a biofilm. So, using serrapeptase, different types of enzymes are pretty much the biggest thing I do for parasites breaking up old coagulated blood and breaking up biofilms, then using antiparasitic herbs and then doing methylation with DNA testing.

Ben:  Yeah. When I got back from India a couple of months ago, I was doing six of the Kion Flex morning, six evening, and then oil of oregano three times a day just because it's pretty tough to come back from a country like that, and not have some kind of critter in your gut. And, my gut was actually kind of funny. And so, that's what I did. I felt fine after that. It wasn't as advanced as some of the herbals that you use, but oregano is pretty decent for parasites, isn't it?

Christopher:  It is. It is. I love oregano. It's probably one of the strongest. I always tell people, be careful on oregano. It's so strong. 

Ben:  My mom burnt her mouth. She actually grabbed the 100%. I was in the pantry and I use an 8:1 dilution. And man, yeah, she had a burn for weeks.

Christopher:  8:1?

Ben:  Yeah, yeah, even 8:1's pretty strong. I put a whole dropper full in a glass of water. I don't put it straight into my mouth.

But, what are some other conditions that you tend to regularly see or treat these days?

Christopher:  Well, I would say those are some of the top. I'll see Lyme, parasites, and Epstein-Barr virus. Another one that I'll say that's a hidden epidemic to me is I see tons of hidden strep, especially kids.

Ben:  Really?

Christopher:  Oh, yes. Strep when they have the evidence in the spread of pandas or pans where they have the toxicities, the neurotoxicity from hidden strep and staff.

Ben:  And, what's pandas?

Christopher:  Pandas is where the toxicity from strep has gotten into the brain and cause severe inflammation in the brain.

Ben:  So, it's like streptococcus in your neural tissue.

Christopher:  Exactly. So, if you got strep pyogenes, mutans, if you had mitis or if you have those strep strands in your body, most time we think they're gone because people come in and say, “Hey, I had strep when I was a kid five times a year.” And, they said, “Well, I took an antibiotic and it went away sometimes.” It's like, I hate to say this, but from the evidence I get, let's go get another test. And, I'll get deeper tests from MicroGenDX and they'll still have six or seven strands of strep still.

Ben:  Wow.

Christopher:  And, when they have it, their tonsils stay infected and the area behind their nose, their adenoids. And so, that's one of the biggest things I have to fix, especially kids with eczema or the bumps around their ears or they have the swollen lymph nodes in their armpits. And, adults too, I spend, I think, majority of half my patients clearing out old strep.

Ben:  Wow. And, what's the test you said you do for that?

Christopher:  MicroGenDX with a G.

Ben:  MicroGenDX.

Christopher:  DX. And, what they do, it's in Texas and they don't just test for five different strep, they test for 50,000 different microbe strains.

Ben:  Wow.

Christopher:  And so, I had a patient in Las Vegas and she was telling me all their stuff on a virtual call and I said, “You got a kidney infection.” She goes, “No, no, the doctor said I didn't have it.” I said, “I'm telling you everything you're telling me, you have it.” She sent it to MicroGenDX, she had seven different strands. She had five different strep and two different types of E. coli.

Ben:  Jeez. How do you clean something like that up, strep?

Christopher:  Strep is really like if you use different, I like–and there's three herbs I say if you guys are listening, three herbs. Morinda, which is noni.

Ben:  Okay.

Christopher:  Malia, which is [00:35:24] _____.

Ben:  Oh, noni. I got a bunch of noni honey from Kauai Farmacy in the pantry.

Christopher:  It's so good. Neem or coptis, Chinese coptis.

Ben:  Noni, neem, that's N-E-E-M, right, or coptis?

Christopher:  It's Chinese golden thread. And, those will kill off strep. But, for a little kid though, if they're pretty sensitive, go with Chinese skullcap. Skullcap will clean it off.

Ben:  Okay, got it. What about besides strep, what else do you see?

Christopher:  The next biggest one would be the hidden infections of the stomach, which is H. pylori and salmonella. And, as common as people may think that sounds, people have hidden H. pylori and salmonella and sometimes E. coli to the point where they create biofilms. They create a ton of biofilms. And, most people that have indigestion, GERD, heartburn, that will stick around and cause hiatal hernia diaphragm issues. So, people start having heart issues because the infections make its way into the heart and into the lung tissue. That's the next biggest one.

Ben:  Wow.

Christopher:  I'll throw this one in there too, but one of the biggest is not just classifying one but herpes viruses; herpes simplex, human herpes virus 1 and 2.

Ben:  That's different than the Epstein-Barr.

Christopher:  Eppstein-Barr is a form of herpes virus, but these other viruses like cytomegalovirus or roseola virus, you ever seen kids with red cheeks, slap cheek?

Ben:  Yeah, yeah.

Christopher:  You ask those patients if even when they were kid they had that. It's like, yeah, and those infections get within the gums, they get in the teeth, they get in the roots along with the infections. But, I spend a lot of time as well cleaning just herpes viruses out.

Ben:  Interesting. Back to the gut stuff. You said H. pylori, what was the other one, streptococcus?

Christopher:  Salmonella.

Ben:  Or salmonella, yeah.

Christopher:  And some E. coli.

Ben:  Yeah, what do you do about those type of issues in the gut?

Christopher:  Usually, I use mastic gum.

Ben:  Oh, yeah.

Christopher:  Aloe vera.

Ben:  Yeah. I've got some mastic gum I chew sometimes.

Christopher:  Oh, yeah.

Ben:  I learned about it from Dean Karnazes, the Ultra Runner. Used it to keep his mouth salivated and his appetite satiated during long runs. I didn't find out later the effects that it has on H. pylori.

Christopher:  Oh, it'll help clean up and you got to break up the film with the mastic gum.

Ben:  Not really the gum, more like the capsules or a supplement, but yeah.

Christopher:  Oh, yeah. I mean, with those, I always say B vitamin absorption is going to be at an all-time low. So, some people will say, take B1 and certain types of B vitamins to help get the acids higher, so it kills off. But, if they say now that those infections get into the lining and reduce your HCL pumps, they kill them off.

So, like I say, mastic gum, aloe vera, some forms of licorice, DGL, but again noni. Noni, to me, will help clean a lot of that up.

Ben:  Wow. And noni, how would you consume, is like a supplement or an herb or like a tea?

Christopher:  Yeah. I would do supplement. Its officially name is Morinda, Morinda Supreme by Supreme Nutrition. What they do is they take the fruit and its bitter and they shave the outer shell. And that bitterness–

Ben:  Yeah, smells like a dirty sock.

Christopher:  Oh, it is. It's horrible smelling, but it'll kill parasites too.

Ben:  Yeah. Wow, interesting. Now, would you use the same approach for the salmonella or is that different?

Christopher:  No, I use the same because you'll usually find that these microbes I just mentioned, neem, noni, and the coptis, they're antimicrobial. They'll kill yeast, mold, viruses, parasites, Lyme. They'll kill a lot of things.

Ben:  Wow, interesting. And, by the way, for those you listening in, don't worry my shownotes producers going to have a lot of work on their hands because we're naming a lot of stuff. Don't worry, I'll put it all on there and Chris will help, so we'll make this a really, really great shownotes for if you're digging through some of these issues.

Now, that one thing that you were mentioning that spread to the brain. I don't remember if you said what you do about that if someone has pandas in relation to, I think you said it was streptococcus.

Christopher:  With that, you have to be very gentle because when you clean it out too fast, the release of the encapsulated, the body will store those infections, extra infections and toxins and they can get worse when you release them. So, this is a case where you have to use herbs that kill off strep and you have to make sure that they have their minerals assessed by a good test and get their minerals on level.

Ben:  You mean a hair tissue mineral analysis or something like that?

Christopher:  Yes, you have to do that. And, they really have to have a good practitioner, a good functional medicine doctor who does know, I mean, methylation processes to do it gently for even young ones because you have to get their liver turned back on and to get the colon. The biggest thing I see with pandas and the parents who have to work with this, they know is that the kids are usually functionally constipated. They'll go a little bit but if you can get a kid to do an enema, coffee enemas, doing some ionic foot baths–

Ben:  What kid doesn't love a good coffee enema?

Christopher:  I literally had a patient, a mom sent me a picture of what her son passed and we were working on parasites. It looked like a tree root coming out.

Ben:  Jeez. And, that's not like mucosal threads, it's actual parasites?

Christopher:  Actual parasites. You could see the worms in it.

Ben:  Oh, gosh. Jeez. Sometimes it's just like mucosal threads. Yeah.

Christopher:  And, I forgot Mucuna. They'll use Mucuna. I'm sorry, not makuna, Mimosa pudica.

Ben:  Yeah, Mimosa pudica.

Christopher:  It will clean up, then it just makes sludge. And so, they'll have mucus plugs.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's the problem is a lot of people will take an antiparasite that's only got Mimosa pudica in it and they're like, “I got parasites.” I'm like, “No, you just lost a bunch of mucus” is what happened.

Christopher:  Yeah.

Ben:  Wow, that's a crazy issue. I wasn't even aware of that.

Now, you mentioned the surge in herpes that you've seen. Are you using the same approach as you used for Epstein-Barr for that or is it something different?

Christopher:  It's usually a little different. I will say that herpes viruses, when I use, I say, Chinese medicine and frequency medicine procedures, they are very different. I love the woad. I said it's antiviral. And, I like skullcap because it has a lot of antiviral capabilities. But really, it has to be where a patient comes in and I just have to assess. I would have to give them different herbs and different ratios.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah.

Christopher:  It's very tough. I had a guy that I just worked on. He's in Dubai and the ayurvedic medicine practitioners are amazing over there. He had one that used this oil concoction. He had it all in his stomach. He had HSV2 and he says he was literally–

Ben:  Herpes simplex virus 2.

Christopher:  And, he said I was literally pulling small clots, little blood out of my skin. My skin pulled it to the surface.

Ben:  Oh, my gosh. And, he was using these Indian ayurvedic herbs?

Christopher:  Ayurvedic herbs. And, I didn't know the combination. I said, whatever that doc's doing, keep doing it.

Ben:  Yeah, jeez.

Christopher:  There's ayurvedic herbs out there that do it. I mean, I use my combinations and they work really well. I believe they do because we get a lot of people cleaned up.

Ben:  Yeah.

Christopher:  But, I'm not going to be that person that says “I know all the herbs.” 

Ben:  Yeah. How does that work when you go to Dubai? People just fly you over to treat them after they find out about you?

Christopher:  Yeah. I work with a lot of patients that are already virtual clients and they were like, “Hey, can you come please help us out in person?” So, I'll go over there. 

Ben:  So, if somebody's listening in, you do tell medicine consults, stuff like that?

Christopher:  I do, yeah.

Ben:  But, you can't actually touch them and do electrical frequency testing or anything like that, they have to come to your office.

Christopher:  No, they usually have to come to the office. Usually with symptomatology assessment, I have them sent a picture of their tongue, their hands, and even sometimes their eyes. And usually, brother, I can get a really good idea of which organs are not even working well.

Ben:  Wow. Now, you mentioned briefly ionic foot baths, some people raise an eyebrow at those and say that it's just an electrical reaction in the water that causes that black or brown or green sludge to form. Is there actually anything to an ionic footbath?

Christopher:  I will say this. From my testing, the people listening, I have seen really big changes in people who have just done one before they were toxic and they come in and all their acupuncture points were smooth. And, I've had patients literally that have had, they'll have this person only has orange. Using the same machine, this person only has black, which is a lot of huge toxin to the colon. Some people have orange from their arthritis. They give you these color patterns. We know that. But, one of the craziest stories, brother, had a patient who had heavy parasites all in her lower legs from my indication. She did once. Oh, strongyloides threadworms will get in your legs and they'll put larvae in there.

Ben:  Oh, my gosh.

Christopher:  She did the foot bath. She took a picture and there are these small worms, tons of them in her water. So, when they say ionic discharge, we know it's like if that's the highest, your toxins will go down towards that little diode in the water and it will actually liquefy and go through your pores and then it resolidifies when it hits the air. So, you'll have different toxins. Now, I'm just saying from my experience, I've seen it work.

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So, do you have any other kind of technologies in your office that you use like frequency generators? We were jumping up and down on the trampoline in front of the BioCharger earlier, by the way, which you're running the right frequencies this morning. Do you use any tools like that?

Christopher:  Yes. To me, the thing I love to use is I say infrared pattern light instruments, which means yes, it's infrared, far and near, which are calculated to do different strobe patterns. And, I also use cold laser therapy with tons of specific frequency just like your frequency generators. And, I use them in concentrated batches because the instruments are smaller.

Now, the cool thing is they're high-powered. What I did find out was that when I held a light source at a specific length from the body in an angle, that's when their nervous system and their acupuncture system would respond because I use biofeedback in their pulse points to find out the length from the body. Because you could hold a light really close and sometimes the body's just like, “Nah, I don't care.”

Ben:  Yeah.

Christopher:  But, you put that at certain length, maybe a foot from the body at a certain angle like 45 degrees, I didn't know why but they would detox so bad from their infections. What I found out was this. When an infection is really deep in your brain or your spinal cord, it creates a frequency bond, a standing wave with the tissue. They say anything that comes into that wave pattern and cuts it will disassociate the infection from the tissue. And, they said infrared light, light therapy can do that and I was like, that's why if you hold at a different angle and length, it will disconnect the bond between the infection and the tissue.

Ben:  So, is it more about the proximity or the angle?

Christopher:  I think it's both, but they say that angles like you ever seen those acupunctures that put a needle that are in an angle?

Ben:  Yeah.

Christopher:  They say upstream or downstream, it has everything to do with it. Because on my little monitors, I use those devices. I use some pretty strong lasers at the office, but they will not make their change on the body unless it's at a specific angle in my opinion.

Ben:  Wow. Yeah, I've got one little LED laser device called the Kineon. It's probably a lot lower powered than what you have, but I like to use it as spot treatments for joints or around the neck for the vagus nerve or for blood radiation after something like methylene blue. But yeah, speaking methylene blue as far as supplements go, do you yourself have certain supplements that are non-negotiables for you that you take on a regular basis?

Christopher:  Yeah. I would say that I do methylene blue. I think you did visit with Dr. Lieurance

Ben:  Yeah.

Christopher:  So, I take some of Dr. Lieurance's methylene blue.

Ben:  Yeah. God bless him. He even injected it in my prostate. He did methylene blue IV. He hangs an IV bag next to these red light panels and does methylene blue IV. He does methylene blue injections like prolotherapy with methylene blue.

Christopher:  Oh, yeah. Yeah. My non-negotiables can be like I say everybody's bioindividual. I go and I have my genetics reading and genetic report. And, I get an update on my methylation supplementation by one of my friends, Dr. Nancy Miller down in Texas. So, I'm saying I get my daily dose of my B vitamins and minerals, getting all those coordinated with my methylation. I do that every three months. Methylene blue, I do certain peptides according to what my body's needs at that time.

Ben:  Okay. And, how do you know which peptides your body needs?

Christopher:  I usually have Dr. Miller test me out for that one. And then, I also try to figure out when you say my non-negotiables, I think to me is fatty acids. I know that many people say you take EFA, but there are certain essential fatty acids with different components like 369 combos that I have to use for me. But, I use a lot of light therapy on myself as well.

Ben:  Okay. What's Dr. Miller testing to know what kind of peptides and supplements or vitamin B complexes you take?

Christopher:  She uses frequency medicine as well, but to me, she's a biochemistry wizard. So, she knows when she reads a genetic report, she can see five, six steps ahead.

Ben:  Wow. What's the name of her practice?

Christopher:  Just Dr. Nancy Miller.

Ben:  Dr. Nancy Miller.

Christopher:  She's really shy, so she goes, “Don't tell more people about me.” I'm like, “I have to.” But, I mean–

Ben:  You just did, unfortunately.

Christopher:  She's a person that does so much for me.

Ben:  Now, how about your movement or your exercise habits? I mean, obviously, I talked to a lot of people who practice Chinese traditional medicine, for example, into tai chi or qigong, you mentioned yoga. But, what does your movement practice look like?

Christopher:  Most of my practice are based in qigong movement practices. And, when we did the breathwork Chinese qigong and mindful, I say prayers and meditation in the morning, five to 10 minutes of breathing with redirection of chi, like moving in certain areas in the body in the morning, and then five minutes of usually standing practice. Grounding in the same way every single day.

Ben:  Okay.

Christopher:  And, I say movement, we did exercise today, but some of mine are usually more core and sort of plyometric because I try to personally focus on my plasticity of my collagen, getting my connective tissue. Because in Chinese medicine, there's always electrical flow through the connected tissue. So, daily, it's stretching the fascia.

Ben:  Okay. Now, the qigong, what's that actually look like?

Christopher:  Qigong is more a dance per se. You know the difference between tai chi and qigong, if you look at the way that qigong movements are, they're very flowy. And, if you look at tai chi–

Ben:  Yeah. Is that kind of sort of what you were doing next to the trampoline this morning?

Christopher:  Yes.

Ben:  Okay.

Christopher:  And, you see tai chi is more of a movement with martial arts.

Ben:  Yeah.

Christopher:  So, to me, it's they say it's the movement in a certain pattern that will allow certain meridians for certain organs to flow the best. So, certain movements in qigong are for the kidney. Certain ones are for the bladder.

Ben:  Okay. Yeah, have you heard of the Five Tibetan longevity exercises before?

Christopher:  Yes.

Ben:  I do those five every morning when I travel. At home, I've got so many other little toys and foam rollers and stuff, I mix it up. And, I think those are specifically designed kind of like you described to target most of the different energy flows through the body.

Christopher:  Yes, yes.

Ben:  You feel fantastic after you do them. I'll sometimes lead group. I'm actually headed down to LA next week to lead a couple of YPO groups and some morning workouts and I'll be taking them through those Five Tibetan Rites as part of the workout because everybody does it. And, I'll use that as a warmup and then start to take them through the calisthenics and push up and squats after that, but everybody just feels like they're turned on after these Tibetan rites.

Christopher:  Oh, I remember one of my good friends, Pat. She ran the acupuncture school I would learn from and she would make us do these tapping patterns and this exercise every morning. She goes, “You want something better than two cups of coffee?” and we would do these tapping patterns, these movements. And, I'm telling you, I'd be like, “I don't know why I don't do this every day.”

Ben:  Yeah. It's easier than jumping into a cold plunge. I'll put a video, by the way, in the shownotes of me walking through the Five Tibetans and how I do them. I'll put them in the shownotes.

Now, the grounding, how did you describe it, like moving breath through your body in a certain way?

Christopher:  Yes. Some people may think it sounds unorthodox or weird, but when we say grounding, they always tell us that in these points on the bottom of the feet, they're called the kidney one. The kidneys act like your battery. So, if the kidneys are weak, if you ever had any type of stage of kidney disease or infectious bladder or UTIs, bladder stones, kidney stones, those are the conditions that could block your kidneys and the grounding. So, they say putting your feet into the earth, but we talk about breathing. I always say you're really literally visualizing that movement of electricity up through those points getting to your kidneys and bladder and breaking it open. So, that's why because you are creating that mindfulness program to say we're going to break up all those infections, all those biofilms to allow your kidneys to work.

Ben:  What's that visualization process actually look like inside your head?

Christopher:  Usually whenever I'm laying down or even just sitting there or even outside is, well, it's when I say relax the shoulder, they say relax the jaw. But, it is like surrender. You tell surrender to allow your tissues to open. So, one of the biggest things we have is that our connective tissue is still blocked. So, when in my head, I am just thinking and creating a program where my tissues are opened at the very bottom of my feet and that my tissues are receptive up in my kidneys, and you'll feel the electricity run right through them.

Ben:  Wow. And, do you ever use nail beds or proprioceptive socks or anything like that to kind of turn on the nerve endings in the feet a little better?

Christopher:  Yeah. I use mats. I use mats with the needle mats and stuff, yeah.

Ben:  Yeah, those acupressure mats. I'll have to show you these Gravity Mind nail beds back at home, actually down that Zen den where you're stretching out in. If you stand on those things for a little while and you step off of them and you feel like you're feeling the ground an entirely new way.

Christopher:  Oh, yeah, yeah.

Ben:  Yeah. And, how about the breath. Is the breath timed in conjunction to that visualization or something different?

Christopher:  Yes. Depending on which organ that you're trying to get the electricity and the chi to move to. Usually, whenever I say I'm focusing on the heart, I'll use different diaphragm movements or diaphragm like how much I push the diaphragm out in the stomach to pull the diaphragm down to get more electricity into my heart.

Ben: Okay.

Christopher:  And so, you do have to use different, and that does come from me like working with practitioners and learning certain things, but there is a pattern of breathwork. When we did the breath work, those are beautiful. they have them on an app now.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah, that Othership app, another good one called the Breath Source. It's fantastic. We might do another one tomorrow morning.

Now, besides the gustatorial oral or the old factory visual sensing of food prior to when you eat it, do you follow a specific diet yourself or dietary principles?

Christopher:  Yes. I had a stomach surgery in 2017 where I had a ruptured ulcer. So, I wasn't eating bad. I usually follow more of paleo. I can't do a lot of greens. I don't produce a lot of cellulase so I have to take, but I take my enzyme without–

Ben:  We're having kale smoothies for dinner.

Christopher:  No, I can do it now since I've healed up my gut. I can do my enzyme. I'll take care of it. My body does do better on a vegetarian almost type diet with say fishes and vegetables. But, I do more nice steamed vegetables and fishes. I'm getting more, not say carnivore but I do more red meat because when I have Lyme, alpha-gal and I had yeast, I couldn't break down beef.

Ben:  Yeah. I've heard that that if you have Lyme or certain tick-borne illnesses you develop an intolerance to meat, a meat out.

Christopher:  Oh, totally. And people, they get sick. I had a guy came in the day, his whole bottom lip swell. I mean, huge from just eating beef.

Ben:  Wow.

Christopher:  But, I do beef–

Ben:  You do beef now now that you're healed from Lyme.

Christopher:  And now, I can do more greens with enzyme and I do more fruit. I don't eat a lot of fruit because they say sugars but my ayurvedic doctor told me says, “No, you need more fruit.” And, you know what, I feel a lot better on it. I don't eat a lot of it.

Ben:  Yeah.

Christopher:  But yeah, I have a pretty good round. I don't need a lot of starches. I like them. I'm not saying they're bad, I just don't eat a ton of starch.

Ben:  Yeah. Is that a similar dietary approach that you use with your patients or does it vary from patient to patient?

Christopher:  Everybody's different because I'll do a gene test on most patients, and usually from their genetics depending on what their gene patterns are, I'll tell them if they're good for intermittent fasting, if they're good for the keto, or if they're good for paleo–

Ben:  Oh, there genes that can tell you your response to fasting?

Christopher:  Oh, yeah.

Ben:  Really?

Christopher:  Totally. Because I couldn't break down my fatty acids into my Krebs cycle. There's different genes like ACE genes and all these genes that say, “Oh, these fatty acids will not even break down.” I'll be like, “You're not going to do a keto diet at all.”

Ben:  Interesting. Yeah, I wondered about that recent intermittent fasting study that linked intermittent fasting to heart disease. It was a weak study in general just because the folks who were fasting had heart disease were smoking. They had high BMIs. They had poor access to good food based on income, but I also wondered if it's possible also that because of that they actually had some metabolic deficits that resulted in the fatty acids that were present from intermittent fasting really not passing through the mitochondria in a proper way to create ATP.

Christopher:  Exactly. If you look on their gene report, guarantee 100% of them would not have. They call the NDFs and UT genes that allow sugars and starches to get actually get in their mitochondria. They will have defects. And so, what happens, those sugars will turn into extra cholesterol and triglycerides to get in their heart. So, they could be thin people.

Ben:  Yeah. That pathway makes sense. Interesting.

Christopher:  Yeah.

Ben:  So, yeah those genes, if you remember what they are, I'll put them in the shownotes because a lot of people who listen who have had or are going to get a genetic report and want to see what their response to intermittent fasting would be, they probably want to check those genes out.

Christopher:  Oh, yeah. I could get them out. And, what I can do is I go back and I'll write these things down for the shownotes, yeah.

Ben:  Yeah, super interesting.

Now, how about the spiritual component? How much do you work that in or do you have your own spiritual practice?

Christopher:  My own spiritual practice, yes, is we do prayer and I'm Christian by faith, and it's prayer and I say meditation breathwork is because allowing trying to get my tissues to relax and get more energy into the tissue. But, I don't take that, I'm not trying to separate that from my beliefs either but spiritual practice, I have to use that for prayers for keeping my body protected, energetically as well.

I don't try to incorporate a patient their spiritual work or what they should do, but I like to look in Chinese medicine about how each organ function is directly related to how a person will think. If people think, “Really?” I'm like, “Yes.” For instance, if they always say the lung is grief, but the reason the lungs get tired is because the emotional trauma or belief pattern that they may have seen a parent die, they could have lost a job, that's a death to them. The lungs will feel the effect and that person inherently will want to take in more air because something died.

Ben:  Wow.

Christopher:  So, their lungs will grow thicker to help them get more air. And, those people always come with emphysema, asthma, bronchitis, allergies. And so, they'll get more infections and toxins.

Ben:  It's almost like lung hypertrophy as a response to traumatic incident.

Christopher:  Yes. And, it does have to do with, like you say, spiritual practice or beliefs because if the person spiritually and their belief patterns doesn't allow them to help with that release of that grief, they'll hold on to it in their lung program.

Ben:  Right. If they don't have some practice of meditation or prayer or journaling or even a community or something like that.

Christopher:  Yes.

Ben:  Yeah, interesting. As a Christian practitioner, what would be largely Eastern medicine in your circle that you run in, do you ever run into people kind of giving you a hard time for that?

Christopher:  When I first moved back to Nashville, my father, he was a drill sergeant, good Christian guy, but he would be like, “Son, do you think people are going to take this frequency medicine stuff pretty well?” And, I was like, “Well, I at first people really came in and they asked if I believed in God and when I did these different practices.” And, to me, I just said, “Well, yes, I believe in God, but I'm just using your body as a circuit board and I believe that there's patterns.” Whether you believe in God or not, there's patterns of electricity running through your body. And, over the years, I think people saw how I approached it and now I don't. But, when I first started out, people did ask me that a lot.

Ben:  Yeah, interesting. So, for you personally, do you have a morning spiritual practice that you do in conjunction with the qigong and everything else or is it all just kind of woven into that?

Christopher:  I say it's not woven. I really do have my practice of definitely reading scriptures and with prayers like specific prayers. It's like praying for your patients and praying for myself to interact in a way that would benefit both of us and really praying for healing for my patients.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. Wow, even if they don't know you're praying for.

Christopher:  If they didn't want me to pray for them, I understand and I don't want to do anything to disrupt anybody, but that's my morning time. And, I usually spend most of my early times right as I get to the office too is like asking God for help during that day.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah. Wow.

And, for you as far as your sleep patterns go, do you pay pretty close attention to those or do you have sleep issues at all?

Christopher:  Oh, definitely. I had to pay attention to mine because my family line's got a pretty bad gallbladder stuff. The gallbladder is supposed to recharge at night. So, my sleep is pretty good, but the last six months I've been doing more gallbladder detox from parasites. So, my sleep patterns do well, but at times in the 12:00 or 1:00, I'll get a little wake up sometimes but it's gotten better since I've been doing a lot more parasite [01:02:02] _____.

Ben:  Is that based on that Chinese circadian clock that certain organs that have dysfunctions are going to cause waking at certain times in the night?

Christopher:  Yes. I pay attention to patterns, like you say, if a person's actually if they use an Oura ring, if they're actually getting into a certain amount of sleep, I could help. I try to tell the patient is, “If you're not getting down deep sleep, I know which organ is the most toxic that's trying to clean out at that time, clean it up and you'll see your sleep pattern is changed.”

Ben:  What's around 3:00 am or so.

Christopher:  The lungs.

Ben:  I'm mostly asking because the past two nights I woke up at 3:00 a.m.

Christopher:  Yeah, usually like remember you said you went to India and you said the lungs were trying to clean out, there could be stuff–

Ben:  Oh, my father just passed too. You talked about that grief thing.

Christopher:  The grief.

Ben:  Yeah, interesting. Wow. What are some other common waking times?

Christopher:  The most common I'll say is around 12:00 a.m., 1: a.m. and that's–

Ben:  That's gallbladder?

Christopher:  That's going to be gallbladder. And, you're going to get right to the liver. So, usually that person if they get up gallbladder–people always say it's resentment and it's true and liver's anger, but usually there's two other things they have to remember. Overwhelmed with too many responsibilities and also too if you feel in life it doesn't have to do with food, if you have starvation of something like I'm starving for love, I'm starving for affection, I'm starving for attention, I'm going to guarantee you're going to wake up in the middle of night. 3:00 o'clock is lungs and then sometimes I have people that tell me 5:00 a.m. they wake up, and some people get up that time.

Ben:  I was going to say 5:00 a.m., that means it's morning time.

Christopher:  It is. If they say, “Oh, I like to sleep till 7:00,” which okay. Usually, constipation. They're functionally constipated, large intestine issues.

Ben:  Okay, interesting. Wow. So, what I'm going to do is obviously it sounds like you're going to be able to send some stuff over, Chris, that we'll put in the shownotes and then I'm just going to mass a bunch of information. So, if you're listening in, you go to BenGreenfieldLife.com/Motley, I'll link to Chris's clinic. We'll make some lists of some of these herbal remedies and sources and tests that he likes and try and make this a real helpful shownotes for you. And Chris, anything else you're looking forward to rest of the day here in Washington?

Christopher:  Man, I'm just glad to get to hang out with Ben.

Ben:  [01:04:12] _____ some salmon and asparagus.

Christopher:  Oh, yeah. I'm just super glad. I'm going to go back and hit the rest of that smoothie. I'm starting to feel more hungry now.

Ben:  Yeah, my smoothies tend to stick to your ribs.

Christopher:  Oh, man, it's going to be great. And then, yeah, just looking forward to hanging with you. And, I really appreciate the opportunity, brother. Thank you so much for having me here.

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Are you tired of feeling like your body is fighting against you? Do you find yourself battling unexplained fatigue, muscle aches, and brain fog day after day, with no relief in sight? 

Imagine waking up each morning with a renewed sense of energy and clarity, ready to take on the day after uncovering and addressing hidden ailments impacting your health, happiness, and ability to live life to the fullest.

In this episode, embark on an exploration of holistic healing and cutting-edge therapies for Lyme disease, Epstein-Barr virus, parasites, viruses, gut issues, and more with Dr. Chris Motley, an expert in Eastern medicine.

Dr. Chris Motley, a Doctor of Chiropractic from Logan University, is a certified practitioner in acupuncture, applied kinesiology, clinical kinesiology, and liver methylation therapy. Additionally, he holds a diploma in acupuncture and Chinese Medicine from the American Board of Chiropractic Acupuncture. Based in Nashville, Tennessee, Dr. Motley serves both in-person patients and offers virtual consultations worldwide.

With a clientele that includes athletes from the NFL and MLB, as well as prominent CEOs and business leaders, Dr. Motley's approach integrates various modalities. He employs Chinese Medicine, bio-resonance therapy, herbal remedies, emotional processing, cranial therapy, and kinesiology techniques. His expertise extends to addressing complex health issues such as Lyme disease, liver methylation, parasites, SIBO, viral infections, hormonal imbalances, chronic structural problems, neurological conditions, and fertility challenges, guiding individuals toward vibrant health.

From unique therapies like frequency medicine to personalized diet and movement practices, tune in to gain valuable insights into Dr. Motley's comprehensive solutions for challenging health conditions!

During this discussion, you'll discover:  

-Dr. Chris Motley…04:37

  • Chiropractic doctor
  • Doctorate specializing in clinical kinesiology
  • Specializes in
    • Acupuncture
    • Kinesiology
    • Allergy and sensitivity therapy
    • Lyme
    • Epstein-Barr
    • Parasites
    • H. pylori
    • Salmonella
    • Streptococcus
  • Certified in acupuncture and Chinese and Eastern medicine
  • Frequency medicine or frequency therapy
    • Assesses which acupuncture meridians are blocked
    • Uses biofeedback devices
    • Determines which frequency output may be coming from blocked meridians
  • Ben and Chris did the usual morning routine at the Greenfield house

-How Dr. Chris got into frequency therapy…08:32

  • Dad was a drill sergeant and needed back surgery
    • Back surgery was avoided by going to a chiropractor
  • His brother had bad allergies
    • The same doctor fixed the allergies
  • Chris always knew he wanted to help people
  • Mother is Korean 
    • Several great uncles lived in the hills of Korea and practiced herb and Chinese medicine
  • Had neck problems, and was told by a Chinese medicine practitioner that his gallbladder was sick
  • Electricity helps arteries and lymph nodes flow

-A typical scenario in Dr. Chris’ office…12:14

  • Pulse point finder
    • Biofeedback devices check how much electricity is flowing through the meridian
    • Gives an idea of what the main organs are doing
  • Also uses a small device called a resonator, made by his mentor Dr. Dowdy — very static-sensitive
  • Uses a small pointer and then his own skin to touch each point
  • Picks up a static charge, causing the skin to stick to the material
    • Electrically maps muscles that have a poor electrical function
    • Finds which organs are blocked
  • Neubie
  • Podcast with Dr. Jeremy Stich:
  • Hand molding technique
    • Bones are piezoelectric crystals — conductors of frequency
    • Hands can be used as an antenna
    • When the signal amplifies into the hand, the skin texture changes in response 
    • Scanning for frequencies of yeast, mold, bacteria, and viruses
  • A practitioner can feel the effects of a patient’s problem
  • There is a device that can detect the frequency, invert it, and then send it back into the body
  • Another device picks up electrical patterns, makes an algorithm to tell you what's going on
    • Sends the frequencies back in to clean up the infection

-Other examinations…19:55

  • Different patterns of organs tell the story of the psychological arena of the patient
    • Information on how to cleanse the infection
  • Look at the signs and symptoms of the organ imbalance to know which organs to prioritize
  • Priority system — using hand molding to find out the order in which problem organ to treat first
    • Pause locking acupuncture points to find out which ones are a priority
    • Feel which point is the most blocked just from the hand
    • Using the hand molds to discern what was causing that organ to be imbalanced

-Lyme disease…23:19

  • Chris got Lyme disease when he was 13 or 14
  • Found out about it when he was 31 — almost passed out on a patient
  • A lot of bloodwork did not find it
  • Tests only look for about 10 types, but there are hundreds of strains
  • Went to a friend, Dr. Allan Lindsley, who runs a big Lyme infection place in Wisconsin
    • He did frequency tests which showed Lyme disease
  • He was very weak, could hardly stand up, and started to use the herbals of Dr. Lindsley
    • Cleaned everything out after one and a half years
    • Also did liver methylation supplementation
  • Used genetics to find out why he cannot absorb vitamin B
  • Herbal antimicrobial type of protocol combined with methylation
  • Tests:
  • Dr. J Dunn

-Epstein-Barr virus and its connection to Lyme disease…27:18

  • 85% to 90% of people with Lyme also have Epstein-Barr
  • Epstein-Barr is a class 4 herpes virus
    • It will incorporate into your cells and into your DNA
    • One cell can replicate millions
  • Be careful around people with cold sores or cankers
  • Causes chronic fatigue syndrome
  • Strategy for Epstein-Barr virus
    • Heavy herbals that are specifically for Epstein-Barr
    • Finding enzymes that take off the virus coding
    • Methylation processes
  • DNA test or genetic testing
  • Making mitochondria absorb vitamin D

-The quality and effects of herbs…34:04

  • Supreme Nutrition
    • Good sources, no radiation, toxins, or metals
  • Dr. Michael Lebowitz and Dr. Noah Lebowitz
  • The interaction of the frequency of the herb, even if it's still in the capsule, changes the nervous system response 
  • Chinese medicine doctors believe it is the herb and the energy of the herb
  • The brain automatically knows which enzymes can be produced by ingesting the food you just smelled
  • The skin will tense up — called a galvanic skin response
  • Your skin is responding to the tastes of the gut instinct

-Removing parasites from the body…37:17

  • Parasites are some of the toughest to clean up
    • Assess for biofilms
    • Mucus in their bowel movements, foam
    • Random stabbing cramps
  • Clean up the parasites with
  • You have to get the biofilms cleaned up and break them open
  • Kion Flex with serrapeptase
  • Serrapeptase and different enzymes for parasites to break up old coagulated blood and breaking up biofilms
  • Ben took Kion Flex and wild oregano oil after his trip to India
  • Other common conditions
    • Hidden Streps
      • Strep pathogens mutate
      • Antibiotics do not kill them all
      • Tonsils usually stay infected
  • Pandas — toxicity from strep has gotten into the brain and caused severe inflammation in the brain
    • Like streptococcus in your neural tissue
  • MicroGenDX
    • Tests for 50,000 different strep strains
  • Antimicrobials for strep:
  • Kauai Farmacy (use code GREENFIELD15 to save 15%)

-Hidden infections of the stomach…42:35

  • H. pylori, salmonella, and E. coli
    • Chronic infection can cause hiatal hernia diaphragm issues
    • Can cause heart issues because the infections make their way into the heart and into lung tissue
  • Herpes viruses
    • Herpes simplex
    • Human herpes virus 1 and 2
  • Cytomegalovirus or roseola virus — kids with red cheeks
    • Infections get into the gums, the teeth, the roots
  • Mastic gum and aloe vera for gut issues
  • Podcast with Dean Karnazes:
  • Noni, neem, and coptis are all microbial
    • Kills yeast, mold, viruses, parasites, Lyme
  • Strep and infections of the brain
    • Use herbs that kill off strep
    • Make sure to have minerals assessed by a good test
    • A good functional medicine doctor for the methylation process
  • Mimosa pudica for kids with parasitic worms

-Herpes viruses…47:31

  • The approach would be a little different
  • Chinese medicine and frequency medicine procedures are very different
  • Different herbs in different ratios
  • Ayurvedic herbs
  • Dr. Chris also does medicine consults

-Ionic foot baths…49:23

  • People come in after a bath and all their acupuncture points are smooth
  • Different color patterns can be seen for different issues
    • Black — a lot of toxins in the colon
    • Orange — arthritis
  • A patient had heavy parasites in her lower legs — Strongyloides threadworms got into her legs
    • She did the foot bath, took a picture and there were these small worms, a lot of them in her water
  • In Dr. Chris’s experience, it works

-Ben’s ad for his Spokane house…50:41

-Technologies, tools, and supplements…52:22

-Movement and exercise practices…56:32

-Dietary principles…1:01:41

  • Dr. Chris had stomach surgery in 2017 for a ruptured ulcer
  • More of a paleo diet
  • Steamed vegetables and fishes
  • If you've had Lyme or certain tick-borne illnesses, you develop an intolerance to meat
  • Eats beef now and more greens with enzymes
  • Doesn’t eat a lot of starches
  • Does a gene test on most patients and usually decide on their diet based on their genetics
    • Depends on their gene patterns if they are good for
      • Intermittent fasting
      • Good for the keto
      • Good for paleo
    • ACE genes that say you cannot breakdown fatty acids so you're not doing keto
  • Study Links Intermittent Fasting to Increased Heart Risks, Draws Skepticism From Experts
  • NDFs and UT genes allow sugars and starches to get into mitochondria

-Spiritual practices…1:04:55

  • Dr. Chris is a Christian
  • Meditation, prayer, and breathwork allow tissues to relax — get more energy into the tissues
  • Look into Chinese medicine to understand how each organ function is directly related to what you think
  • Whether you believe in God or not, there are patterns of electricity running through your body
  • Reading scriptures with prayers — praying for patients to heal

-Sleep patterns…1:08:25

  • Paying attention to sleep — family line has got pretty bad gallbladder issues
    • Gallbladders are supposed to recharge at night
  • Has been doing a lot of gallbladder detox over the past six months for parasite cleansing
  • Paying attention to the sleep patterns of patients to assess which organ is the most toxic 
  • Oura Ring
  • Common waking times that indicate certain problems
    • 12 or 1 o'clock could be gallbladder issues and then the liver
    • 3 o'clock is the lungs
    • 5 o'clock is constipation, large intestine issues

-And much more…

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