[Transcript] – The Future Of Stem Cell Therapy, Making Fancy Stem Cell Protocols Affordable To More People Than The Elite Rich, Stem Cell Injection Secrets & Much More With Dr. Harry Adelson.

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[00:00:00] Introduction

[00:01:02] Podcast Sponsors

[00:06:34] Introduction

[00:08:19] The backstory and development of stem cell industry

[00:17:35] Autologous Therapy vs. Allogenic Therapy

[00:28:00] Stem cell industry in US now

[00:29:58] Podcast Sponsors

[00:34:43] cont. Stem cell industry in US now

[00:42:312] Sitting is new smoking 

[00:51:13] STYM Clinics

[00:57:45] End of Podcast

Ben:  My name is Ben Greenfield. And, on this episode of the Ben Greenfield Life podcast.

Harry:  When you have one of these non-healing wounds, you inject the stem cells, you lay down new collagen, you lay down new regularly formed blood vessels, and then you grow skin.

Ben:  And then, the nerves.

Harry:  It's the same concept if you've got low back pain or neck pain or hip or joint pain. Whatever it is, those joint surfaces are chronically irritated. We inject the stem cells, tricks your body into thinking that you've undergone a new injury, launching the body's natural healing cascade without actually having caused any tissue damage. You get all the benefit of a healing response without actually having been injured.

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Hey, so today, I got to sit down with the mastermind behind one of the most fringed biohacking protocols for longevity I've ever done. This is the guy who's injected every joint in my body with stem cells, toe to head, genitals, face, hair, skin, you name it. And, he developed this crazy protocol called the Full-Body Stem Cell Makeover. We've done podcasts before about that procedure. It's crazy. I'll link to in the shownotes if you go to BenGreenfieldLife.com/STYM. That's BenGreenfieldLife.com/S-T-Y-M.

But, in this episode, Dr. Harry Adelson is back and we talked about a whole bunch of cool things that have happened in the stem cell industry of late that you might be unaware of, like a lot of the reasons people have been going over to Europe and all this jazz in South America for protocols. All that has changed, the legal landscape has changed, the type of stem cells that are available, and the way they can be modified with things like lasers and crazy treatments has changed. So, Harry is at the cutting edge of all this stuff. So, I figured I would get him back on the show. And, we had a fascinating chat. I was on the edge of my seat during this one. So, enjoy this show with Dr. Harry Adelson and you're going to learn a whole lot about old versus new stem cells, and allogenic versus autologous, and the new CSN ruling, and why the FTC is now more the Regulatory Commission versus the FDA, and more importantly, how this stuff can be used to just absolutely crush pain and get you back in action and increase longevity, and a whole lot more. So, enjoy this wide-ranging discussion on stem cells with the stem cell genius himself, Dr. Harry Adelson.

Well, Harry, we've done a lot of stuff together in stem cells. And, by a lot of stuff, I mean you've gone up and down my whole-body multiple times with many, many millions and billions of stem cells. But, in the past few months, even since the last full body makeover that I did with you, apparently, at least as far as you've kind of clued me into, there's been a lot going on behind the scenes in the whole stem cell industry. For better or worse, I don't know, but what exactly is going on right now when it comes to stem cells, people's access to them, the legal regulations, and some of the stuff you want to tell me about?

Harry:  Well, there's been a major development, Ben. And so, first of all, I have to give you the back story for it to make sense mostly for your listeners because you know most of this stuff. So, when I started doing this back in 2010, there was very little attention paid to the stem cell industry by the FDA because so few people were doing it and there was so little known about it. And, we were all just kind of learning as we were going. And then, you worked with Kristin Comella. You remember, Kristin?

Ben:  Yeah, down in Florida, the U.S. Stem Cell clinic. My wife and I have both gone down there.

Harry:  She was the one really who figured out how to isolate stem cells from fat, how to process it in a doctor's office safely, easily. And so, she started teaching a lot of doctors. She started treating a lot of people. And, in 2017, the FDA sued her. And, what that did is it essentially completely shut her down.

Ben:  I think that was right after I went down there and had a protocol done because it was not soon after that I heard some rumblings about how they caught some flack in their clinic or something like that.

Harry:  Yeah, that's right, that's right. So, the FDA sued her. And, what they were saying was that stem cells from your own body are a drug. And, if there exists anyone in the world that can really convince you otherwise, if there's anybody who can really explain it in a way to show how ludicrous and absurd that is, it's Kristin. I mean, she's–

Ben:  You mean ludicrous and absurd that they're a drug? Or, that because they're from your own body they should be illegal or whatever.

Harry:  So, the FDA was claiming that stem cells from your own body is a drug. And, Kristin more than anybody, she's the most qualified person to really explain how that is just completely untrue. Taking stem cells from a person's body and preparing them for injection resembles in no way drug manufacturing.

Ben:  Oh, so they thought that if somebody goes in and they do the–it was almost like a liposuction thing I did in my back, they sucked the fat out, they get the stem cells. That was the equivalent of drug manufacturing?

Harry:  Yes, yes. So, they were saying, wow, because you have to process the fat slightly, you have to manipulate it somewhat. They were saying that was more than minimal manipulation.

Ben:  Yeah, I drug manufacture every morning when I pee and poo based on that logic.

Harry:  It makes no sense. So, Kristin who's this little Joan of Arc, she's tiny but she's just tough as hell.

Ben:  Yeah, yeah, she's cool.

Harry:  Yeah. I mean, she was actually looking forward to her day in court. She was relishing the whole concept of being able to argue her case and go toe to toe with the FDA.

The judge in that case issued a summary judgment. And, a summary judgment basically means no trial. In this case, it was if the FDA says what you're doing is illegal, it's illegal, they get to interpret the rules. So, no trial, get guilty. So, she was found guilty with no trial. And, she was devastated. Understandably because she didn't get to argue her case.

Well, what's super creepy–

Ben:  Guilty, basically being like a drug dealer, drug manufacturer without a license by just taking people's stem cells out of the body.

Harry:  Yeah, yeah, saying that she was drug manufacturing a drug that is a non-FDA-approved drug.

Ben:  Okay. I don't want to derail your story, but what about, because I think you briefly alluded to this, the idea that when you take them out of the body, if you do something with them like expand them, that makes them different or could somehow be making them into a drug. Don't you kind of have to do something with them to increase the mesenchymal stem cell count or whatever?

Harry:  Well, that's another conversation. So, what she was doing is she was just isolating the stem cells from fat because the stem cells are embedded in the fat. So, you can't give them into someone's vein for instance because you're going to put the fat in the vein and cause an embolism, there's all sorts of problems. So basically, it's just a way to tease the stem cells off of the fat cells. 

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  No expansion.

Ben:  So, you got this greasy burger of tissue. And, somebody did that liposuction on me. They did in my wife too and we're both skinny, so it took a while to get enough fat. But, you can't just take that fat and then hand to somebody in a paper cup and say, “Okay, here's your stem cells.” You got to then isolate the stem cells from the fat. And, that's what Kristin was doing that later was deemed to be criminal offense or whatever.

Harry:  It's called enzymatic digestion.

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  You soak it in collagenase. That loosens it up. You incubate it, so you bring it up to body temperature, centrifuge it several times, filter it, and then you get this nice aqueous solution that is loaded with stem cells.

Ben:  Okay. Alright, got it.

So, when that happened with Kristin, what happened to the rest of the industry?

Harry:  Right. So, what was super creepy how that whole thing played out is this judge issued the summary judgment. And, about two or four months later, the judge resigned from a lifetime appointment as a federal circuit judge and took a job with a stem cell company.

Ben:  What?

Harry:  She took a job on the advisory board for a stem cell company based in South Florida. The guy who opened that clinic is the director of the stem cell institute at the University of Miami. And, that's the group that called in the complaint against Kristin.

Ben:  Oh, my gosh.

Harry:  It's super creepy.

Ben:  Wait. I assume the stem cell institute in Miami or wherever this person went to work for after they made that ruling is not doing the same thing Kristin was doing?

Harry:  Well, okay, so–

Ben:  Otherwise, it's totally the pot calling the kettle black or however it goes.

Harry:  What this group, this company, is doing is they are putting a stem cell line through the FDA pathway to have it become an FDA-approved drug.

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  And, that's the big issue with stem cells from your own body.

Ben:  Comes out in like pharmaceutical money kind of.

Harry:  Yes. There's all these companies that are paying millions upon millions of dollars to go through the FDA pathway. And, when you use cells from your own body, you're sort of just sidestepping that whole thing.

Ben:  Yeah.

Harry:  And, that was the issue and that's where Kristin got targeted. But, the good news is while that was going on, the FDA also sued my friends in California, the California Stem Cell Treatment Institute, the Bermans and Elliott Lander. And, that judge, that trial lasted, it went on for five years. The judge in that case just issued his ruling and that's what the big news is, that's what we're talking about here, he issued in favor of my friends, of Sean Berman and Elliot Lander. So, he actually said, “No, stem cells from your own body are not a drug, and you, the FDA have overstepped your bounds because you don't regulate medicine.”

Ben:  Oh, wow.

Harry:  So, it's huge–

Ben:  So, folks like Kristin could keep doing what they were doing.

Harry:  Well, Kristin was found guilty because with that summary judgment, so she's going to have to appeal. And, it's different circuit. So, the way it works is we have these different circuits in the United States that are responsible for different territories. And, the one circuit judge ruled against Kristin. this other circuit judge ruled for Cell Surgical Network in California. So now, we have a split judgment. So, if Kristin wants to appeal, it's essentially going to go to the Supreme Court.

Ben:  Oh, wow. Okay. So, 2017 to 2022, all this stuff is going on behind the scenes. This new ruling was made.

Harry:  Just a few months ago.

Ben:  Now, during that time, probably even before then, a lot of people would go overseas to have stem cell protocols done or feel as though they weren't able to get what they wanted to get in the U.S. What does this do for stem cell procedures, particularly in the U.S.?

Harry:  So, essentially what it did, for me personally, it didn't change as far as what I was actually doing. It did change my ability to talk about it. Because you didn't want to get on the wrong end of a lawsuit from the federal government.

Ben:  And, it's not because you were doing anything illegal with your full body stem cell–

Harry:  Well, it was unclear. It was unclear.

Ben:  Okay, it's murky.

Harry:  And, it still is to some degree. It's a bit of a gray area. After Kristin's ruling, it seemed like a dark gray area. But now, with this new ruling, I feel comfortable talking about it again.

Ben:  Okay. Because you did, you did this procedure on me twice. And, I'll link to the other podcasts that we did on them in the shownotes for this one.

But, you went into my hip bones. I know you took a little bit of marrow out and that wound up going back into me in multiple points. I'll let you explain.

Harry:  Yeah, with your treatment, we did bone marrow. We also did stem cells from your blood, the VSELs, which we're going to talk about later. With you, I did not take any fat because you don't have any fat, bro.

Ben:  Yeah, I know.

Harry:  So, we skipped that part. So, yeah, we did bone marrow combined with the VSEL from the blood.

Ben:  So, technically, a judge could have ruled that you were turning my own tissue into drugs and injecting them into–

Harry:  Well, not so much with–

Ben:  Based on the logic they had with Kristin.

Harry:  Not so much with the bone marrow because the bone marrow is considered safe. With the bone marrow, you're just centrifuging it.

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  So, you're concentrating the stem cells. Because that's been used for so many years with cancer therapies, it's essentially an off-label use.

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  The issue with the fat specifically was the enzymatic digestion because the FDA was claiming that that was more than minimal manipulation thereby drug manufacturing.

Ben:  Okay, got you, because you weren't having to do that with the marrow or anything like that.

Harry:  Yeah.

Ben:  But, the marrow, and correct me if I'm incorrect on these terms, the marrow would be considered autologous. That was my own. But, explain to people the difference between autologous and whatever you call it, the non-autologous.

Harry:  Allogenic.

Ben:  Allogenic. Explain that to people.

Harry:  Sure. So, there's two main categories when we're talking about stem cell therapy. There's autologous and allogenic. The word “autologous” means donor and recipient are the same person. So, that means taking stem cells from your own body. Allogenic means donor and recipient are different people. So, usually, that's birth tissue products. Does not involve dead babies, does not involve–

Ben:  Placenta, umbilicus, things like that.

Harry:  Right, it involves the extra stuff that normally just gets thrown in the trash.

Ben:  And, you made a good point, they're not dead babies because I have somebody, Christian friends. And, I'm a pro-life guy myself and they freaked out. They've been like, “Are you killing babies for stem cell?” I don't think that's how it works.

Harry:  No, there's no truth to that. Well, let's back up, let's talk about the autologous first.

So, when we're talking about stem cells from your own body, there's basically three categories. There's your bone marrow.

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  Bone marrow has been used in cancer therapies. The bone marrow stem cells have been used in cancer therapies since the 1970s. So, that is anytime we use it for treating low back pain or something like that, it's considered an off-label use. When I started doing stem cells in 2010, it was bone marrow. And, I was very happy with it. It was very effective. Sometimes, usually took a few treatments. We wouldn't just do one and get great outcomes. We'd have to do sort of a series of them to get people where they wanted to be. And, the older people got, it seemed to be a little less effective. But, overall, I did it for just that for three years and was very happy with it. Then, I met Kristin. I learned how to isolate stem cells from fat.

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  And, in the beginning, what I thought was, my initial instinct was to combine the two because if–

Ben:  Combine the fat with the bone.

Harry:  Right. Combine bone marrow with the SVF, the stromal vascular fraction, the stem cells from the fat. And, I thought, “Well, rather than just jumping into that one, and I see use them, do it for a period of time individually and maybe one does work as well or better than the other and there's no need to do the other.” So, for the first four months what I did is people would come to me and I'd say, “Well, okay, so we can do bone marrow, which I've been doing at that point for three years and have quite a bit of experience with. And, there's scientific data to support it or we can do fat which I,” at that time, “had very little experience with.” There was very little in the scientific literature on it at that point. This is back 2013, 2014. “Which would you rather do?” And, people would self-select. They would either do bone marrow or fat. I did that for four months.

Then, my dad came in for treatment and I thought, I'm just going to do both because I don't know at this point which works better. So, I did both, and after that–

Ben:  Yeah, this is my dad, what could go? Yeah.

Harry:  Well, I think we should change the Hippocratic oath to do unto others as you would do onto dear old dad–

Ben:  Because that's your parents, yeah.

Harry:  So, that was it. So, I thought, “Well, if I'm going to do that for my dad, I should start doing it with everybody.” So, for that first group whereas bone marrow or fat only, I waited a year and then I checked back in with them. And, the outcomes with the bone marrow group were those people got consistently good results. It usually took two treatments to get them where they wanted to be, but I only had a 10% non-responder rate. Everybody else did quite well. In the fat group, when it worked, it was more effective than the bone marrow. One treatment would usually get people where they wanted to be. But, there was a much higher non-responder rate. It was a 30% non-responder rate.

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  And so, when I started combining them and I checked with those people 12 months out, what I found was that I got the consistency of the bone marrow with the augmented outcomes of the fat.

Ben:  Okay. But, there was the bone and there was a fat, but the last time I came into your clinic and did the full body thing, you talked to me about this other kind of stem cell, it was a VSEL, yeah.

Harry:  That's right. Yeah, VSEL. So, that's–

Ben:  So, where's that fit in?

Harry:  Right. Thank you we're getting back to our list here. We got bone marrow, we got fat, and then we have the VSELs.

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  So, VSEL stands for very small embryonic-like stem cells. These are stem cells that exist in our blood in large numbers.

Ben:  Not in bone or fat, in blood.

Harry:  Well, it exists in your bone marrow too because your blood is produced in your bone.

Ben:  Yeah, a good point.

Harry:  But, it's also in your peripheral blood.

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  So, what VSELs are, they're called very small because they're slightly smaller than a red blood cell. They're called embryonic-like because they're almost as primitive as embryonic stem cells. These stem cells exist in our blood, but they're completely hibernating. They're quiescent, we say. They're just inactive. And, in order to activate them, you usually have to do this sort of extreme measures. That sound like biohacking techniques. You either have to freeze and thaw the blood. You have to stress it out. You have to stress out the blood. And, I had heard about it for a number of years, but I'd only heard of this like you'd freeze and thaw several times, it would take 10 hours. And, I just couldn't figure out how to work that into my day. And, that's when I found out about Todd Ovokaitys who's the doctor in Southern California who's developed a laser to activate this VSEL.

Ben:  Which is super interesting because that's all I had heard in the past. I had one friend, a doctor, Halland Chen who's doing some of the VSEL procedures and he showed me in New York, I was freezing, I mean, thinking I look like, thawing, Han Solo in Star Wars. They take him out in the dry ice and all the steam coming off him or whatever. But then, it's like hormesis. We can stress ourselves with cold. We can stress ourselves with pressure. We can stress ourselves with heat. We can stress ourselves with light. And, this Dr. Todd guy, he's actually stressing the VSELs with lasers to activate them.

Harry:  Right, right.

Ben:  That's super cool.

Harry:  So, instead of this multiple freeze-thaw, which is very time-consuming and labor-intensive, he's developed a laser. And, it's not even the laser so much as this, he calls it a holotropic filter through which the laser passes that he has peer-reviewed published data showing that when you zap platelet-rich plasma because if you do a PRP, a platelet-rich plasma, you're concentrating these VSELs but they're hibernating. If you zap a PRP and do the before and after measurement, the VSELs increase 100x.

Ben:  And so, if somebody's in your clinic and they do the full body makeover, then there's some other protocols you do that I want to talk about later on, that you can literally right before you do the protocol, can you do the laser thing on the VSELs taken from somebody's blood right there in clinic?

Harry:  Yes, we do it immediately. So, we just do a blood draw, we spin down platelet-rich plasma, we zap it with the laser. It takes three minutes.

Ben:  Yeah.

Harry:  And, that's our VSEL.

Ben:  Wow, okay. So, that's the bone and the fat and the VSELs. I think it's going to be very helpful for people to wrap their head around this before we talk a little bit more about the different protocols you could have done. But then, those are all, you said autologous–

Harry:  Autologous, from your own body.

Ben:  And then, you said allogenic is the other one. And, what about those?

Harry:  So, that's usually birth tissue products. So, just embryonic put it out of your mind, fetal, put it out of your mind, nobody does that. I mean, there are some places in the world that do it. Most of them are oddly enough in Russia and Ukraine. Neither of which are particularly hot spots for medical tourism. The reason nobody uses embryonic is because that's the type of stem cell when you hear about them turning into tumors. That actually those embryonic stem cells because they're so primitive they tend to turn into tumors. So, on the one hand, you've got this issue of it potentially being unethical. It's very easy to argue that an embryo is a human life. But, on the other hand, it's not even a good cell to use because that's what turns into tumors–

Ben:  That's kind of scary because I know of some doctors for prescribing intranasal allogenic stem cells, TBI, and stuff like that.

Harry:  That's umbilical cord. Yeah, that's umbilical cord.

Ben:  Oh, it's umbilical. Okay.

Harry:  Yeah. So, embryonic is that's where–it's a ball of eight cells. That's what becomes the baby. Nobody does that.

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  Fetal, nobody does that. So, let's talk about–

Ben:  So, you're not talking about umbilical or placental as being the cancer-causing ones?

Harry:  No.

Ben:  Okay, got you.

Harry:  No, no, no.

Ben:  I was concerned there for a second.

Harry:  Yeah. So, that's the embryonic and the fetal.

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  So now, let's talk about what people actually do use, which are the birth tissue. So, that's umbilical cord, placenta, and amniotic membrane. And, those are very rich in stem cells and those are things that woman gives birth, and for instance, in the hospital, if that's where she does it, then these birth tissues, she gets to decide what to do with them. She gets to keep them, she gets to throw them in the trash, or she gets to donate them.

Ben:  But, she's a hippie, she'll eat them.

Harry:  That's right. I have to try it out. Yeah, we did that.

Ben:  A hippie are just a super forward-thinking alternative health enthusiast.

Harry:  Yeah, that's right.

Ben:  Exactly.

Okay. So then, if they wind up in the medical community to be used as an allogenic source of stem cells, in what type of situations do you think that those would be efficacious?

Harry:  Well, that's a big question. I mean, that sort of brings us to the whole idea of old versus new. And, this kind of gets back to the whole conversation about what happened in 2017 and Kristin. The FDA essentially put a muzzle on the entire industry in this country from about 2017 until just recently in 2022. And, people stop talking about it. During that time, all these international clinics were going crazy with their marketing. And, a big part of their marketing was use umbilical cord stem cells because they're new and more robust. Well, where did that idea come from? So, if you look at the area of tissue engineering where you're growing a kidney in a laboratory for instance, in that situation, yeah, you do want to use umbilical cord stem cells. They are more robust than bone marrow stem cells for growing an organ.

Now, my own experience because during in those early years, I used to commute to South America. And, for my patients who wanted culture-expanded umbilical cord cells, I went to Bogota, Colombia. But, I was treating the same stuff I treat here. I was treating low back pain, neck pain, joint pain, and I did it for about three years and I didn't really see that much of a difference between what I was doing at home and what I was doing abroad. So, when you're talking about musculoskeletal pain, low back pain, neck pain, joint pain, that sort of thing, I don't know that there's really that much of a difference. I mean, you say what's more powerful, a supercomputer or a hammer? Well, it depends on what your job is. If you want to design a bridge, then the supercomputer. But, if you want to drive a nail, I want a hammer myself.

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Do you think any of these international doctors are aware of this idea that you could take the stuff from the blood like you're doing now and laser activate it? To me, it seems it could be better than umbilical or placental but I don't know.

Harry:  Just like anything, any industry in the world, there's people take a route and then they have sunk cost and that's what they're doing and so that's what they promote.

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  So, I don't know if they're interested in that.

Ben:  Okay. So, in terms of just the overall perspective on anything else related to freedom over our bodies or health freedom in general, does this ruling spill tendrils into any other areas of health in your opinion, especially in our country?

Harry:  Yeah, I would say absolutely because now guys like me can actually start talking about what we're doing again. I think that this–

Ben:  The conversation that you and I are having right now would have been a very difficult one to have say eight months ago?

Harry:  I wouldn't have agreed to it. Yeah. I mean, just saying that I use stem cells from fat tissue. I wouldn't have said that. I wouldn't have said that three months before the ruling.

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  Yeah. I mean, we had to be sort of very hush-hush about it. And now, I feel instead of an FDA issue, now we're turning into an FTC issue because what we're seeing now is state attorney generals are suing doctors in conjunction with the FTC for sort of truth in advertising type stuff. So, basically making–

Ben:  So, what is an FTC issue, it's more how you're marketing, how you're advertising, what you're saying, it's like me in the supplements industry, I can't say “cures this,” I have to say whatever, “it supports healthy blood sugar levels” instead of “cures diabetes” or something like that.

Harry:  Yeah. And, I think that's perfectly appropriate. There were people who were abusing that. The people who are the targets of these lawsuits that are happening right now, these state attorney generals with the FTC are going after mostly chiropractors who had these very aggressive marketing campaigns saying they were holding dinners and inviting people, giving them a free dinner and telling them all the wonderful things that could happen to them and–

Ben:  With stem cells.

Harry:  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, those guys are the–

Ben:  Chiropractic docs were doing stem cell protocols.

Harry:  Well, most of them were hiring nurse practitioners to come in the office and do the actual injections. I sort of feel like I'm the last person in the world to–you know me, I don't trash talk other docs, but it really sort of put a dark shadow over the entire industry. So, these guys, unfortunately, I hate to say it, but I think they're getting what they deserved.

Ben:  Yeah. Well, I have a question about the Full-Body Stem Cell Makeover that you do and whether this change is the type of things that you do with that. But, before I ask you about that, I have had this question in the back of my mind regarding stem cells because they're considered to be regenerative medicine, regrowth tissue, deal with everything from cartilage to support. A lot of people do it for anti-aging and longevity and skin health and sexual health. But, what I have yet to wrap my head around is the pain component. Because you have told me so many times people come in they've got debilitating pain like low back–I know you do a lot with back pain, neck pain, joint pain, et cetera. I don't understand how stem cells would actually shut down pain. I get how they can help with regrowth of tissue or anti-aging use and several–where's the pain part come in?

Harry:  Right. So, this is where people in my area in regenerative medicine for the treatment of pain where we believe the pain generation is coming from. The actual cause of the pain is not what you see on the MRI. Because the trap that we fall into is we're so conditioned to like, “Oh, what does the MRI say?” Well, the scientific data shows us that if you look at a hundred people with no low back pain, people who've never had low back pain and you look at their MRIs over the age of 45, 60% of them are going to have abnormal MRIs, 15% are going to have abnormalities so significant that if they had corresponding symptoms, they would be candidates for immediate emergency surgery. Alternately, if you look at people who have lots of back pain, frequently their MRIs are perfectly normal. And, this has all been very well documented. I mean, this is to the point where the American College of Surgeons in 2011 issued a position paper discouraging doctors from ordering MRIs for low back pain at all because all it really serves to achieve is increase the cost and the risk of treatment. It doesn't do anything to improve the outcomes–

Ben:  Unnecessary and expensive diagnostics that results in a lot of false positives.

Harry:  So, in regenerative medicine, what we think the actual cause of the pain is changes in the microscopic connective tissue. So, if you have sub-optimal healing, either you've had a single traumatic injury that doesn't completely heal or you have multiple micro-traumas or repetitive type injuries that just don't completely heal, two main things happen. One, the collagen matrix, which composes sort of–that's what makes the miracle fabric that is your connective tissue, it's supposed to stretch just the right amount in each direction and the nerve fibers pass freely through it. That's one. The other is you generally have just the right amount of microcirculation capillaries to the area bringing nutrients to the area and metabolic waste away. When you have sub-optimal healing, both of those things change. Your miracle fabric loses its miracle properties. The collagen fibers become chaotic. They open too much in one direction and not enough in other directions. The nerve fibers that pass through them get caught up in fire pain signals. At the same time, you undergo this phenomenon called neovascularization, which is the growth of new irregularly formed blood vessels.

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  And, every time you grow a new blood vessel, you also grow a nerve fiber along next to it. So, now you have a hyper concentration of nerve fibers and you have these irregularly formed blood vessels, so you actually lose the ability to bring nutrients to the area and metabolic waste away.

So, essentially when you have a painful area from one of these sub-optimal healing areas, whether it's in your low back or your neck or whatever, you can consider it really a non-healing wound.

Ben:  Yeah.

Harry:  And, the area in research that enjoys the best support for stem cells is non-healing wounds. And, non-healing wounds are great to study because you look at somebody, they have an ulcer, and you perform an intervention and either it gets better or it doesn't.

Ben:  Would that be like a bed sore, like that type of stuff?

Harry:  Yeah.

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  Really easy to study because it's 100% objective. You can see it like you say, “Hey, I've got this sore here, it won't get better,” and then you inject stem cells and either it gets better or it doesn't. Well, consistently it helps. And, the reason it helps–

Ben:  I've never had a bed sore but they sound horrible. Just the name itself sounds very disturbing.

Harry:  Yeah. And, a lot of people who are living in wheelchairs getting this. Yeah, it's terrible. So, when you have one of these non-healing wounds, you inject the stem cells, you lay down new collagen, you lay down new regularly formed blood vessels, and then you grow skin.

Ben:  Then the nerves.

Harry:  It's the same concept if you've got low back pain or neck pain or hip or joint pain. Whatever it is, those joint surfaces are chronically irritated. We inject the stem cells, tricks your body into thinking that you've undergone a new injury, launching the body's natural healing cascade without actually having caused any tissue damage. You get all the benefit of a healing response without actually having been injured.

Ben:  So, would this be one of the reasons why people would do things like foam rolling and deep tissue work for the collagenous component, to get rid of a lot of the cross-linking of the fibers? I interviewed a guy in Joel Greene. He calls it maintaining young muscle. Because theoretically, if the collagen cross-linking and fascial adhesions are too aggressive, then what you'd get underneath that is neovascularization lay down of nerves that follow those same abnormal pathways and potentially increased pain with age just from not keeping up with your deep tissue mobility type work. Is that fair to say that could be causing a little bit of that?

Harry:  Yeah, absolutely. So, for instance, the worst-looking X-rays and MRIs that I've seen are dentists. Think about dentists. Most of them are very active people in the weekends. They're in a hockey league and so they're bashing themselves up, they're weekend warriors, they're bashing themselves up on the weekend.

Ben:  So, funny you say because I have two dentists that play hockey.

Harry:  Yeah. I mean, they're into extreme sports. And then, Monday through Friday, they sit in one position in this sort of awkward weird position for 10 hours at a time. And so, on the weekend, they break everything down. And then, during the remodeling phase, during the week when you're supposed to be–because you're constantly remodeling your tissue, and that's why we say sitting is the new smoking because if you sit in one position for long periods of time, it grows in weird ways. So, my dentist and also to an extent truck drivers, I've seen that a lot. They just have the worst-looking x-rays because they do this heavy lifting or something and then they sit for eight hours. 

Ben:  I have a family member, a very close family member who sits and plays the piano a lot who's developed over the past three years fibromyalgia, just like this unexplainable pain chronic debilitating that won't go away. Do you think that in somebody like that, is there a link between neovascularization and fibromyalgia?

Harry:  Long periods of sitting, I mean, this is why–and, when I was in naturopathic school, I stood in a box of sand barefoot, which people thought was weird, but you're sitting for long periods, it does bad things–

Ben:  Wait, you stood in a box of sand barefoot?

Harry:  Yes.

Ben:  Why?

Harry:  Because we had to endure eight hours a day of lecture. So, I had this Rubbermaid box that I put playground sand in and I just had bare feet. And, I would just dig my feet in–

Ben:  During the lecture?

Harry:  Yeah. For eight because we have–

Ben:  Oh, geez, you were early adopter, the whole standing workstation thing in a sandbox.

Harry:  Pretty much, yeah.

Ben:  Wow, that's why cats loved you.

Harry:  Yeah, on the lid I had a picture of a cat with an X through it.

Ben:  Oh, my gosh, that's funny. Okay. So, a lot of this, the pain, especially in the spine and the joints, those are results of the non-healing wound. And, that's a lot of the protocols you'd find yourself doing?

Harry:  That's right, that's right. That's exactly right. So, the idea with Docere Clinics, about half the treatments we do are site-specific, meaning someone has low back pain, they have neck pain, we do their neck, we do their low back, we do their neck, we just do the areas that bother them. But, that was how Full-Body Stem Cell Makeover came about was it started out because I was doing these big treatments on these busted-up old cowboys who had arthritis through their entire bodies. And then, I started getting biohackers who are like, “Well, can't you just do it preventatively? I want to do my whole body because I don't have,” for instance, “hip pain yet, but who's to say that I won't in 10 years?” And, it made sense to me because if we're turning back the hands of time and restoring health to the joint surfaces, it makes sense to me to do it preventatively in addition to doing it when somebody–

Ben:  I've had a lot of pro athletes since I did the full body makeover with you who have contacted me and been like, “Well, I don't have any serious issues if this is something that would help me. And, I tell them kind of the same reason that I got them. “Well, if it extends your career, your longevity and keeps the pain that's going to take you out of your career from happening in the future, it's a good idea.” I mean, that's why I did with you. As you know, I was racing Spartan Race in the first year, I wasn't super messed up but I did it as almost like this anti-aging hack. Back then, I was probably almost too infatuated I want to stay 30 years old forever or whatever. And now, I'm gracefully embracing aging. 

But, I did another protocol last year. Again, just because this idea of, “Hey, my joints can be around, whatever, 80, 90, throwing around football with my grandkids. I think it's a great idea.” So, the idea is either people who have pain in a joint or joints or people who just want joint longevity or not to be in chronic pain when they age. Those would be the two primary people who would come to you for a Full-Body Stem Cell Makeover.

Harry:  Yeah. And, I can't say that it prevents arthritis with any scientific certainty but it makes sense to me that it might.

Ben:  When I did it, you did the bone marrow, like we said, and you did the VSELs. Now that you're free to talk about what you're doing, you're going to change anything as far as the way you do the protocol?

Harry:  Well, I actually am going to start experimenting with the allogenic. I finally found a laboratory that I feel comfortable with. And, I just have some–

Ben:  Again, for the allogenic, for people who need a reminder, that's a placental, the umbilical–

Harry:  Right, right. So, they have some products that are actual cells, they have other products that are growth factors, and I just have so many people asking about it. I don't even necessarily want it for me, but when I last did a deep dive into it about three years ago, I wasn't satisfied with the safety literature. But, there's been so much published in the last three years that it really appears to be completely safe.

Ben:  What is it about that you think might be better? If it were better, would it just be the ability to have a higher stem cell count or something like that from the allogenic?

Harry:  Well, I think they probably are in a sense more potent.

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  And so, now, I only treat musculoskeletal pain. But, if somebody is, for instance, say, God forbid, they come down with MS or Parkinson's or something like that, those are the people who might want to go abroad to do culture-expanded umbilical cord stem cells because they need massive doses every month or two months for the rest of their lives.

Ben:  Alright, so kind of an uncomfortable question because a lot of people ask me like, when you did the stem cell injection with your genitals, were you afraid you're going to get dick cancer? And, I told them, well, I actually did go and read a lot of the PubMed research on how this has been used for years for Peyronie's disease or erectile dysfunction or things of that nature. I wasn't just going and cowboying it with zero data, but it begs the question with you doing the autologous with the option of the birth tissue growth factors, the allogenic component, are you literally going to be guinea pigging on people and then just seeing what happens? Are you going to have little baby mice in there or how you plan doing things?

Harry:  It'll be guinea pigging and that I personally don't have much experience with it. I did those cases in Colombia, but I mean, that was a number of years ago. And, it wasn't a huge number of cases.

Ben:  Okay.

Harry:  But, if there is, I believe, sufficient data at this point to at least show that it is safe. So, I feel comfortable doing it.

Ben:  Yeah, interesting. You think you would do it, the Full-Body Stem Cell Makeover?

Harry:  I have had it done.

Ben:  Oh, you have?

Harry:  Yeah, I did a couple years ago.

Ben:  Harry, does this on all sorts of people, but I didn't know if you'd train somebody to do what you do on yourself.

Harry:  I had an associate for a while. I trained him to the point of doing a full body. He did it on me.

Ben:  Okay. So, you know what it feels like, yeah.

Harry:  Then, he demanded that I'd triple his salary, so I let him go.

Ben:  I do warn people afterwards, I did a Spartan Race five days after I did the first one and I was kind of taped up and my joints were a little sore. But, you're sore for a good week or so after.

Harry:  Yeah, yeah. I beat you up. I mean, it's a big treatment, it needs to be respected–

Ben:  And, friends who have had to do it, they call me up the next day like, “Ben, I think I made a mistake, I can't move.” You'll be fine, just take a couple days, walk, go easy, don't go swing the kettlebells. And, within about three days, you start to feel mobility come back. And, at least in my experience, in like a week, you feel pretty good. That's been great.

Harry:  Yeah. I say, “Hate me now, love me later.”

Ben:  Yeah.

Harry:  It's rough in the beginning.

Ben:  Yeah, exactly.

Harry:  It was for me when I had it done. I felt like I was hit by a car for a couple of days. But then, about six months later, I realized I just had no pain in my entire body.

Ben:  The procedure itself you're asleep the whole time.

Harry:  Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

Ben:  Yeah. So, I don't remember what happens for an hour after. I remember counting down and then waking up in your office and yeah, then walking across the street to the beautiful hotel.

Okay. So, the stem cell makeover, the full body makeover is expensive. People know that. You're paying with 45,000 or something–

Harry:  Depending on which, it's 40 or 60.

Ben:  Yeah, depending on what level, but either way expensive.

Harry:  Yeah.

Ben:  So, you recently had an article that came out on my website about this thing called STYM, S-T-Y-M. I don't know if people read that, but it was essentially how to get a lot of what you're getting from the full body protocol. But, for people who maybe aren't elite rich biohackers or pro athletes or something, explain what the STYM is.

Harry:  Yeah. So, Docere Clinics, it's been cool the evolution of how I do things and it's been–I love what I do, but it has gotten very expensive. And, the reason is, it costs a fortune around my place and all of this stuff costs money. I'm not gouging, it's just the product is very expensive. So, I realize that it's beyond the reach of many and even just on that, the article that we did on your website, there was a lot of feedback of people saying how is this going to become affordable to the rest of the world.

Ben:  Yeah.

Harry:  So, I've partnered with a friend, a new friend, Dr. Josh Redd, who some of your listeners might know, he's got 200,000 Instagram followers.

Ben:  Yeah. I've never hung out with him but we met briefly. You introduced us over the phone. I haven't actually met him, but he seemed like a cool guy.

Harry:  Yeah. He's got a chain of autoimmune clinics here in the U.S. And so, he has a lot of experience scaling businesses, which I think I don't. I mean, I only have experience doing stem cell medicine. So, we are going to together create STYM Clinic. So, STYM Clinics, I'm currently in the process of training the nurse anesthetist that's worked with me for almost five years in how to do a lot of this stuff, sort of the 20% of the injections that I do that work 80% of the time. And, once he gets fully trained and we're going to open up series of clinics around the United States that's going to offer the same–I call it the kitchen sink approach. We're using bone marrow and we're using fat. We're using VSEL. Potentially, we're going to use these birth tissue cells. Instead of the sort of 20,000 and up range, it's going to be more 2,000 to 10,000–

Ben:  But, by joint, meaning like–

Harry:  It's not going to full–

Ben:  “I don't want to do the full body thing, maybe it'd be cool but I don't have the money. But, man, my knee and my elbow are beat up, do everything you do in the full body but just do my knee and my elbow.”

Harry:  Right. So, STYM Clinics is not going to offer Full-Body Stem Cell Makeover, but they'll do, if someone wants to have their low back and their hips and their knees done, then they'll be able to have that done–

Ben:  Yeah. And then, right now Park City is the main place where people do the full-body one.

Harry:  It's the only place.

Ben:  The only place, okay. Yeah, but the STYM Clinics are going to be around the U.S.

Harry:  STYM Clinics, we're going to start in Salt Lake, the second one will probably be in St. George and we'll just do some market research, decide where to go next.

Ben:  I probably know 50 people who want to do something like that who aren't doing the full body just basically because of the price tag.

Harry:  Yeah.

Ben:  Yeah. Okay. Now, do you also have the tithing thing because I thought–I should mention it because it's kind of cool. I like that you did this.

Harry:  Yeah. So, the tithing has been going strong now for close to five years. So, one day per month at Docere Clinics, we offer treatment add no charge to the medically underserved. So, first people have to demonstrate that they're in fact living below poverty line. Once we determine that, there's two pathways for enrollment. One is for combat service veterans. If you've served this country in combat, I'll do the treatment for free. I'm happy to do it. If you're not a combat service veteran, I will do it in exchange for documentation of community service hours. 

So, we've essentially got Docere Clinics, which is the Cadillac. It's expensive. If you shop around in the United States, we're quite a bit more expensive. But, if you look at the value, we're doing all these different bone marrow and fat and VSEL. And, everything is under IV sedation from a board-certified anesthesiologist. And so, I mean, there's all this added value. So, that's Docere Clinics. 

Then, STYM Clinics is going to be sort of a simplified version, it's going to be treatment of low back, treatment of the neck, hips, knees, that sore shoulders, that sort of thing. We'll have menu items. Some people can just do VSEL that'll probably be the least expensive. We can do VSEL and bone marrow. Like I said, menu items. And then, the tithing program is for people who can't afford any of it and need to be treated for free.

Ben:  Got it. So, what I'm going to do is I'm going to put at BenGreenfieldLife.com/STYM, S-T-Y-M, what I'm going to do is put all the shownotes for everything you heard today where you can also leave your comments and your questions and your feedback. Usually, me or Dr. Harry will jump into one of those. But then, what I'll also do because we probably scratched the surface of everything that happens during the Full-Body Stem Cell Makeover, I'll link to the other episodes that we did on that. I don't know, is the video still hanging around on YouTube of you doing that protocol on me, or did they have to take it down? We played that on the on the Joe Rogan Show that YouTube. It was a cool clip.

Harry:  Do you mean the time-lapse video?

Ben:  Yeah, the time-lapse video.

Harry:  Yeah, that's still up.

Ben:  Okay, it's still up. Okay. So, I'll link to that if people want to see the time-lapse video not safe for work or at least the dinner table, but it's me getting the whole stem cell protocol done. I'll also link to the article for those of you who are more visual that Harry wrote that kind of details the STYM protocol. And so, you can leave all your questions and your comments and your feedback over there. And again, like the STYM thing is going to start off in Salt Lake, but I think it's cool. This is going to be available, so you can just pop in wham bam, thank you, man, get a joint done, and use all the stuff you've talked about. I guess we'll just keep people posted on how it goes with the autologous combined with the allogenic.

Harry:  Yeah, yeah.

Ben:  But, if that works out, you can start doing that in the STYM Clinics too.

Harry:  Yeah, I believe so. If there's interest because we've just had so many people asking about it. 

Ben:  Yeah.

Harry:  And, STYM Clinics, by the way, were already functioning just out of my clinic. And, once we sort of get up and going a little more and get everything more established, then we'll move him down to Salt Lake.

Ben:  Alright, got it. Cool. Anything else you want to cover, Harry?

Harry:  None.

Ben:  I think we got through. I didn't know about this. You told me you want to talk about the ruling but I didn't realize how recent or important that is, so that's super cool. And, congratulations because it sounds like it's actually good for you too.

Harry:  Yeah. Well, congratulations to Sean Berman in Los Angeles who's the one who went toe to toe with the FDA and won.

Ben:  Yeah. I don't think I know Sean, but hi, Sean. And then, for everybody listening, BenGreenfieldLife.com/S-T-Y-M. Harry, thanks once again for coming on the show. You're always a wealth of information, man.

Harry:  Thanks, Ben.

Ben:  More than ever these days, people like you and me need a fresh entertaining, well-informed, and often outside-the-box approach to discovering the health, and happiness, and hope that we all crave. So, I hope I've been able to do that for you on this episode today. And, if you liked it or if you love what I'm up to, then please leave me a review on your preferred podcast listening channel wherever that might be, and just find the Ben Greenfield Life episode. Say something nice. Thanks so much. It means a lot.



Several years ago, I traveled to Park City, Utah, where I underwent one of the most advanced, fringe biohacking procedures for longevity that, to my knowledge at least, currently exists. I literally had almost every joint in my body injected with stem cells, from toe to head, and then several organs too, including my skin and genitals.

Now don't laugh.

This is not much different than the standard stem cell protocols people do every day for getting rid of joint pain, growing hair, smoothing skin, improving sexual performance, or increasing longevity, but the protocol that I did just does it all at once, which is kind of unheard of.

No surprises here: the effects were pretty profound for me, including notably faster workout recovery (as in, almost immediate recovery from soul-crushing workouts), getting sick less, a somewhat more youthful appearance (reduction of wrinkles, greater hair volume, darker hair coloration, etc.), shockingly improved sexual performance, particularly for erection firmness and size…pretty much everything else I wanted out of the procedure. Any of my friends who have wound up in Park City since for the same protocol have reported similar results back to me. So there's definitely something to this.

So what is this treatment called, exactly? It's one of the most cutting-edge forays into self-experimentation I've ever had performed on my body, and it's called a Full Body Stem Cell Makeover. The procedure was designed by Drs. Harry Adelson and Dr. Amy Killen of the Docere Clinics, and what it entailed was injecting my entire body with my own stem cells.

Dr. Adelson was one of the early adopters of stem cell therapy for pain treatment. He began his training in regenerative injection therapy (prolotherapy) in 1998 while in his final year at The National College of Naturopathic Medicine, in Portland, Oregon, after being cured of a rock-climbing injury with prolotherapy. From the day he opened the Docere Clinic, he has been performing 100% regenerative injection therapies for treating musculoskeletal pain conditions. For a deep video dive into Docere Clinics, watch Dr. Adelson's 60-minute Nick Nanton film “The Stem Cell Solution” and also listen to these podcast episodes:

In 2006, Dr. Adelson incorporated platelet-rich plasma and ultrasound-guided injection, in 2010, bone marrow aspirate concentrate and adipose-derived (fat-derived) stem cells, and in 2013, fluoroscopic-guided injection (motion X-ray).

Since February 2010, Dr. Adelson has performed over 7,000 bone marrow and adipose-derived adult stem cell procedures and has injected stem cells into over 2,000 intervertebral discs, placing him among those most experienced in the world with the use of autologous stem cells for the treatment of musculoskeletal pain conditions.

Dr. Killen, who is Dr. Adelson's partner on this protocol, has spoken nationally about platelet-rich plasma (PRP) and stem cell therapies and teaches a physician training course for Apex Biologix outlining current best practices for regenerative therapies in aesthetics and sexual optimization.

After my first stem cell makeover in 2018, I visited with Drs. Adelson and Killen on my podcast to talk in detail about the procedure and my results. Since then, there have been several notable advances in the science of stem cells and regenerative medicine. So this past April, I had the Docere Clinic doctors back on the show to follow up and – you guessed it – after we recorded the podcast, I underwent a second full-body stem cell makeover using all the latest tactics up the doctors' sleeves (you can also watch a video of me getting hooked up for that procedure here). Now that I've experienced all those results again, but even more noticeably, perhaps because I'm five years older, I now plan on continuing to repeat this protocol or a version of it for years to come. It is literally the closest thing to the fountain of youth I've ever experienced.

Pop in.

Get younger.

Pop out.

Boom. Done. Younger again.

Now, this is admittedly not an inexpensive treatment, costing tens of thousands of dollars. The facility is state-of-the-art, the machines are top-of-line, and both doctors attend to you throughout the hours-long procedure – so the costs obviously add up, and was previously really only available to those who wanted to invest in their bodies the way they would invest in a fine Ferrari.

However, you're about to learn how a special variant of this procedure is making stem cell therapy available to a much wider base of people through a new clinic and a tithing program. You'll learn more about the background and history of stem cell therapy, the latest on musculoskeletal pain and longevity, and the future of stem cell treatments. Enjoy this podcast, in which I interview the stem cell genius himself: Dr. Harry Adelson.

During our discussion, you'll discover:

-Who is Dr. Harry Adelson?…06:34

-The backstory and development of the stem cell industry…08:50

  • In 2010 very few people were involved in the industry
  • Kristin Comella isolated stem cells from fat, how to process safely in a doctor's clinic
    • In 2017 the FDA sued her and shut her down 
    • Accused of drug manufacturing without FDA approval (stem cells from your own body is a drug)
    • Summary judgment – guilty with no trial

-Autologous therapy vs. allogenic therapy…18:48

  • Ben’s experience with stem cell treatment
  • Two major categories of stem-cell therapy
    1. Autologous – the donor and recipient are the same person
    2. Allogeneic – the donor and recipient are different persons- birth tissue products
  • Article: Supporting Scalable Cell Therapy Using Allogeneic Workflows
  • Autologous therapy
      1. Bone marrow stem cells – used mostly in cancer treatment with consistently good results (10% non-respond rate)
      2. Fat – when it worked, more effective than bone marrow (30% non-respond rate)
      3. Combination of the two is the best (consistency of the bone marrow with the augmented outcome of the fat)
  • VSEL – Very Small Embryonic Like stem cells (smaller than red blood cells, almost as primitive as embryonic stem cells) 
    • Exists in the blood in large numbers but are inactive
    • Extreme techniques are needed to activate them
    • Dr. Todd Ovokaitys developed the laser (holotropic filter) that activates VSELs
    • To get VSELs
      • Blood draw
      • Spin down PRP
      • Zap with the laser for 3 minutes
  • Article: Embryonic Stem Cells
  • Article: Qi Technology
  • Article: A Mom Is Registering Black Bone Marrow Donors To Help Save Her 14-year-Old Son

-The state of the stem cell industry in the U.S. now…28:00

-Why sitting is the new smoking…42:55

  • The worst looking MRIs and X-rays come from dentists and truckers
    • On weekends very active people
    • On weekdays, sit in one awkward position for a long period of time
  • Long periods of sitting are dangerous
  • The beginnings of Full Body Stem Cell Makeover protocol
    • For joint pain or for joint longevity
  • Changes in protocol
    • Experimenting with allogenic therapy
    • Getting more potent stem cells
    • There is enough data to know it is safe
  • Several days needed for recovery

-What is a STYM Clinic?…51:34

-And much more…

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  1. Erwin F Galan says:

    Dr. Adelson,
    As you probably know, Kristen’s pre-2017 clinic was sold and renamed American Cell technology. That new clinic is FDA registered and inspected. Ironically, they are storing and culturing autologous stem cells. Are you aware of this and what is your opinion of culturing stem cells from adipose tissue?

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