November 4, 2021

It's protein time, baby.

Get strapped in to have all your burning questions about protein answered…

…including:

-How much protein you really need…

-The difference between all of the different kinds of protein powders out there…

-Whey concentrate vs. hydrolysate vs. isolate…

-How to choose the right protein for your needs…

-Animal vs. plant protein…

-The fascinating history of whey protein…

-And much more!

In this podcast episode, I interview Angelo Keely, a previous podcast guest who appeared in the episode “What Yoga Trapezes, Laser Lights, Kettlebells, Mini-Meditation & Ketogenic Doughnuts Have To Do With Building A Nutrition Supplements Empire.”

Angelo Keely is the co-founder and CEO of Kion, an active lifestyle, supplement, and functional food company dedicated to helping people fully experience a joyful, active life by providing pure, energy-enhancing solutions. Angelo has a truly diverse and unique background having put himself through college as a professional musician—beatboxing, rapping, and drumming.

During our discussion, you'll discover:

-Ben's desire to make the Pumpkin Spice Colostrum Cake…05:45

• Kion's “Pumpkin Spice Colostrum Cream Cake” recipe
• Kion Colostrum

-How Angelo Keely has become a world-renowned expert on protein…09:50

• Was raised as an all-natural, “crunchy” kid in the 80s
• Pescatarian and plant-based diet
• Learned the importance of mixing protein sources from a very young age
• Mom was obsessed with amino acids (AAs)
• Traumatic incident at age of 16; began whey protein as a means of recovery
• Underwent a health transformation in 2020

-How Angelo Keely and his health transformation caused a hyper-focus on protein and amino acids…15:30

• Watched calorie intake; upped daily protein intake; strength training
• Higher protein intake, good sources, allows satiety with lower calorie intake
• Protein Leverage Hypothesis

• Took up to 60g of aminos per day at times
• Ben's Nighttime Jell-O recipe with amino acids and collagen  (1 cube has roughly 10g of amino acids and 15-20g of collagen)
  • Kion Aminos
  • Great Lakes beef gelatin
  • Wholesome Allulose zero calorie sweetener
  • Organic coconut water
• Podcasts with Joel Greene:
  • Carnivore Diet, Raw Beans, Lectin Myths, Pre-Sleep Gelatin, Apple Peels & More – Q&A Episode With Joel Greene!
  • Joel Greene Podcast Part 2: How To Reshape Fat Cells, Enhance Repair During Sleep, Target Your “Circaseptan Rhythms,” Build Young Muscle & Get Rid Of Old Muscle.
  • Joel Greene Podcast Part 1: How To Reboot The Gut, Eat Cheesecake Without Gaining Weight, Amplify Any Fasting Protocol & Maximize Fat Loss.
• Dr. Robert Wolfe
  • Branched-chain amino acids and muscle protein synthesis in humans: myth or reality?
• Podcast with Dr. David Minkoff
  • Amino Acids, BCAA’s, EAA’s, Ketosis, Bonking & More With 41 Time Ironman Triathlete Dr. David Minkoff.
  • The Search For The Perfect Protein (The Surprising Truth About A Little-Known Supernutrient For Weight Loss, Mood, Fatigue, Insomnia, and More)
  • Episode #105: A Peek Into The Life of An Ironman, Natural Medicine Physician.
  • How Hidden Sources Of Heavy Metals Are Destroying Your Health, And What You Can Do About It.
• Podcasts with Mark Sisson:
  • The Keto Reset Diet: Reboot Your Metabolism in 21 Days and Burn Fat Forever.
  • Primal Endurance: How To Escape Chronic Cardio & Carbohydrate Dependency & Become A Fat Burning Beast.
• Podcast with Dr. Robert Slovak:
  • Is “Drinkable” Seawater The Future Of Health Tonics?, How “Quinton” Works, Isotonic vs. Hypertonic & Much More With Water Researcher Robert Slovak.
  • Water & Water Filtration: Everything You Need To Know About Water Filters, Alkaline Water, Structured Water, Hydrogen-Rich Water, Deuterium Depleted Water & Much More!
• Kion Aminos
• Kion Clean Protein

-Overview of the different types of amino acids…31:30

• BGF aminos articles:
  • The Secret Darling Of The Nutrition Supplements Industry & Why Ben Greenfield Has Changed His Mind On Amino Acids: Myths, Deception & Truth Of BCAAs vs. EAAs.
• Protein article:
  • The Ultimate Guide to Protein & Protein Powders, The Truth About Whey Protein Isolate, Protein Dosing/Timing Guide (& My Brand New Rich, Creamy, Delicious Clean Protein Smoothie Recipe).
• High level aminos are the building blocks of proteins in the body (second largest component after water)
• 20 amino acids are responsible for producing protein in the body; 9 of these are “essential”
• Essential = our bodies cannot make them; must be consumed exogenously
• BCAAs (branched-chain amino acids) are 3 of the 9 essentials: leucine, isoleucine, and valine
  • BCAA – 3
  • EAA – 6
  • NEAA (non-essential amino acids) – 11
• Leucine has been tied to muscle protein synthesis
• Taking only the BCAAs without the other 6 essentials will not produce the results you're looking for
• Our bodies want all 9 EAAs together
• Eating foods that don't have all 9 together leads to brain fog, weight gain, neurotransmitter issues, etc.

-Creatine as an amino acid…39:48

• Kion Creatine
• BGF articles on creatine:
  • The Dirt Cheap, Widely Available Natural Molecule That Is One Of The Most Well-Researched Supplements For Cognition, Muscle Repair, Endurance, Testosterone & Much More.
  • Can This Low-Cost, Highly-Researched, Incredibly Safe Peptide Help You Sleep Less and Not Pay For It Later? (Plus 6 Strategies to Mitigate the Effects of Sleep Deprivation)
• Creatine is a non-essential AA (the body can synthesize it with glycine and arginine)
• Important benefits for performance
• If only plant proteins are consumed, there are likely low levels of creatine

-The appropriate amount of protein and aminos to intake…42:45

• AAs by themselves are not protein, but proteins are partly AAs
• 20g of AAs has same amount of EAAs as 40g of whey protein isolate
• Hard to determine an exact amount of AAs and protein intake per day
• RDA is .3g of protein for every lb. for a sedentary person
• People with active lifestyles, athletes require far more AAs (.5-.8 g per lb.)
• Numbers go way up if you're strength training or trying to lose weight
• Too much protein in one sitting loses the efficacy

-The ranking of the quality of animal-based protein sources…50:45

• Protein digestibility corrected amino acid score (PDCAAS)
• New ranking system is Digestible Indispensable Amino Acid Score (DIAAS)
• Elial digestion determination vs. fecal digestion
• Organ meats ranks toward the top; chicken is high but has issues; dairy is toward the low end
• Podcast with Teri Cochrane, author of The Wildatarian Diet
  • The Wildatarian Diet: Living As Nature Intended: A Customized Nutritional Approach for Optimal Health, Energy and Vitality.
  • Time Traveling To Heal Trauma, Hyper-Customization Of Diet & Supplements, Past Life vs. Epigenetics & Much More With Teri Cochrane.
• Soy ranks super high, but concerns with it
• Tempe, natto, fermented tofu, pea protein, spirulina, quinoa, millet are some of the higher plant-based sources
• Hemp protein contain metals from the earth, beware of metal exposure
• Search results for “dirty dozen plants”
• Protein sources:
  • The Ultimate Guide to Protein & Protein Powders, The Truth About Whey Protein Isolate, Protein Dosing/Timing Guide (& My Brand New Rich, Creamy, Delicious Clean Protein Smoothie Recipe).

-The good and bad when it comes to protein powders…59:00

• BGF amino acids article:
  • The Secret Darling Of The Nutrition Supplements Industry & Why Ben Greenfield Has Changed His Mind On Amino Acids: Myths, Deception & Truth Of BCAAs vs. EAAs.
• Animal based vs. plant based is the main delineator
• Whey protein is the most common animal-based protein
• Casein from dairy
• Check the AA profile
• How much leucine does it have?
• Some functions of leucine
  • Muscle protein synthesis
  • Regulates the production of anabolic endocrine hormones
  • Stimulation of insulin that enhances the uptake of other amino acids
  • Modulates the mTOR pathway
• How can one get more protein with less calories?
• Whey concentrate is the simplest form of protein (about 80% protein)
• Whey isolate separates the carbs and fat; more protein for less calories and remove the lactose (about 90% protein)
• Whey protein hydrolysate removes everything but the protein (about 99% protein); more expensive to make
• Choosing a dairy source that is grass fed will dramatically affect the protein profile and quality
• Clean Label Project study of protein powders

-Concerns and problems with the safety certifications…1:07:30

• Organic, “grass-fed” can be misleading
• There is no such thing as a 100% grass-fed whey protein

-The long history of whey protein…1:12:25

• Archaeologists discovered pure whey from as far back as 7,000 years ago
• Hippocrates prescribed whey for immune issues, skin conditions, etc.
• European whey houses 400-500 years ago
• Tendency to bash what has been around for a long time
• Science proves whey to be the superior protein powder

-How to get a protein powder that doesn't taste like ash…1:16:10

• Use the highest quality beef and raw ingredients possible
• Organic natural flavors
• Stevia
• Himalayan salt cuts down on the sweetness
• Kion article: 10 Unique Ways to Use Protein Powder

-And much more with Angelo Keely!

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Click here for the full written transcript of this podcast episode.

Resources from this episode:

– Angelo Keely:

• Kion
• What Yoga Trapezes, Laser Lights, Kettlebells, Mini-Meditation & Ketogenic Doughnuts Have To Do With Building A Nutrition Supplements Empire.
• Kion Colostrum
• Kion Aminos
• Kion Clean Protein
• Kion Creatine
• Kion's Pumpkin Spice Colostrum Cream Cake
• Kion Articles On Protein:
  • 10 Unique Ways to Use Protein Powder 
  • Whey Protein 101
  • Leucine: The Muscle-Building EAA Changing the Performance Game
  • How To Use Amino Acids
  • How To Get More Protein On A Plant-Based Diet
  • How To Choose The Healthiest Protein Powder For Your Body
• Ben's Nighttime Jello Recipe With Amino Acids And Collagen

– Podcasts And Articles:

• Carnivore Diet, Raw Beans, Lectin Myths, Pre-Sleep Gelatin, Apple Peels & More – Q&A Episode With Joel Greene!
• Joel Greene Podcast Part 2: How To Reshape Fat Cells, Enhance Repair During Sleep, Target Your “Circaseptan Rhythms,” Build Young Muscle & Get Rid Of Old Muscle.
• Joel Greene Podcast Part 1: How To Reboot The Gut, Eat Cheesecake Without Gaining Weight, Amplify Any Fasting Protocol & Maximize Fat Loss.
• Amino Acids, BCAA’s, EAA’s, Ketosis, Bonking & More With 41 Time Ironman Triathlete Dr. David Minkoff.
• The Search For The Perfect Protein (The Surprising Truth About A Little-Known Supernutrient For Weight Loss, Mood, Fatigue, Insomnia, and More)
• Episode #105: A Peek Into The Life of An Ironman, Natural Medicine Physician.
• How Hidden Sources Of Heavy Metals Are Destroying Your Health, And What You Can Do About It.
• The Keto Reset Diet: Reboot Your Metabolism in 21 Days and Burn Fat Forever.
• Primal Endurance: How To Escape Chronic Cardio & Carbohydrate Dependency & Become A Fat Burning Beast.
• Is “Drinkable” Seawater The Future Of Health Tonics?, How “Quinton” Works, Isotonic vs. Hypertonic & Much More With Water Researcher Robert Slovak.
• Water & Water Filtration: Everything You Need To Know About Water Filters, Alkaline Water, Structured Water, Hydrogen-Rich Water, Deuterium Depleted Water & Much More!
• The Wildatarian Diet: Living As Nature Intended: A Customized Nutritional Approach for Optimal Health, Energy and Vitality.
• Time Traveling To Heal Trauma, Hyper-Customization Of Diet & Supplements, Past Life vs. Epigenetics & Much More With Teri Cochrane.
• The Secret Darling Of The Nutrition Supplements Industry & Why Ben Greenfield Has Changed His Mind On Amino Acids: Myths, Deception & Truth Of BCAAs vs. EAAs.
• The Ultimate Guide to Protein & Protein Powders, The Truth About Whey Protein Isolate, Protein Dosing/Timing Guide (& My Brand New Rich, Creamy, Delicious Clean Protein Smoothie Recipe).
• The Dirt Cheap, Widely Available Natural Molecule That Is One Of The Most Well-Researched Supplements For Cognition, Muscle Repair, Endurance, Testosterone & Much More.
• Can This Low-Cost, Highly-Researched, Incredibly Safe Peptide Help You Sleep Less and Not Pay For It Later? (Plus 6 Strategies to Mitigate the Effects of Sleep Deprivation)

– Other Resources:

• Spirulina
• Quinoa
• Millet
• Stevia
• Himalayan Salt
• Protein Leverage Hypothesis
• Branched-Chain Amino Acids And Muscle Protein Synthesis In Humans: Myth Or Reality?
• Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score (PDCAAS)
• Digestible Indispensable Amino Acid Score (DIAAS)
• Elial And Fecal Digestibility
• Dirty Dozen Plants
• Clean Label Project Study Of Protein Powders
• Archaeologists Find Ancient Evidence Of Cheese-Making
• Whey Beverages: A Review

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Do you have questions, thoughts, or feedback for Angelo Keely or me? Leave your comments below and one of us will reply!