[Transcript] – Natural & Free Ways To Alter Your State Of Mind, Biohacks & Smart Drugs For Mental Upgrades, Biohacking A Healthy Home, Ben’s Top Productivity Tips & Much More!

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[00:00:00] Introduction

[00:00:58] Podcast Sponsors

[00:08:17] About this Podcast

[00:09:30] Joseph Anew introduces the RUNGA State of Mind panel

[00:10:25] Where does your mind go when you hear the term free medicine, in terms of state of mind?

[00:19:49] How do ritual and routine play into our ability to balance life with biohacks?

[00:26:59] What are substances that can help keep us in a desired mental state or bring us into it?

[00:37:11] For a long day at work, what biohacking devices should you use?

[00:46:00] Podcast Sponsors

[00:50:10] Q&A

[00:51:33] Question: How do you balance being an online influencer and giving things like social media the attention it needs without getting sucked into that world?

[00:54:40] Question: Key things you've been looking for in your search for a healthy home?

[01:01:47] Question: How to mitigate the information and circadian rhythm issues if you don't have a traditional work schedule?

[01:06:08] Question: When is the best time to eat dinner, especially if you cannot eat super early?

[01:09:00] Question: What's going on with Ben's knees?

[01:11:18] Question: What is a good diet for dogs?

[01:12:50] Question: How long should pre-menopausal women fast?

[01:15:15] Question: What is the best kind of training for longevity?

[01:18:25] Hiring at Ben Greenfield Life

[01:19:59] End of Podcast

Ben:  My name is Ben Greenfield. And, on this episode of the Ben Greenfield Life podcast.

A lot of it is intuitive. Just get yourself kind of cold every once in a while, and then get hot every once in a while, and make yourself suck air every once in a while, some kettlebells, and have family dinners or go out to a social event a couple of times a week. But, there's not like rules. Your head is not going to explode if you're 34 degrees instead of 36 degrees in the ice bath. So, I think some people think all the experts are saying “Do this and do that because we live in this information overload era,” but honestly, it's not that complex, you just go out and sprinkle this stuff in throughout the day and you feel great.

Faith, family, fitness, health, performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and a whole lot more. Welcome to the show.

Alright, this is cool, but you want to pay attention because it's coming up right around the corner on Friday, December 2nd. You're going to get a chance to join me and some really powerful healing physicians down in Sarasota, Florida. This is a live event. It goes from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. I'll be there, my friend, and a brilliant former podcast guest, The Doctor Strange of Medicine, Dr. John Lieurance is going to be there, HBOT USA, Dr. Jason and Melissa Sonners are going to be there with their Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy, Brian Richards of SaunaSpace, Harry Paul, one of John's friends who I recently met who's also an amazing healer for an event that's super unique. It's all based around the elements: earth, fire, air, and water, with a ton of treatments and technologies and modalities, and very unique biohacks that you're going to get exposed to during the entire event.

Basically, what I mean by that is when it comes to air, you're going to learn about hyperbaric oxygen, and ozone, and air filtration, everything you need to know to upgrade your air. When it comes to earth, pulsed electromagnetic field therapy, earthing, grounding, a host of other ways that you can use the power of the planet to enhance your health, your sleep, your recovery, your muscle gain, your fat loss, a lot more water. You'll learn about proper water filtration, how to upgrade your water, hydrogenated water, structured water, basically soup to nuts, everything you need to know about water and how to apply it in your home and your office and your life. And then, finally fire, is a fun one. Lots of cryotherapy, a little bit of ice too, breathwork, inner fire practices, a ton of stuff when it comes to introducing the element of fire into your life.

So, this event is super unique. John and I have been working on it behind the scenes and it has come together amazingly. There's even a VIP experience. If you sign up for the VIP experience, you could come two days early or stay a few days after the event, and basically, you will get all the medical protocols customized by Dr. John and his staff if you claim one of those 10 VIP spots. That'll include IV methylene blue, laser treatments, John's really unique bliss release, which is basically an endonasal adjustment, which is essentially a chiropractic adjustment through your nose for your entire skull, which if you've had TBI or concussion or allergies or things like that in the past, it totally reboots that entire system. There's going to also be ozone treatments, Myers' IV cocktails, exosome treatments, IV laser, access to a CVAC machine. And, John's entire facility is going to be at your beck and call if you got one of the VIP tickets.

And then, we're also probably going to have a little bit of a party later on in the evening after this event. The whole thing is going to be a pinch-me-I'm-dreaming full-on cutting-edge of biohacking experience. And, I'm just now letting the world know about it so spots are going to fill up pretty fast. Space is limited, but if you want to get in now, here's how. You go to BenGreenfieldLife.com/Elements-Event. That's BenGreenfieldLife.com/Elements-Event. It's in Sarasota, Florida. Again, it's all-day Friday, December 2nd. I would come in early and stay after. If you just want to try out all the crazy modalities there. I don't know how fast those VIP tickets are going to sell out, but either way, this thing is going to be absolutely amazing. I just can't wait, like I'm pinching myself, can't wait to be on the plane to head down there and do this. So, check it out, BenGreenfieldLife/Elements-Event. And, I'll see you there, I hope.

What's the problem with wine today? Wine is highly processed just like our food. I like wine just the same as you probably do. I drink a glass of wine almost every evening. But, here's the problem. Three giant wine companies sell over 50% of the wine in the U.S. Over 76 additives are currently legally approved for use in winemaking. We're talking dyes, thickeners, and GMO yeast. The top 20 wines sold in the U.S. contain very high levels of sugar and alcohol. 

And so, basically, we're drinking poison a lot of times. That's why you wake up and have a headache and you feel blah. I can drink, I don't do it, but I can drink two or three glasses of the type of wine that I actually drink. It's organic and biodynamic. It's sugar-free. It's low alcohol. It's lab tested for purity. It's grown on small family farms. It's keto-approved. It's paleo-approved. It's got free shipping right to my door. It's called Dry Farm Wines. It's the best natural wine out there. 

They've got access to 55,000 acres of organic vineyards. Alright. So, a lot of these come from Europe where there's healthy soil and dynamic biodiversity using natural wine farming. They work with 600 small family farmers sourcing from over 600 these small family growers all who make their wine by hand using things like regenerative farming, avoiding machinery. Dry Farm Wines even helps to teach them a lot of the tactics that make for better wine. They save a billion gallons of water with this wine because you don't have to pour a bunch of water on wine. That makes it sweet and juicy. And, we want our wine to be antioxidant, rich, and tannic. And, that's the way these Dry Farm Wines are.

So, I call them Dry Farm. They don't use much water, so it's better for the planet. Less than 1/10 of 1% of the world's wines are grown to the standards of Dry Farm. But, they pick them out for you. They cut out all of the work for you. And so, you know guilt free when that box arrives, every single one has been screened. They got free shipping, straight to your door, free of charge, 100% happiness. That means any bottle you don't like, they'll replace it or they'll refund it. And, better yet, they're going to give any of my listeners an extra bottle of Dry Farm Wines in their first box for a penny. Yup, 1 penny, because alcohol they can't sell for free. But, here's what you do, you go to BenGreenfieldLife.com/DryFarmWines. That's BenGreenfieldLife.com/DryFarmWines, and that's all you need to get started with your Dry Farm Wines adventure today. Drink the same wine I do. BenGreenfieldLife.com/DryFarmWines.

Magnesium. I love it. I actually pop six a night of this Magnesium Breakthrough stuff because it's got all the different forms of magnesium that are out there. Alright, so let me give you a list. Okay, if you're irritable or anxious, if you struggle with insomnia, if you get muscle cramps or twitches, if you have high blood pressure, if you're sometimes constipated, those are all symptoms of magnesium deficiency, and just a few of them because magnesium is involved in over 600 biochemical reactions in your body. 

This Magnesium Breakthrough stuff that I use replaces magnesium because it uses six different forms. Most companies don't do that. So, your body can actually use and absorb all the different kinds of magnesium, and you get in the best of all the best kinds of magnesium. A lot of supplements use the cheap kinds that your body can't use or absorb. Not this Breakthrough stuff. And, what they're going to do is a Black Friday special. From November 21st to November 29th, you get Magnesium Breakthrough, but they're going to add in all of the other BiOptimizers best-in-class products with a 25% discount. That's pretty huge.

So, for that Black Friday special, you go to BiOptimizers.com/Ben and use code ben10. That gets you 25% off of any order Ben10 at BiOptimizers.com/Ben. And, if you go starting November 21st all the way up to November 29th, you'll be able to take advantage of that exclusive Black Friday offer with that 25% discount on the whole shebang, the whole catalog. Check it out. BiOptimizers.com/Ben, BiOptimizers.com/Ben.

Hey, folks. So, this is an interesting episode. I was recently speaking and attending a fantastic wellness immersive event in Austin, Texas called RUNGA. And, I was on a panel, I hosted a Q&A. It was so interesting. I decided I wanted to make you a part of it. The Q&A was kind of a free bag Q&A, had questions on everything from biohacking or home to my own personal productivity and schedule management systems to air, light, and water filtration, EMF blocking, even regrowing cartilage and treating joint injuries. So, that was interesting Q&A. You're going to hear that. 

And then, I was also on a panel called State of Mind where we talked about spirituality and psychedelics and smart drugs and general mind state shifting using things like plant medicines and technologies and breath and other kind of cool cutting edge scientific and also free and natural methods to alter your state of mind. 

So anyways, the shownotes you can find at BenGreenfieldLife.com/RUNGAPanel. I'll also include information about this RUNGA event over there. So, BenGreenfieldLife.com/RUNGAPanel, R-U-N-G-A-P-A-N-E-L. Enjoy the episode. And, leave your questions, comments, and feedback over there if you have any.

Joseph:  I don't think anybody on this panel really needs an introduction especially we've all been here for a couple of days now, but we've got Dr. John Lieurance, Mr. Ben Greenfield, and my good friend, Tero, who I rarely attempt to say the last name. But, Tero is the founder of Four Sigmatic for those that may not know Tero. And, on this panel, I really wanted to kind of dive into State of Mind and I really want to chunk this State of Mind panel into three categories. The first one is free medicine, things that these gentlemen do to control and to alter their state of mind that don't require anything be consumed or any technology be utilized. And then, the next would be things that we consume or different hacks that we can use to alter our state of mind or put us in a specific state of mind. And then, last, we'll go into kind of the more sophisticated, more recent cutting-edge technologies that perhaps they use to control state of mind.

So, beginning I wanted to start with Ben because he and I have talked extensively around routines and such. And, as we think about state of mind, Ben, where does your mind go when you hear the term “free medicine” in terms of state of mind?

Ben:  That's a great question. I mean, the way that you're describing free medicine, I think, is this idea, like you just alluded to, of not consuming anything to shift your state of consciousness, which I think a lot of people are aware of the things that get bandied about these days for that. Probably Breathwork is at the top of the totem pole along with the endorphin release you would get from heat along with the nervous system reset you would get from cold. Many people will combine heat and cold and breathwork to shift their state of mind. Sometimes hard things can shift your state of mind. I mean anybody who's done a difficult workout and collapse at the end of it, I mean you know you're in sort of an altered state of consciousness/ready for your whey protein smoothie.

And, I think even things like, I would say relationships, friendships, laughter, social outings, sex. I mean, I think that you tend to see a lot of people turning to altered states of consciousness achieved through drugs or plant medicines or exogenous compounds. I think sometimes because they just kind of sort of have a boring lifestyle, they don't have a lot of music and dancing and laughter and relationships and friendships and sex and breathwork and heat and cold and exercise in their life. And, I don't know, I feel if people had a more widely varied lifestyle like that, they probably wouldn't feel as much of an urge to go away and take a deep dive with neurochemical altering through plant compounds. Not that there's a time and place for something like that, but yeah, there's a lot of ways to shift your state of consciousness. And, it's kind of back to the dopamine reset thing.

I mean, if you find yourself constantly craving television shows and snacks and sugar and candy and your phone and whatnot, a lot of times that's indicative that you need to find other ways to trigger dopamine. A lot of times, picking up a guitar, swinging some kettlebells, or hopping in a cold bath. It's just the human body craves that dopaminergic response. We sometimes seek that along with an altered state of consciousness through things like plant medicines or exogenous compounds. But frankly, sometimes it just takes looking around analyzing your day, and saying, “Hey, what can I do this kind of fun that I'm not doing right now or challenging or hormetic or something that is kind of hard while I'm doing it?” Raise your hand if you did an ice bath this week.

I mean, it's a suckfest in there. I mean, I lie. I make it look easy to make myself look good. But, I mean, when I get in there, trust me, I want to get out. But then, when you get out, how do you feel? Yeah. I mean, does anybody get out of that and be like, “Yeah, I want to go do ayahuasca now.” I mean, you feel typically pretty good. Yeah. Scott is like, “Alright, where's everyone else?” Alright, so that's it, Joe.

John:  How about something that actually you would get paid to do that's free? Not only free, but fasting, and you can achieve some pretty amazing levels of clarity. It's something that has been in a lot of different religious ceremonies over the years. And, when we fast, we start to become a lot more clean, and so the digestive system and the liver and all these different systems don't have to divert a lot of energy. And so, there's more energy with the faculties of the mind and less noise. You're not eating, so you're not having to pay for meals. So, it's almost like you're getting paid because you're not having to spend money on food, but —

Ben:  Plus, you're doing the ProLon Diet TM paying for your fasting.

John:  Well, I created a fasting protocol I call Fast Track Fast. So, if you did do that, yes, you would be paying for the kit. But, it's all about signaling with fasting. And so, we have these rhythms. We talked about this during the podcast if anybody was there. And, these rhythms are tied to the earth and we get entrained and every system in our body has a rhythm. The gut digestion, there's movement every three seconds. If it's 2 seconds, you have constipation. If it's 4 seconds, you have diarrhea, which Ben would know exactly what that feels like. So, there's this rhythm of feast famine and it's like ice bath. I mean, nobody really wants to dive into a fast, but once you get into it after the first day or two, most people start to feel pretty euphoric. And, there's a freedom where you're not tethered to like, “I got to have a meal.” So, all of a sudden, it's like, “What am I going to do? I don't need to go to lunch, I don't need to have breakfast, I don't need to have dinner.” And, that's really nice.

Ben:  John is trying to make you all feel guilty right now. You guys realize that.

John:  Yeah, so you don't have to eat dinner really. Let's fast. No. Anyway, but that would be my big suggestion on free. Yeah,

Joseph:  I love that. And, everybody eat dinner please because this is really good food. And, I don't want any to go to waste. We want to eat it all. So, start that when you go home. Tero, anything to add here?

Tero:  So, I think what John and Ben are going for is there is a evolutionary response to certain triggers that have existed for a really long time talk tens if not hundreds of thousands of years, be it cold exposure, heat exposure, but also having babies, making babies. These are things that have existed a long time so they trigger these responses that shift our mental state. So, those I would consider being free. And, the other thing I would say there's a shift, there's a anchor. We're really good at adjusting our behavior. And, that's what got us here is basically like ability to get comfortable in whatever scenario it is. So, if you want to change your state, you have to kind of get uncomfortable or break the pattern so that shift takes a little bit of conscious effort. But, after that, you're benefiting from these evolutionary responses that are built within all of us. Be it fasting, dancing, singing, making babies, having a child —

Ben:  Where do you go to have a baby for free? I missed that memo. Mine was expensive.

Tero:  Well, I have a 2.5-week-old at home and I caught it and it didn't cost me anything. It's called free birth.

Ben:  My wife's hips are smaller than your wife's hips because we had to go to the hospital.

Tero:  I think that's also funny that people say that it's a side tangent that hips are narrow. Is it 60% of the world's population is in Asia and they have really narrow hips but somehow are able to give birth? I think that's an interesting point about —

Ben:  Let's debate about this later.

Tero:  Yeah, yeah. But, it's called free birth. Anyway, yeah.

Ben:  My wife's vagina is smaller than your wife's vagina then.

Joseph:  Well, so what I'm hearing here is that Tero, throughout evolution and time, Mother Nature was taking care of a lot of our mindset for us. So, we had to adapt to the environment, the cold, the hot, like 100,000 years ago, maybe they weren't intentionally creating ice baths, it was just cold out. What does that mean for us now where we can go make ourselves hot, cold and skip meals, but what connection to nature do we need, and does our mindset depend on if that's sort of where it all began is my guess?

Tero:  Yeah. So, finding elements is something I would be conscious about is incorporating elements into your life. And, that could be wind and fire and earth and the whole gamut. But, finding these primary nutrients, I remember like as a kid my mom told me this Rule of 3 that I'm sure many of you have heard, but you can be three days or you can be three weeks without eating. Some can go longer, so you can be three days without water and you can be three minutes without breath. And again, there's exceptions, but you can barely be three seconds without a thought. 

So, they're also be mindful of how much you're consuming something, and that I call that compounds over time. Incorporate elements into your life, but not all of them are at the same importance. And, you might have to build it up. That means like nutrition is the white belt or the blue belt and then your mind or your spirit is the black belt but you don't get the black belt on day one. So, you might need to build it up slowly from nutrition to hydration to fasting and then to breath, and then finally to your mind. So, there is a natural progression there and some people can jump-start up a little bit, but I would recommend that as a framework.

Joseph: I guess now kind of hearing some of this as it relates to incorporating it into our daily life, how do we architect our approach? How do we decide if we need cold or hot today? Or, how do you organize some of these approaches and elements in a way that fits into your daily life for folks that have jobs? And, how does ritual and routine play into your ability to balance life with these biohacks?

John:  Well, I would say that there's an internal guidance, and the Heart Math Institute did some really interesting research where they would show an image on a computer screen and they would notice that the individual's heart because they had their heart connected to a device in their brain and they would notice that the heart responded to the nature of the picture. So, the pictures would be terrible scenes, and then there would be flowers and beautiful scenes. And so, there was a response where the heart responded 20 seconds before the image would come up. There's this idea that there's an internal guidance system that knows it has no boundary of time and space. 

And so, there's an aspect of that, but there's also something that's really important where you have a good coach. I think that a lot of people getting into this really need to have a coach like Ben or we have some coaching plans as well.

Ben:  Check's in the mail, John.

John:  Yeah. So, somebody that's been through it, we all have to rely on a teacher. So, we can't know everything. So, that would be my big suggestion is actually the combination of those two. Get a teacher but then feel into what's right for you and dream up your program and change it. Don't do the same thing for months and months, like have fun with it.

Joseph:  Yeah, I agree. I think that's a really important element. Ben?

Ben:  Yeah. I mean, is not rocket science. We have 12 hours a day here to just bounce back and forth between whatever. And, all of us are lazing around without working and then you get home to your job and you're like, “Oh, gosh, when did I do the ice bath and the sauna and the kettlebell thing and the fast thing and everything else they're talking about?” I mean, just like anything, it's intentional scheduling. So, I'm just going to use myself as an example because I know myself the best. I get in the sauna four to five times a week for 20 to 30 minutes. And then, I go jump in the cold pool afterwards. And then, in the evening, I carve out a time to play a little bit of a musical instrument. And, at 6:00 a.m., I have typically some kind of a devotional or spiritual session by myself or with my sons. At 7:30, I gather the family for meditation and we do a family meditation, not for a long time, but for 10, 15 minutes max. And then, in the evening we do another meditation session and we all make a meal together at 7:00 p.m. And, that's honestly something I would consider the social and relationship and gastronomy part of changing your state of mind.

And then, of course, in between all of that, yeah, we're working and doing school and up to our usual routine. But, when you leave here, don't leave all this stuff behind. Figure out a way that you're going, I don't know, swing by the gas station on your way home from work and dump ice in the bathtub or buy one of these cold tubs and hit up the sauna and intentionally schedule these type of things you're learning here into your life because you can do it without just needing to be like the biohackers spending 10 hours a day wandering around your house with your special funky glasses on, deciding what you're going to hack yourself with next. You could just put this stuff in small doses throughout the day. And, once you do, it becomes brushing your teeth and you feel fantastic. 

And, it's not that difficult, but I think what people wonder is, I mean, what I do is the ice baths, it's like, “Well, what kind of breath do I do? And, how long do I go? And, how cold and how long? And, when do I do the electrical muscle stimulation?” That kind of goes back to what John was saying like a lot of it is intuitive. Just get yourself kind of cold every once in a while, and then get hot every once in a while, and make yourself suck air every once in a while, some kettlebells and then have family dinners or go out to a social event a couple of times a week. But, there's not like rules. Your head is not getting explode if you're 34 degrees instead of 36 degrees in the ice bath. 

So, I think some people think, “Oh, the experts are saying do this and do that because we live in this information overload era.” But honestly, it's not that complex. You just go out and sprinkle this stuff in throughout the day and you feel great.

John:  Having positive anchors is really important because sometimes what happens is we do something like an ice bath and we are anchoring the suffering versus the exhilaration of getting out of it. And, that makes all the difference in bringing these rituals in, and just actively bringing joy into those acts is really, really important.

Tero:  Yeah. And, to build off of all those beautiful words, not everything is probably going to give you immediately the same result. And, that doesn't mean that they're less valuable, but there is definitely habits that are easier and/or more effective, and finding things those like sunrise, sunset, circadian rhythm through that, your sleep quality, for example, finding those in your day, you can definitely prioritize. So, if you're feeling overwhelmed that there is looking at Ben's day and there's 17 things to do, and that feels overwhelming, maybe choosing one or two that gives faster response and could be drinking more water and seeing the sunrise and the sunset and that will already get you pretty far. And then, habit stacking is valuable. 

But honestly, do it as long as it's fun. And, if the moment you start to tense up and worry about it, you're probably have gone too far for that level or you need to switch something. And, while routine when you're experimenting with something is really helpful for the first time, so if you've never woken up to see the sunrise, it's good to do maybe a 30-day challenge. But, I really recommend not having a routine and the routine is not having the routine, and that variation actually gives you a lot of physical, mental, and spiritual capacity.

So, initially recommend doing routine, challenge, whatever with your neighbor, friend, online. And then, after that, try to get away from having a routine. But, the habit stacking and making it fun, making it playful makes you able to incorporate more things into your day and maintain them a lot easier.

Joseph:  Yeah. So, the routine to create the habit and then switch to intuition kind of as soon as possible. Yeah, I love that.

Now, let's switch in, I guess, back to the kava a little bit. As it relates to substances that can help keep us in the mental state or bring us into the desired mental state if we're out of it, I'd love to know some of your favorites to use both on a daily basis and on an occasional basis. And, start with John. Yeah.

John:  I find breathwork to be one of the best things to really clear my mind and connect me with the present moment. And, some of the biggest challenge I've had with breathwork is maintaining the motivation to actually sit down and do it. And so, this is where I think anchoring the joy with that. and, sometimes you have to force yourself to just sit down and do it. 

With breathwork, because your breath is controlled by both your autonomic and your volitional control, and that autonomic nervous system is everything. And, if you take care of that, you're going to be extremely healthy. You live a long life, and it's something that's neglected. And so, it kind of ties into this whole circadian rhythm with sleep-wake because the part of the autonomic nervous system that's not supported is the parasympathetic. And, the most powerful activator of the parasympathetic is melatonin, just like cortisol activates the sympathetic, it gets you up in the morning. Melatonin is really important to be powerful. And so, we get and build melatonin by light going in the eyes.

And then, there's a lot of subtle rhythms that play into that where the amber light for sunrise and sunset because think about this little guy in a cave, and all he has is a two-way radio and he's down there, and you've got your radio and you're outside and you're seeing what's going on, and you're letting your little guy know in the cave what's going on. And, this guy's got all the levers to control all these different aspects of health. And, you say, “Alright, the sun's coming up,” and he's like, “Okay, I got that, sun's coming up.” And then, the sun going down. And so, all these different points really create a reference point for your body to entrain to the sleep-wake where you're going to get that really powerful parasympathetic activation and that deep rest. And, I think that this is more important than diet or exercise or anything else because it's foundational. Once you have that in place, then you're going to have the vitality to go and do all these other things. You got to have the motivation, the neurotransmitters, feeding dopamine, where you're going to be like, “Okay, I can do this.”

Ben:  I think John just admitted that he hears voices inside of his head. You need to get that checked out.

John:  Absolutely.

Ben:  I'll get all practical with your question Joe because it depends when you ask me what kind of things I like for enhancing mental function or the smart drugs and the nootropics, et cetera. I would say top three for me right now just to cut straight to the chase, there's a caffeine-like molecule that's pretty blissful called paraxanthine, P-A-R-A-X-A-N-T-H-I-N-E. I have had a great deal of success in terms of mental energy, thermogenesis, fasting, and appetite control, et cetera stacking that with a peptide called tesofensine. Paraxanthine, tesofensine stack, I don't think a lot of people are talking about it right now, but you can crush a day on that. It's a very, very similar feeling to what you'd get from something like Modafinil A.K.A Provigil, without it keeping you up for 24 hours. That's a good stack, paraxanthine with tesofensine. Tesofensine is a peptide. Paraxanthine, you could buy off Amazon.

Second would be there's a company called Nootopia that's making some interesting stuff right now. I just interviewed them this week. They have one called Dopa Drops. They're like dopaminergic compounds. And, you take one, you take the next about 20 minutes later. And, dopamine is very motivating. It makes you just want to go crush your workout or crush your day or do something you might not otherwise be motivated to do. This company does a online questionnaire for your neurotransmitter balance. And then, it's not cheap, it's like $400.00 for month-long box of all their smart drugs and nootropics. But, that one, I've been impressed with. I think they're doing a good job. It's really interesting.

I'm intentionally leaving Chris and Quicksilver Scientific out just because everybody knows about that right now, so I'm going to talk about something people don't already know about even though his stuff is absolutely fantastic. And, you can go ask them too because they got some great cognitive pick-me-ups as well.

And then, I would say the last one would be microdosing with plant medicines. I think plant medicines are overused and I think they're dangerous. I think there's a lot of people using too much of them or using the wrong set and setting, but I think microdosing with psilocybin or microdosing with LSA primarily for creativity, for focus, et cetera, it's safe, it's effective. Obviously, the only risk is if you're microdosing, you have the stuff around, you can obviously take too much of it if you don't have self-control and wind up, I think, in a dangerous place spiritually. 

But, I would say microdosing has a time and place as well. And, those would be three things that at this point in my life would probably be the top three things that I'm using to just upgrade my brain during any given day if we're actually talking about things that you would consume. And, I guess I'm leaving Tero's mushrooms out of the equation, but my wife and I are mushroom junkies and do those almost every morning in our coffee or tea or whatever. So, yeah. So don't feel bad, Tero, we are using mushrooms too.

Joseph:  Yeah. And, I don't want to open it up to Tero, and I also want to mention that this group really loves Four Sigmatic coffee. We went through 120 cups in like 2.5 hours today. It's really, really impressive.

Tero:  So, I definitely want to second John. I think where you start is things like, like I mentioned, sunrise, sunset. Those are the baselines like love connection, spending times with people you care about, playtime. Those are critical. But, to be practical like Ben, out of things that I feel that are tried and true and I can recommend, I still don't think people would appreciate cacao enough, both theobromine and the various active compounds, PEA, yadda, yadda, yadda in it. And, I think it's so tried and true and so mood-enhancing. And, if you want to get really clever with it, I think vasodilators and spices, particularly like cayenne work really well with it. If you want to go into the herbal side, Mucuna is the highest source of natural L-DOPA, which is a precursor to dopamine.

Ben:  Snickers bars.

Tero:  Yeah. So, definitely like cacao. And, if you look at people who've lived 100 years, it's a theme that comes up a lot. It's one of the most biodiverse foods in the world. And, because it's so butchered with cocoa and milk chocolate, it's just people don't understand how medicinal it is similarly. But, tobacco and sacred things, but obviously that is more addictive. So, cacao I would be on the top of the list. The other one would be green tea or actually camellia sinensis, the whole plan overall, I think it is again one of the most studied compounds for health, particularly I like for cognitive function. Green tea, again, it's the same plant, but how it's harvested and the capuchins there, I think it's very powerful. 

You can take them as a supplement like EGCCs and theobromine and yadda, yadda, yadda, but I would recommend similarly the kava is that if you're new to these, I would recommend using the whole plant in its native form, usually some sort of water. And then, once you get more familiar, once you're like Ben and you know your dosage is some of those more isolated compounds, you can stack them easily. So, green tea and cacao would be on the top of the list.

On the microdosing, I think there are compounds that are more suitable to microdosing. There's compounds that maybe are not so suitable. It's a longer conversation, but there is, for example, tolerance that you build with psilocybin mushrooms. And, I think most people misunderstand microdosing, it is supposed to be a sub-perception experience by its original definition. Pretty much everybody I talked to who microdose say they feel it or they have unnecessary yawns and whatnot and they're definitely having too much and they're taking it too often. 

There are compounds like LSD, LSA, yadda, yadda, yadda, that ibogaine you could actually do, but generally, I think it's misunderstood and I think it's somewhat unproven. But, what I would recommend is from a legal perspective is generally just herbalism and being into herbalism and finding ways to test psychoactive and non-psychoactive plants and rotating them and starting to build relationships like having your own small garden and growing gynostemma or having herbs and basil, even like common herbs, parsley. Getting familiar with them and then rotating them around the year.

Once you have the real deal and you can start to eat it in higher dosages, there's a lot of mental benefits in very common spices and foods that people don't realize because you use them in low quality and/or too small amounts. But, once you start growing food and using these herbs, you will probably reap a lot of mental state benefits. But, cacao and green tea being the safest most proven, most universal powerful things to start with. And, because they're so simple, people, I feel like, underwrite them. Similar to maybe kettlebells or squats or I don't know if you talk to a fitness trainer like Ben back in the day, everybody wants to hear the newest workout move. But, at the end of the day, most of the benefits have probably reached with those boring answers, and just doing them repetitively over a long time with increase the variations of intensity.

So, those would be stuff I would recommend.

Joseph: Yeah, great. Thank you, Tero.

And, one of the last questions here is just around biohacks and technologies. There's a strong interest for that. I guess I'll start with Ben on the end and maybe we'll work this way just in terms of what are your go-tos. If it's going to be a long day of work and you're going to use one of your devices that you've got kicking around your house, what's that device going to be?

Ben:  Just one? Man —

Joseph:  You can have it stacked.

Ben:  There's a lot of them at the same time. That's what's fun. I would say probably, again, let's just go with three. Tero started the rule of three, I didn't. I would say the Apollo, which is a small wrist or ankle-worn device that elicits a haptic vibratory sensation that can shift your mood and your state of energy pretty effectively. That works well for me. I would say second would be the Hapbee, which elicits magnetic signal that because it's different than the haptic signal can be combined with the Apollo for either energy or sleep or relaxation or whatever. And then, the last would be photobiomodulation, which you guys, a lot of you have done already, and it's this red light, sunlight, et cetera to shift your mood safe. But, there's one that's like a head-worn device initially developed for Alzheimer's and dementia that has an alpha mode or a gamma mode that I use very regularly called the Vielight, V-I-E-light. And so, I would say light, vibration and magnetic stimulation via the Apollo, the Hapbee, and the Vielight would be three things that I use a lot of the time. And then, thanks to now knowing Tero, a crap ton of parsley and it helps a ton.

John:  Yeah, I'm going to echo that photobiomodulation. If I could do one thing, the number one thing would be using sauna space lamps. And, I get to take some methylene blue before this. Is that fair?

Joseph:  Yeah, yeah.

John:  Okay, alright, because it's very photodynamic, so that methylene blue has an affinity to go into your mitochondria. And then, within your mitochondria, you have something called the cytochrome C, which cyto is cell and chrome is light. And so, we have the ability to take photons and convert them into energy. And so, this whole system really upregulates the mitochondria up to about 30%. And so, that would be my number one stack. The second thing is, if you don't have a cold plunge at your house, get one like this is something you will use every day. And, it's not terribly expensive to get set up with some infrared lights, with the sauna space, and you can even get a freezer. Last time I was in Austin and they just took a freezer and turned it on its side. It was amazing.

You get these things in your house and it's like you're thinking something that you use every day like I can't imagine life without these two things. And, it's part of my solid morning ritual is I get in my jacuzzi and then I go into the cold plunge. I go back and forth. And then, after I get out of the cold plunge, I'm cold, I get in front of the lights. I can do something with that within 30 minutes in the morning and you feel fantastic.

Tero:  I'll give two that are free and then one that will cost some money. Or, one of them is inexpensive. I've been a big fan of nail beds for a long time. I got into this through the Eastern European. I'm from Finland and we're on the border of Russia and whatnot and got through these Bulgarian weight lifters. They were doing a lot of this acupressure, which I guess has existed in every culture pretty much around the world. You might have seen these, what are they called, yoga beds that are made out of plastic, but these are actually made out of actual nails or about 3,000 nails on a small bed. And, you lay on it. And, if you put yourself precisely on it, it's not that painful, but it releases the nervous system like nothing else. And, it caused maybe $30 to $50.

Ben:  Everybody here signing the liability waiver, right?

Tero:  Yeah.

Ben:  I just want to make sure.

Tero:  And, you lay on it and how easy and how reliable that response to my nervous system. And, also to keep still because if you move, it hurts, but if you're still it doesn't. And, I basically nap on it every day so that I have a few of them and literally every one of them is 30 to 50 bucks. But, that's something acupressure and you could achieve it in different ways, but I would recommend looking into that. That is incredibly effective, effective way.

The other thing that cost money is sauna. Again, I guess it's the thing I have to say it, but we're big into sauna and it is an investment. But, it is one of those things that where the breath, the mind, the heat, you kind of stack those things, but the release there is very consistent. I would say the same with ice and cold, but I feel with the heat, it takes a little longer even if you are at 200 degrees. So, there's a little bit more longer suffering, it's not as intense. But, I find that being very meditative and powerful.

And then, the third hack I would say like hydration like water and salt. You can do a lot there and more than you would think both from a fasting in what point. But also, we talk about the enemas. But, I would do these drinking enemas at times if I feel sick. So, I would do 2 tablespoons of salt in a small amount of water, which is pretty gnarly and then you drink a lot of water, and then that will immediately create diarrhea. But basically, like water, salt, fasting, combination is incredibly powerful. And, I think most of us don't drink enough, don't take enough salt, and eat too much. And, going back to that is a powerful hack. And, whenever you feel sick, I would recommend sleeping, drinking water and fasting and salt. And, that will probably heal.

I just ended a 14-year journey of not being sick one day. My kid caught me with ear infection, but I was on a 14-year run. And, I credit most of it not actually to mushrooms like most people think of me, but actually to the fact that whenever I feel even slight feeling of getting sick, if do not eat, drink water, and sleep and that will take pretty much most illnesses and diseases away pretty quickly. So, those would be my three.

Joseph:  How do you get onto the nail bed? Do you do your butt first?

Tero:  Yeah, kind of actually. Yeah, the low back is less sensitive and it can take a little more beating, but then the other parts, but yes. You try to be as even as possible. And, I kind of put my legs on both sides and my elbows on both sides and try to scoot back into it. But yeah, it's mostly butt, low back first because it hurts the least and then you settle into it.

I think you can now buy them online and Amazon, but I would not recommend the plastic ones. They are not nearly the same experience as like a real nail bed. And, I'm sure they're commonly available now.

Joseph:  It seems like an Etsy thing.

Tero: Etsy or yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Etsy thing. But, there's ones that I recommend are ones that are plastic-based not the wood-based because the wood-based doesn't if you want, for example, in a bed and the curvature of your spine. So, you would know a lot about that. But, I would say, the plastic ones gives flexibility for your shape of your body. You'll still get the pressure, but it's a lot more comfortable and enjoyable than the one. There's also roll ones that you can roll spines and spikes on you, which sounds really kinky and weird, but that also does work.

Joseph:  Love it. Thank you, guys. Thank you, guys. This is great. 

I wasn't sure what was going to come up and there was definitely some information that I wasn't expecting. So, I appreciate you all. A little too much information from one particular person on multiple occasions, but —

Ben:  I talked about diarrhea and nails way less than Tero did.

Joseph:  Yeah, but thank you guys.

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I run into this sometimes at events. I'm just going to be super open and vulnerable with you all. Like sometimes people think I'm unapproachable. They're only supposed to ask questions to me when it's like some kind of official Q&A or whatever. But, don't think that just because we have 45 minutes slotted for this that I'm not available to answer your questions, even maybe questions you didn't want to ask in public or whatever anytime this whole week. 

For example, in past RUNGAs, people have asked me a question like, “Hey, let's go for a walk and talk about it.” There's a walking path below here even though there's some fresh wild blackberries growing down. There's like wild blackberries growing down there. Bonus for anybody who needs a midnight snack. But, I mean, seriously, I love to answer questions. I love to help people out. And so, outside of this Q&A, if you didn't get your question answered, you just want to chat with me about anything, just come find me, and yeah, I'll take you on a walk. We can chat and chat some more. 

So, that being said, we got some mics up here. Since we are recording, we would love to have you ask your question into the microphone by either coming up here or Joe can get his 10,000 steps in and bring the mic out to you.

Joseph:  That's right. And, guys, this is your opportunity. A lot of folks, I've spoken with almost all of you, and a large number of you, I think, would love to ask Ben a question or two. That's it, guys. Does anybody have a question they want to kick us off with?

Ben:  How do you balance being an online influencer and giving things like social media the attention it needs without getting sucked into that world?

Yeah, that's an interesting question because largely I don't. Now, for illustrative purposes that my sons have an Instagram account, a Facebook account, even a TikTok account, they don't even know how to log into. Do you know how to log into your social media? They don't even know how because I told them what I wish someone had told me at an early age like just do what you do best. It's a great book by Gary Keller called “The One Thing.” I think it's free on Amazon. Let's just base around this idea of do what you do best, whatever God has made you good at that unique skill set that you were born with, and then figure out a way to outsource and delegate all the other stuff to someone else. 

So, I don't really even know how to use Instagram. I know how to turn it on and put a photo up, but I even suck at that. So, when I take a photo or video, I'm sending it to somebody and tell them, “Hey, do the hashtaggy thing and put this up or whatever time it's supposed to go up.” I have one e-mail folder that's the starred one, and then I have somebody that checks my e-mail all day long and they put a star next to the emails that I need to see, so I don't have to look at any folders other than that starred folder. I don't know the username and password to my website anymore. So, if I want to post it, I got to send it over to my team to put up or to edit or whatever.

So, I've intentionally extricated myself from even being able to largely micromanage. Even though I sometimes will micromanage anyway if I see a word spelled wrong or whatever. But, yeah, I basically don't. I just have built a team that does as much as possible for me and then handcuff myself from being able to manage a lot of it by just not knowing how to even log into most of my accounts or anything like that. 

I don't know if that answers your question, but basically, just do what you do best and then operating in the spirit of abundance because there's a real spirit of scarcity that we can have a mindset though we fall into to where like we want to do it all ourselves because we don't want to pay somebody else to do it for us. But, I used to do everything, used to program my own website, write all my own newsletters, do all my own affiliate campaigns, run all my own PPC like soup to nuts, do everything until maybe 14 years ago when, A, my wife was pregnant with twins and I knew I just couldn't do it all because I was sleeping three hours a night. And B, I listened to Tim Ferris' “4-Hour Workweek” one day while I was driving to a triathlon. And, I listened to the rest of it on the way back and realize there's people that can help you out with stuff. And, I didn't even realize how to do that. 

My dad was a serial entrepreneur and I just saw him do it all himself. And, I thought that was how he ran a company. And, it's obviously not. But, that that was all I knew. And now, I just outsource and delegate anything. I don't even mow my own lawn. I feel guilty sometimes. I don't know how to fix stuff around the house, but it frees me up to do the stuff that I feel God has called me to do.

Male Speaker:  Hi, Ben. I know you have been looking for a new house, so I'm wondering what are the key things you've been looking for in your search for a healthy home?

Ben:  Well, I mean, if you look at the body as a battery that you would ideally like to maintain properly charged like a negative charge on the interior of the cell, the slightly positive charge on the outside of the cell, and basically exposure to healthy photons of light to keep the cells charged and water with minerals to carry charges throughout the body and not exposing the photovoltaic potential the cells to things like Wi-Fi and EMF and even Bluetooth and some of these low-level frequencies, it all comes down to like how does your home support your battery, the battery that is you. 

And, in the personal environment, probably the four things that I look at most intensively when it comes to a personal living environment, whether it's a custom home build or an apartment that you might be renting or an Airbnb that you're staying at or whatever, is air, light, water, and electricity. Those are probably the four variables that I take into consideration the most. 

So, air not only ensuring that it is clean, meaning the use of things like HEPA air filtration systems or fine particulate filters, things like that, but also what are you doing to the air to bring it as close to our primal ancestral air exposure as possible. Meaning, are you using things like plants from the NASA Clean Air Study and having those scattered around the house? You're getting exposed to natural oils and natural scrubbing potential of plants around the house. There's essential oil diffusers in most of the rooms of my house, diffusing things like lavender and rose and bergamot and peppermint, all sorts of essential oils that we would be exposed to normally when traipsing around outside in the forest before we became relegated to living and traveling in boxes. Negative ion generators, devices such as, I guess there isn't one here, but there's a reactive oxygen generating device made by a company called NanoVi, which infuses the air with other nice things you can breathe in.

So, air is one, light is another. How many cans in your house or how many places in your apartment can you outfit with either incandescent, which is most similar to the natural spectrum of sunlight? Red incandescent preferably in most of the sleeping areas or the resting areas of the home or halogen. And, in some areas where you need a little bit more bright blue light, choosing a low-flicker option like OLED instead of LED. So, when I travel, I typically have a red-light headlamp that I'm using for getting around in the morning and in the evening. And, I don't want to shut down my melatonin production and my natural circadian rhythmicity. I'm keeping lights off and wearing blue light-blocking glasses all the way down to the monitor that I use in my office. It's made by a company called BenQ, which actually is a monitor that has less flicker, a lower Kelvin temperature, and less eye irritation for a day of work. And then, on the laptops, they all have a program called Iris installed.

And so, throughout the house, I'm just basically analyzing whether or not there's natural levels of light. And, there are fantastic experts who know a lot more than I do about this stuff like Bryan Hoyer who's a fantastic building biologist who have learned a lot about light from in terms of opting for halogen or incandescent or in sleeping areas of the house like red incandescent in the bulbs. In addition to air and light, water, and that's partially just a matter of filtrating the water with preferably either double carbon block or reverse osmosis when you're traveling, purchasing water that's mineral-rich from glass bottled water like Gerolsteiner or Pellegrino or something of that nature.

And then, kind of similar to air rather than just filtering, why not return the water to a state that is close to nature as possible? And so, I will often travel with either structured water like pour over structured water filters, hydrogen tablets to put in the water to add a little bit of an antioxidant to it. We have hydrogen tablets over there at the Quicksilver booth. And, in my home, it's a whole house structured water filtration system. So, the water passes through. In our case, double carbon block filtration. And then, after that, it passes through a water [Bordeauxer]. So, it's as close as possible to the type of water you'd find tumbling underground in springs. And so, filtration and structuring are the two things I do to water. And then, I'll add in minerals like Quinton, I'll add in hydrogen tablets and things that make the water healthier.

And then, finally, electricity is a big one. There's tons of stuff you can do for electricity, but primarily a hardwiring when you can. My house is all hardwired with metal shielded CAT-7 ethernet cable, so you can't get a Wi-Fi connection, you just use an adapter and you plug in via ethernet wherever you're at in the house. There's no smart appliances enabled with Wi-Fi or Bluetooth. If I'm using a wearable or some type of device, I only choose those that can be placed in airplane mode. Basically, if the phone is on and the Wi-Fi and Bluetooth doesn't need to be on, it's disabled. And, if the phone is on and I'm not using it for communication, it's in airplane mode. The computers when they're hardwired in via the Ethernet, of course, the Wi-Fi is also disabled on those. There's dirty electricity filters in each room of the house.

And obviously, we can talk for an hour and a half about electricity. You could read books like probably one of the better ones out there right now is Dr. Mercola's book “EMF*D.” Again, the work of Bryan Hoyer is very good for this as well. But, those would be the main things. I look as air, light, water, and electricity. And, there are little things that might fall into multiple categories like are using low VOC compounds

And, in our new home build in Idaho, even though I've built a lot of this into our home in Spokane, which I built to be our dream biohacked home oasis in the forest, but we've just been called elsewhere to be closer to family and where my sons want to go to college. And so, we're moving. But the home that we're moving to I'm taking things to another level. I'm doing a whole biogeometry analysis, which is a company out of Egypt that puts little negative energy field, almost vortices in different areas of the house. I'm building outside a Moon wood, which is a special form of pine that's harvested during certain lunar phases to where there's a large amount of what's called fourth-phase structured water naturally present in the wood. So, this wood blocks 99% of EMF. It's naturally mold resistant naturally insulator for heat or for cold, naturally windproof. And so, the entire home will be built out of a low VOC compound that actually is as close to nature as possible. 

And so, a lot of considerations. And, I'll be logging the whole new home build, but I also have a book that I wrote when I did our existing home build called “How to Biohack a Healthy Home.” And, I just kept track of everything we did in our current home. It's a cheap little book on Amazon. But, the information is out there and you can also work with a building biologist. I think probably two of the best ones out there right now are Bryan Hoyer and then another guy named Brian Johnson. And, both of those guys know a lot when it comes to building biology.

Female Speaker:  The question was how to mitigate some of the inflammation and circadian rhythm issues if you don't have a traditional work schedule.

Ben:  Right. You're, you're, you're a night owl, you're an evening person, yet you kind of have that guilt complex when you hear about people who are sun gazing and going to bed at 7:00 p.m. or whatever. And, I get it. And, of course, that's made all the more troubling when you looking at books by guys like Dr. Michael Breus who actually say, “Well, there's four different chronotypes.” And, I agree with that to a certain extent. And, some of those chronotypes, I think it's 20% or whatever are those evening types who are hyper-productive between 11:00 p.m. and 2:00 a.m. and probably would have been the sentinels or the scouts back in ancestral times who could stay up really well in the evening.

I think that it is a little bit difficult when we're living in a post-industrial era where you can be lit up whenever you want to be lit up and you have plenty of options of when you're going to work. I think that that's where the use of some of these red light technologies can come in pretty handy. I'll admit it, there are many times of the season when I'm not up and I'm not watching the sunrise and I'm even getting out of bed after the sun has risen, but I have a red light panel in my office that allows me to simulate the sunrise at a time that's actually later than the sun is actually come up. And, same thing with sunset, right? If that's shifting my circadian clock forwards and I want to simulate sunset in my work environment or home environment, I can flip on all the red lights in the house before I'm going to go to bed and simulate sunset in the house. So, technology to a certain extent can simulate a lot of this stuff.

From what I've seen as far as mitigating some of the inflammation and circadian rhythmicity issues in say like shift workers, nutrition seems to play a pretty big role. Meaning at least doing some element of fasting or calorie restriction during the time that the sun has gone down, and not eating again till at least after the sun has come up. Even if you're like a shift worker, doing more of your fasting during your shift work and then eating after the shift work and then eating right before the shift work starts again but not eating during. It seems that the human body doesn't do very well eating during dark cycles, even if you're up during those dark cycles. So, that seems to help out a little bit too.

And then, I mean, you can shift your circadian rhythm. What I mean by that is if I've been traveling and let's say I've been back east, so technically my clock is three hours ahead and I'm back in pacific time zone and my eyes are going wide open at say 3:00 a.m. because I'm used to 6:00 a.m. back east, what I can do is either, A, stay in bed and stay in the dark or get up. But, if I get up, I'll have on blue light-blocking glasses. I'll only use like a redhead lamp, the only lights that will get turned on in the house. So, like the red incandescent bulbs, until the time of morning has arrived when I actually do want to tell my body that it's morning, in essence shifting the circadian clock forward. 

At that point, blue lights will come on. I'll even use things like the HumanCharger for blue light in the ear or the glasses like the Re-Timer, which simulate the greenish-blue spectrum of sunlight. And, you're just blasting yourself with light at that time that you want to send your body the cue that it's time to wake up. And, this can be a daily practice that you can do until you get to the point where you've shifted yourself into being a little bit more of a morning person by using light. 

And, secondarily food and exercise as morning queues, so-called zeitgebers for morning circadian rhythmicity. And then, when the evening rolls around, that's when you begin to block light intensively, again, using blue light blocking glasses, shifting everything to red light mode, shifting the screens and the red light mode, on the phone and the computer, cutting off food at that point, staving off any hard exercise sessions, et cetera, cooling the body down with a lukewarm or cool shower. And essentially, you're using cues in the morning and cues in the evening to shift your circadian rhythm forward or back.

I want you to understand that light, food, exercise, and to a certain extent temperature are hacks that you can use to shift yourself forward or back. You could experiment, maybe you're never going to be that person who's ready to go to bed at 9:00 p.m., but you can at least shift it back a little bit using some of those cues.

Female Speaker:  The next question is, when is the best time to eat dinner especially if you can't eat super early?

Ben:  Yeah. I mean, who here actually eats dinner at 5:00 p.m.? I find maybe 10% of folks. A few hands went up. We eat dinner at typically sometime between 7:00 and 8:00 p.m. in the Greenfield house just because that's when people are done with stuff and that's when we finally get around to sitting down and cooking and eating dinner. And yet, you see a lot of health data, especially for staving off of wide variety of metabolic diseases, and sometimes all-cause mortality with early eating times, especially with some of those ayurvedic principles. And, this is where you got to strike a balance. 

There's those longevity enthusiasts who are just cold and hungry and libidoless their whole life because they're just living in ice tubs, starving themselves, and protecting their body at all costs and basically living in a bubble when in fact when it comes to lifespan and healthspan, happiness and relationships plays a pretty big role. As a matter of fact, the new book “The Good Life,” which is a summary of the longest study on happiness and longevity, the recent Harvard study was an 80-year study that just finished up at the top of the totem pole above food, above compressed feeding windows, above supplements or stem cells or anything else was relationships and friendships. And so, if eating later dictates that that's how you get your social fix in and engage in relationships and friendships, then I would say that you're likely doing yourself a service by waiting to eat until the time when you can be most social rather than eating by yourself at 5:00 p.m.

But, that all being said, I think that what's more important is having some element of a compressed feeding window. So, if you are eating late, then for most women, particularly premenopausal women, you're looking at a 10 to 12-hour daily intermittent fast as being a really, really good health hack. For men, it's typically close to 12 to 16 hours. For postmenopausal women, also 12 to 16 hours. So, if you're eating late, it's more important to just realize, okay, well, if I finish dinner at 8:30 p.m. or 9:00 p.m., I'm not going to eat again until 8:00 a.m. or 9:00 a.m. So, you're just shifting the feeding window forward. So, I would say more important than the time of day that you eat because if you look at ayurvedic principles, they're also eating breakfast kind of early like 6:00 a.m., 7:00 a.m., et cetera. But, if you're eating late but then not having breakfast until 9:00 a.m. or having a very light breakfast late in the day and then really breaking the fast properly with lunch, then I think you're really going to be just fine.

So, I think it's more about the compressed feeding window than the actual dinner eating time, especially at the later dinner eating time means that's when you engage in relationships and friendships. I mean, what time do we eat here? Like, 7:00, 7:30? Yeah. And obviously, if we wanted to just be as healthy as possible based on those principles, we'd have dinner here at 5:00 p.m. We'd also have breakfast probably at 6:00 a.m. or whatever.

Female Speaker:  The next question is about Ben's knee. Is he feeling better? Is it improving? How is it feeling these days?

Ben:  Yeah. My knees are 90%. Those of you who were, I think, signed up for RUNGA last year, the one where I literally couldn't even travel under doctor's, my knee was like the size of a bowling ball and it was almost like sepsis in my knee. What I wound up needing to do was multiple doctors told me that I needed surgery. It's going to be interesting for anybody who has joint pain, especially knee pain. And, I thought, gosh, they were telling me I got to get it scoped and cleaned out, and it was arthritic. So, there's not that many ways to regrow cartilage in a joint. At least I thought that. And, I did three things and my knee is doing fantastic.

The most profound thing that I did was a new protocol called intraosseous needling where a doctor will go in on the two different articulating surfaces, let's say of the knee in this case, and they drill little holes, almost like aerating a lawn in the two articulating surfaces. And then, they plug in all those holes with a bone matrix stem cell soup. And typically, you're getting some anti-inflammatory and exosome injections at the same time like NAD, exosomes, BPC 157, peptide, et cetera. I had this done at BioReset Medical in San Jose. My knee just went from not that great at all to fantastic after that protocol. But, I also fed it, so I'm doing at least 40 grams a day of collagen or 60 grams a day of essential amino acids. I mean, bone marrow, bone broth with this whole philosophy of “Like supports like.” I get the bone marrow capsules from Ancestral Supplements and I pop those like popcorn. I'll do like 12 of those a day and just chew on them. I think they taste pretty good.

And then, the other thing that I do to support all the tissue around the knee is three times a week I do what I think is one of the better knee rehab protocols out there, which is the Knees Over Toes program by Ben Patrick, which is knee over toe squats and some sled pushes and some backwards treadmill walks and things like that. And, between those three things, the intraosseous needling, feeding the cartilage in my body, and then doing rehab like the Knees Over Toes program. I mean, it feels fantastic. And, this was me going from like, “Oh, I'm hobbled and I'm going to be injured for life and not be able to move” to now I can just go around the pickleball court and now playing tennis pain-free. So, it's amazing. And, I haven't had to get surgery, which I'm super happy about.

Female Speaker:  Our next question is, what is a good diet for dogs?

Ben:  I think that the so-called BARF diet, the BARF diet, the raw food diet for dogs is amazing, especially if you add in mineral sources, like ground-up egg shells, bone meal, things like that. That's fantastic for dogs compared to the modern-day grain food. There's a few companies that actually make dog food. No, they'll ship out dog food that's pretty close to a raw food diet if you don't want to use a blender and raw meat and make your own tartar every morning. I don't have a lot. I'm not a dog health expert, but I would say one other interesting thing is that there's a new company called Globie, G-L-O-B-I-E, and they're now making these infrared kennels for dogs where your dog can do infrared therapy. We just got one of those. Our dogs don't seem to like it very much, but then I looked at all the data on it, and I mean, as far as dog health, dog's circadian rhythm, even fighting cancer risk, things like that, it seems to be a pretty, pretty good pick.

And then, honestly, I think that if you're raising purebred dogs, they're beautiful. We had Rhodesian Ridgebacks and boxers, purebreds for a while, but they die early because they're genetically susceptible to more disease. So now, we go with Mutts, like adopted dogs, and they seem super hardy. They're just as friendly. So, I would say if you can adopt a dog because they're probably going to die anyways if you don't adopt them, so yeah, I would adopt a dog, try a little infrared light, bring them a raw food diet. Talk to my wife. She takes care of the dogs more than I do.

Female Speaker:  The next question is, how long should pre-menopausal women fast?

Ben:  So, all of the pre-menopausal women who I coach or who I write nutrition plans for, they don't fast longer than 12 hours on a daily basis. Because a lot of times the advice that women are given is the same advice as men are given, which is hooey like basically long fast longer than 12 hours downregulate hormone called kisspeptin in females, which is responsible for the natural follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone release that you'd want for optimized fertility, and bone density, et cetera. So, along regular 12-plus hour fast for women is not a good idea. But then, of course, you got to fast longer than 16 hours to get a lot of the cellular autophagy and longevity benefits. So, what I do when I'm writing on a meal plan and work with one of my female clients is they do 10- to 12-hour daily intermittent fast, and then they have a nice luxurious breakfast.

A lot of the women I work with, they're in a Weston A. Price's diet like lots of fermented foods and fats, nutrient-dense and calorie-dense foods, and fermented dairy, and organ meats, and they feel really good on that and their fertility is great. But then, what I do is anywhere from two to four times a month, I have them do a 24-hour dinner time to dinner time fast. So, they're still getting small periods of cellular autophagy throughout the month without constantly sending their body that kind of like starvation fertility downregulation signal. I just made that up. That wasn't based on research or anything. Well, I want them to get a couple of those 16-plus hour periods in, but I know every woman I've worked with this pre-menopausal doesn't do well with doing that regularly. So, I have them do 10- to 12-hour daily intermittent fast and then the 24-hour one to four times a month.

And then, all my clients, male and female, they do quarterly four to five-day cleanup periods. Meaning, they'll either do a bone broth fast or vegetable juice fast, or a ProLon type of fasting-mimicking diet or an ayurvedic fast like a kitchari cleanse or something like that. And, that's just a quarterly cleanup.

Female Speaker:  And, second part to that question was, do you time the longer fasts with their menstrual cycles?

Ben:  Oh, that's a good question. No, I don't get that scientific. I don't really time it based on the cycle. But, there are certain periods where based on the levels of estrogen you're going to be more receptive to higher levels of fat burning and be able to go through a fast a little bit easier. But, I'm going to go outside my zone talking about that, so I won't.

Female Speaker:  And, our last question is, what is the best kind of training for longevity?

Ben:  I used to be obviously as Joe alluded to in the morning circle today, I was the Spartan guy, Iron Man guy, the functional fitness, CrossFit-esque type of workouts, even though I was never a CrossFitter because I couldn't find the neon colored knee high compression socks anywhere. But anyways, the best form of strength training in my opinion for staving off sarcopenia with age is the kind that you can keep coming back to over and over and over again without injuring yourself. And so, I think that there's three forms of training that work amazingly for this.

Number one is super slow training. So, there are books like “Body By Science” by Dr. Doug McGuff, my book “Boundless,” there's a whole chapter and it's all just how to exercise in terms of an anti-aging longevity-based program, and it's all super slow training. Extremely controlled, typically one single set to failure, sometimes two or three for the gym junkies out there who for like the gym is their happy place. And, I understand some people want to spend a little more time in the gym sometime. Okay, do two or three sets is fine. But basically, super slow training like 15 to 30 seconds up 15 to 30 seconds down with something like chest press, row, shoulder press, pull down, squat, deadlift modality. And, that's very similar how I train. So, three days a week I do extremely super slow single set-to-failure training. 

There are devices like the ARX that you can use for this. There are band systems like the like X3 bar that you can use for this. You can do it with free weights. You can do it with the Nautilus machines at a gym, but you're not exercising like an athlete, you're instead exercising in a very slow, predictable, controlled fashion.

Now, of course, you're going to miss out on the fast-twitch muscle fibers that also tend to go away as you age. So, for that, since these super slow sessions only take 15 to 25 minutes, I'll have people do two to three additional sessions that are either kettlebell but typically lighter kettlebell or calisthenic, body weight type of stuff that's quick and explosive, the classic New York Times 7-minute workout where it's pushups and squats down for 30 seconds on, 15 seconds off, just like these triggering sessions throughout the week that are more explosive. 

And so, you got super slow training a few times a week, explosive body weight or lightweight or kettlebell style training a few times a week. And then, typically when folks are traveling, I just have them pack some BFR bands because blood flow restriction training is fantastic in terms of low impact, low risk of injury weight to maintain muscle. And, a lot of people who I'm working with, they're working at a hotel gyms or things like that when they're traveling, so I just have to do the BFR band workouts in their hotel room. So, it's BFR band on the road and lots of walking on the road. At home, it's super slow training with calisthenic or kettlebell, explosive training, and lots of walking. And then, besides that, just playing a little sports every now and again, like it's very, very simple. But, that's the type of program I'll write out for somebody else who I'm working with who's just like, “Hey, I don't care about being a professional basketball player or CrossFit or whatever, I just want to be able to come back week after week after week and stay fit.”

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I feel fortunate to be invited to many, many events in the health and wellness industry…

…but honestly, lately I haven't felt all that motivated to go to most of them.

This new reluctance to get on a plane (or a train, or an automobile) doesn't have anything to do with the events themselves. Most of them offer informative, interesting content and the chance to spend time with like-minded health-seekers. But during the pandemic, my travel stopped entirely, and that time at home felt like a real gift. Now that events are back up and running, I'm being ultra-choosy about what's worth taking away from my family time.

There is one event, though, that is well, well worth the travel. It's called RUNGA, and it's the most uplifting, rejuvenating, and empowering event I've ever attended. RUNGA is held twice a year for three days, and I'm a regular. Earlier this month, I flew down to Austin, Texas for RUNGA, and I was once again blown away by the experience.

Only fifty guests are invited to the beautiful, secluded property, which gives RUNGA an intimacy that I've never felt at other events. The people who go have a wide range of backgrounds, but what they share is their dedication to optimal health.

Each day, we woke up to a delicious, nourishing organic breakfast, then spent the days engaged in activities like yoga and meditation, oxygen treatments, IVs, biohacking, cooking workshops, and much, much more. The special dinners in the evening were just as delicious and nourishing as the breakfasts (with the added bonus of organic wine from my favorite Dry Farm Wines). The evenings were also a time for expert panels, and I was fortunate to not only be able to listen and learn, but to be on two panels myself.

The first was a panel called “State of Mind,” during which we talked about spirituality, psychedelics, smart drug stacks, and general mindstate shifting using plant medicines, technologies, breath, and other cutting-edge, scientific, and natural methods to alter one's state of mind. My co-panelists were Tero Isokauppila from Four Sigmatic, Joseph Anew from the Intuitive Warrior podcast (and the creator of RUNGA), and my friend Dr. John Lieurance of MitoZen. John and Joseph have been on my show for multiple episodes (listed below), so it was really cool to have a chance to talk to them both at once.

While at RUNGA, I also hosted a free-bag Q&A, which included questions on everything from biohacking a healthy home to how I manage my schedule and family/work obligations, water filtration, EMFs, regrowing cartilage and treating joint injuries, and much more (even the best time to eat dinner).

I recorded both the panel and the Q&A, so there's a huge range of topics covered in this one episode – you may even need to listen more than once! And if you're interested in joining me for the next RUNGA event that is set to be held in April 2023 in Austin, Texas, you can apply here. I'd love to meet you in person.

During our discussion, you'll discover:

-Joseph Anew introduces the RUNGA State of Mind panel…09:30 

  • Dr. John Lieurance of MitoZen
  • Ben Greenfield
  • Tero Isokauppila of Four Sigmatic
  • State of Mind panel categories
    1. Free Medicine – how to control and alter state of mind, not requiring anything be consumed or any technology be utilized
    2. Hacks to alter the state of mind or put us in a specific state of mind
    3. Cutting-edge technologies used to control state of mind

-Where does your mind go when you hear the term free medicine, in terms of state of mind?…10:27


  • Not consuming anything to shift your state of consciousness
  • Breathwork
  • Endorphin release from heat
  • Nervous system reset from cold
  • Combine heat and cold and breathwork
  • Hard things can shift your state of mind (difficult workout)
  • Relationships, friendships, laughter, social outing, sex
  • People turning to altered states of consciousness achieved through drugs or plant medicines or exogenous compounds must have boring lifestyles
  • Dopamine reset – finding yourself constantly craving television shows, snacks, sugar, and candy, your phone, and whatnot, a lot of times, that's indicative that you need to find other ways to trigger dopamine


  • Fasting – you can achieve amazing levels of clarity, become cleaner
  • Fast Track Fast fasting protocol   
  • Fasting is about signaling; we have these rhythms that are tied to the earth
  • Gut digestion has movement every 3 seconds; constipation if 2 seconds, diarrhea if 4 seconds
  • Rhythm of feast/famine


  • Evolutionary response to certain triggers that existed for a really long time which shifted our mental space – these are what I consider “free”
  • There is a shift, an anchor; we are good at adjusting our behavior
  • If you want to change your state, you have to get uncomfortable and break the pattern
  • Finding and incorporating elements into your life
    • Wind
    • Fire
    • Earth
    • Water
  • Rule of 3
    • 3 weeks without food
    • 3 days without water
    • 3 minutes without air
    • But you can barely go 3 seconds without a thought
  • Be mindful of how much you're consuming something – compounds over time
  • Build up slowly from nutrition to hydration to fasting to breath to mind/spirit

-How do ritual and routine play into our ability to balance life with biohacks?…19:50


  • Research by the Heart Math Institute shows the heart responding before an image is projected 
  • The idea that there's an internal guidance system that knows before you know, has no boundary of time and space
  • Have a good coach; get a teacher but feel what is right for you


  • Scheduling 
    • Sauna 4-5x a week, 20-30 minutes
    • Cold pool afterward
    • Evenings, play a musical instrument
    • 6:00 am devotional
    • 7:30 am family meditation for 10 to 15 minutes
    • Make a meal together
  • A lot of these are intuitive – go out and sprinkle this stuff in throughout the day, and you feel great


  • Having positive anchors – find joy in the middle of doing these exhilarating activities, find a deeper reason, find the “why”


  • Not everything is going to give you immediately the same result, and that doesn't mean that they're less valuable, but there are habits that are easier and or more effective
  • If what needs to be done is stacked up, do the ones first that will give you a faster response 
  • Habit stacking is valuable and worth doing as long as it is fun
  • Not having a routine is the routine
  • Veer away from having routines – make it fun and playful 


  • Routine to create the habit, then switch to intuition as soon as possible

-What are substances that can help keep us in a desired mental state or bring us into it?…27:01


  • Breathwork – its challenges and benefits
  • Melatonin and its importance


  • Stacking Paraxanthine with the peptide Tesofensine 
  • Nootopia Dopa Drops for dopamine, increases motivation 
  • Microdosing with psilocybin or LSA for creativity and focus 



  • Baselines like sunrise and sunset and spending time with people you care about are critical
  • Cacao and theobromine and vasodilators and spices like cayenne
  • Mucuna 
  • Green tea 
  • Kava 
  • Psilocybin mushrooms
  • Most people misunderstand microdosing, it is supposed to be a sub-perception experience by its original definition
  • Herbalism and finding ways to test psychoactive and nonpsychoactive plants and rotating them  
  • There are a lot of mental benefits from common spices that people don’t realize 

-For a long day at work, what biohacking devices should you use?…37:12 


  • Apollo for vibratory sensation 
  • Hapbee for magnetic stimulation
  • Vielight for photobiomodulation 



  • Nail beds for acupressure 
  • Sauna is a worthy investment
  • Hydration: water and salt – we don't drink enough, don't take enough salt, and eat too much
  • Fasting, water, salt, and sleeping is a good remedy when sick 


-Question: How do you balance being an online influencer and giving things like social media the attention it needs without getting sucked into that world?…51:33 

  • The One Thing by Gary Keller
  • God has made you good at that unique skill set that you were born with, and then figure out a way to outsource and delegate all the other stuff to someone else
  • Built a team that does as much as possible for me and then kind of like handcuffed myself from being able to manage a lot of it by just not knowing how to even log into most of my accounts or anything like that
  • Just do what you do best 
  • Operate in a spirit of abundance
  • Scarcity mindset – we don't want to pay somebody else to do it for us 
  • The 4-Hour Workweek by Tim Ferris

-Question: Key things you've been looking for in your search for a healthy home?…54:41

-Question: How to mitigate the information and circadian rhythm issues if you don't have a traditional work schedule?…1:01:48

-Question: When is the best time to eat dinner, especially if you cannot eat super early?…1:06:09

-Question: What's going on with Ben's knees?…1:09:01

-Question: What is a good diet for dogs?…1:11:19

  • BARF (Biologically Appropriate Raw Food or Bones And Raw Food) diet for pets
  • BARF's World

-Question: How long should pre-menopausal women fast?…1:12:51

  • Do not fast longer than 10-12 hours
  • 2-4 times/month, 24-hr dinnertime to dinnertime fast
  • Quarterly: 4-5 day clean-up period

-Question: What is the best kind of training for longevity?…1:15:17

-And much more…

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